Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Hello Serge, Dirk, Martin, List, Serge, this is exactly what I contemplated as I posted the unlikely chain of events in this thread surrounding DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) chondrites, regarding the fantasy tale about NomCom. Your account sheds some very good background! I think what would be grand is for Vernadsky to examine DASHOGUZ and for NAU to examine KUNYA-URGENCH in comparisons (if they haven't already), and to comment on any qualitative differences in shock stages. Also whoever bought the main mass of DASHOGUZ, it would be very educational to hear their first hand version as the account in the meteoritical bulletin is rather weak and seems odd to the uninitiated why the NomCom would have allowed this to be a witnessed fall if it was found several weeks later as stated. They always are pressured to make these hard calls as they can't sit on the fence. While plenty of falls are found later and certified as falls a la Millbillillie, others are not due to sometimes stricter criteria, so it would be very satisfying in this case to have a little more detail on what motivated this decision (have a newspaper or something that mention at least a little bit of thunder accompanying the fireball). Best wishes and Good Health, Doug - Original Message - From: meteor a To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g. Kim Jong-il, but in the row of dictators a Lukashenko is a choir boy in comparision. That man was mentally insane. I've some hundred grams of his Sapamurat Turkmenbashi H5 left. Small rusty fragments. But I will store them a few years, as they are still suffering from the Russian disease and underrated. Yep it has 1ton tkw, but 1ton of that 1ton is a single stone. No supply anymore
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) sorry if you didn't pick this up in context but it is my typo should be: DASHOGUZ (H5 S3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 S2) Best, Doug - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Hello Serge, Dirk, Martin, List, Serge, this is exactly what I contemplated as I posted the unlikely chain of events in this thread surrounding DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) chondrites, regarding the fantasy tale about NomCom. Your account sheds some very good background! I think what would be grand is for Vernadsky to examine DASHOGUZ and for NAU to examine KUNYA-URGENCH in comparisons (if they haven't already), and to comment on any qualitative differences in shock stages. Also whoever bought the main mass of DASHOGUZ, it would be very educational to hear their first hand version as the account in the meteoritical bulletin is rather weak and seems odd to the uninitiated why the NomCom would have allowed this to be a witnessed fall if it was found several weeks later as stated. They always are pressured to make these hard calls as they can't sit on the fence. While plenty of falls are found later and certified as falls a la Millbillillie, others are not due to sometimes stricter criteria, so it would be very satisfying in this case to have a little more detail on what motivated this decision (have a newspaper or something that mention at least a little bit of thunder accompanying the fireball). Best wishes and Good Health, Doug - Original Message - From: meteor a To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
You know, I have no memory of ever worrying about this possible pairing on the NomCom. It's possible it slipped through the cracks (either the committee's or my mind's). In any event, if somebody made a strong argument on chemical/petrologic/isotopic grounds that they are the same, given the circumstances, the NomCom could take up the question of whether to abolish the name Dashoguz. Somebody is going to have to make the case to us first. Similar things have happened in the past, when we abolished the names Guenie, Fuc Bin, and a few others. jeff At 03:21 PM 4/8/2007, MexicoDoug wrote: DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) sorry if you didn't pick this up in context but it is my typo should be: DASHOGUZ (H5 S3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 S2) Best, Doug - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Hello Serge, Dirk, Martin, List, Serge, this is exactly what I contemplated as I posted the unlikely chain of events in this thread surrounding DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) chondrites, regarding the fantasy tale about NomCom. Your account sheds some very good background! I think what would be grand is for Vernadsky to examine DASHOGUZ and for NAU to examine KUNYA-URGENCH in comparisons (if they haven't already), and to comment on any qualitative differences in shock stages. Also whoever bought the main mass of DASHOGUZ, it would be very educational to hear their first hand version as the account in the meteoritical bulletin is rather weak and seems odd to the uninitiated why the NomCom would have allowed this to be a witnessed fall if it was found several weeks later as stated. They always are pressured to make these hard calls as they can't sit on the fence. While plenty of falls are found later and certified as falls a la Millbillillie, others are not due to sometimes stricter criteria, so it would be very satisfying in this case to have a little more detail on what motivated this decision (have a newspaper or something that mention at least a little bit of thunder accompanying the fireball). Best wishes and Good Health, Doug - Original Message - From: meteor a To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g. Kim Jong-il, but in the row of dictators a Lukashenko is a choir boy in comparision. That man was mentally insane. I've some hundred grams of his Sapamurat Turkmenbashi H5 left. Small rusty fragments. But I will store them a few years, as they are still suffering from the Russian disease and underrated. Yep it has 1ton tkw, but 1ton of that 1ton is a single stone. No supply anymore. Happy those, who bought in time! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 04:31 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Dear Listees, I just noticed Mike offered up for sale a meteorite from Turkmenistan, beautiful! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170095403910 DASHOGUZ (H5) fall, 1998. This would appear to be the fresh good stuff recovered by Kakabay Annaniyazov around the rim of the crater as everything in the crater was apparently terribly oxidized officially with a total of only 7kg. While NAU only has 21 grams for classification the rest seems to be in the hands of an anonymous private collector. Check out this little gem that coincidentally came into my inbox (embellished only slightly): On June 20, 1998, the eve of the anniversary of the democratic authoritarian head of state of Turkmenistan was to celebrate the anniversary of his rise to power on June 21 (Summer Solstice). By decree, a meteorite fell on his country on that day to herald in the celebration - weighing well over a metric ton! A diehard meteorite devotee, the kingly leader thought, ... This one has my name all over it. He then decreed that the meteorite would be named His Excellency, World Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov, after himself. We better know this meteorite as KUNYA-URGENCH (H5), as the Nomenclature Committee did not respect his wishes
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g. Kim Jong-il, but in the row of dictators a Lukashenko is a choir boy in comparision. That man was mentally insane. I've some hundred grams of his Sapamurat Turkmenbashi H5 left. Small rusty fragments. But I will store them a few years, as they are still suffering from the Russian disease and underrated. Yep it has 1ton tkw, but 1ton of that 1ton is a single stone. No supply anymore. Happy those, who bought in time! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 04:31 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Dear Listees, I just noticed Mike offered up for sale a meteorite from Turkmenistan, beautiful! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170095403910 DASHOGUZ (H5) fall, 1998. This would appear to be the fresh good stuff recovered by Kakabay Annaniyazov around the rim of the crater as everything in the crater was apparently terribly oxidized officially with a total of only 7kg. While NAU only has 21 grams for classification the rest seems to be in the hands of an anonymous private collector. Check out this little gem that coincidentally came into my inbox (embellished only slightly): On June 20, 1998, the eve of the anniversary of the democratic authoritarian head of state of Turkmenistan was to celebrate the anniversary of his rise to power on June 21 (Summer Solstice). By decree, a meteorite fell on his country on that day to herald in the celebration - weighing well over a metric ton! A diehard meteorite devotee, the kingly leader thought, ... This one has my name all over it. He then decreed that the meteorite would be named His Excellency, World Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov, after himself. We better know this meteorite as KUNYA-URGENCH (H5), as the Nomenclature Committee did not respect his wishes with official status. It was then decreed in some circles underground, that members of said committee would have their tongues cut out if they ever set foot in Turkmenistan looking for meteorites. The King emphasized this point by commanding a repeat occurrence for collectors. Sure enough, on September 5, 1998, two and a half months later, another H5 fell which was named DASHOGUZ, just 50 kilometers away from the original. The British Museum then was rumored to diplomatically motion for the tongues of its colleagues by making Turkmenbashy (=Great Leader of the Turkmens) a synonym in the style of Alexander the Great, using his first name: also known as: Saparmurat Turkmenbashy (Saparmurat the Great Leader of the Turkmens). And that official synonym, given the nod by Turkmen scientists for the original Turkmenbashy fall, continues today. His Excellency, Great Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov unfortunately joined the stars from whence he came officially around the Winter Solstice (December 21, 2006). It is an interesting footnote that those are the only two witnessed falls ever recorded for Turkmenistan :-) The new President of Turkmenistan is: Gurbanguly Mälikgulyýewiç Berdimuhammedow soon maybe to add Turkmenbashy. The grapevine has it he may also command a meteorite fall in his name to consolidate rule in this challenging resource rich country - and his is rumored to be the son of Turkmenbashy. Best Health and Best Wishes, Doug
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls not in their words
Dear Altman Martin and Doug Mexico and LIST, The 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called the megalomaniac dictator; you forget to mention. Nyjazov wrote the incredible rubbish often described as a pseudo-religious book. The examinee seeking a diploma, being able to recite the word content word for word, would have not understood the subject or the context of Nyjazov`s content. In TV shows his people danced around his book (even though his book was banned in libraries world-wide and yet he refused to accept the fact that they rejected the copies that he presented them). A golden statue of himself, in the capital, set to rotate with the sun always shining on his face was erected. All months were officially re-defined by him; even one is named after his mother! Song contests were frequently arranged with the requirement that all lyrics were to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Even after some time he was bored and did not attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpass that was built, in which every citizen by law had to avoid, to avoid disturbing HIM just in case his car should pass. Note: Tired! He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thank God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g. Kim Jong-il, but in the row of dictators a Lukashenko is a choirboy in comparision. That man was mentally insane unlike George Bush who is just a plain stupid idiot and a fascist pig. I've some hundred grams of his Sapamurat Turkmenbashi H5 left. Small rusty fragments. But I will store them a few years, as they are still suffering from the Russian disease and under-rated. Yep, it has 1ton tkw, but 1ton of that 1ton is a single stone. No supply anymore. Happy those, who bought in time! Buckleboo! Martin -UrsprEgliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 04:31 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Dear Listees, I just noticed Mike offered up for sale a meteorite from Turkmenistan, beautiful! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170095403910 DASHOGUZ (H5) fall, 1998. This would appear to be the fresh good stuff recovered by Kakabay Annaniyazov around the rim of the crater as everything in the crater was apparently terribly oxidized officially with a total of only 7kg. While NAU only has 21 grams for classification the rest seems to be in the hands of an anonymous private collector. Check out this little gem that coincidentally came into my inbox (embellished only slightly): On June 20, 1998, the eve of the anniversary of the democratic authoritarian head of state of Turkmenistan was to celebrate the anniversary of his rise to power on June 21 (Summer Solstice). By decree, a meteorite fell on his country on that day to herald in the celebration - weighing well over a metric ton! A diehard meteorite devotee, the kingly leader thought, ... This one has my name all over it. He then decreed that the meteorite would be named His Excellency, World Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov, after himself. We better know this meteorite as KUNYA-URGENCH (H5), as the Nomenclature Committee did not respect his wishes with official status. It was then decreed in some circles underground, that members of said committee would have their tongues cut out if they ever set foot in Turkmenistan looking for meteorites. The King emphasized this point by commanding a repeat occurrence for collectors. Sure enough, on September 5, 1998, two and a half months later, another H5 fell which was named DASHOGUZ, just 50 kilometers away from the original. The British Museum then was rumored to diplomatically motion for the tongues of its colleagues by making Turkmenbashy (=Great Leader of the Turkmens) a synonym in the style of Alexander the Great, using his first name: also known as: Saparmurat Turkmenbashy (Saparmurat the Great Leader of the Turkmens). And that official synonym, given the nod by Turkmen scientists for the original Turkmenbashy fall, continues today. His Excellency, Great Leader of Turkmens and President Saparmurat Atayevich Niyazov unfortunately joined the stars from whence he came officially around the Winter Solstice (December 21, 2006). It is an interesting footnote that those are the only two witnessed falls ever recorded for Turkmenistan :-) The new President of Turkmenistan is: Gurbanguly MälikgulyýewiEBerdimuhammedow soon maybe to add Turkmenbashy. The grapevine has it he may also command a meteorite fall in his name to consolidate rule
