Fw: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too
Hi David - and List: I am pleased to know that you have enjoyed the info on my email. I had to laught about that meteorite named after me bit! I take your kind remark as a compliment to my surname! As you (and List) know, meteorites a not named after people but after a geographical location (other than the NWA...+Nº) related to their site of fall/discovery. Perhaps the closest that we can get to, named after PEOPLE, is to some Group Classes: Diogenites, named after the 5th Century BC Greek Philosopher Diogenes of Apollonia Pallasites, named after the German naturalist/astronomer Peter Pallas (of the 18th Century) Howardites, named after a British chemist, Edward Howard (also of the 18th Century) There might be other instances that I might not be aware of? However, I can proudly say that I have my surname given to a space rock that is so large that it won't fit in my meteorite show case, or in anyone's show case, or even in a very large room! Please, check the I.A.U. Circular Nº 3259 (1978 Sept 05) - there are other Circ. related to this object. I share it with a Japanese amateur astronomer, Toshio Haneda (unfortunately he died some 12 years ago). As per the I.A.U. Nomenclature, it was first known as P/Haneda-Campos 1978j and later it became 1978XX and now it is officialy known as D/1978 R1 Haneda-Campos. We both discovered it independently and it has a P~ 6.5 years. I am a Portuguese, born in Mozambique (previously known as Port. East Africa), where I grew up and lived there for many years; then I left for Durban, South Africa, where I made that comet discovery on Sept 1st 1978. I lived in Durban during 20 years, my wife Charmaine and our 3 kids (grown up now), were born there. It's a great country. The D stands for Disappeared (lost) - but that's is thanks to some of the comet trackers of that time, who did let it slip away!! In theory, it should make another return this coming January/2004 around the Sun; it's actual, published calculated ephemerids differ quite a bit, between American and Japanese comet experts! I wonder what might be it's true size? Some 6 x 4 kms? It won't fit in my room! LOL! Regards to you all. José Campos - Original Message - From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too Dear Jose; Very interesting post! I really enjoyed it. Wish I had a meteorite named after me! :-) Best, Dave Freeman Jose Campos wrote: Hi Mike Farmer, Atul Kumar and List, First of all, many thanks to M.F. for his very interesting emails on India and his adventures in meteorite-chasing there. I am pleased to know that he has a fragment already and that, probably against all odds, burocracy, etc, he has managed to examine and photograph the pieces in the hands of the local authorities, well done!! His very brief description of that part of India - a beautiful country, I think, - brought me memories (excluding the car traffic parts), of Kipling's KIM that I read many years ago! He also mentioned the houses without electricity: Could it be that, in the process of the meteorite having hit a thatched house, the reported fire might have be caused by some oil lamp being knocked down by the impact? On another subject: Atul mentions the word Arribida as being Spanish: This word (the correct spelling is arribada or arriba) exists in both the Portuguese and Spanish languages and most probably it is rather of Portuguese origin as Portugal's occupation and influence on some areas of India lasted almost 500 years (untill 1961 to me more exact); in fact, to this day, there is still large Indian comunities of Portuguese extraction in Goa, Damão and Diu, who speak excellent Portuguese and have Port. surnames. Yes, arribada means arrival - in fact, in the 15th Century Portuguese language, it was (and still is) a NAUTICAL term, meaning to enter a sailing ship in a harbour other than it's destiny, as a means to avoid/escape a sea storm. During the golden age of the Port. sea-discoveries, expansion and trade, many Port. words were adopted/used (often in a corrupted way) by people from several other countries in Asia and elsewhere. For instance, during the height of the Port. commercial trade in Asia during the 16th Century, Port. traders carried in their ships a specially made box where they put the coin money in; So, whenever they wanted payment to be made in coins rather than in other objects, they insisted in a payment to pôr em CAIXA (to put in the BOX) - and to this day, the Port. word CAIXA became CASH (and therefore, caixeiro = cashiers), used worldwide through the English language. So much about meteorites, India and arribada! That's explains the diversity of cultures and meteorite people that makes this List (whenever there is no ugly arguments),
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too
Hello Nancy ! (all the way from across the other side of the world!!!) Many thanks for your kind words. It's interesting to see how the main subject of this List (meteorites), can in turn, draw people from different nationalites and backgrounds and with other interests; besides, the human factor displayed through so many e-mails, describing family ties, friendships, travelling, expertise, culture, arguments, lies, hate, jealousy, hapiness, satisfaction, perceptions, professionalism, science, etc., you name it - is what makes this List tick. Best wishes, José Campos Cacém, Portugal - Original Message - From: none none [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too Thanks for your interesting comments on word origins and meanings. This list has been an endless source of interesting information and not only about meteorites and space! I am so happy that it gets such a wide variety of contributions from the varied membership! Nancy Strand Petersburg (Ask me about wild Alaska salmon!), Alaska Original Message Follows From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Atul Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:17:01 +0100 Hi Mike Farmer, Atul Kumar and List, First of all, many thanks to M.F. for his very interesting emails on India and his adventures in meteorite-chasing there. I am pleased to know that he has a fragment already and that, probably against all odds, burocracy, etc, he has managed to examine and photograph the pieces in the hands of the local authorities, well done!! His very brief description of that part of India - a beautiful country, I think, - brought me memories (excluding the car traffic parts), of Kipling's KIM that I read many years ago! He also mentioned the houses without electricity: Could it be that, in the process of the meteorite having hit a thatched house, the reported fire might have be caused by some oil lamp being knocked down by the impact? On another subject: Atul mentions the word Arribida as being Spanish: This word (the correct spelling is arribada or arriba) exists in both the Portuguese and Spanish languages and most probably it is rather of Portuguese origin as Portugal's occupation and influence on some areas of India lasted almost 500 years (untill 1961 to me more exact); in fact, to this day, there is still large Indian comunities of Portuguese extraction in Goa, Damão and Diu, who speak excellent Portuguese and have Port. surnames. Yes, arribada means arrival - in fact, in the 15th Century Portuguese language, it was (and still is) a NAUTICAL term, meaning to enter a sailing ship in a harbour other than it's destiny, as a means to avoid/escape a sea storm. During the golden age of the Port. sea-discoveries, expansion and trade, many Port. words were adopted/used (often in a corrupted way) by people from several other countries in Asia and elsewhere. For instance, during the height of the Port. commercial trade in Asia during the 16th Century, Port. traders carried in their ships a specially made box where they put the coin money in; So, whenever they wanted payment to be made in coins rather than in other objects, they insisted in a payment to pôr em CAIXA (to put in the BOX) - and to this day, the Port. word CAIXA became CASH (and therefore, caixeiro = cashiers), used worldwide through the English language. So much about meteorites, India and arribada! That's explains the diversity of cultures and meteorite people that makes this List (whenever there is no ugly arguments), so interesting. Keep up the good work and good luck, Mike, and please keep that meteorite fragment plus that CASH of yours in a safe place! Cheers! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Atul Kumar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too Dear All- and Mike Farmer While poor people of the area have just had their thached (straw) roofs blow off their Mud houses ,and their mud houses are turning into more mud,and people are dying and even more will die from the diseases to come,we get to hear about the carnage ,and learn about their misery sitting at our computers. Into this mayhem that is India arrives one Foreigner(as they are called) in 2 cars/jeeps with a purpose.He wants the rocks that fell from the sky. Mike travels exactly half way around the world for meteorites,and ends up with a flood,starvation,and disease.Not to mention he is among people who have never seen a refrigerator- and would not know what to do with it even if they did see one. They have never known electricity- unless
[meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too
Dear All- and Mike Farmer While poor people of the area have just had their thached (straw) roofs blow off their Mud houses ,and their mud houses are turning into more mud,and people are dying and even more will die from the diseases to come,we get to hear about the carnage ,and learn about their misery sitting at our computers. Into this mayhem that is India arrives one Foreigner(as they are called) in 2 cars/jeeps with a purpose.He wants the rocks that fell from the sky. Mike travels exactly half way around the world for meteorites,and ends up with a flood,starvation,and disease.Not to mention he is among people who have never seen a refrigerator- and would not know what to do with it even if they did see one. They have neverknown electricity- unless they travel to town. Maybe he can do something to help the poor people there,even if they dont have METEORITES TO BARTER FOR FOOD. COWS- They are a part of the household- almost a member of the family- like a pet dog is- sort of- They wander during the day looking for foliage,and in the evening come back home - to be milked.The reason they are on the road in Mikes way is because they are lost- or decide they dont want to sit in the flooded area today.They are trying to stay dry, or maybe their way home is blocked by water. Milk is the major source of protien and fat for most of India.The milk extracted is usually gone fast -They dont need refrigerators- there are more mouths in the household than the cow can fill. ROADS Mikes description of the road travel left out this- As the only decent part of the road is the middle every vehicle travels in the middle of the road.There is nothing dividing oncoming traffic from your vehicle. When you see a vehicle coming- you have to make a quick decision whether you want to get off the road or if you want to get him off the road or if you want to see if he wants to play the who,s going to get off last game. The larger (read TATA) usually wins the middle ground. I musttell youabout the TATA tramplers - (These are 7 ton trucks loaded with 20 -30 tons of freight- i call them Tramplers) hopelessly overloaded ,usually leaning to one side,engines over-revving under the load,and they do trample everthing in their path. Travelling in rural Indiacan be great fun.I go as often as i can,doing volunteer Wildlife work while i am there. INDIAN HOSPITALITY If there is one bed in the home- the guest sleeps in it- the rest on the floor. If there is one meal- for the whole family to share- the guest gets it. It is very very humbling to learn that there is so much we can learn from these poor people. The tone of mikes email seems to suggest he has finally found what enthalls people of the world with India.There is so much to love - and so much to dislike. It is a land of paradoxes. His emails exude a sense of resigned acceptance about the things he is seeing.makes me homesick just reading his emails. Anyway my contact reports that Recovery efforts have been dismal.The water is everywhere as the mini cyclone from last week brought the ocean to the peoples doorstep in more ways than one. MIKE- Ask about when the Arribida is- Millions of Indian Sea Going turtles come to the very beaches you are near to lay their eggs and then even more millions hatch and go back to the sea to continue the cycle that has continued from times immemorial .It is a sight of a lifetime. The turtles that hatch here- will only come back to the very beach they were born - in a few years to lay their eggs.Radio telemetry has established this recently. And it took us 2000 AD yrs to discover GPS.The turtles have us beat by a few million years. PS- the word Arrabida wascoined by the spanish inhabitants of India-I think it means the arrival. Regards Atul kumar
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too
Hi Mike Farmer, Atul Kumar and List, First of all, many thanks to M.F. for his very interesting emails on India and his "adventures" in meteorite-chasing there. I am pleased to know that he has a fragment already and that, probably against all odds, burocracy, etc, he has managed to examine and photograph thepieces in the hands of the local authorities, well done!! His very brief description of that part of India - a beautiful country, I think, - brought me memories (excluding the car traffic parts), of Kipling's "KIM" that Iread many years ago! He also mentioned the houses without electricity: Could it be that, in the process of the meteorite having hit a thatched house, the reported fire might have be caused by some oil lamp being knocked down by the impact? On another subject: Atul mentions the word "Arribida" as being Spanish:This word (the correct spelling is "arribada" or "arriba") exists in both the Portuguese and Spanish languages and most probably it is rather of Portuguese origin as Portugal's occupation and influence on some areas of India lasted almost 500 years (untill 1961 to me more exact); in fact, to this day, there is still large Indian comunities of Portuguese extraction in Goa, Damão and Diu, who speak excellent Portuguese and have Port. surnames.Yes,"arribada" means "arrival" - in fact, in the 15th Century Portuguese language, it was (and still is) a NAUTICAL term, meaning "to enter a sailing ship in a harbour other than it's destiny, as a means to avoid/escape aseastorm". During the golden age of the Port. sea-discoveries, expansionand trade, many Port. wordswere adopted/used (often in a corrupted way) bypeople from several other countries in Asia and elsewhere. For instance, during the height of the Port. commercial trade in Asia during the16th Century, Port. traders carried in their ships aspecially made boxwhere theyput the coin money in; So, whenever they wanted payment to be made in coins rather than in other objects, they insisted in a payment to "pôr em CAIXA" (to putin the BOX) - and to this day, thePort. word CAIXA became CASH (and therefore, caixeiro = cashiers), used worldwide through the English language. So much about meteorites, India and arribada! That's explains the "diversity" of cultures and meteoritepeople that makes this List (whenever there is no ugly arguments), so interesting. Keep up the good work and good luck, Mike, and please keep that meteorite fragment plus that CASH of yours in a safe place!Cheers! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Atul Kumar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too Dear All- and Mike Farmer While poor people of the area have just had their thached (straw) roofs blow off their Mud houses ,and their mud houses are turning into more mud,and people are dying and even more will die from the diseases to come,we get to hear about the carnage ,and learn about their misery sitting at our computers. Into this mayhem that is India arrives one Foreigner(as they are called) in 2 cars/jeeps with a purpose.He wants the rocks that fell from the sky. Mike travels exactly half way around the world for meteorites,and ends up with a flood,starvation,and disease.Not to mention he is among people who have never seen a refrigerator- and would not know what to do with it even if they did see one. They have neverknown electricity- unless they travel to town. Maybe he can do something to help the poor people there,even if they dont have METEORITES TO BARTER FOR FOOD. COWS- They are a part of the household- almost a member of the family- like a pet dog is- sort of- They wander during the day looking for foliage,and in the evening come back home - to be milked.The reason they are on the road in Mikes way is because they are lost- or decide they dont want to sit in the flooded area today.They are trying to stay dry, or maybe their way home is blocked by water. Milk is the major source of protien and fat for most of India.The milk extracted is usually gone fast -They dont need refrigerators- there are more mouths in the household than the cow can fill. ROADS Mikes description of the road travel left out this- As the only decent part of the road is the middle every vehicle travels in the middle of the road.There is nothing dividing oncoming traffic from your vehicle. When you see a vehicle coming- you have to make a quick decision whether you want to get off the road or if you want to get him off the road or if you want to see if he wants to play the who,s going to get off last game. The larger (read TATA) usually wins the middle ground. I musttell youabout the TATA tramplers - (These are 7 ton trucks loaded with 20 -30 tons of freight- i call them
