Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Martin, list, I was personnaly attacked by the Ps on their web site together with Farmer, Bruno Carine, Dean. Ps had to wipe names after Bruno and Carine fist legal action. They say they have won the case. Humm, I have a copy of the judgment. I must not read properly french, but I understood that they were condamned to several k euros of fine. I understand that in the Ps cosmology when you pay fine , you are a winner . Fair enough to be mentionned. I will not tell what I do to react against this. This a personnal answer to a personnal problem. But many on this list do not want the Ps back in meteorites. Easy: when you order from The Ps, ask for an invoice, and report your transaction to the french administration. It is very easy, one of my very close relatives is in charge of the tax infractions in Grenoble, just were they live. The Ps must know that anytime they make business in meteorites, they are in danger. ( I will forward the invoices or the details of any of your transactions if you need help. ) They must know that no customer is a safe customer. BTW, their libyan meteorites were smuggled through at least 3 borders, their algerian meteorites as well, plus infraction to Algerian Laws. I did not saw these facts in the case against Bruno Carine. The Ps have a very selective memory.They also read all my posts and use them to document their files in the case against BC. But they only take a phrase here and there. To day I must reveal that a laywer receives copy of oll my emails, in their integrity, just in case. I am a professinnal dealer. I have the means of my politics and I do protect myself. I must also reveal that I have the best connexions in the administration of 2 large saharan countries, just say algeria and mauritania. This is not a personnal warning. Just facts. Please Bernd ask for your invoice to the Ps. Bernd you must know that a professionnal dealer with a business licence pays taxes and all sorts of things. Ps sell meteorites twice the price you should pay. When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! Ask for the discount today. Best regards Michel - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Now Bernd you're really surprising me, you as a person of keen intellect. We had here and frequently have the revely of the Hupes, Farmer, Bessey, yip and also Matteo et.al. with sometimes unpicturesque expressions and boring recurrent litanies, but don't you see, that this accusations of that Pellisons have a fundamentally different quality? Read their pages, about NWAs and terrorism. Can you find there any hard proof or even only a hint which could manifest their allegations? I can't. I'm really not interested in the motives, what those person intend with this tirades and unbacked claims, although it is quite obvious, but what are they doing? They use the current discourses and especially the paranoia with the islamic terrorism (which seems to be most wide spread in USA, where the most and wealthiest collectors by the way are living) to discredit and to ruin their possible competitors as FectayBidet, Hupes, Bessey, Farmer, Franco, Ralew, Hmani, Habibi, Cimala, and all, who ever got a NWA in their fingers. This is the evident intention, not even very far behind the curtains - and, that what might be more important for you, they imply with this webpage, and this directly in the center on the stage, that you, Bernd Pauli, who possesses at least one NWA not bought from them, maintained with the purchases of those stones murderous, inhuman terrorism. (In my eyes a somewhat impolite way to speak about his own clients). This is the quality of their statements. Read it by your own. You may take it for the usual rants between jealous dealers, I for my own am Martin Altmann and a collector and certainly not in a need nor in the mood to be discredited and libelled by such persons with low attitude and of doubtfull character to have supported criminals in owning a NWA meteorite. You may going on buying from those persons, I for my part , if I won't find here a personal apology to me here on the list or a proof for their statements, will recommend to the 500+ collectors, whit whom I traded and dealt meteorites until know, to avoid to buy from the Pellisons. And so should anyone from this list do in my eyes, as we had this issue several months before on that list here and since then, those subjects were not able to add any proof to their website nor took it offline. My opinion. Martin PS: Am I allowed too, Bernd, to call you from now an a supporter of terrorism? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Mike
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Hello All, The name Pelisson reminds me of Pelican here in Florida, a bird that sits, sh_ts and waits for the next opportunity to grab something. These freaks are just in this for the attention, they grabbed it, now they will have to deal with it, grease included! I find the cartoons somewhat comical - Mark, do not peruse this line of comedy however! ;-) Not being a terrorist, I am sometimes terrorized by the occasional memory of the Denver Death Cookie event of 2003! Hey Mark, Blake how about y'all?(me learning southern drawl)? ;-) Greg - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Richard and Roland Pelisson, All, Richard and Roland Pelisson wrote: And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? This is ridiculous - I explained it in my initial post to the list. Once again, for your records, I wrote: I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. It's not that unusual that list members have problems to get through, directly, and it's a very poor argument to create the impression as if Bruno Carine were hiding behind my emails/name - I posted this on their behalf and in their name, and that's as good as if they had posted it themselves. There, here you go... Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. Some things might be legal, but that doesn't make them legitimate, nor ethical. You started the whole argument about money for terrorism, and now you have the nerve to tell us to return to our passion, as if nothing had happened? Come on! If you have ANY hard proof that ANY NWA funds were used to support terrorism, or Islamistic networks, go ahead and forward it to this list, NOW. If you don't have such hard proof, please go ahead and DELETE your most disgusting page, ASAP, and stop playing games with us. It will be then that I can return to my passion, and this has absolutely nothing to do with decissions in court, but just with common sense, and basic ethics. 'nough said, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Having a hard time deciding who has more a authority... a French Court or the security cops down at the mall I guess I would pick the mall. One thing certain, I will purchase all the NWA's I can get my hands on, except any one that a Pelisson would make a profit on.. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:24 PM To: Norbert Classen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hello All, The name Pelisson reminds me of Pelican here in Florida, a bird that sits, sh_ts and waits for the next opportunity to grab something. These freaks are just in this for the attention, they grabbed it, now they will have to deal with it, grease included! I find the cartoons somewhat comical - Mark, do not peruse this line of comedy however! ;-) Not being a terrorist, I am sometimes terrorized by the occasional memory of the Denver Death Cookie event of 2003! Hey Mark, Blake how about y'all?(me learning southern drawl)? ;-) Greg - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Richard and Roland Pelisson, All, Richard and Roland Pelisson wrote: And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? This is ridiculous - I explained it in my initial post to the list. Once again, for your records, I wrote: I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. It's not that unusual that list members have problems to get through, directly, and it's a very poor argument to create the impression as if Bruno Carine were hiding behind my emails/name - I posted this on their behalf and in their name, and that's as good as if they had posted it themselves. There, here you go... Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. Some things might be legal, but that doesn't make them legitimate, nor ethical. You started the whole argument about money for terrorism, and now you have the nerve to tell us to return to our passion, as if nothing had happened? Come on! If you have ANY hard proof that ANY NWA funds were used to support terrorism, or Islamistic networks, go ahead and forward it to this list, NOW. If you don't have such hard proof, please go ahead and DELETE your most disgusting page, ASAP, and stop playing games with us. It will be then that I can return to my passion, and this has absolutely nothing to do with decissions in court, but just with common sense, and basic ethics. 'nough said, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Are they stupid? I think if they succeed and they are the only ones getting them, their business will go down the tubes fast! I really don't think any self respecting collector would buy anything from them. I know there are a few that would, but not enough to keep them in business. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below. BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly. If you want to take action, please contact Bruno Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways. They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism. Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks.. Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias... What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful hobby we share: meteorites. As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the way they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names and mails too We stay available if you need further advices. Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware of what is going on. Sincerely, Bruno Carine La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite impact craters This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are being supported by you meteorite buyers. In court in France my own name was used in French court along with my postings to this list as evidence that I stated terrorists were being supported by our meteorite buys. Now I ask every member of this list? Where in the archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada is supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and efforts to
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
How outrageous - Original Message - From: Tom AKA James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Are they stupid? I think if they succeed and they are the only ones getting them, their business will go down the tubes fast! I really don't think any self respecting collector would buy anything from them. I know there are a few that would, but not enough to keep them in business. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below. BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly. If you want to take action, please contact Bruno Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways. They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism. Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks.. Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias... What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful hobby we share: meteorites. As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the way they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names and mails too We stay available if you need further advices. Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware of what is going on. Sincerely, Bruno Carine La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite impact craters This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are being supported by you meteorite buyers. In court in France my own name was used in French court along with my postings to this list as evidence that I stated terrorists were being
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Should I be flattered...? :-P I had always thought I was a very small fish in a big pond, but now I'm up there with the big boys. I've never traveled abroad to buy meteorites, nor have I bought them on any trip, although I was tempted by some fragments in Australia about 15 years ago. Apologies to anyone who uses homeopathic medicine, but there is about as much relationship between meteorites and terrorism as there is between the active ingredient in a homeopathic remedy and the actual administered dose. The burden of proof being on the accuser, I'd like to see them verify that I have supported terrorist activities with my miniscule meteorite purchases. HA! Somewhat irate, Tracy Latimer They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism. Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks.. Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias... What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful hobby we share: meteorites. As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the way they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names and mails too We stay available if you need further advices. Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware of what is going on. Sincerely, Bruno Carine La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below. BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly. If you want to take action, please contact Bruno Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways. They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism. Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks.. Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias... What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful hobby we share: meteorites. As your names and private emails
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Am Freitag, 3. Dezember 2004 23:30 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We hope that everybody can return to his passion. Certainly, if you would please leave us terrorism-supporters alone to plan the next attack on mankind. Thank you. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Norbert and list I find this simply amazing. To think that someone would stoope to such to further their own cause only brings to mind that those who complain the most have something to hide. Maybe a flurry of mail to the French Govenment informing them of the wild goose chase these people are leading the French courts on should begin. I have no doubt that the NSA is aware of such doings and travels of the North American dealers and if there was a problem with what they were doing and whom they were dealing with, the FBI or Canada's equivilent, would have been knocking on their doors a long time ago. After 9-11, you can bet any travel to countries which are predominantly Muslim would have been scrutinized. These Pellisson's are heading for a long hard term in jail I'm sure. Thanks for allowing us to know of these going ons Norbert, Bruno and Carine. Mark F. - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi Bernd, and All, I can assure you that this is no joke - I never would joke around with these things, and neither would Bruno Carine. Have a look at the Pellisons website, and now imagine that they are selling this crap to the media, and to institutions that know nothing about meteorites, such as customs, and other authorities. Just figure... the media usually don't give a damn about a bunch of peaceful collectors who are just enjoying their hobby, but then, if these people can be blamed to fund terrorism they suddenly get attractive - you know the story. What the Pellisons are claiming is that everybody who has ever baught a NWA meteorite, conciously or unconciously supports Islamistic terrorism. Of course, WE know that this is total nonsense, but the media, and even courts can be fooled, so beware of the beginnings. Best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- An irate Tracy wrote: Should I be flattered...? :-P Maybe flattened by outrageous accusations. What a difference just one letter makes ;-) Bernd (also enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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H. Maybe an apology is in order. Are you saying that Bruno and Carine is full of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that you have never said that meteorites are being used to support terrorism? Has bruno faked that part of what appears to be your website and saying that it is from you? And can you confirm that you have not used my name or anything that I wrote publicly or privately in french court or media to support this ridiculous claim that deset nomads are somehow supporting al quida which you know as well as anybody is not true? Can you confirm that my name was never used in french court and if it was can you spell out exactly by whom and in what context? (Sorry my french is non existant so I need an english translation). Since we are trying to be civil please answer those questions in a straitforward manner for me. I think everybody else on this list would appriciate the honest answer also so as to clear up any misunderstandings about the rumours that has been flying around. Sincerely DEAN BESSEY --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below. BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly. If you want to take action, please contact Bruno Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways. They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to
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Mr Pellison, why is it that your website claims that everyone is supporting terrorism? You are a F^$^%$ ASSHOLE. How is that for simple statements. You have made claims about me, and I take that seriously. Now piss off you piece of crap. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below. BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly. If you want to take action, please contact Bruno Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways. They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism. Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks.. Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain
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Mark , you are not far off the truth. After 30 trips to Morocco, 3 to Oman and United Arab Emirates, and sending over $100,000 to Morocco by Western Union, I have been questioned by the US government, told them the truth, showed them what I do, and they don't have the slightest problem with it. Mike Farmer These guys (Pellisons) will go to any length to try and sell their overpriced meteorites. - Original Message - From: MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteor list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi Norbert and list I find this simply amazing. To think that someone would stoope to such to further their own cause only brings to mind that those who complain the most have something to hide. Maybe a flurry of mail to the French Govenment informing them of the wild goose chase these people are leading the French courts on should begin. I have no doubt that the NSA is aware of such doings and travels of the North American dealers and if there was a problem with what they were doing and whom they were dealing with, the FBI or Canada's equivilent, would have been knocking on their doors a long time ago. After 9-11, you can bet any travel to countries which are predominantly Muslim would have been scrutinized. These Pellisson's are heading for a long hard term in jail I'm sure. Thanks for allowing us to know of these going ons Norbert, Bruno and Carine. Mark F. - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi Bernd, and All, I can assure you that this is no joke - I never would joke around with these things, and neither would Bruno Carine. Have a look at the Pellisons website, and now imagine that they are selling this crap to the media, and to institutions that know nothing about meteorites, such as customs, and other authorities. Just figure... the media usually don't give a damn about a bunch of peaceful collectors who are just enjoying their hobby, but then, if these people can be blamed to fund terrorism they suddenly get attractive - you know the story. What the Pellisons are claiming is that everybody who has ever baught a NWA meteorite, conciously or unconciously supports Islamistic terrorism. Of course, WE know that this is total nonsense, but the media, and even courts can be fooled, so beware of the beginnings. Best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- An irate Tracy wrote: Should I be flattered...? :-P Maybe flattened by outrageous accusations. What a difference just one letter makes ;-) Bernd (also enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. In my opinion, these guys are making claims that I support Al Queda. I don't like that, and since they refuse to stop, I certainly will not be inviting them to Christmas dinner at my house. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Mike wrote: Mr Pellison, why is it that your website claims that everyone is supporting terrorism? ... How is that for simple statements. You have made claims ... about me, and I take that seriously. I do not know what is going on behind the curtains but there are some recent comments from Mike that keep haunting my brain. So sad but so true: reality is less than perfect ... Still hoping there is a chain reaction of misunderstandings as my personal contacts with the Pellissons have been absolutely free of animosities ! Best, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well, it sure seems very very funny to me to type in NWA and Terrorism, and get the google information that points truth to what Bruno says. Deal with that issue, remove the crap from google would be my next request, you seem to be a dishonest person D Freeman (who finances world freedom to squash jerks who lie cheat and steal) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below. BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly. If you want to take action, please contact Bruno Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways. They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!! Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for money for terrorism and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place see it here: http://www.google.fr/search?hl=frq=%22money+for+terrorism%22meta= They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them. You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys. Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism. Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks.. Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network for funding Al Queda and
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Now Bernd you're really surprising me, you as a person of keen intellect. We had here and frequently have the revely of the Hupes, Farmer, Bessey, yip and also Matteo et.al. with sometimes unpicturesque expressions and boring recurrent litanies, but don't you see, that this accusations of that Pellisons have a fundamentally different quality? Read their pages, about NWAs and terrorism. Can you find there any hard proof or even only a hint which could manifest their allegations? I can't. I'm really not interested in the motives, what those person intend with this tirades and unbacked claims, although it is quite obvious, but what are they doing? They use the current discourses and especially the paranoia with the islamic terrorism (which seems to be most wide spread in USA, where the most and wealthiest collectors by the way are living) to discredit and to ruin their possible competitors as FectayBidet, Hupes, Bessey, Farmer, Franco, Ralew, Hmani, Habibi, Cimala, and all, who ever got a NWA in their fingers. This is the evident intention, not even very far behind the curtains - and, that what might be more important for you, they imply with this webpage, and this directly in the center on the stage, that you, Bernd Pauli, who possesses at least one NWA not bought from them, maintained with the purchases of those stones murderous, inhuman terrorism. (In my eyes a somewhat impolite way to speak about his own clients). This is the quality of their statements. Read it by your own. You may take it for the usual rants between jealous dealers, I for my own am Martin Altmann and a collector and certainly not in a need nor in the mood to be discredited and libelled by such persons with low attitude and of doubtfull character to have supported criminals in owning a NWA meteorite. You may going on buying from those persons, I for my part , if I won't find here a personal apology to me here on the list or a proof for their statements, will recommend to the 500+ collectors, whit whom I traded and dealt meteorites until know, to avoid to buy from the Pellisons. And so should anyone from this list do in my eyes, as we had this issue several months before on that list here and since then, those subjects were not able to add any proof to their website nor took it offline. My opinion. Martin PS: Am I allowed too, Bernd, to call you from now an a supporter of terrorism? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Mike wrote: Mr Pellison, why is it that your website claims that everyone is supporting terrorism? ... How is that for simple statements. You have made claims ... about me, and I take that seriously. I do not know what is going on behind the curtains but there are some recent comments from Mike that keep haunting my brain. So sad but so true: reality is less than perfect ... Still hoping there is a chain reaction of misunderstandings as my personal contacts with the Pellissons have been absolutely free of animosities ! Best, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hola Martin, Out of complete and utter ignorance, I have no opinion of this latest wierd shennanigans on the list about legal crap and the desert. But if a meteorite hit Mr. Osama on the head, it would more than pay for the 25 million because everyone would through ethics out the window and want a piece of it. Meanwhile, I can't even afford one Pellison stone I think. The claims are so outrageous on both sides that I hink the France authorities are not so foolish to participate in a conspiracy to destroy the passion of meteorite enthusiasm...I hope someone out here in listland feels they are learning something worthwhile with this tribunal, and website complaints (if you don't like it, send it to the ISP) and, he said she said he`s pissed you`re pissed match. I do wish that the list weren`t be used as a lynch mob launching base, even though a few do deserve some slaps and more on the wrist and so what I do get a devilish smile seeing it sometimes when I ought to be looking at my meteoritic material and learning something interesting. Too bad the list is the sole source meteorite corrupting influence in life :( at the moment, besides the good stuff, while I do my best to appreciate my little meteorite examples and wear out the Blood delete key. So now I see that the counterparts in enchanting France can get every bit and more down and dirty and vicious as the dealers in the USA under this stupid dealer war crap. SSDD, different country different players, same effect, go get'm in private and sell tickets to the latest slaughter round, I say and may the best folks purify the world and win once and for all!!Saludos, Doug PS, Martin, I like your posts a lot, and I mean it, and I also appreciate the perspectives you sometimes come up with, and I don't have a cat to talk to and it is rainy and just got cold in Mexico here now so maybe you can relate and I can`t go in the field tomorrow...so maybe I`ll start some creative writing in English trials on the list to provide alternative entertainment even if it as frequently at the author's expense. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Doug; LIke you said in your first sentence...I have no opinion of this OK, I believe you! :-) :-D Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Martin, Out of complete and utter ignorance, I have no opinion of this latest wierd shennanigans on the list about legal crap and the desert. But if a meteorite hit Mr. Osama on the head, it would more than pay for the 25 million because everyone would through ethics out the window and want a piece of it. Meanwhile, I can't even afford one Pellison stone I think. The claims are so outrageous on both sides that I hink the France authorities are not so foolish to participate in a conspiracy to destroy the passion of meteorite enthusiasm...I hope someone out here in listland feels they are learning something worthwhile with this tribunal, and website complaints (if you don't like it, send it to the ISP) and, he said she said he`s pissed you`re pissed match. I do wish that the list weren`t be used as a lynch mob launching base, even though a few do deserve some slaps and more on the wrist and so what I do get a devilish smile seeing it sometimes when I ought to be looking at my meteoritic material and learning something interesting. Too bad the list is the sole source meteorite corrupting influence in life :( at the moment, besides the good stuff, while I do my best to appreciate my little meteorite examples and wear out the Blood delete key. So now I see that the counterparts in enchanting France can get every bit and more down and dirty and vicious as the dealers in the USA under this stupid dealer war crap. SSDD, different country different players, same effect, go get'm in private and sell tickets to the latest slaughter round, I say and may the best folks purify the world and win once and for all!!Saludos, Doug PS, Martin, I like your posts a lot, and I mean it, and I also appreciate the perspectives you sometimes come up with, and I don't have a cat to talk to and it is rainy and just got cold in Mexico here now so maybe you can relate and I can`t go in the field tomorrow...so maybe I`ll start some creative writing in English trials on the list to provide alternative entertainment even if it as frequently at the author's expense. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Part 1.2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 7bit __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Holler Doug, I'm joining this list for not so long time, perhaps since 2 years? And found this kind of threads of Stop this, I have the ps I can't write here, or I tell it to my Mommy more or less amusing (with the time: less) and can imagine, that theese may be sometimes enlightning for the collectors, f.e. when the dealers put each other their buying prices in the pipe for smoking it. But this now with Pellisons? Never saw something so rotten before in the meteorite section. It's not about France - btw. whenever I see Mrs Chirac holding a speech, I fell remembered to the unique Louis de Funes (did someone else noticed this? His gesture, his facial expressions, his intonation...). And I don't speak French, was a lazy pupil... Uuuuh, how painful, in my last email I really wrote Bidet, my apology, it's late here...Bidaut I wanted to write.Sorry. This has another dimension to me and I take it for personal, although I'm almost not dealing with NWAs and my collection is archconservative, observed falls only. Would be the same, if I once would travel to Thailand for a beach holiday or to visit Oliver's Aid project, which he hopefully will be able to errect with your partial help in buying his superare and great Chiang Khan specimens: http://www.meteorite-oliver.com/index.html Gosh, there is no other source for this rare fall, the price is now in my eyes to low, the specimens have good black crust, not so brown as it seems on the pictures with artificial light, they are still amazingly fresh, I have them all here. No material will come up more, Thailand is empty. Xmas is coming and the sale is for charity. Take a look, Allan Lang find his 5.3g individual (not buyed from Oliver, but only to express the rarity) well worth to be exposed on his online museum, nor could I find Chiang Khan in the Killgore's great picture book... where we are? Yes, if I thus would travel to Thailand, I don't want to read the next day in the newspaper or at the Pellisons' homepage, that I'm a sex-tourist, who supports the exploition of children. This, what the Pellisons stated, seems to me really remarkably mean. Far from the common rants. And I'm far from starting an unreflected fast clamour for a boycott ( in Germany we should have a special sensivity for not doing so for historical reasons), as we had this Pellison case months ago on this list, but since they owed any proof of their accusations. Thus I asked again for facts, otherwise they should apology and remove the page. You've to think, that in the very recent times so many new collectors come against the meteorites, who can't survey or have no ideas about the Mahgreb market. I try my best and spend a lot of time to instruct them and to show them the fascinating aspects of those stones, but what will they think of me, if they read this Pellison conspiracy crap and take it for real? I swapped and sold some few NWAs also to rookies. Shall I let me call a supporter of criminals? That's why I need a personal apology by the Pellisons. It's a pitty, they have a beautiful homepage with interesting pictures, features and stories and I even can understand, that their meteorites are very expensive, as to go to hunt by one's own, to get the stuff classified, to care for proper find documentation is by far the hardest approach to this business, much harder than to jet to Morocco and just to buy, what lies on the tables there and at the actual price level it's almost impossible to get back even the cost of the expeditions, if you'll sell at ebay prices or if you won't have the luck to discover a really rare type (and there are by far less to find, as one could have the impression with all the paired or unknown paired NWAs) but this is no reason for displace competitors in trying to criminalize them and to draw a grotesque image of them in public. That is different from the usual pingpong on the list here and no fun anymore. Sleepily yours Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hola Martin, Out of complete and utter ignorance, I have no opinion of this latest wierd shennanigans on the list about legal crap and the desert. But if a meteorite hit Mr. Osama on the head, it would more than pay for the 25 million because everyone would through ethics out the window and want a piece of it. Meanwhile, I can't even afford one Pellison stone I think. The claims are so outrageous on both sides that I hink the France authorities are not so foolish to participate in a conspiracy to destroy the passion of meteorite enthusiasm...I hope someone out here in listland feels they are learning something worthwhile with this tribunal, and website complaints (if you don't like it, send it to the ISP) and, he said she said he`s pissed you`re pissed match. I do wish that the list
