Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-19 Thread ibsens
Dear Mr. Nick,

That must be the passage.

I'm surprised it is so tame.
I recall it being much more arrogant.
Perhaps what changed is that I became more arrogant.

With many thanks, please allow me the expression
of my distinguish sentiments.

Ibsen



Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-19 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 11:36:55AM +0900, lain. wrote:
> 90% of the developers make bad code, yes.
> Either because of their lack of experience, their choice of tools, or
> because of requirements set by managers who just follow the latest
> trends without having any knowledge of programming themselves.
> The remaining 10% are highly skilled developers providing the best user
> experience, the OpenBSD, Go, Zig, and Suckless teams are among those
> developers.
> Thierry (the guy who made TempleOS by himself) was one of them too, but

Terry Davis
http://templeos.org/

> he's no longer alive.
> And Dennis (known for Unix, C, and Plan9), but he too is dead.
> And some other hidden gems too, all of these people have one thing in 
> common: they all keep their codebases as simple and clean as possible.
> 
> On 2023年07月18日 17:26, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote:
> > Dear colleagues,
> > 
> > About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the
> > installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even
> > if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is
> > that incompetent people write their own software instead of copying and
> > then the users suffer. I found this particular passage to be very well
> > written. Does someone know where I might find this wonderful passage?
> > 
> > With great honor,
> > 
> > Ibsen
> > 
> 
> -- 
> lain.
> 
> Did you know that?
> 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and 
> it's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet?
> Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable 
> information without proper PGP encryption!
> 
> If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP 
> encrypted emails for security reasons.
> You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc
> 
> Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails.
> If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client, 
> because yours just sucks.
> 
> My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt.
> For instructions on how to encrypt your emails:
> https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-tutorial.html

-- 
Kind regards,
Hiltjo



Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread Nick Holland

On 7/18/23 13:26, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote:

Dear colleagues,

About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the
installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even
if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is
that incompetent people write their own software instead of copying and
then the users suffer. I found this particular passage to be very well
written. Does someone know where I might find this wonderful passage?

With great honor,

Ibsen



Dang, that sounds familiar.  I think I found it:
https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/www/faq/faq1.html?rev=1.147&content-type=text/html#ReallyFree

I definitely say something similar regularly, but it looks like the
original text here was from Theo, himself.  I've been similarly
inspired and found the example memorable. :)

Nick.



Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread lain.
90% of the developers make bad code, yes.
Either because of their lack of experience, their choice of tools, or
because of requirements set by managers who just follow the latest
trends without having any knowledge of programming themselves.
The remaining 10% are highly skilled developers providing the best user
experience, the OpenBSD, Go, Zig, and Suckless teams are among those
developers.
Thierry (the guy who made TempleOS by himself) was one of them too, but
he's no longer alive.
And Dennis (known for Unix, C, and Plan9), but he too is dead.
And some other hidden gems too, all of these people have one thing in 
common: they all keep their codebases as simple and clean as possible.

On 2023年07月18日 17:26, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the
> installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even
> if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is
> that incompetent people write their own software instead of copying and
> then the users suffer. I found this particular passage to be very well
> written. Does someone know where I might find this wonderful passage?
> 
> With great honor,
> 
> Ibsen
> 

-- 
lain.

Did you know that?
90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and it's 
super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet?
Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable 
information without proper PGP encryption!

If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP 
encrypted emails for security reasons.
You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc

Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails.
If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client, 
because yours just sucks.

My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt.
For instructions on how to encrypt your emails:
https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-tutorial.html


Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread Philipp Buehler

Am 18.07.2023 19:26 schrieb Ibsen S Ripsbusker:

Dear colleagues,

About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the
installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even
if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is
that incompetent people write their own software instead of copying and
then the users suffer. I found this particular passage to be very well
written. Does someone know where I might find this wonderful passage?


Maybe you recall lyrics from 4.2 release (or remotely 3.6) here?
http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#42

--
pb



Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread Ibsen S Ripsbusker
Dear colleagues,

About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the
installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even
if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is
that incompetent people write their own software instead of copying and
then the users suffer. I found this particular passage to be very well
written. Does someone know where I might find this wonderful passage?

With great honor,

Ibsen