Re: net hangs (pf related?)
No one, really? On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Hi. For five days in a row now I've been having the same issue. 2 days ago I upgraded to a never snapshot in case it would fix my problem without luck. This is @home on a DSL lines. OpenBSD gateway is connected to the modem with an axe(4), default setup, nothing fancy running... Every night I'm doing an rsnapshot backup off site of a small amount of data (couple of Gb). This setup has been running for about a year. Since 5 days, the connexion hangs during that backup, everytime. My logs are empty and the only way to get net access again is to: # pfctl -d ; sleep 2 ; pfctl -e pyr@ and I couldn't find anything obviously wrong. I'm not sure where I should start to debug this and would appreciate any hint. Thanks. INFO: Status: Enabled for 1 days 00:38:41 Debug: Urgent State Table Total Rate current entries 77 searches 9982542 112.5/s inserts 1794532.0/s removals 1793762.0/s Counters match 1805402.0/s bad-offset 00.0/s fragment 00.0/s short 00.0/s normalize 00.0/s memory 00.0/s bad-timestamp 00.0/s congestion 00.0/s ip-option 00.0/s proto-cksum00.0/s state-mismatch720.0/s state-insert 10.0/s state-limit00.0/s src-limit 100.0/s synproxy 00.0/s TIMEOUTS: tcp.first 120s tcp.opening 30s tcp.established 86400s tcp.closing 900s tcp.finwait 45s tcp.closed 90s tcp.tsdiff 30s udp.first60s udp.single 30s udp.multiple 60s icmp.first 20s icmp.error 10s other.first 60s other.single 30s other.multiple 60s frag 30s interval 10s adaptive.start 6000 states adaptive.end 12000 states src.track 0s LIMITS: stateshard limit1 src-nodes hard limit1 frags hard limit 5000 tableshard limit 1000 table-entries hard limit 20 OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC) #105: Mon Aug 10 18:02:36 MDT 2009 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: VIA Esther processor 1000MHz (CentaurHauls 686-class) 1 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,SBF,SSE3,EST,TM2 real mem = 469254144 (447MB) avail mem = 445857792 (425MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 06/16/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa960, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0800 (26 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 6.00 PG date 06/16/2006 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 (slowidle) apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0xdd14 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdc60/176 (9 entries) pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 9 Interrupt Routing table entries pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 10 11 pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:17:0 (VIA VT8237 ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf200 0xd/0x8000! 0xd8000/0x4400! cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) cpu0: RNG AES AES-CTR SHA1 SHA256 RSA cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x08100a1308000a13 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 998 MHz: speeds: 1000, 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 viaagp0 at pchb0: v3 agp0 at viaagp0: aperture at 0xe800, size 0x1000 pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 VIA PT890 Host rev 0x00 pchb4 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb5 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 VIA VT8377 AGP rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 VIA S3 Unichrome PRO IGP rev 0x01
Erlangen Mirror Downtime
Hi, probably due to a power outage at the university, Erlangen mirror came back online with serious RAID problems. It looks like the machine lost its volume completely, which would in turn mean that a complete reinstall and refetch of all data will be necessary. This means that the mirror won't be available for a longer period of time before I can bring it back online. I will reflect this situation on the respective www pages very soon, just giving you a heads-up via mail now. It should not be a big problem as there are other very well connected mirrors in Europe that can cover for my traffic in the meantime. Best regards, grunk
Re: net hangs (pf related?)
Well, can you reproduce it if you run the rsnapshot manually? If you go back to a kernel from 6 days ago does it work? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:08:14AM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: No one, really? On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Hi. For five days in a row now I've been having the same issue. 2 days ago I upgraded to a never snapshot in case it would fix my problem without luck. This is @home on a DSL lines. OpenBSD gateway is connected to the modem with an axe(4), default setup, nothing fancy running... Every night I'm doing an rsnapshot backup off site of a small amount of data (couple of Gb). This setup has been running for about a year. Since 5 days, the connexion hangs during that backup, everytime. My logs are empty and the only way to get net access again is to: # pfctl -d ; sleep 2 ; pfctl -e pyr@ and I couldn't find anything obviously wrong. I'm not sure where I should start to debug this and would appreciate any hint. Thanks. INFO: Status: Enabled for 1 days 00:38:41 Debug: Urgent State Table Total Rate current entries 77 searches 9982542 112.5/s inserts 1794532.0/s removals 1793762.0/s Counters match 1805402.0/s bad-offset 00.0/s fragment 00.0/s short 00.0/s normalize 00.0/s memory 00.0/s bad-timestamp 00.0/s congestion 00.0/s ip-option 00.0/s proto-cksum00.0/s state-mismatch720.0/s state-insert 10.0/s state-limit00.0/s src-limit 100.0/s synproxy 00.0/s TIMEOUTS: tcp.first 120s tcp.opening 30s tcp.established 86400s tcp.closing 900s tcp.finwait 45s tcp.closed 90s tcp.tsdiff 30s udp.first60s udp.single 30s udp.multiple 60s icmp.first 20s icmp.error 10s other.first 60s other.single 30s other.multiple 60s frag 30s interval 10s adaptive.start 6000 states adaptive.end 12000 states src.track 0s LIMITS: stateshard limit1 src-nodes hard limit1 frags hard limit 5000 tableshard limit 1000 table-entries hard limit 20 OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC) #105: Mon Aug 10 18:02:36 MDT 2009 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: VIA Esther processor 1000MHz (CentaurHauls 686-class) 1 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,SBF,SSE3,EST,TM2 real mem = 469254144 (447MB) avail mem = 445857792 (425MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 06/16/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa960, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0800 (26 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 6.00 PG date 06/16/2006 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 (slowidle) apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0xdd14 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdc60/176 (9 entries) pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 9 Interrupt Routing table entries pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 10 11 pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:17:0 (VIA VT8237 ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf200 0xd/0x8000! 0xd8000/0x4400! cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) cpu0: RNG AES AES-CTR SHA1 SHA256 RSA cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x08100a1308000a13 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 998 MHz: speeds: 1000, 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 viaagp0 at pchb0: v3 agp0 at viaagp0: aperture at 0xe800, size 0x1000 pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb3
Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?
-Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Meuser Sent: 19 August 2009 04:08 To: OpenBSD Misc Subject: Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st? On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:03:58PM +0300, Lars Nooden wrote: wim wauters wrote: Actually, better to aim Theo at YouTube and their ilk so they stop using Flash in the first place. +1 Flash is a pox. Youtube, and any other flash site, should go over to open standards. Ogg Theora comes to mind there. *sigh* you're blaming the wrong people. 2009 and just now streaming video/audio is being standardised in html? and theora? give me a break. either blame the w3c or the FOSS comunity in general for not creating a superior free video codec. don't blame youtube and the like for using de facto standards. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org I have to agree here...they are using the standard that the majority of people have, that works, that people understand. Of course, they *should* change to an open standard like in HTML 5 but even that is a bit borked since Apple et al started moaning about it because they are twaty wankers
Re: spam in misc list.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:53:42 + 4625 4625...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Aaron Mason wrote: Let me answer that question with another: why should we read messages about people whining about spam? It's actually worse than the spam It is simple: I do not wanna to see smap/fish message in message index. itself in some cases. 90% of mail clients have a delete button. Excercise it. No matter have or not. Traffic cost money. Drop the list ;-) Dhu Why we should read this shit? -- Forwarded message -- From: Bank of America memberserv...@cua.com To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: You have 1 new message from Bank of America ! Dear customer We regret to inform you that your Bank of America Online Account has been temporarily suspended. -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict - Oh, why does everything I whip leave me? -- 4625
de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
Jacob Meuser wrote: don't blame youtube and the like for creating de facto standards. There fixed that for you. Flash wasn't really used until YouTube started pushing it on sheeple. Also AFAIK, Flash is a specification for a data format, not an actual *standard* for a data format. Functionally, Flash (as it is currently used) does very little that Quicktime or MPEG could not already do in 1993 or so. Back then many transfers were at 9600 Kbps over level 1 or 2 copper. 2Mbps ethernet was considered screaming fast. While it would make sense to look forward and plan for files measured in 10s or 100s of MB ... either blame the w3c ... the W3C became busy after the commercialization of the Internet in 1996 cleaning up the mess caused by the browser war started by Microsoft and exacerbated by Netscape. ( See http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm for context) Recall that the W3C had to stop and put HTML development on hold to waste time making a compromise called HTML 3.2 before moving back on track with HTML 4 and CSS1. A short video is still a few MB of data to transfer. Some of us were setting up streaming back in 1995, though I would consider that a late start anyway. Networking didn't support casual downloads of MB of anything. Currently, video specifications in HTML5 appears to have been hobbled by 1 Apple Employee and 1 former Microsoft Consultant. For the latter, see the annotated Halloween Documents for how decomoditization of standards fits into their strategy. or the FOSS comunity in general for not creating a superior free video codec. The have. But first, two points of clarification there: + First, the complaint is about data formats (i.e. flash) not about software (i.e. a codec for flash). + Secont, last I checked the Adobe(r) Flash specification was available *only* under NDA and *only* under the condition that it be used for export *not* playback. Members of the FOSS community *have* come with better open video standards: The BBC started Dirac, but seemed to then become the target of politics ( not quite open video for less than the cost of a cruise missile but along those lines ) The current specification was finalized in 2008 and can be used in Ogg, Quicktime and AVI containers. http://diracvideo.org/developers Ogg Theora is another one. Ogg Theora support is now built into Firefox. So there is now at least one mainstream browser that supports open video formats. In addition to the format itself being open, the main software for Theora is available under the BSD license: http://www.theora.org/downloads/ For plain audio, there is speex and vorbis: Ogg Speex, for voice audio, is widely used. Being an open format, it is even already part of the above maligned Flash. Ogg Vorbis is *very* widely used. Yes few ipod-like devices use it. However, it still managed to pass over 12% of audio traffic a while back and is widely used in the gaming industry for audio. So there are now two good open standards for video that don't require NDAs to implement and have open source supporting code. At least one is supported in Firefox already. Vote with your feet / wallet. -Lars
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
what does this have to do with the openbsd release? Please drop this topic/thread. -- Love thy neighbor as thyself, but choose your neighborhood. -- Louise Beal
Re: net hangs (pf related?)
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Nicholas Marriott wrote: Well, can you reproduce it if you run the rsnapshot manually? Yes. If you go back to a kernel from 6 days ago does it work? I am using a kernel from 6 days ago. Latest available is Aug 11st. As I said, I upgraded to this one because I was seeing this issue in the previous snap. -- Antoine
Re: net hangs (pf related?)
Okay, sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. So, Aug 11 snapshot doesn't work but the snapshot before that one initially worked, then the problem started (without an upgrade)? Sounds weird. A few ideas: Did you change anything at all (pf.conf? rebooted box?) when it started happening? Can you make it fall over by trying other stuff like ftp/scp to the same or different remote hosts, or is it just rsnapshot? Anything funny in logs/pfctl -x loud/pflog0 logging? Can you reproduce it with a very minimal pf ruleset (perhaps just pass all)? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:49:32PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Nicholas Marriott wrote: Well, can you reproduce it if you run the rsnapshot manually? Yes. If you go back to a kernel from 6 days ago does it work? I am using a kernel from 6 days ago. Latest available is Aug 11st. As I said, I upgraded to this one because I was seeing this issue in the previous snap. -- Antoine
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
Peter Hessler wrote: what does this have to do with the openbsd release? Publishing the recording of the presentation about the upcoming OpenBSD release. Publishing similar presentations. OpenBSD ports has Firefox. Firefox now supports Theora. Ports for that release will likely contain Firefox with Theora. Theora devel tools are available under the BSD license and thus not excluded by licensing for inclusion in future releases. Dirac devel tools are available under a BSD-compatible license. One emphasis of OpenBSD is tracking and implementing standards. Theora and Dirac are video standards. Flash is neither standard nor for video. Technical merits seem not to have been a factor in the spread of Flash. etc. -Lars
Re: net hangs (pf related?)
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Nicholas Marriott wrote: Okay, sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. So, Aug 11 snapshot doesn't work but the snapshot before that one initially worked, then the problem started (without an upgrade)? Nope, it happened suddenly with the previous snap. I though it was a one time only issue. But after a few days it kept happening So I upgraded, which didn't help. Sounds weird. It does ;-) A few ideas: Did you change anything at all (pf.conf? rebooted box?) when it started happening? Nothing at all. Can you make it fall over by trying other stuff like ftp/scp to the same or different remote hosts, or is it just rsnapshot? Anything funny in logs/pfctl -x loud/pflog0 logging? Can you reproduce it with a very minimal pf ruleset (perhaps just pass all)? Will try all that and try and get some more debug and get back to the list. Thanks Nicholas.. -- Antoine
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.xinitrc and new window manager not loading
I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. My shell is ksh, user chris is a normal user (user's group is user). The .xinitrc file is owned by chris:user and has permission: -rw-r--r-- Here's my .xinitrc file: #!/bin/sh userresources=$HOME/.Xresources usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap if [ -f $sysresources ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb -merge $sysresources fi if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap $sysmodmap fi if [ -f $userresources ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb -merge $userresources fi if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap fi if [ -f $HOME/.bashrc ] then . $HOME/.bashrc fi if [ -f $HOME/.muttrc ] then . $HOME/.muttrc fi id1=$HOME/.ssh/identity id2=$HOME/.ssh/id_dsa id3=$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh-agent ] [ -f $id1 -o -f $id2 -o -f $id3 ]; then eval `ssh-agent -s` ssh-add /dev/null fi /usr/local/bin/scrotwm if [ $SSH_AGENT_PID ]; then ssh-add -D /dev/null eval `ssh-agent -s -k` fi xidle -delay 3 -sw -program /usr/X11R6/bin/xlock -mode bat -timeout 5 -- I have also tried /usr/local/bin/scrotwm and exec /usr/local/bin/scrotwm but no luck. Thanks.
Re: .xinitrc and new window manager not loading
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:32:05AM +, Chris wrote: I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. First, the obvious . . . is scrotwm installed? My shell is ksh, user chris is a normal user (user's group is user). The .xinitrc file is owned by chris:user and has permission: -rw-r--r-- Here's my .xinitrc file: #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/scrotwm montagueneal# whereis scrotwm /usr/X11R6/bin/scrotwm or try just exec scrotwm if [ $SSH_AGENT_PID ]; then ssh-add -D /dev/null eval `ssh-agent -s -k` fi xidle -delay 3 -sw -program /usr/X11R6/bin/xlock -mode bat -timeout 5 -- I have also tried /usr/local/bin/scrotwm and exec /usr/local/bin/scrotwm but no luck. Thanks.
Re: .xinitrc and new window manager not loading
What do you use? xdm or startx? if you use xdm - you should use .xsession instead On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:32:05 + Chris atst...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. My shell is ksh, user chris is a normal user (user's group is user). The .xinitrc file is owned by chris:user and has permission: -rw-r--r-- Here's my .xinitrc file: #!/bin/sh userresources=$HOME/.Xresources usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap if [ -f $sysresources ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb -merge $sysresources fi if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap $sysmodmap fi if [ -f $userresources ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb -merge $userresources fi if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap fi if [ -f $HOME/.bashrc ] then . $HOME/.bashrc fi if [ -f $HOME/.muttrc ] then . $HOME/.muttrc fi id1=$HOME/.ssh/identity id2=$HOME/.ssh/id_dsa id3=$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh-agent ] [ -f $id1 -o -f $id2 -o -f $id3 ]; then eval `ssh-agent -s` ssh-add /dev/null fi /usr/local/bin/scrotwm if [ $SSH_AGENT_PID ]; then ssh-add -D /dev/null eval `ssh-agent -s -k` fi xidle -delay 3 -sw -program /usr/X11R6/bin/xlock -mode bat -timeout 5 -- I have also tried /usr/local/bin/scrotwm and exec /usr/local/bin/scrotwm but no luck. Thanks. -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov
Re: .xinitrc and new window manager not loading
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:32:05AM +, Chris wrote: I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back ^^^ again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. ^ The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. I assume you are using xdm(1). xinit(1) uses .xinitrc, but xdm uses .xsession. Converting to .xsession is rather straightforward (just 'exec scrotwm' is likely to suffice); just keep in mind that xdm runs some scripts in /etc/X11/xdm, in case something happens that you don't want to happen. The gory details are in the man page. Joachim
Re: .xinitrc and new window manager not loading
ln -s .xinitrc .xsession On 2009 Aug 19 (Wed) at 11:32:05 + (+), Chris wrote: :I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but :it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back :again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. :The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. : -- The steady state of disks is full. -- Ken Thompson
Re: .xinitrc and new window manager not loading
keep it simple. #!/bin/sh # exec scrotwm # #exec /usr/X11R6/bin/scrotwm # 2009/8/19 Joachim Schipper joac...@joachimschipper.nl: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:32:05AM +, Chris wrote: I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back ^^^ again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. ^ The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. I assume you are using xdm(1). xinit(1) uses .xinitrc, but xdm uses .xsession. Converting to .xsession is rather straightforward (just 'exec scrotwm' is likely to suffice); just keep in mind that xdm runs some scripts in /etc/X11/xdm, in case something happens that you don't want to happen. The gory details are in the man page. Joachim
Re: .xinitrc and new window manager not loading
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Peter Hesslerphess...@theapt.org wrote: ln -s .xinitrc .xsession On 2009 Aug 19 (Wed) at 11:32:05 + (+), Chris wrote: :I am trying to get a new wm (scrotwm) and added it to .xinitrc but :it's not working. Every time I press ALT-CRTL-Backspace and log back :again, I get landed on fvwm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. :The same .xinitrc works on another box running bash shell for a normal user. Thank you all. ln -s .xinitrc .xsession did the trick.
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On 8/19/09, Lars Nooden lars.cura...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Hessler wrote: what does this have to do with the openbsd release? Quite! What does this have to do with it? I just wanted to add that these open source codecs are not a clear comparison to flash (as a piece of software), as flash includes interactivity stuff with actionscript etc. Although I expect this can be emulated to some degree with Javascript and theora in a browser (?). Anyway, I have not used flash on my main desktop install for years and I have gotten by OK. A nickel for everytime some linux/windows user said to me What? OpenBSD doesnt support flash? :) No... the other way round silly.. Sigh... I apologise for feeding the thread. -- Best Regards Edd Barrett (Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer) http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Lars Noodenlars.cura...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Hessler wrote: what does this have to do with the openbsd release? Publishing the recording of the presentation about the upcoming OpenBSD release. Publishing similar presentations. I'd be happy to upload OpenBSD presentations in whatever free format you prefer as soon as larstube.com is up and running.
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
I'd be happy to upload OpenBSD presentations in whatever free format you prefer as soon as larstube.com is up and running. what's wrong with $random_ftp_site?
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On Aug 19, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Nido wrote: what's wrong with $random_ftp_site? Some ISPs (Cox *ahem*) block ftp altogether. Good thing OpenBSD has http mirrors. Elio Grieco
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Nidon...@foxserver.be wrote: I'd be happy to upload OpenBSD presentations in whatever free format you prefer as soon as larstube.com is up and running. what's wrong with $random_ftp_site? ftp.larstube.com is fine too.
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
Can you not use something newer? I have a special spot in my heart for Archie and Veronica. Gopher://larstube.com please? On 8/19/09, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Nidon...@foxserver.be wrote: I'd be happy to upload OpenBSD presentations in whatever free format you prefer as soon as larstube.com is up and running. what's wrong with $random_ftp_site? ftp.larstube.com is fine too. -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
Ted Unangst wrote: I'd be happy to upload OpenBSD presentations in whatever free format... Nido wrote: what's wrong with $random_ftp_site? If $random_http_site is acceptable despite the weaker protocol and no one is set on a specific domain name, then hosting accounts are available at the Internet Archive: http://www.archive.org/create/ http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content That is assuming it can be done in accordance with the terms of service which do, however, explicitly exclude the bizarre ;) http://www.archive.org/about/terms.php -Lars
Re: Delete packages with dependencies
Do I have to do something else here? It seems like this discussion cooled down a bit. Is the patch in review? Is the patch been considered for inclusion? Are there any changes I can do to make more suitable for inclusion? I don't exactly how these things work and if I followed the regular path to submit the patch. Thanks, Luis On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Marc Espiees...@nerim.net wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:59:42PM -0400, Stephen Takacs wrote: That might be a solution if you're stricly using package/ports. But consider what happens when you manually build and install other programs that came in the form of plain old source code tarballs (make make install, etc.) Most of these programs will have library dependencies and some of those libraries will have already been installed as dependencies of official packages. If you remove the whole shebang (a package and all its unique deps) then your custom-built programs won't find some of their libs anymore... That's on my todo list, at some point I'll nove some of the library detection code from ports to source so that you can easily record manually installed stuff and not remove useful packages and libraries by mistake. There is a plan. That part is the missing piece. Also, making sure manual-installation is properly recorded. Then trimming outdated dependencies (and more importantly, old .libs that are no longer in use) becomes rather simple. BUT you need to have a *simple* way to mesh code compiled outside of the ports framework first... This is moving slowly, because, as usual when dealing with packages, full satisfying answers are hard to come by. 99% of the solution is not good enough.
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
Alternately, each of us could chip in a little bandwidth and host the torrents. It can be decentralized or use a tracker. The CCC, for example, uses the Pirate Bay for podcasts and conference videos. -Lars Lars Nooden wrote: Ted Unangst wrote: I'd be happy to upload OpenBSD presentations in whatever free format... Nido wrote: what's wrong with $random_ftp_site? If $random_http_site is acceptable despite the weaker protocol and no one is set on a specific domain name, then hosting accounts are available at the Internet Archive: http://www.archive.org/create/ http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content That is assuming it can be done in accordance with the terms of service which do, however, explicitly exclude the bizarre ;) http://www.archive.org/about/terms.php -Lars
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
Alternately, each of us could chip in a little bandwidth and host the torrents. It can be decentralized or use a tracker. The CCC, for example, uses the Pirate Bay for podcasts and conference videos. HAR also has all tracks on the pirate bay (and a few other torrentsites). I'd be happy to seed the openbsd presentations for a while as well. available at the Internet Archive: That is assuming it can be done in accordance with the terms of service which do, however, explicitly exclude the bizarre ;) http://www.archive.org/about/terms.php One of us must have misread. I can only find 'bizarre' in the warning portion.
Re: Wireshark
On Monday 17 August 2009 00:51:28 stan wrote: I realize that there is histroy here but I really need to make this tool work, and OpenBSD is my OS of choice for network related functions. Has anyone gotten wireshark to compile on OpenBSD 4.5? I am trying to build version 1.2.1, if that matters. Hi stan, last version of Wireshark I've successfully compiled was 0.99.8. If you'll have more good luck than me, send a patch to this mailing list. -- Merlyn Aberdeen Scotland -- merlyn merlyn...@gmail.com OpenBSD Padik.invalidnivozik.cz 4.5 GENERIC.MP#108 i386 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
Re: Wireshark
You can also capture the packets with tcpdump and open the pcap file in wireshark on another platform. That's how I do it if I want to use wireshark. Kind regards, Tom merlyn wrote: On Monday 17 August 2009 00:51:28 stan wrote: I realize that there is histroy here but I really need to make this tool work, and OpenBSD is my OS of choice for network related functions. Has anyone gotten wireshark to compile on OpenBSD 4.5? I am trying to build version 1.2.1, if that matters. Hi stan, last version of Wireshark I've successfully compiled was 0.99.8. If you'll have more good luck than me, send a patch to this mailing list. -- Merlyn Aberdeen Scotland
Zero Channel Raid?
Hi, I'm due to take delivery tomorrow of a new-to-me SuperMicro 2U server with the X5DPA-8GG motherboard. Onboard is an Adaptec AIC-7902 U320 SCSI controller but it also has a ZCR slot. I'd intended to just use the disks as sd0 - sd5, but now I also see on the fleabay that I can get an LSI MegaRAID SCSI 320-0X card for $40. Is there a huge downside to the ZCR card? Docs say that it adds RAID to the motherboard based SCSI, and that card is listed under the ami group. However, the LSI docs also say it adds RAID to a system motherboard that has the LSI Logic 53C1020 or 53C1030 SCSI chip. and I see no mention of those chips in the SuperMicro motherboard manual. Anybody know if this will work? Even if it does work, is the ZCR raid worth having? Based on my previous experience with MegaRAID cards, I know I'll need a BBU to get any performance at all so the card isn't really $40 but it is still within budget. Thanks as always, Jeff
Re: Zero Channel Raid?
ZCR is marketing fluff. It ads nothing. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 04:42:10PM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm due to take delivery tomorrow of a new-to-me SuperMicro 2U server with the X5DPA-8GG motherboard. Onboard is an Adaptec AIC-7902 U320 SCSI controller but it also has a ZCR slot. I'd intended to just use the disks as sd0 - sd5, but now I also see on the fleabay that I can get an LSI MegaRAID SCSI 320-0X card for $40. Is there a huge downside to the ZCR card? Docs say that it adds RAID to the motherboard based SCSI, and that card is listed under the ami group. However, the LSI docs also say it adds RAID to a system motherboard that has the LSI Logic 53C1020 or 53C1030 SCSI chip. and I see no mention of those chips in the SuperMicro motherboard manual. Yeah, it doesn't work for starters. It basically is software raid so you need driver assist. Don't fall in this marketing trap. Anybody know if this will work? Even if it does work, is the ZCR raid worth having? Based on my previous experience with MegaRAID cards, I know I'll need a BBU to get any performance at all so the card isn't really $40 but it is still within budget. The LSI U320 card beats the pants of Adaptec but not when used in zero channel. Thanks as always, Jeff
Re: Zero Channel Raid?
Marco Peereboom wrote: ZCR is marketing fluff. It ads nothing. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 04:42:10PM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm due to take delivery tomorrow of a new-to-me SuperMicro 2U server with the X5DPA-8GG motherboard. Onboard is an Adaptec AIC-7902 U320 SCSI controller but it also has a ZCR slot. I'd intended to just use the disks as sd0 - sd5, but now I also see on the fleabay that I can get an LSI MegaRAID SCSI 320-0X card for $40. Is there a huge downside to the ZCR card? Docs say that it adds RAID to the motherboard based SCSI, and that card is listed under the ami group. However, the LSI docs also say it adds RAID to a system motherboard that has the LSI Logic 53C1020 or 53C1030 SCSI chip. and I see no mention of those chips in the SuperMicro motherboard manual. Yeah, it doesn't work for starters. It basically is software raid so you need driver assist. Don't fall in this marketing trap. Anybody know if this will work? Even if it does work, is the ZCR raid worth having? Based on my previous experience with MegaRAID cards, I know I'll need a BBU to get any performance at all so the card isn't really $40 but it is still within budget. The LSI U320 card beats the pants of Adaptec but not when used in zero channel. Thanks as always, Jeff !DSPAM:4a8c85c2233201476412727! Thanks, Marco! As always, exactly what I needed to hear. I've seen some real LSI U320 cards on the fleabay at around $100 so I'll just hold out for the real deal. Jeff
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Lars Noodenlars.cura...@gmail.com wrote: If $random_http_site is acceptable despite the weaker protocol and no one is set on a specific domain name, then hosting accounts are available at the Internet Archive: http://www.archive.org/create/ http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content Well, I tried. The video was mostly uploaded when Firefox crashed with an Illegal Instruction. I was going to try again, but then logging in again to archive.org, the email and password I registered an hour before don't work. Some things are not meant to be.
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:12:24PM +0300, Lars Nooden wrote: Flash wasn't really used until YouTube started pushing it on sheeple. I was making flash animations in 1999. flash based websites were very common by 2005, when youtube started. theora is not a product of FOSS. it was abandoned by On2 a decade ago, because it was already obsolete then. the theora bitstream format was not finalized until 2008. only recently has theora been able to compete with other, more modern, video compression codecs. there still exists no usable theora decoder for first and second generation iphones, despite efforts by the FOSS community to create one. until HTML 5, there has been no standardised way to embed video into web pages. flash has been used to embed content into web pages for at least a decade. I wonder, what percentage of browsers in use today support video, and what percent have a working flash player? I'm not saying flash is good. I'm saying there has not been, and really still isn't, a technically better option for usably embedding video into web pages. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Is anyone using the TeX Live DVD binaries for OpenBSD?
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Edd Barrettvex...@gmail.com wrote: Over at the TeX Live camp we are wondering if anyone is using the binaries found on the DVD distributed by the TeX User Group on OpenBSD? I haven't used those particular binaries, but in my quest to get a working DocBook XML - PDF toolchain set up on OpenBSD 4.5. I did install texlive from ports, first main, and then full. The binaries ran but I ran into errors converting .fo to .pdf with pdftex. I bulled ahead and installed the 2008 texlive from TUG, but still errors. Say I do: pdftex --interaction nonstopmode pdfxmltex newtest.fo Then I get: -snip- (/usr/local/texlive/2008/texmf-dist/tex/latex/psnfss/t1phv.fd File: t1phv.fd 2001/06/04 scalable font definitions for T1/phv. ) LaTeX Font Info:Font shape `T1/phv/bx/n' in size 24.8832 not available (Font) Font shape `T1/phv/b/n' tried instead on input line 2. ! LaTeX Error: Something's wrong--perhaps a missing \item. -snip- The file 'newtest.fo' -- from a Docbook 4.2 xml source -- produces pdf output just fine using a commercial tool. Thoughts? (Sorry if this is such a sketchy report, but I'm pressed for time right now!) -- No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely because I have a pet halibut?
Re: de facto standards (Re: 4.6 will be released on October 1st?)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Jacob Meuserjake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:12:24PM +0300, Lars Nooden wrote: Flash wasn't really used until YouTube started pushing it on sheeple. I was making flash animations in 1999. flash based websites were very common by 2005, when youtube started. Indeed. The flash plugin part of the openbsd FAQ even predates youtube. until HTML 5, there has been no standardised way to embed video into web pages. flash has been used to embed content into web pages for at least a decade. I wonder, what percentage of browsers in use today support video, and what percent have a working flash player? Well, there's 3 browsers. But Chrome is out (only betas, basically Windows only) and Opera is out (proprietary). So that leaves Firefox 3.5. But the shipping release of OpenBSD doesn't include it, and the next release of OpenBSD will include a version with known vulnerabilities. So good luck. :)
