Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 07:16:27 +0100 Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:48:29PM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:45:13 -0700 (MST) Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote: Really, I meant, Where would Carmen San Diego find a Lemote Yeeloong in the US? diana I was wondering when Loongson based systems would start showing up, but the following was a wonderful surprise: http://www.lemote.com/english/index.html The world's first laptop which contains completely free software. All system source files(BIOS, kernel, drivers etc.) are free , no close firmware needed.High performance. Tests show that our platform gets the best performance for 7-9ultra mobile laptops. ... Any vendor that puts the above on their home page, and lives up to it, deserves support. The Dutch Tekmote company sells them for under EUR 350 including shipping and VAT, and they seem to ship worldwide. I'd guess there's no Small correction: the price mentioned are without VAT and shipping. Ooops! --That will teach me to try reading the Neeeddderrlunds! Here's the English version http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/ One thing you might want to note is the pricing at Tekmote is about double the suggested prices. The other thing you might want to note is Tekmote claims to have a Yeeloong model with a Loongson 2F 900MHz and 10 displays, but the manufacturer specs state 800MHz and 8.9 displays? http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-003-B versus http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html If you are surprised the little machine exists, you might also be surprised by these urls: It wasn't a complete surprise... I've been drooling over Miod's CVS log messages on source-changes@ http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html and http://www.drijf.net/pictures/lemote/ Miod did the big bulk of work, he had to do some of his magic to get this working facing very nasty processor bugs. Matthieu had X working in a breeze and I did assorted things here and there, fixing a gcc propolice bug that potentially could harm other platforms as well being the most important one. If you want to move things forward, please get jasper@ a machine. We need ports! -Otto I'm curious if the processor bugs were with the Loongson 2E or 2F ? For notes, I've already started the process of trying to contact Lemote to see about *ahem* availability of their products, but I won't make any promises my wallet can't keep (Sorry Kurt). For full system and ports bulk builds (i.e. OpenBSD infrastructure), the Yeeloong netbook/laptop is not the best choice. It seems the Fuloong 2F would be a better choice (size/power/heat), and Lemote also seems to have some rather interesting motherboards which could be even better. http://www.lemote.com/english/fuloong.html http://www.lemote.com/english/motherboard.html jon
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:22:37 -0800 J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org wrote: Miod did the big bulk of work, he had to do some of his magic to get this working facing very nasty processor bugs. Matthieu had X working in a breeze and I did assorted things here and there, fixing a gcc propolice bug that potentially could harm other platforms as well being the most important one. If you want to move things forward, please get jasper@ a machine. We need ports! -Otto I'm curious if the processor bugs were with the Loongson 2E or 2F ? RTFM! It's the 2F according to www.openbsd.org/loongson.html
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 12:22:37AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 07:16:27 +0100 Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:48:29PM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:45:13 -0700 (MST) Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote: Really, I meant, Where would Carmen San Diego find a Lemote Yeeloong in the US? diana I was wondering when Loongson based systems would start showing up, but the following was a wonderful surprise: http://www.lemote.com/english/index.html The world's first laptop which contains completely free software. All system source files(BIOS, kernel, drivers etc.) are free , no close firmware needed.High performance. Tests show that our platform gets the best performance for 7-9ultra mobile laptops. ... Any vendor that puts the above on their home page, and lives up to it, deserves support. The Dutch Tekmote company sells them for under EUR 350 including shipping and VAT, and they seem to ship worldwide. I'd guess there's no Small correction: the price mentioned are without VAT and shipping. Ooops! --That will teach me to try reading the Neeeddderrlunds! Here's the English version http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/ One thing you might want to note is the pricing at Tekmote is about double the suggested prices. The other thing you might want to note is Tekmote claims to have a Yeeloong model with a Loongson 2F 900MHz and 10 displays, but the manufacturer specs state 800MHz and 8.9 displays? There are two models. I have the 10 model. It really has a 10 screen, but indeed it runs at 800MHz. Also, while a little video hole is there, the camera hardware seems to be absent or not connected. The 8.9 version does have a working camera. Dmesg of my machine below. http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-003-B versus http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html If you are surprised the little machine exists, you might also be surprised by these urls: It wasn't a complete surprise... I've been drooling over Miod's CVS log messages on source-changes@ http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html and http://www.drijf.net/pictures/lemote/ Miod did the big bulk of work, he had to do some of his magic to get this working facing very nasty processor bugs. Matthieu had X working in a breeze and I did assorted things here and there, fixing a gcc propolice bug that potentially could harm other platforms as well being the most important one. If you want to move things forward, please get jasper@ a machine. We need ports! -Otto I'm curious if the processor bugs were with the Loongson 2E or 2F ? 2F for sure, 2E I don't know. One of the problems here is that no errata are published. For notes, I've already started the process of trying to contact Lemote to see about *ahem* availability of their products, but I won't make any promises my wallet can't keep (Sorry Kurt). For full system and ports bulk builds (i.e. OpenBSD infrastructure), the Yeeloong netbook/laptop is not the best choice. It seems the Fuloong 2F would be a better choice (size/power/heat), and Lemote also seems to have some rather interesting motherboards which could be even better. http://www.lemote.com/english/fuloong.html http://www.lemote.com/english/motherboard.html jon Bulk building does not equal working on ports to make them work first. I can image Jasper wanting to work on the road on this. See want.html. -Otto [ using 341904 bytes of bsd ELF symbol table ] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Copyright (c) 1995-2010 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. http://www.OpenBSD.org OpenBSD 4.7-beta (GENERIC) #2: Thu Feb 4 09:17:29 CET 2010 o...@rocal:/usr/src/sys/arch/loongson/compile/GENERIC real mem = 1073741824 (1024MB) avail mem = 1044283392 (995MB) mainbus0 at root cpu0 at mainbus0: STC Loongson2F CPU 796 MHz, STC Loongson2F FPU cpu0: cache L1-I 64KB D 64KB 4 way, L2 512KB 4 way clock0 at mainbus0: ticker on int5 using count register bonito0 at mainbus0: memory and PCI-X controller, rev. 1 pci0 at bonito0 bus 0 rl0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Realtek 8139 rev 0x10: irq 5, address 00:23:8b:f2:b4:5b rlphy0 at rl0 phy 0: RTL internal PHY smfb0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 Silicon Motion LynxEM+ rev 0xb0 wsdisplay0 at smfb0 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation) ohci0 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 NEC USB rev 0x44: irq 7, version 1.0 ehci0 at pci0 dev 9 function 1 NEC USB rev 0x05: irq 7 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 NEC EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 glxpcib0 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 AMD CS5536 ISA rev 0x03: rev 3 isa0 at glxpcib0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
J.C. Roberts wrote: I'm curious if the processor bugs were with the Loongson 2E or 2F ? For notes, I've already started the process of trying to contact Lemote to see about *ahem* availability of their products, but I won't make any promises my wallet can't keep (Sorry Kurt). Can you post what you find out? I tried unsuccessfully a few months back to find out about the development motherboards and still want to know pricing and availability. They look useful for many things. /Lars
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 12:22:37AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: One thing you might want to note is the pricing at Tekmote is about double the suggested prices. where did you find suggested prices? In what currency? -Otto
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: There are two models. I have the 10 model. It really has a 10 screen, but indeed it runs at 800MHz. Also, while a little video hole is there, the camera hardware seems to be absent or not connected. The 8.9 version does have a working camera. Dmesg of my machine below. I had been considering buying one of these laptops in the last months. These machines are interesting, and I had been looking at them since they were available a year ago. However, these machines are expensive so I would prefer not making a mistake here, as buying one will be challenging to me. It is nice to know what problems they have before making a decision. The information you are providing about real/recommended price and hardware weaknesses is very useful. However, I would like to ask a question about its firmware. May these laptops run a generic PMON2000 firmware or do they need a customized one? It would be nice being able to track the latest releases of the firmware developed by Opsycon instead of trusting the one provided by Lemote will be maintained for years on this laptop model (i.e., it would be nice being able to run the 3.x releases).
Re: Is OpenBSD + PF accredited or certified in any way ?
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:10:59PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote: 2010/2/3 Jean-Francois jfsimon1...@gmail.com: Not clear for me, does this firewall reach EAL4+ or EAL6 as stated in their doc Certified by the BSI according to CC at the level EAL 4+ http://www.genua.de/genua/kunden/index.en.html ITYM http://www.genua.de/produkte/firewall/genugate/zerti/index.en.html The EAL6 refers to the augmentations they did to the EAL4 package (the + in EAL4+). Nonetheless, neither means *anything* unless you've also read the claims they've made (Security Target). In theory, they could evaluate the whole firewall under the assumption that no network connections are present and *still* get a valid EAL4+ certification - so you really need to know what the claims were. Genua themselves don't seem to provide easy access on their own site to the Security Target (though I didn't search very thoroughly), but you stand a good chance of finding the full public report on http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/ Cheerio, Thomas -- ** PLEASE: NO Cc's to me privately, I do read the list - thanks! ** - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:03:55 +0100 Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 12:22:37AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: One thing you might want to note is the pricing at Tekmote is about double the suggested prices. where did you find suggested prices? In what currency? Oddly enough, wikipedia but sadly there's no reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemote
Re: Fw: pico and/or nano in the releases and snapshots
On 2010-02-03, Giridhari giridh...@live.com.au wrote: I was very comfortable with pico, and nano. I am running a new system with multiprocessor kernel, and currently have no support for the ZTE MF626 modem I connect via cellular network with. search the list archives for suggestions about the MF626. the diff for sys/dev/usb is probably ok, the problem the person trying it had was most likely to do with ppp configuration. I have tried installing the package of pico but it failed, so I installed it's dependencies, but pico still would not install because it had partially installed, would not pkg_delete (not even when forced), and I could not find a way to clean this up. failed? how? this is a really poor quality bug report. if you spent the time to write a good bug report instead of ranting, you would have it running by now. packages work pretty well for a lot of people. I fly with those. PLEASE INCLUDE PICO OR NANO OR BOTH IN A NEW SNAPSHOT pico is part of pine/alpine, Apache 2 licensed, not suitable for adding to base. nano is GPLv3 licensed, again not suitable for adding to base.
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Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:15:50 +0100 Igor Sobrado igor.sobr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: There are two models. I have the 10 model. It really has a 10 screen, but indeed it runs at 800MHz. Also, while a little video hole is there, the camera hardware seems to be absent or not connected. The 8.9 version does have a working camera. Dmesg of my machine below. I had been considering buying one of these laptops in the last months. These machines are interesting, and I had been looking at them since they were available a year ago. However, these machines are expensive so I would prefer not making a mistake here, as buying one will be challenging to me. It is nice to know what problems they have before making a decision. The information you are providing about real/recommended price and hardware weaknesses is very useful. However, I would like to ask a question about its firmware. May these laptops run a generic PMON2000 firmware or do they need a customized one? It would be nice being able to track the latest releases of the firmware developed by Opsycon instead of trusting the one provided by Lemote will be maintained for years on this laptop model (i.e., it would be nice being able to run the 3.x releases). I made the mistake of not (recently) reading the loongson.html page or reading the links from it... --so at least you're not alone. :-) http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html The above links to the only known details on the bugs in *SOME* of the 2F processors (supposedly fixed in newer 2F processors). http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-11/msg00387.html Of course, the above means some 2F processors will have the bug(s) while others will not have them. I have no clue how to tell them apart without errata and part numbers. The fact they are not providing errata or part numbers of effected chips is highly annoying. Also note the Projects section of loongson.html. It mentions work to be don on PMON-based boot loader. The source for the Lemote PMON firmware is available. various code: http://dev.lemote.com/code/ particularly: http://dev.lemote.com/code/pmon/ Figuring out the differences between the PMON Lemote is providing, and the PMON Opsycon provides is not impossible, but blindly slapping the Opsycon PMON onto your system could transform it into a very expensive paper weight. -jon
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:15:50AM +0100, Igor Sobrado wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote: There are two models. I have the 10 model. It really has a 10 screen, but indeed it runs at 800MHz. Also, while a little video hole is there, the camera hardware seems to be absent or not connected. The 8.9 version does have a working camera. Dmesg of my machine below. I had been considering buying one of these laptops in the last months. These machines are interesting, and I had been looking at them since they were available a year ago. However, these machines are expensive so I would prefer not making a mistake here, as buying one will be challenging to me. It is nice to know what problems they have before making a decision. The information you are providing about real/recommended price and hardware weaknesses is very useful. One other thing I noticed is that the WiFI antenna is weak. However, I would like to ask a question about its firmware. May these laptops run a generic PMON2000 firmware or do they need a customized one? It would be nice being able to track the latest releases of the firmware developed by Opsycon instead of trusting the one provided by Lemote will be maintained for years on this laptop model (i.e., it would be nice being able to run the 3.x releases). They are using a modified pmon, Source is open. See http://olph.gdium.com/wiki/doku.php/manual:pmon_full I don't expect a genuine pmon to work without modification. Also, we plan to have our own small bootloader, one that reads ffs and so can boot from the bsd root device instead of a bsd stored on a linux ext2 fs. In the end there will only be a small ext2/fat/iso partition needed to bootstrap. BTW, the pmon on the Yeeloong seems to be very buggy wrt fat access. Pmon is pretty limited and the menu they provide hurts more than it helps: kernel symbol info and bootpath info is not available if the menu is used, only if the boot command is entered directly on the pmon prompt. So it might be interesting to have a better pmon, but otoh, the goal is to leave the boot environmet asap and get bsd running, of course. I rather spend time working on the interesting side of things. -Otto
Switching to Postfix Using OpenBSD Package
Hi, I wish to switch (or try switching) to Postfix from sendmail (as it comes with OpenBSD; I'm on 4.6). What I am trying to find out having a devil of a time doing is whether the OpenBSD package of Postfix comes with TLS support compiled in, or if I will have to compile Postfix from source in order to get TLS. I want to do SMTP Auth/STARTTLS. Ideally, I'd like to just use packages. Sendmail that comes with OpenBSD stock does TLS but needs to be compiled from source in order to do SMTP Auth (I'm given to understand). Postfix seems able to do SMTP Auth in the OpenBSD package version, but I can't get TLS to work nor can I find whether the package has that capability compiled in. The Postfix web site suggest that TLS is not compiled in by default. Just a hint would make my day (or late night, as the case may be). Apologies if I've rambled, I've been up for god knows how many hours. Kind regards, H.
Re: Switching to Postfix Using OpenBSD Package
Ruby Quincunx wrote: Hi, I wish to switch (or try switching) to Postfix from sendmail (as it comes with OpenBSD; I'm on 4.6). What I am trying to find out having a devil of a time doing is whether the OpenBSD package of Postfix comes with TLS support compiled in, or if I will have to compile Postfix from source in order to get TLS. I want to do SMTP Auth/STARTTLS. Ideally, I'd like to just use packages. AFAICT it's always compiled in unconditionally. From /usr/ports/mail/postfix/Makefile.inc: MAKE_CCARGS+= -DUSE_TLS MAKE_AUXLIBS+= -lssl -lcrypto
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: OpenBSD apache 1.3 != apache 1.3 What is wrong with apache in base? And if you don't like it what is wrong with apache 2 in ports? Or any other web server in ports for that matter. On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 07:21:03PM -0800, David wrote: Given the above, is openbsd going to stick with Apache 1.3? My question after reading the news was: Will OpenBSD update its in-base Apache to 1.3.42, or will it stick with 1.3.29? If not I'd like to know why. I can understand the licensing issue of upgrading to Apache 2, the fact that updating an in-base program such as Apache which, AFAIK, has had some improvements from the OpenBSD people, might be time consuming, and the fact that maybe Apache 1.3.29 it's just good enough. But I'd like to know which one of these theories is correct, I'm just curious. Greetings.
Re: Switching to Postfix Using OpenBSD Package
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 02:54:53 -0700, Ruby Quincunx wrote: Hi, I wish to switch (or try switching) to Postfix from sendmail (as it comes with OpenBSD; I'm on 4.6). What I am trying to find out having a devil of a time doing is whether the OpenBSD package of Postfix comes with TLS support compiled in, or if I will have to compile Postfix from source in order to get TLS. I want to do SMTP Auth/STARTTLS. Ideally, I'd like to just use packages. Sendmail that comes with OpenBSD stock does TLS but needs to be compiled from source in order to do SMTP Auth (I'm given to understand). Postfix seems able to do SMTP Auth in the OpenBSD package version, but I can't get TLS to work nor can I find whether the package has that capability compiled in. The Postfix web site suggest that TLS is not compiled in by default. Just a hint would make my day (or late night, as the case may be). Apologies if I've rambled, I've been up for god knows how many hours. Kind regards, H. http://openports.se/mail/postfix/stable tells what is available in packages. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: MacBook Air SSD not found
Hi,
Thanks for the patch - good idea. However
Since the firmware on the MacBook Air in question does not recognise non-OSX
(HFS+) USB memory sticks, I could only test this patch by applying it on
another machine's tree, then 'make release' and burning the created cd47.iso
to a CDROM. Upon booting from the CDROM on the 'Air, it just hangs at the SSD
disk detection line in dmesg. Further if I 'boot -c' to try to enable verbose
booting in UKC, then it just sits at the UKC prompt, due to the fact that
neither the internal or a USB keyboard work at that point.
any ideas ?
/Pete
On 29. jan. 2010, at 20.15, Brynet wrote:
Hi,
Perhaps it's unrelated to your problem, but you could try forcing your
SATA controller into AHCI mode.. maybe you'll see your drive then.
-Bryan.
Index: dev/pci/ahci.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/pci/ahci.c,v
retrieving revision 1.158
diff -N -u dev/pci/ahci.c
--- dev/pci/ahci.c21 Jan 2010 10:16:44 - 1.158
+++ dev/pci/ahci.c29 Jan 2010 19:11:12 -
@@ -442,6 +442,8 @@
{ PCI_VENDOR_INTEL, PCI_PRODUCT_INTEL_82801H_RAID,
NULL, NULL },
+ { PCI_VENDOR_INTEL, PCI_PRODUCT_INTEL_82801HBM_SATA,
+ NULL, NULL },
{ PCI_VENDOR_NVIDIA,PCI_PRODUCT_NVIDIA_MCP65_AHCI_2,
NULL, ahci_nvidia_mcp_attach },
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
The license for the new 1.3 stuff is also unacceptable (same as 2). Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 07:51:48AM -0300, Andr?s wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: OpenBSD apache 1.3 != apache 1.3 What is wrong with apache in base? And if you don't like it what is wrong with apache 2 in ports? Or any other web server in ports for that matter. On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 07:21:03PM -0800, David wrote: Given the above, is openbsd going to stick with Apache 1.3? My question after reading the news was: Will OpenBSD update its in-base Apache to 1.3.42, or will it stick with 1.3.29? If not I'd like to know why. I can understand the licensing issue of upgrading to Apache 2, the fact that updating an in-base program such as Apache which, AFAIK, has had some improvements from the OpenBSD people, might be time consuming, and the fact that maybe Apache 1.3.29 it's just good enough. But I'd like to know which one of these theories is correct, I'm just curious. Greetings.
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Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 07:16:27AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: [...] If you want to move things forward, please get jasper@ a machine. We need ports! -Otto Thanks to two generous donors I will be able to buy a Yeeloong now. Cheers, Jasper -- Intelligence should guide our actions, but in harmony with the texture of the situation at hand -- Francisco Varela
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Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:15:50 +0100, Igor Sobrado igor.sobr...@gmail.com wrote: However, I would like to ask a question about its firmware. May these laptops run a generic PMON2000 firmware or do they need a customized one? It would be nice being able to track the latest releases of the firmware developed by Opsycon instead of trusting the one provided by Lemote will be maintained for years on this laptop model (i.e., it would be nice being able to run the 3.x releases). Lemote uses an older version of PMON2000 (2.x) which lacks a number of features and improvements compared to 3.x. The menu system is something Lemote did as well. Moving the Lemote systems to 3.x should not be to much work since their source code, eg low level initialization, is available. So it's actually a matter of time and acces to the HW. 3.x, btw, is used in Linksys NSS4000 and NSS6000 NAS boxes. Per
Re: disknice
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 01:59:18AM -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: On Thursday 04 February 2010 01:44:15 Ted Unangst wrote: I haven't really solved the problem I want to solve, but was able to whip this up pretty quickly. Basically, it's just a wrapper that runs a command and then starves it from running. disknice is a misnomer, it also gets starved from cpu, but at the current time the only way to slow down a process's io is to stop it. Not a complete solution, but it will slow down a large tar job to the point where other programs have plenty of time to get their requests in. The sleep ratios should be tunable, aren't. time disknice md5 -t I'm definitely going to play with this. To retard a process might be a better word, but might raise objections, so arrest, bridle or moderate might be better? --STeve Andre' 'filibuster' the process? Ken
Re: disknice
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:59:36AM -0500, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 01:59:18AM -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: On Thursday 04 February 2010 01:44:15 Ted Unangst wrote: I haven't really solved the problem I want to solve, but was able to whip this up pretty quickly. Basically, it's just a wrapper that runs a command and then starves it from running. disknice is a misnomer, it also gets starved from cpu, but at the current time the only way to slow down a process's io is to stop it. Not a complete solution, but it will slow down a large tar job to the point where other programs have plenty of time to get their requests in. The sleep ratios should be tunable, aren't. time disknice md5 -t I'm definitely going to play with this. To retard a process might be a better word, but might raise objections, so arrest, bridle or moderate might be better? --STeve Andre' 'filibuster' the process? 'healthily debate' the process, if you're in the US Ken
Re: Is OpenBSD + PF accredited or certified in any way ?
On 2 February 2010 10:06, Keith ke...@scott-land.net wrote: I've used OpenBSD PF for a number of years without issue and am now in the position that I want to create a dmz between the Internet and my organisations WAN. Our security people are asking if the firewall that we use is accreditated by ITSEC and I am pretty sure it isn't but it turns out that our security people will be happy is the firewall is accredited for use by another government ! For the interest factor (and since I can't find the email it's just hearsay), I sent an email to the OpenBSD sparc mailing list in December 2005 and to my surprise, received an out-of-office on-holidays bounce back from someone in the Pentagon Army Operations Center! However, governments the World over staffed with people who hate their jobs, have difficulty getting public transport working. So how they're supposed to accredit something as complex as an OS is beyond me! That sort of crap is for arse covering anyway. For washing ones hands of the problem and being able to claim to have performed due diligence, even if they know it's a bullshit exercise.
Re: disknice
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 01:20:32PM +0100, Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:59:36AM -0500, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 01:59:18AM -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: On Thursday 04 February 2010 01:44:15 Ted Unangst wrote: I haven't really solved the problem I want to solve, but was able to whip this up pretty quickly. Basically, it's just a wrapper that runs a command and then starves it from running. disknice is a misnomer, it also gets starved from cpu, but at the current time the only way to slow down a process's io is to stop it. Not a complete solution, but it will slow down a large tar job to the point where other programs have plenty of time to get their requests in. The sleep ratios should be tunable, aren't. time disknice md5 -t I'm definitely going to play with this. To retard a process might be a better word, but might raise objections, so arrest, bridle or moderate might be better? --STeve Andre' 'filibuster' the process? 'healthily debate' the process, if you're in the US Ken ^C == cloture Ken
Re: Switching to Postfix Using OpenBSD Package
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 02:54:53AM -0700, Ruby Quincunx wrote: Hi, I wish to switch (or try switching) to Postfix from sendmail (as it comes with OpenBSD; I'm on 4.6). What I am trying to find out having a devil of a time doing is whether the OpenBSD package of Postfix comes with TLS support compiled in, or if I will have to compile Postfix from source in order to get TLS. I want to do SMTP Auth/STARTTLS. Ideally, I'd like to just use packages. Sendmail that comes with OpenBSD stock does TLS but needs to be compiled from source in order to do SMTP Auth (I'm given to understand). Postfix seems able to do SMTP Auth in the OpenBSD package version, but I can't get TLS to work nor can I find whether the package has that capability compiled in. The Postfix web site suggest that TLS is not compiled in by default. Just a hint would make my day (or late night, as the case may be). Apologies if I've rambled, I've been up for god knows how many hours. Kind regards, H. cd /usr/ports/postfix/snapshot export FLAVOR=sasl2 make clean make install or (even better) export PKG_PATH=mirror of your choice pkg_add postfix-2.7.20091209-sasl2.tgz or, if you want -stable rather than -snapshot pkg_add postfix-2.6.5-sasl2.tgz And follow the Postfix manual/web/whatever. That's what I did. I also bought some Postfix books. Eventually I got it working with TLS. Ken
Re: Switching to Postfix Using OpenBSD Package
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 07:07:35AM -0500, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: or (even better) export PKG_PATH=mirror of your choice pkg_add postfix-2.7.20091209-sasl2.tgz or, if you want -stable rather than -snapshot pkg_add postfix-2.6.5-sasl2.tgz And follow the Postfix manual/web/whatever. That's what I did. I also bought some Postfix books. Eventually I got it working with TLS. FWIW, postfix also supports the dovecot sasl implementation without the need for the sasl2 flavor.
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
If you're still at a loss for a supplier, Wim has had these listed for a while now http://lemote.kd85.com/ https://kd85.com/lemote.html Sevan
Re: Switching to Postfix Using OpenBSD Package
On 2010-02-04, Dan Harnett dan...@harnett.name wrote:
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 07:07:35AM -0500, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
or (even better)
export PKG_PATH=mirror of your choice
pkg_add postfix-2.7.20091209-sasl2.tgz
or, if you want -stable rather than -snapshot
pkg_add postfix-2.6.5-sasl2.tgz
And follow the Postfix manual/web/whatever. That's what I did. I also bought
some Postfix books. Eventually I got it working with TLS.
FWIW, postfix also supports the dovecot sasl implementation without the
need for the sasl2 flavor.
Postfix+Dovecot gives a fairly straightforward way to get
SMTP auth working, something along these lines:
smtp_tls_security_level = may
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated
reject_unauth_destination
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes
smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/cert.pem
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/dovecotcert.pem
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/dovecot.pem
smtpd_tls_security_level = may
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:/var/postfix/smtpd_scache
smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 7200s
and in the socket listen { ... } section of dovecot.conf, something like
client {
path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
mode = 0660
user = _postfix
group = _postfix
}
Re: disknice
2010/2/4 Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com:
I haven't really solved the problem I want to solve, but was able to whip
this up pretty quickly. Basically, it's just a wrapper that runs a
command and then starves it from running. disknice is a misnomer, it also
gets starved from cpu, but at the current time the only way to slow down a
process's io is to stop it. Not a complete solution, but it will slow
down a large tar job to the point where other programs have plenty of time
to get their requests in. The sleep ratios should be tunable, aren't.
time disknice md5 -t
MD5 time trial. Processing 1 1-byte blocks...
Digest = 52e5f9c9e6f656f3e1800dfa5579d089
Time = 3.339803 seconds
Speed = 29941885.793863 bytes/second
0m3.50s real 0m0.30s user 0m0.00s system
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/wait.h
#include signal.h
#include stdlib.h
#include unistd.h
int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int i;
char **nargv;
pid_t pid;
int status;
const int onesec = 100;
nargv = malloc((sizeof(*nargv) * argc + 1));
for (i = 1; i argc; i++) {
nargv[i-1] = argv[i];
}
nargv[i-1] = NULL;
pid = fork();
if (pid == -1)
err(127, fork);
if (!pid) {
execvp(nargv[0], nargv);
write(2, failed to exec\n, 15);
_exit(127);
}
usleep(10);
while (!waitpid(pid, status, WNOHANG)) {
kill(pid, SIGSTOP);
usleep(onesec / 2);
kill(pid, SIGCONT);
usleep(onesec / 10);
}
return WEXITSTATUS(status);
}
I really like this idea, is there any way we could watch how much IO a
process is doing ?
We could then decide to SIGSTOP it, I know it's still not a solution
but I could use that.
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
However, I would like to ask a question about its firmware. May these
laptops run a generic PMON2000 firmware or do they need a customized
one? It would be nice being able to track the latest releases of the
firmware developed by Opsycon instead of trusting the one provided by
Lemote will be maintained for years on this laptop model (i.e., it
would be nice being able to run the 3.x releases).
You do not want to tinker with the firmware. The stock PMON2000 does not
support these machines, so you'll need to start with the pmon code
provided by Lemote, and saying that it is in a dire need of cleaning is
an understatement.
But I will share this excerpt from pmon/cmds/menulist2f.c:
#if 0
static char* asc_pic[] =
{ .--, .--, ,
( ( \\.---./ ) ) ,
'.__/o o\\__.' ,
{= ^ =} ,
- ,
/ \\ ,
// ,
//| . | ,
\'\\ /'\_.-~^`'-. ,
\\ _ /--' ` ,
___)( )(___ ,
(((__) (__))) };
static int asc_pic_line = 12;
#else
static char* asc_pic[] =
{,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
};
static int asc_pic_line = 12;
#
#endif
or blatant bugs like this, in the same file:
static int show_main(int flag, const char* path)
{
int i, j;
unsigned int cnt;
int dly ;
int retid;
[...]
i = 1;
ioctl(STDIN, FIONBIO, j);
ioctl(STDIN, FIOASYNC, j);
with j never having been initialized, of course.
But wait, four lines later you've got a static buffer overflow:
str_line[(sizeof(str_line))] = '\0';
not to mention unbalanced indentation, whole sections commented by //
while other will be in #if 0 ... #endif blocks (with the # starting at
column 40 so you don't notice them at first glance), and so on.
Did I mention this code ways crying loud to be cleaned up? I was wrong.
It is crying loud to be rewritten.
I won't volunteer for that work myself.
Miod
ouch
I just finished installing the most recent snapshot, rebooted and ran sysmerge. I powered down the system, booted it up again, logged into my account, and was greeted by: panic: kernel trap (ignored) The timing was absolutely perfect, and for half a moment I wondered, so I wish to thank the the hilarious nameless bastard with the foresight to add the above text to the default input file of fortune(6). -jcr
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Download rate and sysctl settings
If I may ask, I post to the list this question (I have no purpose on creating flames/trolls/os wars, just for my personal knowledge). On the same box (Core 2 Duo, Realtek Gigabit ethernet) I've performed today this simple test, downloading a big file from wu-wien FTP site (it's one of OpenBSD main mirrors). With a clean, partially configured default install of Linux Slackware (kernel 2.6.25) I reached download speeds of about 2.5 MB/s, while the same file from same server (not a round robin server for sure) downloaded on OpenBSD default 4.6 install hardly reached 400 KB/s. I repeated the test again two times, and got the same results. Then I fell over a page (https://calomel.org/network_performance.html) that offers some tweaking to OpenBSD's sysctl, and I dumbly pasted them in my sysctl.conf and rebooted. As (not) expected, download rate in OpenBSD reached almost exactly the same results of Linux Slackware. The main question is why? Do I need to tweak something more to get even better results? Are those settings safe enough to be used? Or the default settings had a strong reason for being there? Why on the FAQ (chapter 6) it says that tweaking net.inet.tcp.recvspace and net.inet.tcp.sendspace won't led to great improvements, while actually I got them? Again, my intentions are *really* positive and I just want to learn more (a quick search on -misc archives didn't led me to much stuff). Thank you Sebastiano
Re: Download rate and sysctl settings
Le jeudi 04 fivrier 2010 20:00:54, Sebastiano Pomata a icrit : If I may ask, I post to the list this question (I have no purpose on creating flames/trolls/os wars, just for my personal knowledge). On the same box (Core 2 Duo, Realtek Gigabit ethernet) I've performed today this simple test, downloading a big file from wu-wien FTP site (it's one of OpenBSD main mirrors). With a clean, partially configured default install of Linux Slackware (kernel 2.6.25) I reached download speeds of about 2.5 MB/s, while the same file from same server (not a round robin server for sure) downloaded on OpenBSD default 4.6 install hardly reached 400 KB/s. I repeated the test again two times, and got the same results. Then I fell over a page (https://calomel.org/network_performance.html) that offers some tweaking to OpenBSD's sysctl, and I dumbly pasted them in my sysctl.conf and rebooted. As (not) expected, download rate in OpenBSD reached almost exactly the same results of Linux Slackware. The main question is why? Do I need to tweak something more to get even better results? Are those settings safe enough to be used? Or the default settings had a strong reason for being there? Why on the FAQ (chapter 6) it says that tweaking net.inet.tcp.recvspace and net.inet.tcp.sendspace won't led to great improvements, while actually I got them? Again, my intentions are *really* positive and I just want to learn more (a quick search on -misc archives didn't led me to much stuff). Thank you Sebastiano In my opinion, the server limits the bandwith. I've had same issue. Reason why you have 2.5 Mo is'nt clear, for me major openbsd ftp's are limited to approx 400 Ko/sec per session. Regards
Re: Download rate and sysctl settings
Read about bandwidth delay product: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/ John On \!Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 09:36:01PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Le jeudi 04 fivrier 2010 20:00:54, Sebastiano Pomata a icrit : If I may ask, I post to the list this question (I have no purpose on creating flames/trolls/os wars, just for my personal knowledge). On the same box (Core 2 Duo, Realtek Gigabit ethernet) I've performed today this simple test, downloading a big file from wu-wien FTP site (it's one of OpenBSD main mirrors). With a clean, partially configured default install of Linux Slackware (kernel 2.6.25) I reached download speeds of about 2.5 MB/s, while the same file from same server (not a round robin server for sure) downloaded on OpenBSD default 4.6 install hardly reached 400 KB/s. I repeated the test again two times, and got the same results. Then I fell over a page (https://calomel.org/network_performance.html) that offers some tweaking to OpenBSD's sysctl, and I dumbly pasted them in my sysctl.conf and rebooted. As (not) expected, download rate in OpenBSD reached almost exactly the same results of Linux Slackware. The main question is why? Do I need to tweak something more to get even better results? Are those settings safe enough to be used? Or the default settings had a strong reason for being there? Why on the FAQ (chapter 6) it says that tweaking net.inet.tcp.recvspace and net.inet.tcp.sendspace won't led to great improvements, while actually I got them? Again, my intentions are *really* positive and I just want to learn more (a quick search on -misc archives didn't led me to much stuff). Thank you Sebastiano In my opinion, the server limits the bandwith. I've had same issue. Reason why you have 2.5 Mo is'nt clear, for me major openbsd ftp's are limited to approx 400 Ko/sec per session. Regards
Re: MacBook Air SSD not found
Pete Vickers wrote: Hi, Thanks for the patch - good idea. However Since the firmware on the MacBook Air in question does not recognise non-OSX (HFS+) USB memory sticks, I could only test this patch by applying it on another machine's tree, then 'make release' and burning the created cd47.iso to a CDROM. Upon booting from the CDROM on the 'Air, it just hangs at the SSD disk detection line in dmesg. Further if I 'boot -c' to try to enable verbose booting in UKC, then it just sits at the UKC prompt, due to the fact that neither the internal or a USB keyboard work at that point. any ideas ? /Pete Hi, I guess this falls into the category of unrelated problem, could be a PCI interrupt routing issue.. or general Mac insanity. Sorry, I suppose you should file a bug report (..none of the developers really read this list). -Bryan.
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) Sevan
what do you think about ....?
have anice day what do you think about this ?
Re: Download rate and sysctl settings
As doublechecking, I tried with another fast server inside the wan network of our academy, and I'm getting almost the same results (while absolute speeds are different from before, the gap is almost the same in magnitude). I've read the page about tcptune, it's pretty clear now (values are almost the same I edited), still not having clear why on default OpenBSD the transfer rates are so low. thank you all Il 04/02/2010 21.36, Jean-Francois ha scritto: Le jeudi 04 fivrier 2010 20:00:54, Sebastiano Pomata a icrit : If I may ask, I post to the list this question (I have no purpose on creating flames/trolls/os wars, just for my personal knowledge). On the same box (Core 2 Duo, Realtek Gigabit ethernet) I've performed today this simple test, downloading a big file from wu-wien FTP site (it's one of OpenBSD main mirrors). With a clean, partially configured default install of Linux Slackware (kernel 2.6.25) I reached download speeds of about 2.5 MB/s, while the same file from same server (not a round robin server for sure) downloaded on OpenBSD default 4.6 install hardly reached 400 KB/s. I repeated the test again two times, and got the same results. Then I fell over a page (https://calomel.org/network_performance.html) that offers some tweaking to OpenBSD's sysctl, and I dumbly pasted them in my sysctl.conf and rebooted. As (not) expected, download rate in OpenBSD reached almost exactly the same results of Linux Slackware. The main question is why? Do I need to tweak something more to get even better results? Are those settings safe enough to be used? Or the default settings had a strong reason for being there? Why on the FAQ (chapter 6) it says that tweaking net.inet.tcp.recvspace and net.inet.tcp.sendspace won't led to great improvements, while actually I got them? Again, my intentions are *really* positive and I just want to learn more (a quick search on -misc archives didn't led me to much stuff). Thank you Sebastiano In my opinion, the server limits the bandwith. I've had same issue. Reason why you have 2.5 Mo is'nt clear, for me major openbsd ftp's are limited to approx 400 Ko/sec per session. Regards
Re: Download rate and sysctl settings
On 2010-02-04, Sebastiano Pomata sebastianopom...@tiscali.it wrote:
Why on the FAQ (chapter 6) it says that tweaking
net.inet.tcp.recvspace and
net.inet.tcp.sendspace won't led to great improvements, while actually
I got them?
$ cvs annotate faq6.html|grep very.few
Annotations for faq6.html
***
1.234(nick 01-May-06): Note that very few will see any benefit from
this.
This is less true now than when it was written, the average internet
connection has changed a bit since then - fast connections with a bit
of latency (especially if the server you're downloading from is at
some distance) are far more common than they used to be.
You could look at this as a value to estimate the tcp window size
(tcp.{send,recv}space) :-
1,048,576.00 byte/s minimum bandwidth on link (8Mbit/s)
* 0.05 sexpected latency (50ms)
52,428.80 byte
Of course increasing this means that more kernel memory is used
for buffering.
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
I'll trust henning drunk over the apache foundation. On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 09:24:35PM +, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) Sevan
Re: OpenBSD on Wyse C90LE
Disabling echi driver in UKC does the trick. OpenBSD is fully functional on Wyse C90LE. I want to warn people about one thing. The Thin client in question comes with Chrome video card. It looks like Open Chrome driver doesn't support the particular video chip-set. I was running X on VESA driver which is obviously not desirable. I am not sure if there is bug in Open Chrome driver or just chip-set (I think it was 11 when I looked at xorg.log). I sent dmesg to dmesg AT openbsd and I sent one to misc but I think MARK's server bounced me as a spam since it was sent from dynamic IP without reverse DNS. If anybody needs any information about this do not hesitate to send me a private e-mail. Predrag
AMD power reduction
All, I am looking forward to reduce the TDP for a server planned to be built. As low as possible shall be best, is AMD cool'n quiet operating with latest OpenBSD ? Regards
Re: disknice
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't really solved the problem I want to solve, but was able to whip
this up pretty quickly. Basically, it's just a wrapper that runs a
command and then starves it from running. disknice is a misnomer, it also
gets starved from cpu, but at the current time the only way to slow down a
process's io is to stop it. Not a complete solution, but it will slow
down a large tar job to the point where other programs have plenty of time
to get their requests in. The sleep ratios should be tunable, aren't.
time disknice md5 -t
MD5 time trial. Processing 1 1-byte blocks...
Digest = 52e5f9c9e6f656f3e1800dfa5579d089
Time = 3.339803 seconds
Speed = 29941885.793863 bytes/second
0m3.50s real 0m0.30s user 0m0.00s system
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/wait.h
#include signal.h
#include stdlib.h
#include unistd.h
int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int i;
char **nargv;
pid_t pid;
int status;
const int onesec = 100;
nargv = malloc((sizeof(*nargv) * argc + 1));
for (i = 1; i argc; i++) {
nargv[i-1] = argv[i];
}
nargv[i-1] = NULL;
pid = fork();
if (pid == -1)
err(127, fork);
if (!pid) {
execvp(nargv[0], nargv);
write(2, failed to exec\n, 15);
_exit(127);
}
usleep(10);
while (!waitpid(pid, status, WNOHANG)) {
kill(pid, SIGSTOP);
usleep(onesec / 2);
kill(pid, SIGCONT);
usleep(onesec / 10);
}
return WEXITSTATUS(status);
}
May I suggest this diff:
--- disknice.c.orig Fri Feb 05 10:02:49 2010
+++ disknice.c Fri Feb 05 10:03:32 2010
@@ -13,13 +13,9 @@
pid_t pid;
int status;
const int onesec = 100;
-
- nargv = malloc((sizeof(*nargv) * argc + 1));
- for (i = 1; i argc; i++) {
- nargv[i-1] = argv[i];
- }
- nargv[i-1] = NULL;
-
+
+ nargv=argv[1];
+
pid = fork();
if (pid == -1)
err(127, fork);
I think those lines represent a rather inefficient way of doing that,
not to mention a memory leak. You get the same effect by shifting
argv along by one, without having to dabble in allocating memory and
the like.
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I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: I'll trust henning drunk over the apache foundation. On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 09:24:35PM +, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) I dunno, rumor has it he listens to humppa while drinking.
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote:
However, I would like to ask a question about its firmware. May these
laptops run a generic PMON2000 firmware or do they need a customized
one? It would be nice being able to track the latest releases of the
firmware developed by Opsycon instead of trusting the one provided by
Lemote will be maintained for years on this laptop model (i.e., it
would be nice being able to run the 3.x releases).
You do not want to tinker with the firmware. The stock PMON2000 does not
support these machines, so you'll need to start with the pmon code
provided by Lemote, and saying that it is in a dire need of cleaning is
an understatement.
But I will share this excerpt from pmon/cmds/menulist2f.c:
#if 0
static char* asc_pic[] =
{ .--, .--, ,
( ( \\.---./ ) ) ,
'.__/o o\\__.' ,
{= ^ =} ,
- ,
/ \\ ,
// ,
//| . | ,
\'\\ /'\_.-~^`'-. ,
\\ _ /--' ` ,
___)( )(___ ,
(((__) (__))) };
static int asc_pic_line = 12;
#else
static char* asc_pic[] =
{,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
};
static int asc_pic_line = 12;
#
#endif
or blatant bugs like this, in the same file:
static int show_main(int flag, const char* path)
{
int i, j;
unsigned int cnt;
int dly ;
int retid;
[...]
i = 1;
ioctl(STDIN, FIONBIO, j);
ioctl(STDIN, FIOASYNC, j);
with j never having been initialized, of course.
But wait, four lines later you've got a static buffer overflow:
str_line[(sizeof(str_line))] = '\0';
not to mention unbalanced indentation, whole sections commented by //
while other will be in #if 0 ... #endif blocks (with the # starting at
column 40 so you don't notice them at first glance), and so on.
Did I mention this code ways crying loud to be cleaned up? I was wrong.
It is crying loud to be rewritten.
I won't volunteer for that work myself.
Miod
Oh god - my eyes are bleeding after reading those excerpts. That's
sad, especially since (according to Wikipedia) the Loongsoon has
on-chip circuitry to help resist buffer overflow attacks - seems a wee
bit counter-productive.
Unfortunately, 350 euros = about AU$557 at the time of this post,
which is dearer than some x86 netbooks. If we had a local supplier
(which there wouldn't be since it's not running Windoze and there's
not that much of a market for FOSS here) those could very well be
quite price-competitive with the Windoze-based netbooks. Then again,
as an apparent rule the price automatically doubles as soon as it hits
our shores. Of course there's import duties, GST (thanks Howard),
labour hire, storage, et al, but one can't help but feel like they're
being ripped off.
--
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I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse
Re: disknice
Hi Ted,
pid = fork();
if (pid == -1)
err(127, fork);
if (!pid) {
execvp(nargv[0], nargv);
write(2, failed to exec\n, 15);
_exit(127);
}
usleep(10);
while (!waitpid(pid, status, WNOHANG)) {
kill(pid, SIGSTOP);
usleep(onesec / 2);
kill(pid, SIGCONT);
usleep(onesec / 10);
}
return WEXITSTATUS(status);
The basic idea - only giving part of the system resources to the
maintenance job - looks nice, but even after polishing a few details
and doing some integration, i wonder whether the SIGSTOP/SIGCONT
approach is good enough as the standard solution to be included
in base.
For example, i wonder whether on some fast hardware, 100ms of load
might be sufficient to drain a buffer required to burn a CD/DVD?
Or whether 100ms of load every 500ms might be noticeable on some
hardware when watching a video stream or listening to music?
Admittedly i'm just whining. I have no idea how to implement
real priorities for disk IO. So i shall shut up now.
Yours,
Ingo
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com wrote: Oh god - my eyes are bleeding after reading those excerpts. That's sad, especially since (according to Wikipedia) the Loongsoon has on-chip circuitry to help resist buffer overflow attacks - seems a wee bit counter-productive. AKA it supports execute/no execute permissions, like probably every mips chip made in the last 20 years.
Re: Download rate and sysctl settings
On 2010-02-04, Sebastiano Pomata sebastianopom...@tiscali.it wrote: As doublechecking, I tried with another fast server inside the wan network of our academy, and I'm getting almost the same results (while absolute speeds are different from before, the gap is almost the same in magnitude). I've read the page about tcptune, it's pretty clear now (values are almost the same I edited), still not having clear why on default OpenBSD the transfer rates are so low. we try to have safe defaults for the varioous machines/arch that can run OpenBSD. we would need some kind of auto-tuning to incrrease the defaults, and don't have that yet.
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On 2010-02-04, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) huh? you're not forced, there are plenty of other choices. you might want something else for a *busy* server, but what we have now is pretty much fine for base. try diffing Apache 1.3.29 and OpenBSD httpd sometime. there are rather a lot more changes than you might think.
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Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com wrote: Oh god - my eyes are bleeding after reading those excerpts. That's sad, especially since (according to Wikipedia) the Loongsoon has on-chip circuitry to help resist buffer overflow attacks - seems a wee bit counter-productive. AKA it supports execute/no execute permissions, like probably every mips chip made in the last 20 years. Ah, so marketing cruft then. No worries. -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:17 +, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2010-02-04, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) huh? you're not forced, there are plenty of other choices. you might want something else for a *busy* server, but what we have now is pretty much fine for base. try diffing Apache 1.3.29 and OpenBSD httpd sometime. there are rather a lot more changes than you might think. Ya, I know manpower and time, but why don't you guys rewrite Apache from scratch, like you did with IPF? It would stop a lot of these discussions and I am sure there are some things about even the OBSD version that you guys would like changed. Expect no code from me. Feel free to flame away. I could care less. :) Just a suggestion.
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Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
It is very easy to tell other what to do with their spare time isn't it? On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:55:37PM -0500, Eric Furman wrote: On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:17 +, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2010-02-04, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) huh? you're not forced, there are plenty of other choices. you might want something else for a *busy* server, but what we have now is pretty much fine for base. try diffing Apache 1.3.29 and OpenBSD httpd sometime. there are rather a lot more changes than you might think. Ya, I know manpower and time, but why don't you guys rewrite Apache from scratch, like you did with IPF? It would stop a lot of these discussions and I am sure there are some things about even the OBSD version that you guys would like changed. Expect no code from me. Feel free to flame away. I could care less. :) Just a suggestion.
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:55:37 -0500, Eric Furman wrote: try diffing Apache 1.3.29 and OpenBSD httpd sometime. there are rather a lot more changes than you might think. Ya, I know manpower and time, but why don't you guys rewrite Apache from scratch, like you did with IPF? It would stop a lot of these discussions and I am sure there are some things about even the OBSD version that you guys would like changed. Expect no code from me. Feel free to flame away. I could care less. :) Just a suggestion. Well, if you did as was suggested to the OP and diffed the original against the OpenBSD version you would see that lots and lots of work was done already by the devs. That's enough for a simple server in base install. Maybe the IBM trick would shut up silly suggestions. They modified 1.3.? and named it IBM Http Server. Nobody ever asked what they kept up with. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:17 +1100, Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:55:37 -0500, Eric Furman wrote: try diffing Apache 1.3.29 and OpenBSD httpd sometime. there are rather a lot more changes than you might think. Ya, I know manpower and time, but why don't you guys rewrite Apache from scratch, like you did with IPF? It would stop a lot of these discussions and I am sure there are some things about even the OBSD version that you guys would like changed. Expect no code from me. Feel free to flame away. I could care less. :) Just a suggestion. Well, if you did as was suggested to the OP and diffed the original against the OpenBSD version you would see that lots and lots of work was done already by the devs. That's enough for a simple server in base install. Maybe the IBM trick would shut up silly suggestions. They modified 1.3.? and named it IBM Http Server. Nobody ever asked what they kept up with. Yes, if nothing else, this is sorta what I was thinking.
Re: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement1.3.html
On 05/02/2010 02:17, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2010-02-04, Sevan / Venture37ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 February 2010 11:11, Marco Peereboomsl...@peereboom.us wrote: Besides it doesn't have all the Henning love either... blatant case of stockholm syndrome! ;) huh? you're not forced, there are plenty of other choices. you might want something else for a *busy* server, but what we have now is pretty much fine for base. try diffing Apache 1.3.29 and OpenBSD httpd sometime. there are rather a lot more changes than you might think. deep breaths mate, you missed the safety wink! ;) http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openbsd-misc/2010/1/11/6320973 I was kidding. Sevan
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
Oh god - my eyes are bleeding after reading those excerpts. That's sad, especially since (according to Wikipedia) the Loongsoon has on-chip circuitry to help resist buffer overflow attacks - seems a wee bit counter-productive. AKA it supports execute/no execute permissions, like probably every mips chip made in the last 20 years. No, execute (or lack of) permission is quite an alien concept to mips chips. The Loongson 2E documentation nevertheless documents a specific NX bit to set in TLB entries to get non-executable pages (i.e. to only load the TLB in the DTLB and not in the ITLB), but the documentation is ambiguous and never mentions what exception will fire if attempting to execute code from this page. All mention of this has disappeared in the 2F documentation, so I'm not even sure this feature is still available. But I'm not surprised marketing people still brag about it (-: Miod
Re: MacBook Air SSD not found
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 04:13:52PM -0500, Brynet wrote: Pete Vickers wrote: Hi, Thanks for the patch - good idea. However Since the firmware on the MacBook Air in question does not recognise non-OSX (HFS+) USB memory sticks, I could only test this patch by applying it on another machine's tree, then 'make release' and burning the created cd47.iso to a CDROM. Upon booting from the CDROM on the 'Air, it just hangs at the SSD disk detection line in dmesg. Further if I 'boot -c' to try to enable verbose booting in UKC, then it just sits at the UKC prompt, due to the fact that neither the internal or a USB keyboard work at that point. any ideas ? /Pete Hi, I guess this falls into the category of unrelated problem, could be a PCI interrupt routing issue.. or general Mac insanity. Sorry, I suppose you should file a bug report (..none of the developers really read this list). How odd that I read this then. Not that I can help in this area. Not all developers read this list indeed. To make sure your problem is reaching the right developer, file a pr, or post to b...@. -Otto
Re: MacBook Air SSD not found
Otto Moerbeek wrote: How odd that I read this then. Not that I can help in this area. Not all developers read this list indeed. To make sure your problem is reaching the right developer, file a pr, or post to b...@. -Otto Whoops, Sorry. :-) -Bryan.
Re: ouch
On 5 February 2010 05:01, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org wrote: I just finished installing the most recent snapshot, rebooted and ran sysmerge. I powered down the system, booted it up again, logged into my account, and was greeted by: panic: kernel trap (ignored) The timing was absolutely perfect, and for half a moment I wondered, so I wish to thank the the hilarious nameless bastard with the foresight to add the above text to the default input file of fortune(6). -jcr Is this because OpenBSD users feel left out of the fun of kernel dumps? Feel the need to reminisce the good old days of lesser systems?
