Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
In Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix at http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg113727.html Jim Wooddell wrote What has been a very cool experience is to be hunting in Superior Valley and have them do an on deck fly over while they try to catch the little target jets (t38s ???). Very cool time out! Jim. I did both archaeological surveys and later a couple of years of geological mapping within Fort Polk in Vernon Parish, Louisiana, and the Peason Ridge area just north of it. I loved seeing the A-10 Thunderbolt II Warthog flying, often on the deck, around. When they did target practice in the Peason Ridge area, the firing sounded like War of the Wells Martians were coming. It was cool experience. Also, there were eerily silent helicopters that flew by on maneuvers. The really scary incident was a strange aerial vehicle with two huge vertical lifting fans within it and completely silent that literally floated over us one day just above the tree tops . That vehicle was enough to give me nightmares about black helicopters. There was never a dull day working in Fort Polk and often weird stuff to observe. Of course, every day started with the morning visit to Range Control to find out where we could be and should not be. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around. We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners. Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with meteorite hunters? If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it, Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket watch. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote: LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and ridgelines that like to smack pilots that don't pay attention. They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list with just enough in the tanks to land with a couple of thousand pounds of reserve fuel. Like an over-tasked soccer mom with 1000 kids in the back of the mini-van, they are concentrating on much more serious things than people waling around on the desert floor :) --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:08 PM I've had jets fly low while meteorite hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought anything negative about it at all. GregS -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around. We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners. Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with meteorite hunters? If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it, Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket watch. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote: LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Adam, since the day I've lived in Tucson I've watched A10s and F 16s fly from the base here to go on maneuvers or bombing runs often over to Yuma, hundreds of miles from here. I hardly think a plane that can fly hundreds of miles needs to stay within 40 miles of a base. Amazing here in Tucson that so many people complain and cry about the noise of the planes overhead, mostly nasty cranky old people. They claim to love our country and freedom and the military but hate to be inconvenienced by them. Please kill this lame topic now. High gas prices and the price of tea in China both affect my meteorite hunting but it hardly needs to be discussed here. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:53 AM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around. We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners. Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with meteorite hunters? If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it, Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Yes let's end this thread on a high note; Great post Sonny! Regards, Art On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:39 AM, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around. We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners. Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with meteorite hunters? If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it, Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket watch. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote: LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix (delete now if bored)
Hi List, In defiance of a certain Listee who always seems to have something to say derogatorily whenever I post and the fact that my former mentor, Sonny, has made a contribution to this thread with a mistaken AFB identification, I will add a final antidote. I am a former oil burning aviator of no little experience who spent literally thousands of hours tearing around the sky over the deserts of the Southwest. Oblivious all the time as to the wealth of meteorites that were beneath my swept back wings. I can attest to the truth of Adam Hupe's account of being buzzed by the Navy (They fly F-18s, not the USAF) because a pilot will buzz anything he thinks he can startle, or impress.(There was a good looking young lady in Adam's group). My favorite prank, when I had the fuel and no wingman, was to see how low I could fly, at a sufficiently high mach number, over the nearest legal house of ill repute along my course. I'm sure that the Cottontail, Fran's Star Ranch, Sherries, Ash Meadows Lodge, the Green Lantern and Bobbie's Buckeye (all located in remote areas of Southern Nevada not far from what is correctly known as Creech AFB) have all been in my sights on more than one occasion. Just remembering what the effect must of been in those cribs makes me chuckle. HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO ALL AMERICANS! Count Deiro -Original Message- From: wahlpe...@aol.comt Sent: Jul 5, 2013 6:53 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around. We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners. Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
That is interesting. My father served this country his entire life achieving the rank of General in the U.S. Army when he was just 42 years old. He earned both the Legion of Merit and the Silver Cross among his too numerous to count other medals. I grew up around military bases and had to move every four years so I am accustomed to seeing military aircraft. I lived a few miles from McChord Air Force base at one time. I flew in Hueys at the Yakima Firing Center in Washington (AT 79) where we roamed the desert that it is not all that much different than the desert here in Nevada. We would not dream of buzzing a civilian if one were stupid enough to wander into this restricted area. An MP would be dispatched to deal with the problem. The only weapons on board were rockets so we did not even have the ability to make a field arrest if somebody were stupid enough to enter the area. One thing that my father made very clear is that military aircraft was not be used for civilian purposes or to interfere with the private sector. He recalled Washington State National Guard helicopters in flight that the governor was using for site seeing purposes to entertain her friends. This was shortly after the Mt. St. Helens eruptions. He decided these assets were needed for rescue operations, not for the governor's personal use so he limited her to one helicopter. He turned down Henry Winkler who wanted to be flown in a military aircraft during the Sea Fair festivities citing that a civilian who has not served this country has not earned the right to use military resources. He basically told the Fonz he could sit on it during the height of his popularity on Happy Days. F-18 jets buzzing civilians in the desert is no joking matter. The fly by startled us so badly that somebody could have lost their footing and fell to their death. My father's favorite subject was world history. I wish he were still around to advise me on all the idiocy I see or hear on a daily basis. Adam - Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix (delete now if bored)
No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. This is the first of my reading any of this thread and find it quite amusing. Brings back to memory when I was digging for gold in the Big Bear area (1970's) when two low flying jets flew overhead and scared the crap out of me. Soon afterwards I was getting a good giggle out of it all. In the past I've seen similar scenes like this, but a little further off. Its just this time they flew over my hill. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix - In Russia
In Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix at http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg113704.html Adam wrote Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. Reminds me of a couple of car cam videos from Russia. Go see: Russian fighter jet almost lands on road - Sonic boom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMtjpDykp9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSuA4Cnf04I RUSSIAN DASH CAM FOOTAGE - Tank! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4Wv2p62vM Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix - In Russia
Actually, the jet jockey was trying to get a better look at Zann who was in shorts, Adam and I were not in the competition. Ted On 7/5/13 2:30 PM, Paul H. wrote: In Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix at http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg113704.html Adam wrote Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. Reminds me of a couple of car cam videos from Russia. Go see: Russian fighter jet almost lands on road - Sonic boom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMtjpDykp9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSuA4Cnf04I RUSSIAN DASH CAM FOOTAGE - Tank! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4Wv2p62vM Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
What has been a very cool experience is to be hunting in Superior Valley and have them do an on deck fly over while they try to catch the little target jets (t38s ???). Very cool time out! Jim James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Classic topic petrology. Now a type 7. The original morphology is satrurated with external toxication, reduction reactions and overall crabiness. I'll restate my original concern, in a short sentence: It sucks to be spyed on, no matter what. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix That is interesting. My father served this country his entire life achieving the rank of General in the U.S. Army when he was just 42 years old. He earned both the Legion of Merit and the Silver Cross among his too numerous to count other medals. I grew up around military bases and had to move every four years so I am accustomed to seeing military aircraft. I lived a few miles from McChord Air Force base at one time. I flew in Hueys at the Yakima Firing Center in Washington (AT 79) where we roamed the desert that it is not all that much different than the desert here in Nevada. We would not dream of buzzing a civilian if one were stupid enough to wander into this restricted area. An MP would be dispatched to deal with the problem. The only weapons on board were rockets so we did not even have the ability to make a field arrest if somebody were stupid enough to enter the area. One thing that my father made very clear is that military aircraft was not be used for civilian purposes or to interfere with the private sector. He recalled Washington State National Guard helicopters in flight that the governor was using for site seeing purposes to entertain her friends. This was shortly after the Mt. St. Helens eruptions. He decided these assets were needed for rescue operations, not for the governor's personal use so he limited her to one helicopter. He turned down Henry Winkler who wanted to be flown in a military aircraft during the Sea Fair festivities citing that a civilian who has not served this country has not earned the right to use military resources. He basically told the Fonz he could sit on it during the height of his popularity on Happy Days. F-18 jets buzzing civilians in the desert is no joking matter. The fly by startled us so badly that somebody could have lost their footing and fell to their death. My father's favorite subject was world history. I wish he were still around to advise me on all the idiocy I see or hear on a daily basis. Adam - Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group
Re: [meteorite-list] ED Fix
Cooo! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This really has no place on the list. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Cooo! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED Fix
Mikeyou are right that it has become a little silly, but Adam has a good point that started this thread about being careful what you put out there in the form of pictures (with meta data) of finds that could be seen as controversial, such as meteorite finds or roman artifacts that perhaps should be declared to authorities ;-) G On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: This really has no place on the list. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Cooo! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Everything we do is tracked in some way, unless you want to live with a tinfoil hat on, just accept it. This paranoia is getting out of control:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Mikeyou are right that it has become a little silly, but Adam has a good point that started this thread about being careful what you put out there in the form of pictures (with meta data) of finds that could be seen as controversial, such as meteorite finds or roman artifacts that perhaps should be declared to authorities ;-) G On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: This really has no place on the list. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Cooo! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t out to get you! Sorry, had to be saidend of thread for me...goodnight all :-) Graham On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Everything we do is tracked in some way, unless you want to live with a tinfoil hat on, just accept it. This paranoia is getting out of control:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Mikeyou are right that it has become a little silly, but Adam has a good point that started this thread about being careful what you put out there in the form of pictures (with meta data) of finds that could be seen as controversial, such as meteorite finds or roman artifacts that perhaps should be declared to authorities ;-) G On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: This really has no place on the list. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Cooo! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The Electronic Data Network Accessed E.D.N.A. or ED information snooping and recovery software is gonna get ya! I had a college student who will remain nameless think that I am paranoid and that it is great that our government is keeping any eye on absolutely everything. My answer is, Why don't you turn over your photo albums, diaries, personal journals, medical history and love letters while your at it? When you are busted removing more than your 10 lbs share of meteorites from federal land and your cell phone, car computer, FM two way radio and Rhino GPS testify against you in court, then maybe you will care. I think everybody has been warned. Don't get caught leaving an Electronic DNA trail behind you. Now it is time to set up my smoke signal system. Wait it a minute, out of door fires are not legal anymore. Adam From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED Fix Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t out to get you! Sorry, had to be saidend of thread for me...goodnight all :-) Graham On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Everything we do is tracked in some way, unless you want to live with a tinfoil hat on, just accept it. This paranoia is getting out of control:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Mikeyou are right that it has become a little silly, but Adam has a good point that started this thread about being careful what you put out there in the form of pictures (with meta data) of finds that could be seen as controversial, such as meteorite finds or roman artifacts that perhaps should be declared to authorities ;-) G On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: This really has no place on the list. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Cooo! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Adam all,
Big Brother is here.
As Adam pointed out, this IS highly related to meteorite
Collecting as it effects the behavior of meteorite hunters in
The field - and even in the marketplace and the question
As to whether they will be able to continue functioning with the
Liberty we used to enjoy in this country.
Finally something political Adam and I agree on
Whole heartedly. And people are making jokes about this!
This is the second biggest threat to the American way our
Country has faced in its existence.
(of course subversion of the democratic process and violations against the
anti-monopoly laws by Big Business {see supreme court decision allowing
Big Buisiness to contribute unlimited $ to finance campaigns of politicians
Because corporations are people and the fall of free enterprise through
Monopolization run amok). The conservative hawk Ike Eisenhower warned
Us about this, coining the term, the military-industrial complex (and that
Didn't directly address the even bigger monster, Big Oil {and coal})
So, now that our government is controlled by big business and
The marketplace is controlled by big business, now WE, individually
Are being spied upon CONSTANTLY by big business AND our own
(it is really theirs, now) government!
Lest you think this is hooey note that everywhere you go on the
web you may be addressed by your OWN NAME and told what you are
likely to want!
Now every single communication of any electronic means is recorded.
Ever since 9-11 the American people have been willing to give away
their freedom for the sake of (the perception of) safety. Who was it, Ben
Franklin? - one of the founding fathers who said (paraphrased) anyone
willing to give up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Someone on the list stated, just accept it. Really?
If every American on the list isn't deeply concerned about this,
what the hell are you celebrating today? - it is the 4th of July, the
Day we traditionally celebrate the freedom and liberty this country
Is SUPPOSED to be about.
Many of us are in the Baby-boomer generation. Many of us were in the
vanguard of the anti-establishment movement that changed America's approach
to conformity (INTENSE in the 50s and early 60s), racism, gender
discrimination, sexual repression, fear of words (free speech), etc.
However, 'movements' and 'revolutions' (non-violent, hopefully) must be
conducted by the people and Big Business and political maneuvering
Continually distract us with the straw dogs of 'welfare,' 'taxes,' health
care, illegal immigration, and the like - as those were the the problems
Threatening the people when it is really Big Business and Governmental
Corruption (largely BY Big Business) that are THE problems we face. But
As long as they can keep us focused on the straw dogs (mentioned above),
We won't focus on THEM - the government/politicians, it/themselves and
On the subversive influence and manipulation of Big Busines.
Instead, here we are, folks, with them focusing on US!
How's it working for you so far? The old slowly boiled frog and the
guy who jumped out the window and someone on a lower floor of the
Skyscraper asks him, how are you doing? and he says, so far, fine.
Sorry folks, but it is hard for me to celebrate the 4th with our
country in the final struggle (but no one is struggling - most don't seem
To have a hint that it is happening) to preserve what the 4th of July
represents.
The guy who outed this information should be given the highest
Civilian medal we have Right before he goes to prison for life for
Treason for giving other crucial information to other countries.
Thank you, Adam, for pointing out how repressive a situation we are
Facing that even collecting meteorites has come under the ever watchful
Eye of Big Brother!
Welcome to 1984,
Michael
On 7/4/13 12:33 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Programmers and I.T. personnel call this violation of rights Electronic DNA
or ED for short. A new vehicle's computer collects more ED (information)
about your driving habits than a flight recorder does in a Boeing 747. Wait
until the Department of Licensing requires an Electronic DNA download from
your car's computer in order for you to keep your driving privileges.
Insurance companies (Mainly Progressive) already have a modified flash drive
that can be plugged right into your car and the data recovered will tell them
what kind of driver you are so that they can adjust their rates to your
driving skills.
As far as the meteorite hunter goes. Many depend on Electronic DNA collecting
devices like cell phones, car computers, home computers, GPS, FM
communications with built-in ID tags and of course, their trusty new
vehicles. Do not conform and your Electronic DNA trail will be in place to
hasten your
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Jesus Christ, put a gun in your mouth already. I did this work in 1990s.
Nothing has changed. It was going on back in ww2.
Anything you say or write can be intercepted.
Go hide in your closet or get on with your life. End of story.
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote:
Adam all,
Big Brother is here.
As Adam pointed out, this IS highly related to meteorite
Collecting as it effects the behavior of meteorite hunters in
The field - and even in the marketplace and the question
As to whether they will be able to continue functioning with the
Liberty we used to enjoy in this country.
Finally something political Adam and I agree on
Whole heartedly. And people are making jokes about this!
This is the second biggest threat to the American way our
Country has faced in its existence.
(of course subversion of the democratic process and violations against the
anti-monopoly laws by Big Business {see supreme court decision allowing
Big Buisiness to contribute unlimited $ to finance campaigns of politicians
Because corporations are people and the fall of free enterprise through
Monopolization run amok). The conservative hawk Ike Eisenhower warned
Us about this, coining the term, the military-industrial complex (and that
Didn't directly address the even bigger monster, Big Oil {and coal})
So, now that our government is controlled by big business and
The marketplace is controlled by big business, now WE, individually
Are being spied upon CONSTANTLY by big business AND our own
(it is really theirs, now) government!
Lest you think this is hooey note that everywhere you go on the
web you may be addressed by your OWN NAME and told what you are
likely to want!
Now every single communication of any electronic means is recorded.
Ever since 9-11 the American people have been willing to give away
their freedom for the sake of (the perception of) safety. Who was it, Ben
Franklin? - one of the founding fathers who said (paraphrased) anyone
willing to give up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Someone on the list stated, just accept it. Really?
If every American on the list isn't deeply concerned about this,
what the hell are you celebrating today? - it is the 4th of July, the
Day we traditionally celebrate the freedom and liberty this country
Is SUPPOSED to be about.
Many of us are in the Baby-boomer generation. Many of us were in the
vanguard of the anti-establishment movement that changed America's approach
to conformity (INTENSE in the 50s and early 60s), racism, gender
discrimination, sexual repression, fear of words (free speech), etc.
However, 'movements' and 'revolutions' (non-violent, hopefully) must be
conducted by the people and Big Business and political maneuvering
Continually distract us with the straw dogs of 'welfare,' 'taxes,' health
care, illegal immigration, and the like - as those were the the problems
Threatening the people when it is really Big Business and Governmental
Corruption (largely BY Big Business) that are THE problems we face. But
As long as they can keep us focused on the straw dogs (mentioned above),
We won't focus on THEM - the government/politicians, it/themselves and
On the subversive influence and manipulation of Big Busines.
Instead, here we are, folks, with them focusing on US!
How's it working for you so far? The old slowly boiled frog and the
guy who jumped out the window and someone on a lower floor of the
Skyscraper asks him, how are you doing? and he says, so far, fine.
Sorry folks, but it is hard for me to celebrate the 4th with our
country in the final struggle (but no one is struggling - most don't seem
To have a hint that it is happening) to preserve what the 4th of July
represents.
The guy who outed this information should be given the highest
Civilian medal we have Right before he goes to prison for life for
Treason for giving other crucial information to other countries.
Thank you, Adam, for pointing out how repressive a situation we are
Facing that even collecting meteorites has come under the ever watchful
Eye of Big Brother!
Welcome to 1984,
Michael
On 7/4/13 12:33 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Programmers and I.T. personnel call this violation of rights Electronic DNA
or ED for short. A new vehicle's computer collects more ED (information)
about your driving habits than a flight recorder does in a Boeing 747. Wait
until the Department of Licensing requires an Electronic DNA download from
your car's computer in order for you to keep your driving privileges.
Insurance companies (Mainly Progressive) already have a modified flash drive
that can be plugged right into your car and the data recovered will tell them
what kind of driver you are so that
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
This is insane. The typical Adam Hupe post to scare everyone from hunting
meteorites. Yes big brother is out there but unless your truly breaking any
laws get over it. BLM does not have the resources or manpower to hunt you down.
Anyone with any common sense can figure this out. We don't need to be reminded
every few days
On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:11, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Jesus Christ, put a gun in your mouth already. I did this work in 1990s.
Nothing has changed. It was going on back in ww2.
Anything you say or write can be intercepted.
Go hide in your closet or get on with your life. End of story.
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote:
Adam all,
Big Brother is here.
As Adam pointed out, this IS highly related to meteorite
Collecting as it effects the behavior of meteorite hunters in
The field - and even in the marketplace and the question
As to whether they will be able to continue functioning with the
Liberty we used to enjoy in this country.
Finally something political Adam and I agree on
Whole heartedly. And people are making jokes about this!
This is the second biggest threat to the American way our
Country has faced in its existence.
(of course subversion of the democratic process and violations against the
anti-monopoly laws by Big Business {see supreme court decision allowing
Big Buisiness to contribute unlimited $ to finance campaigns of politicians
Because corporations are people and the fall of free enterprise through
Monopolization run amok). The conservative hawk Ike Eisenhower warned
Us about this, coining the term, the military-industrial complex (and that
Didn't directly address the even bigger monster, Big Oil {and coal})
So, now that our government is controlled by big business and
The marketplace is controlled by big business, now WE, individually
Are being spied upon CONSTANTLY by big business AND our own
(it is really theirs, now) government!
Lest you think this is hooey note that everywhere you go on the
web you may be addressed by your OWN NAME and told what you are
likely to want!
Now every single communication of any electronic means is recorded.
Ever since 9-11 the American people have been willing to give away
their freedom for the sake of (the perception of) safety. Who was it, Ben
Franklin? - one of the founding fathers who said (paraphrased) anyone
willing to give up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Someone on the list stated, just accept it. Really?
If every American on the list isn't deeply concerned about this,
what the hell are you celebrating today? - it is the 4th of July, the
Day we traditionally celebrate the freedom and liberty this country
Is SUPPOSED to be about.
Many of us are in the Baby-boomer generation. Many of us were in the
vanguard of the anti-establishment movement that changed America's approach
to conformity (INTENSE in the 50s and early 60s), racism, gender
discrimination, sexual repression, fear of words (free speech), etc.
However, 'movements' and 'revolutions' (non-violent, hopefully) must be
conducted by the people and Big Business and political maneuvering
Continually distract us with the straw dogs of 'welfare,' 'taxes,' health
care, illegal immigration, and the like - as those were the the problems
Threatening the people when it is really Big Business and Governmental
Corruption (largely BY Big Business) that are THE problems we face. But
As long as they can keep us focused on the straw dogs (mentioned above),
We won't focus on THEM - the government/politicians, it/themselves and
On the subversive influence and manipulation of Big Busines.
Instead, here we are, folks, with them focusing on US!
How's it working for you so far? The old slowly boiled frog and the
guy who jumped out the window and someone on a lower floor of the
Skyscraper asks him, how are you doing? and he says, so far, fine.
Sorry folks, but it is hard for me to celebrate the 4th with our
country in the final struggle (but no one is struggling - most don't seem
To have a hint that it is happening) to preserve what the 4th of July
represents.
The guy who outed this information should be given the highest
Civilian medal we have Right before he goes to prison for life for
Treason for giving other crucial information to other countries.
Thank you, Adam, for pointing out how repressive a situation we are
Facing that even collecting meteorites has come under the ever watchful
Eye of Big Brother!
Welcome to 1984,
Michael
On 7/4/13 12:33 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Programmers and I.T. personnel call this violation of rights Electronic
DNA
or ED for short. A new vehicle's computer collects more ED (information)
about your driving habits
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
The BLM has the entire over sized federal government at it disposal and is part
of the Department of Interior. I have been approached by BLM agents on many
occasions and can tell you first-hand they mean business.
I am not trying scare anybody. The U.S. government spying on private citizens
scares me plenty without even entering the field. Hunt all you want, I wish
you well.
Enough from me, my fellow comrades,
Adam
- Original Message -
From: robert crane rrobb...@msn.com
To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
This is insane. The typical Adam Hupe post to scare everyone from hunting
meteorites. Yes big brother is out there but unless your truly breaking any
laws get over it. BLM does not have the resources or manpower to hunt you down.
Anyone with any common sense can figure this out. We don't need to be reminded
every few days
On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:11, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Jesus Christ, put a gun in your mouth already. I did this work in 1990s.
Nothing has changed. It was going on back in ww2.
Anything you say or write can be intercepted.
Go hide in your closet or get on with your life. End of story.
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote:
Adam all,
Big Brother is here.
As Adam pointed out, this IS highly related to meteorite
Collecting as it effects the behavior of meteorite hunters in
The field - and even in the marketplace and the question
As to whether they will be able to continue functioning with the
Liberty we used to enjoy in this country.
Finally something political Adam and I agree on
Whole heartedly. And people are making jokes about this!
This is the second biggest threat to the American way our
Country has faced in its existence.
(of course subversion of the democratic process and violations against the
anti-monopoly laws by Big Business {see supreme court decision allowing
Big Buisiness to contribute unlimited $ to finance campaigns of politicians
Because corporations are people and the fall of free enterprise through
Monopolization run amok). The conservative hawk Ike Eisenhower warned
Us about this, coining the term, the military-industrial complex (and that
Didn't directly address the even bigger monster, Big Oil {and coal})
So, now that our government is controlled by big business and
The marketplace is controlled by big business, now WE, individually
Are being spied upon CONSTANTLY by big business AND our own
(it is really theirs, now) government!
Lest you think this is hooey note that everywhere you go on the
web you may be addressed by your OWN NAME and told what you are
likely to want!
Now every single communication of any electronic means is recorded.
Ever since 9-11 the American people have been willing to give away
their freedom for the sake of (the perception of) safety. Who was it, Ben
Franklin? - one of the founding fathers who said (paraphrased) anyone
willing to give up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Someone on the list stated, just accept it. Really?
If every American on the list isn't deeply concerned about this,
what the hell are you celebrating today? - it is the 4th of July, the
Day we traditionally celebrate the freedom and liberty this country
Is SUPPOSED to be about.
Many of us are in the Baby-boomer generation. Many of us were in the
vanguard of the anti-establishment movement that changed America's approach
to conformity (INTENSE in the 50s and early 60s), racism, gender
discrimination, sexual repression, fear of words (free speech), etc.
However, 'movements' and 'revolutions' (non-violent, hopefully) must be
conducted by the people and Big Business and political maneuvering
Continually distract us with the straw dogs of 'welfare,' 'taxes,' health
care, illegal immigration, and the like - as those were the the problems
Threatening the people when it is really Big Business and Governmental
Corruption (largely BY Big Business) that are THE problems we face. But
As long as they can keep us focused on the straw dogs (mentioned above),
We won't focus on THEM - the government/politicians, it/themselves and
On the subversive influence and manipulation of Big Busines.
Instead, here we are, folks, with them focusing on US!
How's it working for you so far? The old slowly boiled frog and the
guy who jumped out the window and someone on a lower floor of the
Skyscraper asks him, how are you doing? and he says, so far, fine.
Sorry folks, but it is hard for me to celebrate the 4th with our
country in the final struggle (but no one is struggling - most don't seem
To have a hint that it is happening) to preserve what the 4th of July
represents
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
If this story is true you would have fusion crust On Jul 4, 2013, at 17:28, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It is absolutely true. Ask Dr. Ted Bunch, a well-know personality here on the List, if you do not believe me for some reason. I do not have time to make stuff up my fellow comrade! Adam . - Original Message - From: robert crane rrobb...@msn.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix If this story is true you would have fusion crust On Jul 4, 2013, at 17:28, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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who cares? Aren't there enough political sites to discuss this on? Nevada is the most active military state in the union. Move away if you don't like planes. Perhaps Ted could find hundreds of missing meteorites on that mountainside. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is absolutely true. Ask Dr. Ted Bunch, a well-know personality here on the List, if you do not believe me for some reason. I do not have time to make stuff up my fellow comrade! Adam . - Original Message - From: robert crane rrobb...@msn.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix If this story is true you would have fusion crust On Jul 4, 2013, at 17:28, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
It looked obviously deliberate to me. We all interpreted the encounter the same way. Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. The pilot completely surprised us. He came around the mountain and we did not hear the jet until it was at our exact coordinates. It was impressive how close he came to us out of nowhere. The jet was so close that we observed the pilot turning his head to get a better look at us. He hit the afterburners, then flew straight up and was out of sight in few mere seconds. We did not observe any more activity after this. We had not seen a plane or another car all day and we were completely out of cell phone range. The only thing I can think of that betrayed our position was our FM communications on a Rhino with tagging. Too bad you can not buy FM communicators with encryption any more. Adam From: john shea bigjohns...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Adam, A better question in my mind is, why would they send a jet after you and your group? If they didn't want you there, wouldn't they send a helicopter? Or why would they bother telling you that you are being tracked? Is there a chance (just a chance) you have misinterpreted this event? Hope you are well. Cheers, John From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21:24 AM One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Happy Independence Day, Mike. No reason to get in huff, I love airplanes and living in Nevada where freedom is not taken for granted and we still have some. Freedom is not for free, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix who cares? Aren't there enough political sites to discuss this on? Nevada is the most active military state in the union. Move away if you don't like planes. Perhaps Ted could find hundreds of missing meteorites on that mountainside. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It is absolutely true. Ask Dr. Ted Bunch, a well-know personality here on the List, if you do not believe me for some reason. I do not have time to make stuff up my fellow comrade! Adam . - Original Message - From: robert crane rrobb...@msn.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix If this story is true you would have fusion crust On Jul 4, 2013, at 17:28, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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We used to get targeted in Oman, the military can see you and hear you from far away. The jets in Oman would Come on full speed at ground level and nearly hit you. You never knew they were there until they were gone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It looked obviously deliberate to me. We all interpreted the encounter the same way. Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. The pilot completely surprised us. He came around the mountain and we did not hear the jet until it was at our exact coordinates. It was impressive how close he came to us out of nowhere. The jet was so close that we observed the pilot turning his head to get a better look at us. He hit the afterburners, then flew straight up and was out of sight in few mere seconds. We did not observe any more activity after this. We had not seen a plane or another car all day and we were completely out of cell phone range. The only thing I can think of that betrayed our position was our FM communications on a Rhino with tagging. Too bad you can not buy FM communicators with encryption any more. Adam From: john shea bigjohns...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Adam, A better question in my mind is, why would they send a jet after you and your group? If they didn't want you there, wouldn't they send a helicopter? Or why would they bother telling you that you are being tracked? Is there a chance (just a chance) you have misinterpreted this event? Hope you are well. Cheers, John From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21:24 AM One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I imagine they were tracking your Rhino as you suppose, but even if the voice is scrambled, couldn't they triangulate you? Maybe they just wanted to see who was in the area - which is probably why they didn't make physical contact - when they saw you were just hikers. Were you near any military facilities? In Southern AZ there are many electronic sensors along the border. We've seen helicopters come straight out to our location from Tucson, look around right where we were and then head straight back to Tucson. We didn't have any modern vehicles, GPS or cell phones, so we assumed we triggered something. The sensors were for intercepting both drug and human traffickers. Whenever they spotted us and realized that we're deer hunters, they would ignore us and leave. Today they probably have live video and sound. There was always a lot of drug activity in the spot we used to hunt. We've since abandoned our 50-year family hunting spot because of the increasing confrontations with drug dealers. Also when we cut wood out near Sasabe, the A-10's would strafe our trucks. This was 20 - 30 years ago and we just took it as them practicing on our tank - we would always wave at them when they flew by us and enjoyed the activity and didn't feel threatened - this was during the cold war. Back then we sold fire wood to several A-10 pilots. Stay safe, Mark B. Vail, AZ From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix It looked obviously deliberate to me. We all interpreted the encounter the same way. Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. The pilot completely surprised us. He came around the mountain and we did not hear the jet until it was at our exact coordinates. It was impressive how close he came to us out of nowhere. The jet was so close that we observed the pilot turning his head to get a better look at us. He hit the afterburners, then flew straight up and was out of sight in few mere seconds. We did not observe any more activity after this. We had not seen a plane or another car all day and we were completely out of cell phone range. The only thing I can think of that betrayed our position was our FM communications on a Rhino with tagging. Too bad you can not buy FM communicators with encryption any more. Adam From: john shea bigjohns...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Adam, A better question in my mind is, why would they send a jet after you and your group? If they didn't want you there, wouldn't they send a helicopter? Or why would they bother telling you that you are being tracked? Is there a chance (just a chance) you have misinterpreted this event? Hope you are well. Cheers, John From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21:24 AM One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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You got a cool air show, nothing else. As a former aircrew guy, I can tell you that's all it was. Chalk it up as a lucky day. If the pilot did a show for you, it was in fun and high on the Top Gun factor. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 20:11, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It looked obviously deliberate to me. We all interpreted the encounter the same way. Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. The pilot completely surprised us. He came around the mountain and we did not hear the jet until it was at our exact coordinates. It was impressive how close he came to us out of nowhere. The jet was so close that we observed the pilot turning his head to get a better look at us. He hit the afterburners, then flew straight up and was out of sight in few mere seconds. We did not observe any more activity after this. We had not seen a plane or another car all day and we were completely out of cell phone range. The only thing I can think of that betrayed our position was our FM communications on a Rhino with tagging. Too bad you can not buy FM communicators with encryption any more. Adam From: john shea bigjohns...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Adam, A better question in my mind is, why would they send a jet after you and your group? If they didn't want you there, wouldn't they send a helicopter? Or why would they bother telling you that you are being tracked? Is there a chance (just a chance) you have misinterpreted this event? Hope you are well. Cheers, John From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21:24 AM One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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You all are way too paranoid. Low level = 100% concentrated in flying the plane and staying on the route. They are also really busy prosecuting the scenarios. If it is red flag, that's further multiplied 10X. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they probably didn't even know you were there, and if they did, you got 100 milliseconds of their brain time, max. Remember, fighters are weapon employment platforms, not ISR. If you aren't on the ATO, you don't exist. They don't deviate from the days scenarios or test cards (if it is a test flight) unless someone else has crashed and they have been asked to assist. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 20:59, Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com wrote: I imagine they were tracking your Rhino as you suppose, but even if the voice is scrambled, couldn't they triangulate you? Maybe they just wanted to see who was in the area - which is probably why they didn't make physical contact - when they saw you were just hikers. Were you near any military facilities? In Southern AZ there are many electronic sensors along the border. We've seen helicopters come straight out to our location from Tucson, look around right where we were and then head straight back to Tucson. We didn't have any modern vehicles, GPS or cell phones, so we assumed we triggered something. The sensors were for intercepting both drug and human traffickers. Whenever they spotted us and realized that we're deer hunters, they would ignore us and leave. Today they probably have live video and sound. There was always a lot of drug activity in the spot we used to hunt. We've since abandoned our 50-year family hunting spot because of the increasing confrontations with drug dealers. Also when we cut wood out near Sasabe, the A-10's would strafe our trucks. This was 20 - 30 years ago and we just took it as them practicing on our tank - we would always wave at them when they flew by us and enjoyed the activity and didn't feel threatened - this was during the cold war. Back then we sold fire wood to several A-10 pilots. Stay safe, Mark B. Vail, AZ From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix It looked obviously deliberate to me. We all interpreted the encounter the same way. Dr. Bunch thought it was some jet jockey trying to show off but this doesn't answer the question to how he knew we were at that remote location in the first place. The pilot completely surprised us. He came around the mountain and we did not hear the jet until it was at our exact coordinates. It was impressive how close he came to us out of nowhere. The jet was so close that we observed the pilot turning his head to get a better look at us. He hit the afterburners, then flew straight up and was out of sight in few mere seconds. We did not observe any more activity after this. We had not seen a plane or another car all day and we were completely out of cell phone range. The only thing I can think of that betrayed our position was our FM communications on a Rhino with tagging. Too bad you can not buy FM communicators with encryption any more. Adam From: john shea bigjohns...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Adam, A better question in my mind is, why would they send a jet after you and your group? If they didn't want you there, wouldn't they send a helicopter? Or why would they bother telling you that you are being tracked? Is there a chance (just a chance) you have misinterpreted this event? Hope you are well. Cheers, John From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21:24 AM One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http
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I've had jets fly low while meteorite hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought anything negative about it at all. GregS -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and ridgelines that like to smack pilots that don't pay attention. They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list with just enough in the tanks to land with a couple of thousand pounds of reserve fuel. Like an over-tasked soccer mom with 1000 kids in the back of the mini-van, they are concentrating on much more serious things than people waling around on the desert floor :) --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:08 PM I've had jets fly low while meteorite hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought anything negative about it at all. GregS -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket watch. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote: LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and ridgelines that like to smack pilots that don't pay attention. They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list with just enough in the tanks to land with a couple of thousand pounds of reserve fuel. Like an over-tasked soccer mom with 1000 kids in the back of the mini-van, they are concentrating on much more serious things than people waling around on the desert floor :) --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:08 PM I've had jets fly low while meteorite hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought anything negative about it at all. GregS -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sequestration killed that. He only gets dial tone on Mondays and Thursdays between 8 and 10 Am EST. Calls outside the 202 area code require congressional budget committee special approval. We have to buy the fuel from Putin now :) --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:50 PM Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket watch. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote: LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and ridgelines that like to smack pilots that don't pay attention. They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list with just enough in the tanks to land with a couple of thousand pounds of reserve fuel. Like an over-tasked soccer mom with 1000 kids in the back of the mini-van, they are concentrating on much more serious things than people waling around on the desert floor :) --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:08 PM I've had jets fly low while meteorite hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought anything negative about it at all. GregS -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic. They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is still strongly enforced. A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent boogeymen. What you should be asking yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to disregard existing laws and regulations, probably contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying to take the high road have to suffer. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing of interest. Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18 jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head to get a better look at us. My question is; what device gave up our position? No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the steep slopes. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
