Re: libtool - pdflib - php-5.1.2 -openBSD38

2006-03-13 Thread Vladan Popovic
Yes I read it - many times - trust me.
But how do I get the shared library - I thought that when I 
configure/make/ it would generate the shared library - apparently not - 
or maybe it needs some special options.
That's the point I don't understand the message
If you have an answer it would be great.

I tried pkg_add 'pdflib_path' but i generates an error because it seems 
that the package is prepared for php4 and I already compiled and 
installed php5.1.2

Thank you for any help

Vladan

Jacob Meuser wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 07:43:16PM +0800, Vladan Popovic wrote:

   
 *** Warning: linker path does not have real file for library -lpdf.
 *** I have the capability to make that library automatically link in when
 *** you link to this library.  But I can only do this if you have a
 *** shared version of the library, which you do not appear to have
 *** because I did check the linker path looking for a file starting
 *** with libpdf and none of the candidates passed a file format test
 *** using a regex pattern. Last file checked: 
 /usr/src/PDFlib-6.0.3-OpenBSD34/bind/c/lib/libpdf.a
 

 did you read what it says?  you need a shared version of libpdf.  the
 static library won't work.

   


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Re: libtool - pdflib - php-5.1.2 -openBSD38

2006-03-13 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:54:10PM +0800, Vladan Popovic wrote:
 Yes I read it - many times - trust me.
 But how do I get the shared library - I thought that when I 
 configure/make/ it would generate the shared library - apparently not - 
 or maybe it needs some special options.

run ./configure --help and see what it says.  you may need an option
like --enable-shared.

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Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello, this is what I found about the gnome-panel issue on the bugs page:



Number: 4473
Category:   ports
Synopsis:   gnome-panel freeze and quits on OpenBSD 3.8 current i386
Confidential:   yes
Severity:   serious
Priority:   medium
Responsible:bugs
State:  closed
Quarter:
Keywords:
Date-Required:
Class:  sw-bug
Submitter-Id:   net
Arrival-Date:   Thu Aug 25 14:40:01 GMT 2005
Closed-Date:Wed Sep 28 19:03:06 MDT 2005
Last-Modified:  Wed Sep 28 19:03:06 MDT 2005
Originator: Jaya Sri Das
Release:gnome 2.10
Organization:
net
Environment:

System  : OpenBSD 3.8
Architecture: OpenBSD.i386
Machine : i386
Description:
gnome-panel used to freez and quit unexpectedly nearly in every minute
How-To-Repeat:
i386, OpenBSD current, gnome-session 2.10.0, Xorg. Start to click on
that panel, for example in Preferences, and it will freez up nearly in
every minute. Maybe a memory allocation problem.
Fix:


Release-Note:
Audit-Trail:
State-Changed-From-To: open-closed
State-Changed-By: pvalchev
State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 28 19:02:40 MDT 2005
State-Changed-Why:
not enough info provided i forwarded this to the gnome
people anyway
Unformatted:


Text version OpenBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have not found anything related to gnumeric, vlc, nor xfce.

Ramiro.



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Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Nick Holland

Ramiro Aceves wrote:
...
Yes, WM also works fine here. But again, it is not a solution. GNOME 
should not be released in such buggy state.


I don't follow your logic here.

Ok, let's say GNOME was removed from ports by your suggestion.
In that case, you WOULD need to find another solution.

In the mean time, no one would be attempting to isolate and repair 
problems with GNOME, which means nothing would get better, and you would 
still have to find another solution.


From your original post:
Do the porters check that the ports work before a release? 


uh...yes.
But...YOU also have to be involved.
Don't wait for a new release, then whine that it is broken.  TOO LATE! 
You missed your chance.  Quit letting other people do your testing and 
work, and then whining about the results.



I find it entertaining (in a morbid sort of way) when people come from 
Linux when they realize some of the same things that drove them to Linux 
in the first place take place there, too.  So then they go hunting 
around for an alternative, and then they try to make their alternative 
look just like what they gave up on.  *sigh*


Nick.



test

2006-03-13 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
test. ignore.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which 
had a name of smime.p7s]



Re: Pre-orders for our releases.

2006-03-13 Thread Siegbert Marschall
Hi,

 On 3/8/06, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But financially we are under strain, and it is not letting us grow any
 of our bigger plans.

 It sounds like you really have big plans. Maybe it is a good idea to
 tell about them, maybe that will make the big companies interested in
 sponsoring some of that work.

I think they are more interested in pulling money out of pockets then
putting it in there, that's what the game is about. So if, one would
need to show them that by putting some money into OpenBSD pockets it
will help them a) keep more of their money b) get more of other peoples
money. The oldschool bussiness model, based on cooperation ist not very
popular these days, claims of not being evil is the best you can find,
the rest is war.

We are livin' in interesting times.

Bye, Siggi.



Slow SCSI HDD (HW RAID) on Dual Xeon

2006-03-13 Thread Adam Papai
Hi misc,

I've got a problem with the SCSI read/write speed under 3.8.
It has LSILOGIC HW raid adapter running raid1.

The time dd test shows:

astatine[wooh] time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/wooh/output bs=1m count=1024
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
1073741824 bytes transferred in 411.637 secs (2608466 bytes/sec)
7m12.01s real 0m0.00s user 0m5.62s system
astatine[wooh] time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/wooh/output2 bs=1m count=1024
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
1073741824 bytes transferred in 411.235 secs (2611012 bytes/sec)
7m11.66s real 0m0.00s user 0m5.42s system
astatine[wooh]

This is very slow ;/ How can I increse i/o speed?

Any suggestions?

It runs bsd.mp 3.8

My dmesg is here:
OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC.MP) #298: Sat Sep 10 15:51:54 MDT 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2 GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,CNXT-ID
real mem  = 1073168384 (1048016K)
avail mem = 972587008 (949792K)
using 4278 buffers containing 5376 bytes (52500K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(fb) BIOS, date 06/09/05, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd7d1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x
pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 8 Interrupt Routing table entries
pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 9 10 11 15
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 (ServerWorks CSB5 SouthBridge
rev 0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #0 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x4000
mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) (IBM ENSW TURQUIOSESMP)
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 99 MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class)
cpu1: FPU,CX8,APIC,CNXT-ID
mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 3 is type ISA
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 14 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 16 pins
ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 13 pa 0xfec01000, version 11, 16 pins
ioapic2 at mainbus0: apid 12 pa 0xfec02000, version 11, 16 pins
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ServerWorks CMIC_LE Host rev 0x13
pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 ServerWorks CMIC_LE Host rev 0x00
pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 vendor ServerWorks, unknown product
0x rev 0x00
pci1 at pchb2 bus 1
mpt0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0 Symbios Logic 53c1030 rev 0x07: apic 13
int 6 (irq 9)
mpt0: sending FW Upload request to IOC (size: 36, img size: 69956)
mpt0: IM support: 4
scsibus0 at mpt0: 16 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: LSILOGIC, 1030 IM IM, 1000 SCSI2 0/direct
fixed
sd0: 34678MB, 34678 cyl, 16 head, 128 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 71020544 sec total
mpt0: target 0 Synchronous at 40MHz width 8bit offset 63 QAS 0 DT 0 IU 0
vga1 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 ATI Rage XL rev 0x27
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pchb3 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 ServerWorks CSB5 SouthBridge rev 0x93
pci2 at pchb3 bus 3
pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 ServerWorks CSB5 IDE rev 0x93: DMA
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus1 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: TEAC, CD-224E, 2.9B SCSI0 5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2
ohci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 USB rev 0x05: apic
14 int 11 (irq 11), version 1.0, legacy support
usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: ServerWorks OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
pcib0 at pci0 dev 15 function 3 ServerWorks CSB5 PCI rev 0x00
pchb4 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 ServerWorks CIOBX2 rev 0x03
pchb5 at pci0 dev 17 function 2 ServerWorks CIOBX2 rev 0x03
pci3 at pchb5 bus 2
bge0 at pci3 dev 1 function 0 Broadcom BCM5703X rev 0x02, BCM5703 A2
(0x1002): apic 13 int 8 (irq 10) address 00:09:6b:8c:51:9e
brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5703 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 2
bge1 at pci3 dev 2 function 0 Broadcom BCM5703X rev 0x02, BCM5703 A2
(0x1002): apic 13 int 9 (irq 11) address 00:09:6b:8c:51:9f
brgphy1 at bge1 phy 1: BCM5703 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 2
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker
spkr0 at pcppi0
sysbeep0 at pcppi0
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
biomask 0 netmask 0 ttymask 0
pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
dkcsum: sd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
root on sd0a
rootdev=0x400 rrootdev=0xd00 rawdev=0xd02


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Re: Slow SCSI HDD (HW RAID) on Dual Xeon

2006-03-13 Thread Srebrenko Sehic
You're lucky that your RAID1 array even works, since integrated
mirroring (IM) is currently not supported by mpt(4) driver. If it
works, it is slow like hell.

If you want speed, remove the RAID1 array and run with 2 normal disks.

On 3/13/06, Adam Papai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi misc,

 I've got a problem with the SCSI read/write speed under 3.8.
 It has LSILOGIC HW raid adapter running raid1.



Re: Slow SCSI HDD (HW RAID) on Dual Xeon

2006-03-13 Thread Adam Papai
Srebrenko Sehic said:
 You're lucky that your RAID1 array even works, since integrated
 mirroring (IM) is currently not supported by mpt(4) driver. If it
 works, it is slow like hell.

 If you want speed, remove the RAID1 array and run with 2 normal disks.

 On 3/13/06, Adam Papai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi misc,

 I've got a problem with the SCSI read/write speed under 3.8.
 It has LSILOGIC HW raid adapter running raid1.


That means I have to use the raidframe. Thanks anyway..

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Phone: +36 30 33-55-735



Re: home VPN

2006-03-13 Thread Bryan Brake

Joachim Schipper wrote:

On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 09:03:21PM -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote:

Dear folks,

i live in brazil, and it is a common practice for local
corporation/institutions to monitor our phone calls, internet access
and personal email. I would like to be able to access Internet by
means of a proxy. My initial ideia is to get some peer (personnel)
outside brazil that would allow me to connect through it.

I wanted to be able to access the web and surf 
without the Nazi admin checking the firewall logs 
to see what I am doing.


I setup my OpenBSD machine at home with Privoxy 
(in packages section) and using Putty to forward 
my traffic over SSH.  Privoxy was very easy to 
setup and I am running it with the defaults.


Here is the link I used to setup my local machine 
to use my proxy...




http://www.zunta.org/blog/archives/2005/08/29/sshirking_work/

HTH,

Bryan



Re: Slow SCSI HDD (HW RAID) on Dual Xeon

2006-03-13 Thread edgarz

Raidframe works great, no problems (for me) :)

Adam Papai wrote:

Srebrenko Sehic said:


You're lucky that your RAID1 array even works, since integrated
mirroring (IM) is currently not supported by mpt(4) driver. If it
works, it is slow like hell.

If you want speed, remove the RAID1 array and run with 2 normal disks.

On 3/13/06, Adam Papai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi misc,

I've got a problem with the SCSI read/write speed under 3.8.
It has LSILOGIC HW raid adapter running raid1.




That means I have to use the raidframe. Thanks anyway..




Re: home VPN

2006-03-13 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 07:55:47AM -0800, Bryan Brake wrote:
 Joachim Schipper wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 09:03:21PM -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote:
 Dear folks,
 
 i live in brazil, and it is a common practice for local
 corporation/institutions to monitor our phone calls, internet access
 and personal email. I would like to be able to access Internet by
 means of a proxy. My initial ideia is to get some peer (personnel)
 outside brazil that would allow me to connect through it.
 
 I wanted to be able to access the web and surf 
 without the Nazi admin checking the firewall logs 
 to see what I am doing.
 
 I setup my OpenBSD machine at home with Privoxy 
 (in packages section) and using Putty to forward 
 my traffic over SSH.  Privoxy was very easy to 
 setup and I am running it with the defaults.
 
 Here is the link I used to setup my local machine 
 to use my proxy...
 
 
 
 http://www.zunta.org/blog/archives/2005/08/29/sshirking_work/

There is no guarantee, though, that the nazi admin will be particularly
well-inclined towards ssh... ;-)

Some attacks are still possible, though; notably, even if we presume the
other end and all neighbouring networks are trustworthy, and the
firewall admin has no capabilities beyond his own network, he can still
notice *that* you are doing something, and traffic analysis will give
quite a bit of a hint.

Not much there's to be done about that, but still - something to think
about.

Joachim



Re: home VPN

2006-03-13 Thread steve szmidt
On Monday 13 March 2006 10:55, you wrote:
 Joachim Schipper wrote:
  On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 09:03:21PM -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote:
  Dear folks,
 
  i live in brazil, and it is a common practice for local
  corporation/institutions to monitor our phone calls, internet access
  and personal email. I would like to be able to access Internet by
  means of a proxy. My initial ideia is to get some peer (personnel)
  outside brazil that would allow me to connect through it.

With all the illegal and then not so smart activities of people that often 
becomes the solution in any country.

 I wanted to be able to access the web and surf
 without the Nazi admin checking the firewall logs
 to see what I am doing.

Oh, nice. Figure out how to bypass company security policy and put them all at 
risk. Then call the guy who's job it is to keep it all working a Nazi. Mmm, 
impressive.

Hopefully you are not running on a windows machine thus opening a door to 
making it a cinch to hack your company network through your eh, 
inventiveness.

-- 

Steve Szmidt

For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke



DELL PERC 4/SC low performance

2006-03-13 Thread Diego Woitasen
I doing some performance test with openbsd 3.8 in a PowerEdge 830 with
perc 4/sc board.

'dd if=/dev/sd0c of=/home/test1 count=4000 bs=256k' gives a transfer
rate of 6MByte por second. This is really slow... other operating
systems get a throughput of 45 mbyte por second.

Setting Write-policy to Write Back in BIOS i doesn't help. The board
parameters are:

write policy: write back
read policy: adaptative
cache policy: cached i/o

dmesg:
OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 3 GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS
H,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,EST,CNXT-ID
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep disabled by BIOS
real mem  = 1073065984 (1047916K)
avail mem = 972541952 (949748K)
using 4278 buffers containing 53755904 bytes (52496K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(00) BIOS, date 10/12/05, BIOS32 rev. 0 @
0xffe90
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfb900/208 (11 entries)
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 (Intel 82801GB LPC rev
0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #7 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xb000 0xcb000/0x1000 0xcc000/0x3c00
0xd/0x1600 0xd1800/0x2600 0xd4000/0x600 0xec000/0x4000!
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x2778
rev 0x00
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x2779 rev
0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x01
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
ppb2 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PCIE-PCIE rev 0x09
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
ahc1 at pci3 dev 1 function 0 Adaptec AHA-3960D U160 rev 0x01: irq 10
scsibus0 at ahc1: 16 targets
ahc2 at pci3 dev 1 function 1 Adaptec AHA-3960D U160 rev 0x01: irq 5
scsibus1 at ahc2: 16 targets
ami0 at pci3 dev 2 function 0 Symbios Logic MegaRAID rev 0x01: irq 3
Dell 520/64b/lhc
ami0: FW 351S, BIOS v1.10, 64MB RAM
ami0: 1 channels, 0 FC loops, 1 logical drives
scsibus2 at ami0: 40 targets
sd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00,  SCSI2 0/direct
fixed
sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec
total
scsibus3 at ami0: 16 targets
ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x27e0
rev 0x01
pci4 at ppb3 bus 4
bge0 at pci4 dev 0 function 0 Broadcom BCM5721 rev 0x11, BCM5750 B1
(0x4101): irq 10 address 00:14:22:7b:0d:6a
brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5750 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 0
ppb4 at pci0 dev 28 function 5 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x27e2
rev 0x01
pci5 at ppb4 bus 5
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x01: irq 11
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ppb5 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA AGP rev 0xe1
pci6 at ppb5 bus 6
ppb6 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 vendor Hint, unknown product 0x0022 rev
0x04
pci7 at ppb6 bus 7
vga1 at pci7 dev 2 function 0 ATI Radeon VE QY rev 0x00
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
vendor Dell, unknown product 0x0010 (class undefined unknown subclass
0x00, rev 0x00) at pci7 dev 4 function 0 not configured
vendor Dell, unknown product 0x0012 (class undefined unknown subclass
0x00, rev 0x00) at pci7 dev 4 function 1 not configured
vendor Dell, unknown product 0x0014 (class undefined unknown subclass
0x00, rev 0x00) at pci7 dev 4 function 2 not configured
pciide0 at pci7 dev 7 function 0 CMD Technology PCI0680 rev 0x02
pciide0: bus-master DMA support present
pciide0: channel 0 wired to native-PCI mode
pciide0: using irq 5 for native-PCI interrupt
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0
scsibus4 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
sd1 at scsibus4 targ 0 lun 0: DELL, VSF, 0123 SCSI0 0/direct removable
sd1: drive offline
atapiscsi1 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 1
scsibus5 at atapiscsi1: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus5 targ 0 lun 0: DELL, VCD, 0133 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable
sd1(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 3
cd0(pciide0:0:1): using PIO mode 3
pciide0: channel 1 wired to native-PCI mode
pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801GB LPC rev 0x01
pciide1 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 Intel 82801GB IDE rev 0x01: DMA,
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to
compatibility
atapiscsi2 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0
scsibus6 at atapiscsi2: 2 targets
cd1 at scsibus6 targ 0 lun 0: LITE-ON, CD-ROM LTN-4891S, NDS3 SCSI0
5/cdrom removable
cd1(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
pciide1: channel 1 ignored (disabled)
Intel 82801GB SMBus rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 not configured
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pmsi0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using 

multibooting X40 / lenovo load

2006-03-13 Thread Chris Paul
Dear Misc,

I want to leave the pre-loaded Windows XP on the X40, so I:

a) didn't let it convert to NTFS
b) deleted the IBM/Lenovo utility partition
c) resized part 0 (C)
d) using OpenBSD install fdisk, created an OpenBSD partition (above 
cylinder 1024).

Now, after creating slice a, the OpenBSD disklabel does not do the math 
for me. It give me the same beginning offset as for wd0a. So I then: did 
the math (added all the offsets  created the partitions), but now it 
won't boot (it just goes ahead and boots XP).

Now I have some questions:

1. Why is disklabel acting retarded? (or what am I doing that's retarded)?
2. why no booting?
3. Is this a 1024 cylinder problem? I thought this was a fixed issue a 
few releases back.

thanks,

CP
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Re: multibooting X40 / lenovo load

2006-03-13 Thread Dimitry Andric
Chris Paul wrote:
 Now, after creating slice a, the OpenBSD disklabel does not do the math 
 for me. It give me the same beginning offset as for wd0a. So I then: did 
 the math (added all the offsets  created the partitions), but now it 
 won't boot (it just goes ahead and boots XP).

Show us fdisk wd0 and disklabel wd0 output, or it's difficult to help at
all. :)

For reference, my X41 triple boots XP, Ubuntu and OpenBSD without a
hitch.  Oh and OpenBSD is at the end of the disk, 1024 cylinder problems
were solved quite some time ago.



Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
 I differ a bit. If the port were removed, there'd be even less incentive
 to work to fix it in future. But, if testing shows it doesn't work, it
 should be marked as BROKEN for releases, yes. Now, wrt testing, it
 applies what others said: Everyone is asked to contribute, even if the
 contribution is only testing and feedback.

Oh yes, I agree, I am not complaining because gnumeric does not work,
I complain because I understand that a released software shoud not
have such kinds of trivial bugs. If the porters cannot fix it, it
should be marked as BROKEN, just to avoid to the potential OpenBSD
users thinking that they have that application ready to use.
When I first discover OpenBSD after some years using Linux, I got in
love with it, I liked its philosophy very much, its correctness, its
documentation, the way the kernel boots, Everything is where you spect
it to be. Sometimes linux is a mess.

I looked at the package list, just to see if I could use the same
applications I used to work under Linux. I said yes!, I can use GNOME,
GNUMERIC, VLC, Vim, etc.. great!. But I have realized that it was not
true.




 Just before the code freeze for 3.9, for example, there was a request on
 the OpenBSD lists to test stuff *now*. That would've been the best time
 to try out everything you'd possibly like and report back on it. That'd
 have ensured that the port would either be fixed or marked BROKEN in
 time.

Yes, I would have liked to help, but I have not had enough free time.

Ramiro,


 Kind regards,

 Hannah.



Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello


 Helping is done with cash donations and diffs.  Being an buttplug is not.


I do not have enough money to make donations, I have contributed
buying a CD set. I think it is insignificant and not too much but it
is the only thing I can afford. I am not capable of sending any diffs.
Not everybody is capable of understanding complex programs.


 It's and external piece of code and like most GNU code it sucks shit.

Why do you say that? Gnumeric works nicely under Linux. No problem at all.

 Welcome to our world!  Where most code is written for Linux only with
 lower quality standards than Windows 3.11.  Don't like it?  Go tell the
 Gnome imbeciles that *they* need to learn how to program.


Why do you insult to the GNU people? aren't you using their compiler?.
I do not understand why you say such things.

Peace, please.

Regards.

Ramiro.



 
  Ramiro.



Re: Slow SCSI HDD (HW RAID) on Dual Xeon

2006-03-13 Thread Jeff Quast
If you don't mind me chiming in, my disks arn't nearly as slow, but I
expected them to be faster. Can anybody make a recommendation to
improve my disk i/o, or confirm the speeds I get are about right? This
is the first machine I've had thats U320 SCSI-capable.

raid0 is a mirror of two scsi disks:
/dev/raid0o on /home type ffs (local, nodev, nosuid, softdep)
$ time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/dingo/output bs=1m count=1024
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
1073741824 bytes transferred in 28.528 secs (37636934 bytes/sec)
0m29.03s real 0m0.00s user 0m2.64s system

raid1 is a stripe of two ide disks:
/dev/raid1a on /storage type ffs (NFS exported, local, nodev, nosuid, softdep)
$ time dd if=/dev/zero of=/storage/private/dingo/output bs=1m count=1024
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
1073741824 bytes transferred in 28.787 secs (37298405 bytes/sec)
0m28.83s real 0m0.00s user 0m3.34s system
$

sd0a non-raidframe:
/dev/sd0a on / type ffs (local, softdep)
$ sudo time dd if=/dev/zero of=/output bs=1m count=256
256+0 records in
256+0 records out
268435456 bytes transferred in 5.481 secs (48966898 bytes/sec)
5.73 real 0.00 user 0.80 sys
$

I am using a U320 cable and U320-capable enclosure, as well as
U320-capable card onboard. Is this the sort of speeds I should be
getting? sd0 and sd1 are 15K rpm IBM's (IC35L018UCPR15-0), free of bad
sectors, dmesg:

This is a raidframe-enabled GENERIC kernel with uhid and uhidev disabled.

OpenBSD 3.8-stable (GENERIC.MP_RAID) #0: Sat Mar  4 13:37:09 EST 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP_RAID
cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.80 GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,C
NXT-ID
real mem  = 536387584 (523816K)
avail mem = 482054144 (470756K)
using 4278 buffers containing 26923008 bytes (26292K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(00) BIOS, date 04/27/04, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf4ee0/208 (11 entries)
pcibios0: no compatible PCI ICU found: ICU vendor 0x8086 product 0x25a1
pcibios0: PCI bus #3 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xc9000/0x1800
0xca800/0x9a00 0xdc000/0x4000!
mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) (INTELSE7210TP10  )
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 199 MHz
mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 3 is type PCI
mainbus0: bus 4 is type ISA
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 3 pa 0xfec1, version 20, 24 pins
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82875P Host rev 0x02
ppb0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 Intel 82875P PCI-CSA rev 0x02
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
em0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0 Intel PRO/1000CT (82547GI) rev 0x00:
apic 2 int 18 (irq 5), address: 00:04:23:b5:19:36
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 6300ESB PCIX rev 0x02
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
ahd0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7901 U320 rev 0x10: apic 3
int 3 (irq 9)
aic7901: U320 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 50-66Mhz, 512 SCBs
scsibus0 at ahd0: 16 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: , , S7Z0 SCSI3 0/direct fixed
sd0: 17501MB, 14532 cyl, 8 head, 308 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35843670 sec total
sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: , , S7Z0 SCSI3 0/direct fixed
sd1: 17501MB, 14532 cyl, 8 head, 308 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35843670 sec total
safte0 at scsibus0 targ 6 lun 0: SUPER, GEM318, 0 SCSI2 3/processor fixed
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 6300ESB USB rev 0x02: apic 2
int 16 (irq 7)
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 5300ESB USB rev 0x02: apic 2
int 19 (irq 5)
usb1 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
Intel 6300ESB WDT rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 29 function 4 not configured
Intel 6300ESB APIC rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 29 function 5 not configured
ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 6300ESB USB rev 0x02: apic 2
int 23 (irq 9)
ehci0: timed out waiting for BIOS
usb2 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub2 at usb2
uhub2: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
ppb2 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA AGP rev 0x0a
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
vga1 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 ATI Rage XL rev 0x27
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
fxp0 at pci3 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82557 rev 0x10, i82551: apic 2
int 17 (irq 9), address 00:04:23:b5:19:37
inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4
eap0 at pci3 dev 2 function 0 Ensoniq CT5880 rev 

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
  I have tested it in two very different machines and It fails as soon
  as you format a cell.

 no, my laptop runs -current.

Oh great, it means that they have fixed it!


  It is not every possible combination of program and input, it is a
  failure that appears as soon as you format a cell.

 you're missing the big picture. it is every possible combination of
 program and input - but we can't investigate stuff unless people
 report it. and people won't report bugs in features they never use.
 and we hardly ever backport fixes to old ports.



 programs mysteriously conflict with each other all the time. authors
 change APIs or dependencies and then everything breaks. that's why it
 took us so long to upgrade gettext... and i'm pretty sure that it's
 not hard to find gnumeric users who don't format cells. i hardly ever
 do: people send me excel spreadsheets, i look at them, say yes or no,
 and that's the end of it.

Well, I understand, but formating a cell under a spreadsheet is so
important thing that I can not conveive a spreadcheet without it. You
need formating a numeric cell for example to  stablish the quantity of
digits on the right of the decimal point. It is just an example, but
it is heavily used. If gnumeric is broken, do not release it, I would
have choosen kspread without complaining here. I think that I am
saying very reasonable things. Some people start getting angry very
quickly.

I of course appreciate your work and the work of all the people who
contribute to OpenBSD. I just want to say that I was disappoited on
how many basic bugs I found on very few time on OpenBSD ports. I just
wanted to do constructive comments.




  That could be an interesting thing, the problem is that my C
  programming skills are very limited, just enough to write very simple
  programs.
 
  I am pleased to do any test you need.

 well this is a good opportunity to learn C, then.

 read bsd.port.mk(7) - pay attention to the parts about compiler flags.
 build gnumeric and all its dependencies with -g, don't strip the
 output, and see if you can get a crash dump. then use gdb or ddd to
 look at the crash. if nothing else, that'll give you someplace to
 start writing a bug report. you might even get lucky and not have to
 build with debug symbols - look at the core and see if it tells you
 where it crashed.


Thank you very much for the interesting information. I will start
reading, studying and understanding what you recomended. It will be
hard work, I am 35 and thing I am too old to understand such complex
software ;-). Programming is something one has to learn very early, in
order to understand it easily.

I appreciate very much your constructive email.

Regards.

Ramiro.



 when fixing ports, don't waste your time on a released version (3.8,
 3.9, etc). those are frozen and rarely ever change. if you find a in a
 release, see if it exists in -current and try fix or report it.

 CK

 --
 GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?


;-)



Re: Where to find 3.9 snapshots

2006-03-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
 Am I missing something? Are snapshot not available anymore?

We've just finished building the 3.9 release, and will soon
start making -current snapshots available again.

Hold on.



Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/03/14 00:01, Ramiro Aceves wrote:
 When I first discover OpenBSD after some years using Linux, I got in
 love with it, I liked its philosophy very much, its correctness, its
 documentation, the way the kernel boots, Everything is where you spect
 it to be.

Follow the cvs-changes and ports-changes mailing lists for a while and
you'll see what is involved with this. It doesn't take long to notice
that this doesn't just require skill, it also requires a lot of time,
effort, and attention to detail.

 Sometimes linux is a mess.

No surprise that apps written primarily for Linux sometimes follow the
same philosophy. Often it seems that people prefer to write how-to work
around a problem than document it and report it to the people that
might be able to fix it.

  Just before the code freeze for 3.9, for example, there was a request on
  the OpenBSD lists to test stuff *now*. That would've been the best time
  to try out everything you'd possibly like and report back on it. That'd
  have ensured that the port would either be fixed or marked BROKEN in
  time.
 
 Yes, I would have liked to help, but I have not had enough free time.

It takes, what, a couple of hours to install a snapshot, set PKG_PATH
appropriately and upgrade the pre-built packages if you haven't done it
before...well under an hour real-time if you have.

For next time: With OpenBSD, running -current is quite low-risk in
the first place, running snapshots even safer. Running snapshots
in the weeks building up to a release is like running a release
candidate from many other software projects, any big problems would
be both surprising and important to report.  It seems like a simple
thing to just test and report success or failure, but a few dozen
people doing this and using sendbug or writing to ports@ or the
maintainer where appropriate really extends the number of
environments that get tested.

The OpenBSD community is small enough that *you* can make a difference.



Re: Where to find 3.9 snapshots

2006-03-13 Thread Steve Shockley

Danilo Piazzalunga wrote:

Am I missing something? Are snapshot not available anymore?


http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#NoSnaps



Re: Where to find 3.9 snapshots

2006-03-13 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/13/06, Danilo Piazzalunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I would like to install a snapshot of the upcoming 3.9 release, and I was
 expecting to find the relevant files in the /pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386
 directory, but that directory is empty (albeit present) on most mirrors
 (ftp.openbsd.org, ftp.de.openbsd.org, ftp.unina.it, openbsd.mirrors.tds.net,
 rt.fm).

 Am I missing something? Are snapshot not available anymore?

 Best Regards,
 Danilo

 P.S: I am looking for snapshots because 3.8 apparently could not recognize
 my SATA disk (ICH6 controller on a Toshiba laptop), and I thought I could
 have more luck with 3.9.

Around release time snapshots get taken down.  I  have an i386 Mar 2
snapshot if you want to try it.  Send me a private email and I'll put
it up somewhere.  I didn't grab the X install files, though, just
bsd.rd, bsd, and the basic system stuff.

Greg



Re: Where to find 3.9 snapshots

2006-03-13 Thread Danilo Piazzalunga
Theo de Raadt wrote:
 We've just finished building the 3.9 release, and will soon
 start making -current snapshots available again.
 
 Hold on.

All right. Many thanks, especially for the quick reply.



Re: multibooting X40 / lenovo load

2006-03-13 Thread Nick Guenther
On 3/13/06, Chris Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear Misc,

 I want to leave the pre-loaded Windows XP on the X40, so I:

 a) didn't let it convert to NTFS
 b) deleted the IBM/Lenovo utility partition
 c) resized part 0 (C)
 d) using OpenBSD install fdisk, created an OpenBSD partition (above
 cylinder 1024).

 Now, after creating slice a, the OpenBSD disklabel does not do the math
 for me. It give me the same beginning offset as for wd0a. So I then: did
 the math (added all the offsets  created the partitions), but now it
 won't boot (it just goes ahead and boots XP).

 Now I have some questions:

 1. Why is disklabel acting retarded? (or what am I doing that's retarded)?
 2. why no booting?
 3. Is this a 1024 cylinder problem? I thought this was a fixed issue a
 few releases back.


Well, like was said, you lack fdisk and disklabel output. However, did
you remember to mark the partition active? Also, you might have just
messed up in disklabelling but I can't see how (unless you somehow put
wd0a onto a part of the disk that gets overwritten for some reason on
reboot)

-Nick



Re: multibooting X40 / lenovo load

2006-03-13 Thread Chris Paul
Nick Guenther wrote:

 Well, like was said, you lack fdisk and disklabel output. However, did
 you remember to mark the partition active? Also, you might have just
 messed up in disklabelling but I can't see how (unless you somehow put
 wd0a onto a part of the disk that gets overwritten for some reason on
 reboot)

 -Nick
Alright alright I'll re-run it and capture the output. What's the best 
way to do that again? Will the X40 boot cd38.iso in serial mode?

And yes I did try marking the partition active. It didn't boot then I 
think-- I forget exactly what error though. Let me re-run the install 
and capture a better problem report.

CP
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Problem with -current

2006-03-13 Thread STeve Andre'
   I just upated my src tree and built a new kernel.  The system works
(I can ssh to my laptop), but X is dead and I can't switch to a text
console.  I tried this twice with the same results.  Reverting to my
previous kernel of the 7th returned the laptop to normal.  So, heads
up.

--STeve Andre'



Re: Problem with -current

2006-03-13 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:30:46 -0500, STeve Andre' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   I just upated my src tree and built a new kernel.  The system works
(I can ssh to my laptop), but X is dead and I can't switch to a text
console.  I tried this twice with the same results.  Reverting to my
previous kernel of the 7th returned the laptop to normal.  So, heads
up.

--STeve Andre'

Hi STeve,

You may have noticed Theo's earlier post but the developers are in the
process of putting the finishing touches on packaging up the 3.9
RELEASE. 

At the moment, the RELEASE is their primary concern. Snapshots are not
available and new snaps of CURRENT won't be up for a while. This
basically means, they're busy with the RELEASE and it might be a while
before they turn their attention back to CURRENT.

kind regards,
jcr



trouble with lists

2006-03-13 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
Anyone else having trouble reading lists or opening www.openbsd.org?
 
For some reason i cannot even open the web page no matter what pc i try,
from home or work.
 
If anyone has an idea please email me privately since i cannot see the
list.
 
Thanks
 

Marius Van Deventer 
Computer Technician

Bytes Technology Group - Systems Integration


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Re: trouble with lists

2006-03-13 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
Never mind all.

As I sent this away, everyting suddenly came right.


Who knows?

Cheers

 -Original Message-
 From: Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu 
 Sent: 14 March 2006 08:07 AM
 To: misc@openbsd.org
 Subject: trouble with lists
 
 
 Anyone else having trouble reading lists or opening www.openbsd.org?
  
 For some reason i cannot even open the web page no matter 
 what pc i try,
 from home or work.
  
 If anyone has an idea please email me privately since i cannot see the
 list.
  
 Thanks
  
 
 Marius Van Deventer 
 Computer Technician
 
 Bytes Technology Group - Systems Integration
 
 
 Tel : (+27) (39) 682-4202 |  Fax: (+27) (39) 682-4126  |  Cell : (+27)
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