Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
Carl, yes, probably you better shouldn't have pressed the send button. Neither you, Barry. Of course everyone is free to express his opinion, but the form it happened in, is not acceptable. Here you have the list archives: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html There you will find not a single posting by Anne, where she would have insulted any person. And certainly Dr.Jambon feels not insulted by her. On contrary, in a silly brawl about possible pairings of stones, silly, because they still are in the totally normal process of classification - caused by the impatience of some list-members, she called on the list-members to do that, what one could expect from any mature meteorite collector, to demonstrate the patience necessary and to wait until the results of the analyses will be ready. And furthermore she got committed to exchange samples of the questioned stones, between the scientists involved in the classification processes, which in the end now seems to work, so that the matter can be solved by scientific criteria to the full satisfaction of all interested in that question. Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate I tell you Barry, what Anne has made. As co-founder of the IMCA she made the meteoritic world a safer place for everyone, also for you, introducing new standards into the meteorite trade, which got more and more widely accepted. And she created with IMCA a contact point for conflict resolution for participants in meteoritics and a place for advice in meteoritic questions and a source of information about meteorites. And that open to everyone and that free of charge for everyone. And like the other founders of IMCA, she did this in thousands of working-hours absolutely unpaid. That is certainly more, than to type an imprudent mail in the head of a moment - lock, stock and barrel condemning everything, what one even doesn't know, and to attack with inacceptable wordings a person, to whom the meteorite community owes respect and gratitude for that, what she has achieved for that community. Everyone is free to dislike and to criticize IMCA, but I think if that's done in public, one should try to stick to facts and should abstain from personal decrials. I'm sure, that when you'll have slept on it, you'll think similarly about that. Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I'm normally just a lurker here on the forum, soaking up info and playing with my meteorites. Barry, This is such a great response to the message below, and quite reasonable in the rebuke area considering the original message. I've considered membership in IMCA just so I could better connect to other collectors and dealers to both buy and sell rocks from space. Everyone have a great weekend! Rob http://rob.holcomb.redbubble.com -- From: Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:21 AM To: 'Barry Hughes' bhug...@sneezy.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Hello Barry, I usually won't even respond to that kind of unqualified IMCA bashing emails, but since you seem to be new to meteorites and the meteorite community I'd like to say a few words, just for the records in public: You actually applied for IMCA membership less than a few weeks ago, but when I told you that your recommending members would have to write us a short recommendation letter you backed out and told me that you weren't aware that recommendation letters were required - even though this is clearly stated on our Join page and repeated in the confirmation email sent out by our system. I didn't hold this against you, and I still don't. I even helped you with the identification of the lunar meteorite wrong that kindled your interest in meteorites about six months ago. You thanked me for that, and wrote: I think of the IMCA as an organization representative of honesty and responsibility and will some day be happy to join if you will have me. And I told you that you would be welcome. So what made you change your mind that fast? Now you are calling our Vice-President words (which I won't repeat, and for which you already apologized, somewhat halfheartedly), and you are calling the IMCA a corrupt organization... Based on what? The confidential information of people who weren't accepted as IMCA members in the past, or former members who have been expelled from our Association for not respecting our simple Code of Ethics (to which each member agrees to adhere prior to joining)? People that might have an interest in instrumentalizing you as a newbie to pay back to the bad people at the big bad IMCA? Make sure where you get your information from. You seem to be easily impressed, and I recommend you not to take everything at face value what you are told. The IMCA is run by a Board of Directors consisting of 9 elected Board Members from 5 different countries, and most of us Board members are no meteorite dealers. And if the minority of Board Members who are dealers and could have conflicting interests were as corrupt as you might think, how does it come that they are elected and re-elected by our membership? How does it come that conflicting interests don't play any role when it comes to votes and decisions on our Board of Directors? I think I, as the President of this Association, should be aware of that, right? I can assure you that you are totally wrong, not just about Anne Black but also about our Association. The IMCA Board of Directors, including Anne Black, have been involved in helping clearing up the pairing situation of NWA 5400 and its aleged pairings ever since this subject has been brought to our attention. Many questions still need to be answered, but that's in the nature of the subject as it requires oxygen isotope testing and more - something that takes time; so please be patient in this regard, and don't jump to premature conclusions. Yes Barry, silence might be a plague sometimes, but it's sure better than to rant about people you barely know, and about subjects you are not familiar with. I still won't hold this against you as you are obviously a newbie, and easily impressed. Anyway, since you brought this up in public I thought a public response would be appropriate. And I think another apology to the entire IMCA would be in order - we are surely no corrupt organization, and I and many other IMCA find it insulting that you are making such outrageous and unqualified statements in public. All the best, Norbert Classen President IMCA Inc. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- I'll tell you right know...I wanted to become a member of IMCA and asked a couple of good friends who agreed. .. RANT Snip! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Barry, I am floored from what I read today of what transpired over the course of 12 hours. I am gone from the List for less then a day and I read these harsh words your saying about IMCA and saying its corrupt, and to top it off, you verbally assaulting a List member. I am sorry I cant stand back anymore with your blow ups on the List Berry and your attach's on a member and the IMCA. Anne is a great women and how dare you say those words to her. She and other people make meteorite collecting a safe and enjoyable environment. If it wasn't for the IMCA meteorite collecting would be a different world, with corruption, lying and cheating. The IMCA is a place for people to have a place for belonging, a place to having the ability to contribute to an activity that they enjoy doing and be able to allow other member of the meteorite community to have the security that they know that they are getting a meteorite and not a rock. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gramBarry Hughes bhughes at sneezy.com Thu Aug 19 22:38:08 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I'll tell you right know...I wanted to become a member of IMCA and asked a couple of good friends who agreed. I would no longer belong to this corrupt organization than I would belong to the KKK. What a farce Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate organization for collectors and dealers to gather and exchange. Conflicting interest is a joke heresilence is a plague that I can no longer ignore. Go ahead and grease your pole with silence but it works both ways.you have to live with this bitch...I don't...I'm a buyer and I can buy from anyone. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Barry Hughes bhughes at sneezy.com wrote: Yes...I remember that. I felt like apologizing to him, myself. Thanks Carlwe'll get this straightened out tonight. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 PM, cdtucson at cox.net wrote: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Impactika at aol.com Impactika at aol.com wrote: From: Impactika at aol.com Impactika at aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmhupe at htn.net, stanleygregr at hotmail.com, rickmont at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, p.marmet at sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Impactika at aol.com Impactika at aol.com wrote: From: Impactika at aol.com Impactika at aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmhupe at htn.net, stanleygregr at hotmail.com, rickmont at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, p.marmet at sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello everybody, Thank you Shawn and thank you everybody who wrote here or privately; I most certainly appreciate your support, your support of the IMCA and your offers of help. All this is very much appreciated by the whole IMCA, board and members. Now the missing piece (missing link?) in this problem will soon be on its way, and we can all hope that this whole difficult, complex pairing problem will be resolved, and will no longer cause any arguments.. As for me, maybe I'll have to agree with Greg H, some days it is safer to go swin with the gators of Florida than to post on the List!;-) Again, thank you very much. Have a very nice day, and weekend. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/20/2010 11:49:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, photoph...@yahoo.com writes: Barry, I am floored from what I read today of what transpired over the course of 12 hours. I am gone from the List for less then a day and I read these harsh words your saying about IMCA and saying its corrupt, and to top it off, you verbally assaulting a List member. I am sorry I cant stand back anymore with your blow ups on the List Berry and your attach's on a member and the IMCA. Anne is a great women and how dare you say those words to her. She and other people make meteorite collecting a safe and enjoyable environment. If it wasn't for the IMCA meteorite collecting would be a different world, with corruption, lying and cheating. The IMCA is a place for people to have a place for belonging, a place to having the ability to contribute to an activity that they enjoy doing and be able to allow other member of the meteorite community to have the security that they know that they are getting a meteorite and not a rock. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
HELLO EVERYONE, THREE CHEERS FOR ANNE!!! THREE CHEERS FOR IMCA!!! THREE CHEERS FOR ALL THE GENTLEMEN AND LADY MEMBERS!!! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:42 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Carl, yes, probably you better shouldn't have pressed the send button. Neither you, Barry. Of course everyone is free to express his opinion, but the form it happened in, is not acceptable. Here you have the list archives: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html There you will find not a single posting by Anne, where she would have insulted any person. And certainly Dr.Jambon feels not insulted by her. On contrary, in a silly brawl about possible pairings of stones, silly, because they still are in the totally normal process of classification - caused by the impatience of some list-members, she called on the list-members to do that, what one could expect from any mature meteorite collector, to demonstrate the patience necessary and to wait until the results of the analyses will be ready. And furthermore she got committed to exchange samples of the questioned stones, between the scientists involved in the classification processes, which in the end now seems to work, so that the matter can be solved by scientific criteria to the full satisfaction of all interested in that question. Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate I tell you Barry, what Anne has made. As co-founder of the IMCA she made the meteoritic world a safer place for everyone, also for you, introducing new standards into the meteorite trade, which got more and more widely accepted. And she created with IMCA a contact point for conflict resolution for participants in meteoritics and a place for advice in meteoritic questions and a source of information about meteorites. And that open to everyone and that free of charge for everyone. And like the other founders of IMCA, she did this in thousands of working-hours absolutely unpaid. That is certainly more, than to type an imprudent mail in the head of a moment - lock, stock and barrel condemning everything, what one even doesn't know, and to attack with inacceptable wordings a person, to whom the meteorite community owes respect and gratitude for that, what she has achieved for that community. Everyone is free to dislike and to criticize IMCA, but I think if that's done in public, one should try to stick to facts and should abstain from personal decrials. I'm sure, that when you'll have slept on it, you'll think similarly about that. Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hear Hear! I second that motion. Eric On 8/20/2010 2:23 PM, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: HELLO EVERYONE, THREE CHEERS FOR ANNE!!! THREE CHEERS FOR IMCA!!! THREE CHEERS FOR ALL THE GENTLEMEN AND LADY MEMBERS!!! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Martin Altmannaltm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:42 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Carl, yes, probably you better shouldn't have pressed the send button. Neither you, Barry. Of course everyone is free to express his opinion, but the form it happened in, is not acceptable. Here you have the list archives: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html There you will find not a single posting by Anne, where she would have insulted any person. And certainly Dr.Jambon feels not insulted by her. On contrary, in a silly brawl about possible pairings of stones, silly, because they still are in the totally normal process of classification - caused by the impatience of some list-members, she called on the list-members to do that, what one could expect from any mature meteorite collector, to demonstrate the patience necessary and to wait until the results of the analyses will be ready. And furthermore she got committed to exchange samples of the questioned stones, between the scientists involved in the classification processes, which in the end now seems to work, so that the matter can be solved by scientific criteria to the full satisfaction of all interested in that question. Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate I tell you Barry, what Anne has made. As co-founder of the IMCA she made the meteoritic world a safer place for everyone, also for you, introducing new standards into the meteorite trade, which got more and more widely accepted. And she created with IMCA a contact point for conflict resolution for participants in meteoritics and a place for advice in meteoritic questions and a source of information about meteorites. And that open to everyone and that free of charge for everyone. And like the other founders of IMCA, she did this in thousands of working-hours absolutely unpaid. That is certainly more, than to type an imprudent mail in the head of a moment - lock, stock and barrel condemning everything, what one even doesn't know, and to attack with inacceptable wordings a person, to whom the meteorite community owes respect and gratitude for that, what she has achieved for that community. Everyone is free to dislike and to criticize IMCA, but I think if that's done in public, one should try to stick to facts and should abstain from personal decrials. I'm sure, that when you'll have slept on it, you'll think similarly about that. Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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List: So perhaps NWA 5400, NWA 5363 and NWA 6292 may all be paired? Greg S. From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:16:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Peter, thanks for writing. Both 5400 and 6292 deserve attention. Please keep me in the loop whenever any O-analysis happens (like everyone else!)...It is nice to see that this pairing potential is being addressed, at least on a proper level. Sincerely, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet To: Richard Montgomery Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:58 AM Subject: Re: NWA 6292 2.110 gram Dear Rick, many thanks for your payment! Last week, Tony Irving gave the NWA 6292 to a scientist who can analyze O isotopes, so we all look forward to getting more news about this stunning rock! I will bring your meteorite to the post office later today! Thanks again! Peter 2010/8/18 Richard Montgomery : Hello, Peter! Well, it'll be good to side-by-side NWA 5400 and NWA 6292. I just sent you payment via paypal. I'm curious about the 'pairing' debate so figured to see them from all sides. What's your latest perspective on it? Achondrites rock! Bracchinites are my close seconds to Lodranites. Maybe someday we'll all toast together; and then the big one will approach while we watch. I'm forever facinated by my elusive extended family in meteoritics. -Rick (Richard Montgomery) Just in case the address didn't show up: Richard Montgomery P.O. Box 4505 Davis, CA 95617 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Paired? Is that the wordsorry, couldn't help it. What would it be...trebled.:) On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: So perhaps NWA 5400, NWA 5363 and NWA 6292 may all be paired? Greg S. From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:16:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Peter, thanks for writing. Both 5400 and 6292 deserve attention. Please keep me in the loop whenever any O-analysis happens (like everyone else!)...It is nice to see that this pairing potential is being addressed, at least on a proper level. Sincerely, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet To: Richard Montgomery Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:58 AM Subject: Re: NWA 6292 2.110 gram Dear Rick, many thanks for your payment! Last week, Tony Irving gave the NWA 6292 to a scientist who can analyze O isotopes, so we all look forward to getting more news about this stunning rock! I will bring your meteorite to the post office later today! Thanks again! Peter 2010/8/18 Richard Montgomery : Hello, Peter! Well, it'll be good to side-by-side NWA 5400 and NWA 6292. I just sent you payment via paypal. I'm curious about the 'pairing' debate so figured to see them from all sides. What's your latest perspective on it? Achondrites rock! Bracchinites are my close seconds to Lodranites. Maybe someday we'll all toast together; and then the big one will approach while we watch. I'm forever facinated by my elusive extended family in meteoritics. -Rick (Richard Montgomery) Just in case the address didn't show up: Richard Montgomery P.O. Box 4505 Davis, CA 95617 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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GregS., Lets do not get ahead of ourselves here...again... regarding this issue!(not directing that comment to you directly BTW) As Peter points out, a sample of NWA 6292 was submitted to a qualified lab by Tony Irving to have oxygen analysis performed, results will be forwarded to Peter when the analysis are complete. To this date, nothing is out on NWA 5363 so lets not start that rumor again, in fact, new data is going 'against' NWA 5363 as a 'possible' pairing [to NWA 5400] and other controversy around 'that' material being suspect at best or even exist! Obviously Tony Irving is the world's lead on NWA 5400 so let him and his qualified team do their work. BTW, I will not get sucked into another supposed debate regarding all of this on this List. Let the proper and qualified people do their work without uninformed comment by 'Anyone', trouble-seekers or just downright ill-willed individuals wishing to get in the way this time around regarding any pairing possibilities! Let the truth speak for itself as presented by the qualified team of scientists who are dedicated to performing the necessary work to see if there is more of this material! Do not forget, we waited two years for the qualified scientists to performed multiple and redundatant analysis to come to their conclusions regarding NWA 5400, not the overnight eye-ball method by a few or wishful thinkers for pairings or even the far-out denial comments made by those who are still in the dark regarding current technology and only wish to suggest their unfounded opinions on such a unique meteorite! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: rickm...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; p.mar...@sunrise.ch Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram List: So perhaps NWA 5400, NWA 5363 and NWA 6292 may all be paired? Greg S. From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:16:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram Peter, thanks for writing. Both 5400 and 6292 deserve attention. Please keep me in the loop whenever any O-analysis happens (like everyone else!)...It is nice to see that this pairing potential is being addressed, at least on a proper level. Sincerely, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet To: Richard Montgomery Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:58 AM Subject: Re: NWA 6292 2.110 gram Dear Rick, many thanks for your payment! Last week, Tony Irving gave the NWA 6292 to a scientist who can analyze O isotopes, so we all look forward to getting more news about this stunning rock! I will bring your meteorite to the post office later today! Thanks again! Peter 2010/8/18 Richard Montgomery : Hello, Peter! Well, it'll be good to side-by-side NWA 5400 and NWA 6292. I just sent you payment via paypal. I'm curious about the 'pairing' debate so figured to see them from all sides. What's your latest perspective on it? Achondrites rock! Bracchinites are my close seconds to Lodranites. Maybe someday we'll all toast together; and then the big one will approach while we watch. I'm forever facinated by my elusive extended family in meteoritics. -Rick (Richard Montgomery) Just in case the address didn't show up: Richard Montgomery P.O. Box 4505 Davis, CA 95617 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3082 - Release Date: 08/19/10 14:35:00 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) In a message dated 8/19/2010 5:59:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time, gmh...@htn.net writes: GregS., Lets do not get ahead of ourselves here...again... regarding this issue!(not directing that comment to you directly BTW) As Peter points out, a sample of NWA 6292 was submitted to a qualified lab by Tony Irving to have oxygen analysis performed, results will be forwarded to Peter when the analysis are complete. To this date, nothing is out on NWA 5363 so lets not start that rumor again, in fact, new data is going 'against' NWA 5363 as a 'possible' pairing [to NWA 5400] and other controversy around 'that' material being suspect at best or even exist! Obviously Tony Irving is the world's lead on NWA 5400 so let him and his qualified team do their work. / __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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If someone could please explain this argument to me offlist or onI would be grateful as a buyer. I have noticed the same people jumping in on this argument as though reading until this comes up. I can't figure it out except I know money is involved. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes...I remember that. I felt like apologizing to him, myself. Thanks Carlwe'll get this straightened out tonight. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
I'll tell you right know...I wanted to become a member of IMCA and asked a couple of good friends who agreed. I would no longer belong to this corrupt organization than I would belong to the KKK. What a farce Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate organization for collectors and dealers to gather and exchange. Conflicting interest is a joke heresilence is a plague that I can no longer ignore. Go ahead and grease your pole with silence but it works both ways.you have to live with this bitch...I don't...I'm a buyer and I can buy from anyone. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: Yes...I remember that. I felt like apologizing to him, myself. Thanks Carlwe'll get this straightened out tonight. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
Ok...I've thought about itbitch is not the right word. I apologize for bitch. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:44 PM, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Barry I'm really sad to hear that you think this way. I don't know what has upset you, but you are welcome to your opinions. I don't want to get into a heated discussion with you on this, but Anne is a very pleasant, amicable and generous with her time and knowledge. She asks for nothing and yet gives everything. I don't mind you posting your opinions but I feel you do owe Anne an apology. Enough said. You think about it. Cheers and Best Regards, John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hughes Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:38 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram I'll tell you right know...I wanted to become a member of IMCA and asked a couple of good friends who agreed. I would no longer belong to this corrupt organization than I would belong to the KKK. What a farce Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate organization for collectors and dealers to gather and exchange. Conflicting interest is a joke heresilence is a plague that I can no longer ignore. Go ahead and grease your pole with silence but it works both ways.you have to live with this bitch...I don't...I'm a buyer and I can buy from anyone. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: Yes...I remember that. I felt like apologizing to him, myself. Thanks Carlwe'll get this straightened out tonight. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram
In a message dated 8/19/2010 7:59:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. WRONG: I did say that a piece of NWA 6292 had been sent to Dr. Irving shortly after the Ensisheim Show. Pieces of NWA 5363 were promised to him from various sources, but never received by him. However I now have a firm promise from a very serious dealer who will mail a slice on Monday. Carl, you have some NWA 5363, why don't you help sciences, and offer a piece for study? And for the newcomers, who are not yet aware of the problem, here it is: NWA 5400 is a very unusual brachinite and the only way to know definitely if any other brachinite is truly, really paired with it is by doing an Oxygen-Isotope study. Such extreme measure is rarely needed but it certainly is in this case. And yes, you do have to be patient until it is done.There is no other way. It is a long complex process, we are lucky that Dr. Irving is willing to do that study and to compare the results for all those pieces. Now we must give him whatever amount of time he needs, and yes, wait until it is done. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well put Anne! Thank you for your clarity, and leadership! Paul Martyn, Savannah, GA In a message dated 8/19/2010 10:51:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, impact...@aol.com writes: In a message dated 8/19/2010 7:59:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. WRONG: I did say that a piece of NWA 6292 had been sent to Dr. Irving shortly after the Ensisheim Show. Pieces of NWA 5363 were promised to him from various sources, but never received by him. However I now have a firm promise from a very serious dealer who will mail a slice on Monday. Carl, you have some NWA 5363, why don't you help sciences, and offer a piece for study? And for the newcomers, who are not yet aware of the problem, here it is: NWA 5400 is a very unusual brachinite and the only way to know definitely if any other brachinite is truly, really paired with it is by doing an Oxygen-Isotope study. Such extreme measure is rarely needed but it certainly is in this case. And yes, you do have to be patient until it is done.There is no other way. It is a long complex process, we are lucky that Dr. Irving is willing to do that study and to compare the results for all those pieces. Now we must give him whatever amount of time he needs, and yes, wait until it is done. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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HI Carl. I'm not sure why anyone would be smoking. Specimens were promised, but apparently none have been received. I'm glad to see that Anne can report that new specimens will be donated for study. I did get a chuckled at the assertion that any scientist would expect an apology if anyone has questions about the conclusions of their research. Furthermore, replication of findings is a foundation of all science. One scientist's findings must be reproducible by others. It is unacceptable for any scientist to feel his or her reputation is sufficient for their conclusions to go unchallenged. I would never be insulted if my findings were ever questioned. In fact they are occasionally. That's the nature of my business. I try not to let erroneous data go through but occasionally some bad data does slip through and I fully expect to be questioned about this. Now I want to be clear that I am not suggesting that anyone has submitted bad data in this case, but the meteorites that are being referred to in these threads, if proven to be what they are suspected of being, would be extraordinary. As one great, late astronomer once said, and has often been quoted, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Any and all claims for all of the meteorites in question require rigorous proof and I know no scientist who would insulted by requests for rigorous proofs of any findings, their own or of others. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Barry, I'd advise to you to refrain from attacks like this. Anne is a friend of mine, I for one will not tolerate it! Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: From: Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 9:38 PM I'll tell you right know...I wanted to become a member of IMCA and asked a couple of good friends who agreed. I would no longer belong to this corrupt organization than I would belong to the KKK. What a farce Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate organization for collectors and dealers to gather and exchange. Conflicting interest is a joke heresilence is a plague that I can no longer ignore. Go ahead and grease your pole with silence but it works both ways.you have to live with this bitch...I don't...I'm a buyer and I can buy from anyone. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: Yes...I remember that. I felt like apologizing to him, myself. Thanks Carlwe'll get this straightened out tonight. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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G'Day Barry I'm really sad to hear that you think this way. I don't know what has upset you, but you are welcome to your opinions. I don't want to get into a heated discussion with you on this, but Anne is a very pleasant, amicable and generous with her time and knowledge. She asks for nothing and yet gives everything. I don't mind you posting your opinions but I feel you do owe Anne an apology. Enough said. You think about it. Cheers and Best Regards, John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hughes Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:38 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram I'll tell you right know...I wanted to become a member of IMCA and asked a couple of good friends who agreed. I would no longer belong to this corrupt organization than I would belong to the KKK. What a farce Ann Black has made of a chance for a legitimate organization for collectors and dealers to gather and exchange. Conflicting interest is a joke heresilence is a plague that I can no longer ignore. Go ahead and grease your pole with silence but it works both ways.you have to live with this bitch...I don't...I'm a buyer and I can buy from anyone. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: Yes...I remember that. I felt like apologizing to him, myself. Thanks Carlwe'll get this straightened out tonight. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:59 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Richard, Anne, List, This has a lot of us smoking right now. I am pressing send anyway here. Sorry. The truly sad thing about this is that Anne herself is the one who claimed in an earlier email that Tony did in fact have some of NWA 5363 already. She went on to tell us all to be patient. This after she was made fully aware that Dr Jambon as a qualified scientist, had already confirmed the pairing with NWA 5400. This is his exact quote NWA 5363 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5400 In the same email Dr. Jambon went on to say that; I have been insulted. My Moroccan partners have been insulted too. We all wait for apology. Although at this time I think he might have been referring to Greg. Unless I missed it. Nobody has yet offered any kind of apology or even an explanation of why they would insult him. I can't help but wonder why a board member of the IMCA would continue to insult a very important scientist in our field? It seems to me an IMCA board member would try to do all they can to keep from alienating and insulting our scientists. Anne what if some day the IMCA needs a favor from Dr. Jambon? Did you ever think of that? Sorry Anne but, you are way out of line here because I personally made sure you got a copy of Dr. Jambons email to this list. Look it up yourself in archives from June 23rd, 2010 in an email posted by Zelimer Gabelica with the subject; Pairings to NWA 5400. Or I can email it to you again if you'd like. As far as I am concerned this matter has been settled since that email date and I would like to offer Dr. Jambon my personal apologies for not asking Anne to cool her guns until now. Anne please cool your guns and respect Dr. Jambon's work. It has been stated all along that all of this material originated from Mbarek. There was really no reason to believe it was ever anything but paired. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting Anne. And sad. I was under the impression that he was sent samples of NWA 5363 over two months ago. At least that is what I was assured in a private email by another party. I was hoping to see a satisfactory resolution to this controversy some time soon, but I guess it isn't to be. Ah well. It must have gotten lost in the mail. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/19/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 2.110 gram To: gmh...@htn.net, stanleygr...@hotmail.com, rickm...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, p.mar...@sunrise.ch Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Right. We all need to be patient, and let the experts do their work. However, last time I talked to Tony Irving, he still did not have a specimen of NWA 5363. So if anyone of you would be willing to help be providing a piece of it it certainly would be very nice. It does not need to be a big fragment, a few grams would probably do. And if you do have some NWA 5363, please contact me off List. Thank you. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc_ (http://www.imca.cc
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Peter, thanks for writing. Both 5400 and 6292 deserve attention. Please keep me in the loop whenever any O-analysis happens (like everyone else!)...It is nice to see that this pairing potential is being addressed, at least on a proper level. Sincerely, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet p.mar...@sunrise.ch To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:58 AM Subject: Re: NWA 6292 2.110 gram Dear Rick, many thanks for your payment! Last week, Tony Irving gave the NWA 6292 to a scientist who can analyze O isotopes, so we all look forward to getting more news about this stunning rock! I will bring your meteorite to the post office later today! Thanks again! Peter 2010/8/18 Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net: Hello, Peter! Well, it'll be good to side-by-side NWA 5400 and NWA 6292. I just sent you payment via paypal. I'm curious about the 'pairing' debate so figured to see them from all sides. What's your latest perspective on it? Achondrites rock! Bracchinites are my close seconds to Lodranites. Maybe someday we'll all toast together; and then the big one will approach while we watch. I'm forever facinated by my elusive extended family in meteoritics. -Rick (Richard Montgomery) Just in case the address didn't show up: Richard Montgomery P.O. Box 4505 Davis, CA 95617 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
