Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats
Awesome! I wrote a stylesheet for NetNewsWire (FactoryLegible). I have the X-Ray bookmarklet embedded, but think it'd be cool if there were contacts or events embedded in the page, I could pull them out and make them extractable. I'd love some help adding support for these plugins to my stylesheet -- anyone want to help? Also, with a bookmarklet, how do you generate an in-page downloadable VCF file? Chris On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next downloadable version of Cognition (downloadable as against the web service) will include four plugins for NNW which do the following: hCard -- Address Book hCalendar -- iCal hAudio-- iTunes (all) -- RDF/XML in default text editor This uses NNW's scripting facility, so it sadly can't include any GUI icons to indicate the presence of any such data in the feed. (A custom NNW stylesheet could be used to indicate the presence of microformats though. Anyone want to design one?) -- Toby A Inkster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tobyinkster.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large factoryjoe.com # diso-project.org citizenagency.com # vidoop.com This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats
IMHO, what this highlights is the need to push adoption of plugins that make it easier to publish microformatted html in blog posts and such. A few of us who write posts by hand, have no problem sprinkling microformats in our posts, but to become common place, we need to have the mainstream bloggers using this... and this calls for widgets that help publishing microformats. http://microformats.org/wiki/wordpress-plugins good point - I remember seeing the Structured Blogging plugin for Wordpress a few years ago ... I'll have to check out some of those others.. ..maybe something could be ported to other popular CMS (eg Drupal, Xoops, Joomla, phpBB, etc)? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-June/009777.html But now, turns out that future versions of NNW will no longer support microformat detection: http://microformatique.com/?p=266 http://inessential.com/?comments=1postid=3514 Judging from discussions around this decision (on a private mailing list), there seems to be little real value from this feature in NetNewsWire, a very popular feed reader for the Mac. On the one hand, it's hard to argue with the detractors who point out that there's actually little microformatted content in feeds (NNW only detects hcalendar and hcard -- the most widely deployed microformats) and that even when such content shows up, adding hcards to your address book, or clicking the Add to Calendar button provided by NNW is hardly beneficial when feeds that have an iCal equivalent either tack it on as an enclosure or link off to a remotely hosted .ics file... basically making the embedded hcalendar redundant (though arguably still best practice). but removing it? ... how about giving the users a choice of whether to use this feature? btw I've seen a lot more hCalendar items in RSS feeds than I have seen iCal links in enclosures. I don't think having to fetch another file for each event just to get the date of the event is a good solution! ... and what if someone wants to mark up the city/country where the event is happening? ... in hCalendar it can be done by using hCard/adr/geo inside location but can anything like that be done in iCal? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats
IMHO, what this highlights is the need to push adoption of plugins that make it easier to publish microformatted html in blog posts and such. A few of us who write posts by hand, have no problem sprinkling microformats in our posts, but to become common place, we need to have the mainstream bloggers using this... and this calls for widgets that help publishing microformats. http://microformats.org/wiki/wordpress-plugins -- André Luís On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 12:12 PM, MichaelMD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-June/009777.html But now, turns out that future versions of NNW will no longer support microformat detection: http://microformatique.com/?p=266 http://inessential.com/?comments=1postid=3514 Judging from discussions around this decision (on a private mailing list), there seems to be little real value from this feature in NetNewsWire, a very popular feed reader for the Mac. On the one hand, it's hard to argue with the detractors who point out that there's actually little microformatted content in feeds (NNW only detects hcalendar and hcard -- the most widely deployed microformats) and that even when such content shows up, adding hcards to your address book, or clicking the Add to Calendar button provided by NNW is hardly beneficial when feeds that have an iCal equivalent either tack it on as an enclosure or link off to a remotely hosted .ics file... basically making the embedded hcalendar redundant (though arguably still best practice). but removing it? ... how about giving the users a choice of whether to use this feature? btw I've seen a lot more hCalendar items in RSS feeds than I have seen iCal links in enclosures. I don't think having to fetch another file for each event just to get the date of the event is a good solution! ... and what if someone wants to mark up the city/country where the event is happening? ... in hCalendar it can be done by using hCard/adr/geo inside location but can anything like that be done in iCal? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats
I'm also a long time NNW user, and haven't seen the Microformats UI in over a year. On 16 Aug 2008, at 09:41, Chris Messina wrote: * Are microformats valuable in client-side applications? * Should their presence be made known to end-users? Where there is data that can be converted, should an interface be provided to do so? * Is adding hcards to address books and hcalendars to calendars really the best possible value of adding microformats parsing to an application? If not, what other application has demonstrated additional, or different, value? I don't think it takes much argument to say that microformats can and will be useful in client UI, but the NNW UI specifically was not the right solution. I think there's potential to do far more ambitious UI that used microformats which would be far more useful to end users and more inspiring to authors. NNW has a source list down the left hand side with ‘Latest News’, ‘Flagged Items’ and ‘Clippings’. An ‘Upcoming Events’ item in there, generated from hCalendar in feeds (and optionally exposed to iCal as well) would, in my brain-farting mode, be a far more engaging prospect for users and publishers. The NNW UI was a great little experiment, but authors need more substantial ideas to encourage them to publish more. If Newsgator were saying ‘use hCalendar — it's a standard!’ and link it to some UI in their software, I think they'd get interest. B ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Download NNW 3.1 while you still can (was Re: [uf-discuss] NetNewsWire ditches support for microformats)
Ben Ward wrote: I'm also a long time NNW user, and haven't seen the Microformats UI in over a year. I see it every time Jeremy Keith posts. You may find some in my infrequent blog posts also. That being said I agree we need to encourage simpler blog post authoring interfaces that enable and encourage more semantic publishing. Please contribute tips, suggestions, wants to the CMSs of your choice: http://microformats.org/wiki/cms For now, I recommend everyone download NNW v3.1 (with microformats support) while it is still available. I've add NNW 3.2 to my own personal warning page: http://tantek.pbwiki.com/UpgradesToAvoid Tantek ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
