Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

John,

Bingo...

  The fact is, the only specimen of a meteorite that can be said to be 
Authentic is that actual specimen that is tested in that 
laboratory.
Every other specimen from said main mass or similar stones from a strewn field 
are technically "knockoffs", therein lies the trust 
of provenance,
certificates, labels, laboratory, seller. And yes, occasionally, even the most 
esteemed classifiers have had to Update certain 
previous classifications.
Provenance, trust & knowledge is the real ticket. Yep, pretty much a non-issue.

Things were much more trustworthy (BeB) - before eBay.

.---  .-..  ---  ..-  -

- Original Message - 
From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY


Thought I'd chime in...

In my humble opinion, this is a non-issue.

In the world of collectibles such as meteorites determining the authenticity of 
a specimen occurs in one of three ways:
1) You know enough about a specimen yourself to decide on your own that it is 
what someone says it is.
2) You know enough about the person (or company) you are buying from to trust 
that it is what someone says it is.
3) You trade with a noted institution and get exactly what they say it is.

Whether or not there is a larger organization that is "authorized" to give 
certifications on a specimen is meaningless.
a) Not every specimen can be certified by that organization. Nor should they 
be. They would be overwhelmed with specimens, and as 
we all know the definitive methods of testing are nearly all destructive in 
nature.
b) Even when such organizations do exist, they are frequently fallible, 
sometimes corrupt, and often disagree with one another if 
there is more than one organization issuing certifications.

Some prime examples of this are from the world of genuine Japanese sword 
collecting, also called Nihonto collecting.
i) The most highly respected shinsa (judgement of authenticity for a sword) 
organization in Japan is called the NBTHK. They went 
through a significant scandal in the 1970's when antique swords with gimei 
(fake) signatures, where certified as zaimei (genuine) 
signatures. This occurred for various reasons, the most crucial of which was 
bribery. All swords certified during that era had to 
subsequently be re-certified under the new leadership and scholarship of the 
organization, and a huge number of those swords were 
found to have fake signatures.
ii) Another respected organization that performs shinsa is called the NTHK. I 
have personally submitted a sword for NTHK shinsa and 
had it approved as zaimei, only to submit it again to the NBTHK and see them 
call the signature gimei. In other words, not even the 
most respected scholars in a field of study always agree.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295



Sent using the mobile mail app

On 7/27/22 at 2:52 AM, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I am thinking that perhaps there are
> interpretative rules that may vary from country
> to country. At least here in Italy and a little
> more generally in Europe, a certificate is an
> important document and as such its value can only
> be given if it is drawn up by a person or body
> legally responsible for doing so. If everyone
> could draw up any certificate on their own, it
> certainly would no longer have the same value.
> In the specific case you write "In this case the
> seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the
> meteorite he is selling." In this case the
> document cannot define a certificate but rather a
> self-certification or rather a self-declaration,
> which are very different things.
>
>
>
> At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
> >I guess I am just not understanding how the word
> >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I
> >am not sure where the text you copied came from
> >or how it relates, but the word certificate is
> >appropriate when a specific entity is formallyÂ
> >stating something.  In this case, the seller is
> >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite
> >they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The
> >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of
> >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask
> >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about
> >and don't see anything wrong with the
> >term.  They clearly know that it is the seller,
> >and not some other entity, making the claim that
> >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of
> >confusion of what it means.  Regarding the
> >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller,
> >times change.  It could be that at one point
> >people might have

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Thought I'd chime in...

In my humble opinion, this is a non-issue.

In the world of collectibles such as meteorites determining the authenticity of 
a specimen occurs in one of three ways:
1) You know enough about a specimen yourself to decide on your own that it is 
what someone says it is.
2) You know enough about the person (or company) you are buying from to trust 
that it is what someone says it is.
3) You trade with a noted institution and get exactly what they say it is. 

Whether or not there is a larger organization that is "authorized" to give 
certifications on a specimen is meaningless.
a) Not every specimen can be certified by that organization. Nor should they 
be. They would be overwhelmed with specimens, and as we all know the definitive 
methods of testing are nearly all destructive in nature. 
b) Even when such organizations do exist, they are frequently fallible, 
sometimes corrupt, and often disagree with one another if there is more than 
one organization issuing certifications. 

Some prime examples of this are from the world of genuine Japanese sword 
collecting, also called Nihonto collecting.
i) The most highly respected shinsa (judgement of authenticity for a sword) 
organization in Japan is called the NBTHK. They went through a significant 
scandal in the 1970's when antique swords with gimei (fake) signatures, where 
certified as zaimei (genuine) signatures. This occurred for various reasons, 
the most crucial of which was bribery. All swords certified during that era had 
to subsequently be re-certified under the new leadership and scholarship of the 
organization, and a huge number of those swords were found to have fake 
signatures.
ii) Another respected organization that performs shinsa is called the NTHK. I 
have personally submitted a sword for NTHK shinsa and had it approved as 
zaimei, only to submit it again to the NBTHK and see them call the signature 
gimei. In other words, not even the most respected scholars in a field of study 
always agree.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295



Sent using the mobile mail app

On 7/27/22 at 2:52 AM, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I am thinking that perhaps there are 
> interpretative rules that may vary from country 
> to country. At least here in Italy and a little 
> more generally in Europe, a certificate is an 
> important document and as such its value can only 
> be given if it is drawn up by a person or body 
> legally responsible for doing so. If everyone 
> could draw up any certificate on their own, it 
> certainly would no longer have the same value.
> In the specific case you write "In this case the 
> seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the 
> meteorite he is selling." In this case the 
> document cannot define a certificate but rather a 
> self-certification or rather a self-declaration, 
> which are very different things.
> 
> 
> 
> At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
> >I guess I am just not understanding how the word 
> >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I 
> >am not sure where the text you copied came from 
> >or how it relates, but the word certificate is 
> >appropriate when a specific entity is formally 
> >stating something.  In this case, the seller is 
> >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite 
> >they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The 
> >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of 
> >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask 
> >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about 
> >and don't see anything wrong with the 
> >term.  They clearly know that it is the seller, 
> >and not some other entity, making the claim that 
> >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of 
> >confusion of what it means.  Regarding the 
> >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller, 
> >times change.  It could be that at one point 
> >people might have found the term weird, but for 
> >new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of 
> >a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said 
> >"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that 
> >would indicate to them a lack of 
> >seriousness.  The difference is that the term 
> >"label" doesn't imply that the seller is 
> >vouching for the authenticity of something -- 
> >and although it is true the owner would be 
> >responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for 
> >it or not, there is really no downside to 
> >vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some 
> >piece of mind to have a document providing 
> >provenance in which the seller stated that the 
> >item was genuine.  But if you don't like the 
> >term certificate of authenticity, don't use it 
> >on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that 
> >there is anything incorrect or dishonest or 
> >unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally.Â
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri 
> >via Meteorite-list 
> 

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Mark Lyon via Meteorite-list]

That makes sense.  Maybe it is an American thing.  I am used to the word
certificate being used much more loosely.  There are certificates of
ownership, certificates of completion,, certificates of awards, and
certificates of many other things.  It is just a word used to mean that the
document (the certificate) is formally stating that some specific entity is
acknowledging something as being the case. With a COA, I see it as just
stating that the entity (the seller) is formally acknowledging the
authenticity of the item.  But anyway I think people are probably tired of
the discussion by now.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:52 AM Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I am thinking that perhaps there are
> interpretative rules that may vary from country
> to country. At least here in Italy and a little
> more generally in Europe, a certificate is an
> important document and as such its value can only
> be given if it is drawn up by a person or body
> legally responsible for doing so. If everyone
> could draw up any certificate on their own, it
> certainly would no longer have the same value.
> In the specific case you write "In this case the
> seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the
> meteorite he is selling." In this case the
> document cannot define a certificate but rather a
> self-certification or rather a self-declaration,
> which are very different things.
>
>
>
> At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
> >I guess I am just not understanding how the word
> >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I
> >am not sure where the text you copied came from
> >or how it relates, but the word certificate is
> >appropriate when a specific entity is formallyÂ
> >stating something.  In this case, the seller is
> >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite
> >they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The
> >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of
> >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask
> >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about
> >and don't see anything wrong with the
> >term.  They clearly know that it is the seller,
> >and not some other entity, making the claim that
> >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of
> >confusion of what it means.  Regarding the
> >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller,
> >times change.  It could be that at one point
> >people might have found the term weird, but for
> >new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of
> >a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said
> >"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that
> >would indicate to them a lack of
> >seriousness.  The difference is that the term
> >"label" doesn't imply that the seller is
> >vouching for the authenticity of something --
> >and although it is true the owner would be
> >responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for
> >it or not, there is really no downside to
> >vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some
> >piece of mind to have a document providing
> >provenance in which the seller stated that the
> >item was genuine.  But if you don't like the
> >term certificate of authenticity, don't use it
> >on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that
> >there is anything incorrect or dishonest or
> >unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you
> personally.Â
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri
> >via Meteorite-list
> ><
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >Dear friends,
> >
> >I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot
> >misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can
> >lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.
> >
> >..
> >Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO† :
> >
> >   In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è
> >un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto
> >ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la
> >certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto,
> >terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato,
> >indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO
> >e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)
> >Â  Â
> >
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato
> >
> >
> >Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
> >Â  Â  In summary, it can be said that the
> >certificate is a certificate of conformity
> >(issued with respect to a specified
> >specification, there is no generic certification)
> >issued by a subject, third party and authorized
> >(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by
> >law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast
> antivirus.
> >https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> >
> >__
> >Meteorite-list mailing list
> 

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Mark Lyon via Meteorite-list]

I guess I am just not understanding how the word "certificate' is
misrepresenting anything.  I am not sure where the text you copied came
from or how it relates, but the word certificate is appropriate when a
specific entity is formally stating something.  In this case, the seller is
"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite they are selling.  It is
correct usage.   The cards I use don't actually say "certificate of
authenticity" on them  but when customers ask about a "COA" I know what
they are talking about and don't see anything wrong with the term.  They
clearly know that it is the seller, and not some other entity, making the
claim that the item is authentic, so there is no problem of confusion of
what it means.  Regarding the issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the
seller, times change.  It could be that at one point people might have
found the term weird, but for new collectors a COA is just an assumed part
of a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said "I don't provide those,
but I have a label" that would indicate to them a lack of seriousness.  The
difference is that the term "label" doesn't imply that the seller is
vouching for the authenticity of something -- and although it is true the
owner would be responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for it or not,
there is really no downside to vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some
piece of mind to have a document providing provenance in which the seller
stated that the item was genuine.  But if you don't like the term
certificate of authenticity, don't use it on your cards -- I don't -- but
don't imply that there is anything incorrect or dishonest or unserious
about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

>
> Dear friends,
>
> I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot
> misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can
> lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.
>
> ..
> Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO” :
>
>In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è
> un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto
> ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la
> certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto,
> terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato,
> indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO
> e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)
>https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato
>
>
> Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
> In summary, it can be said that the
> certificate is a certificate of conformity
> (issued with respect to a specified
> specification, there is no generic certification)
> issued by a subject, third party and authorized
> (qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by
> law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast
> antivirus.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
> __
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Mark Lyon via Meteorite-list]

Alfredo,

You can call a certificate of authenticity a "marketing tool" but at the
same time I feel it is as good of a description as any of what it is, and
it does have a function.  When you say that "in many cases they are printed
by the seller" that, to me, is the main point of them. They are like
labels, but labels that emphasize the information of the prior owner, so
they form a provenance chain.  So I always make sure I keep the COAs from
my pieces, so that I never misplace them, so that I can trace the ownership
chain as far back as I can.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 7:40 AM Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Meteorite "Certificates of Authenticity" are mainly just a marketing tool
> to appeal to the general public, as in many cases they are printed by the
> seller, so they are no different from any other seller-issued "product
> guarantee", and are in fact unnecessary because, in most countries,
> commercial law obliges sellers to provide accurate labeling for their
> merchandise. So an honest seller will compensate a buyer for any
> identification mistakes with or without a "certificate", and a dishonest
> seller's "certificates" were worthless to begin with.
> So at least in my personal opinion what I need from the seller is a
> *label*, the more detailed the better, and using words like "Certificate
> of Authenticity" does not impress me at all nor add any extra value to a
> specimen.
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 at 09:24, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Some sell meteorites with a CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY document,
>> maybe I'm wrong, but a "CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY" document
>> shouldn't be issued only by a specific body that is legally
>> recognized? Such as GIA, IGI, HRD for diamonds? A simple WARRANTY
>> DOCUMENT is no longer appropriate for meteorites?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast
>> antivirus.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>>
>> __
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
> __
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mark,

I am thinking that perhaps there are 
interpretative rules that may vary from country 
to country. At least here in Italy and a little 
more generally in Europe, a certificate is an 
important document and as such its value can only 
be given if it is drawn up by a person or body 
legally responsible for doing so. If everyone 
could draw up any certificate on their own, it 
certainly would no longer have the same value.
In the specific case you write "In this case the 
seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the 
meteorite he is selling." In this case the 
document cannot define a certificate but rather a 
self-certification or rather a self-declaration, 
which are very different things.




At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
I guess I am just not understanding how the word 
"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I 
am not sure where the text you copied came from 
or how it relates, but the word certificate is 
appropriate when a specific entity is formally 
stating something.  In this case, the seller is 
"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite 
they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The 
cards I use don't actually say "certificate of 
authenticity" on them  but when customers ask 
about a "COA" I know what they are talking about 
and don't see anything wrong with the 
term.  They clearly know that it is the seller, 
and not some other entity, making the claim that 
the item is authentic, so there is no problem of 
confusion of what it means.  Regarding the 
issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller, 
times change.  It could be that at one point 
people might have found the term weird, but for 
new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of 
a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said 
"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that 
would indicate to them a lack of 
seriousness.  The difference is that the term 
"label" doesn't imply that the seller is 
vouching for the authenticity of something -- 
and although it is true the owner would be 
responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for 
it or not, there is really no downside to 
vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some 
piece of mind to have a document providing 
provenance in which the seller stated that the 
item was genuine.  But if you don't like the 
term certificate of authenticity, don't use it 
on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that 
there is anything incorrect or dishonest or 
unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally.Â




On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri 
via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
wrote:


Dear friends,

I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot
misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can
lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.

..
Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO” :

   In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è
un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto
ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la
certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto,
terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato,
indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO
e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)
   
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato



Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
    In summary, it can be said that the
certificate is a certificate of conformity
(issued with respect to a specified
specification, there is no generic certification)
issued by a subject, third party and authorized
(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by
law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)









--
Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



--
Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list]

Dear friends,

I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot 
misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can 
lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.


..
Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO” :

  In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è 
un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto 
ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la 
certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto, 
terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato, 
indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO 
e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)

  https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato


Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
   In summary, it can be said that the 
certificate is a certificate of conformity 
(issued with respect to a specified 
specification, there is no generic certification) 
issued by a subject, third party and authorized 
(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by 
law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)










--
Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Meteorite "Certificates of Authenticity" are mainly just a marketing tool
to appeal to the general public, as in many cases they are printed by the
seller, so they are no different from any other seller-issued "product
guarantee", and are in fact unnecessary because, in most countries,
commercial law obliges sellers to provide accurate labeling for their
merchandise. So an honest seller will compensate a buyer for any
identification mistakes with or without a "certificate", and a dishonest
seller's "certificates" were worthless to begin with.
So at least in my personal opinion what I need from the seller is a *label*,
the more detailed the better, and using words like "Certificate of
Authenticity" does not impress me at all nor add any extra value to a
specimen.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 at 09:24, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

>
> Some sell meteorites with a CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY document,
> maybe I'm wrong, but a "CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY" document
> shouldn't be issued only by a specific body that is legally
> recognized? Such as GIA, IGI, HRD for diamonds? A simple WARRANTY
> DOCUMENT is no longer appropriate for meteorites?
>
>
> --
> Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast
> antivirus.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
> __
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Mark Lyon via Meteorite-list]

There is no body that is legally recognized. Also, with all the diversity
in meteorites and the way the whole hobby/business is set up it would be
impossible for there to be a body like that and for the hobby to continue
in its current state.  Diamonds are an example of something that the
industry has created a value for that doesn't really exist -- meaning that
once you buy one it loses 80% of that value -- and probably not a good
thing for the meteorite community to model itself after.

On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 9:25 AM Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

>
> Some sell meteorites with a CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY document,
> maybe I'm wrong, but a "CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY" document
> shouldn't be issued only by a specific body that is legally
> recognized? Such as GIA, IGI, HRD for diamonds? A simple WARRANTY
> DOCUMENT is no longer appropriate for meteorites?
>
>
> --
> Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast
> antivirus.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
> __
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

__
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list