Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Em 04-08-2015 17:48, Etienne escreveu: Couldn't agree more. And someone else writes it better than I do: http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201503/2015031201-the-sad-state-of-sysadmin-in-the-age-of-containers.html I truly don't know which is worse: Developers pretending to be sysadmins or sysadmins (if you can call them that) being lazy. I bet that a lot of the good old fashioned admins got replaced by a new devop who can deploy everything really fast cutting every corner possible. And people still want it to be ported to OpenBSD. Cheers, Giancarlo Razzolini
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Em 04-08-2015 18:28, openda...@hushmail.com escreveu: a) Discourse is not a conventional Rails app. It has been abstracted to the point of insanity and will require you to make a ton of modifications and disable a ton of stuff if you decide to go that route, Kind figured. To me, any system that need to abstract how it's even deployed, is not a good system. b) if you don't use their official Docker image, the user community will simply refuse to help you over at http://meta.discourse.org. What help? It's a docker container, ain't it? It will never give you problems. ;-) p.s.: I've recently installed gitlab from source and it's also an rails app. But they have a very good documentation on how to do it, and you can understand most of what is happening. Even though they are always advising you to use their Omnibus package.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Hi! On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Mike Larkin mlar...@azathoth.net wrote: From your first link: Docker on FreeBSD relies heavily on ZFS, jail and the 64bit Linux compatibility layer I think that says enough to answer your question. Sort of, but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8480433 does mention sysjail for OpenBSD. That post is quite old, so maybe things have changed since then? Thanks! O.D.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 09:30:37PM +, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi! On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Mike Larkin mlar...@azathoth.net wrote: From your first link: Docker on FreeBSD relies heavily on ZFS, jail and the 64bit Linux compatibility layer I think that says enough to answer your question. Sort of, but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8480433 does mention sysjail for OpenBSD. That post is quite old, so maybe things have changed since then? Thanks! O.D. the short answer is no, docker does not work on openbsd. if you are interested in making it work, please do so and send a diff.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Are there any efforts being made to port the FreeBSD Docker port to OpenBSD? Should there be any effort to port some trendy this year marketed commercially supported tool while the entire OpenBSD feature set totally obsoletes the tool on application design stage, or is there any good reason to be this effort? You know complexity and tool mixes enforce complexity and reliability problems to all levels including the personnel installing and maintaining the software stack, despite what marketing material says. Wish I didn't have to ask, but it's the only way I can install Discourse (https://github.com/discourse/discourse) without being shunned by its community (https://forums.docker.com/t/solutions-for-docker-on-freebsd/2082/). Maybe you don't have to ask after all ;-) Let me rephrase: A good idea is to follow the developer instructions and install on Linux and/or FreeBSD, or rather the operating systems and environments used by the application developers, otherwise you're depraving yourself of their help and support, or would you think of it as dependability. Optimistically, OpenBSD has always solved problems elegantly and efficiently, so look forward in the future for the sustainable way to solve the problems your question relates to. This future may be now, depending how good the application developers understand OpenBSD and what this gives us as correct solutions.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
On 08/04/2015 07:44 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Em 04-08-2015 12:59, openda...@hushmail.com escreveu: Are there any efforts being made to port the FreeBSD Docker port to OpenBSD? Not that I know of, but I'm not a dev and might be wrong. I do follow @tech, and didn't saw anything docker related, ever since I'm on the list. My personal opinion is that OpenBSD shouldn't even get near docker. But hey, it's my opinion. but it's the only way I can install Discourse From what I read on their site, they use off the shelf software that might have a package/port on OpenBSD. You could succeed in installing it outside a docker. Unless their software is stupid and try to verify if you're inside a docker and refuses to run if not. They just use RoR, and it definitely run on OpenBSD.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 03:59:38PM +, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi! Are there any efforts being made to port the FreeBSD Docker port to OpenBSD? https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker https://github.com/kvasdopil/docker Wish I didn't have to ask, but it's the only way I can install Discourse (https://github.com/discourse/discourse) without being shunned by its community (https://forums.docker.com/t/solutions-for-docker-on-freebsd/2082/). Thanks! O.D. From your first link: Docker on FreeBSD relies heavily on ZFS, jail and the 64bit Linux compatibility layer I think that says enough to answer your question.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Em 04-08-2015 12:59, openda...@hushmail.com escreveu: Are there any efforts being made to port the FreeBSD Docker port to OpenBSD? Not that I know of, but I'm not a dev and might be wrong. I do follow @tech, and didn't saw anything docker related, ever since I'm on the list. My personal opinion is that OpenBSD shouldn't even get near docker. But hey, it's my opinion. but it's the only way I can install Discourse From what I read on their site, they use off the shelf software that might have a package/port on OpenBSD. You could succeed in installing it outside a docker. Unless their software is stupid and try to verify if you're inside a docker and refuses to run if not. Cheers, Giancarlo Razzolini
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Em 04-08-2015 13:50, Gregory Edigarov escreveu: They just use RoR, and it definitely run on OpenBSD. Do you know what these docker ready images sound to me? Laziness. Truth is, we have an avalanche of developers that are empowered by these so called devops tools, puppet, chef, docker ready images, etc. But they grow accustomed with this so called readiness and easiness that they never bother to know what's under the hood. Heck, they don't even bother to know if the under the hood is secure. These tools certainly have their use on the development phase of a project. And puppet and friends certainly make the job of admins easier. The difference, as always, lies on who is using. You see the OP grow so fond of this easiness that he comes to the point of asking on this list (without even searching first) if OpenBSD will import the FreeBSD docker port, so that he can simply take a image and install something, that can, with some work and thinking, be installed on the metal. This is wrong. And is also part of the security problem. Cheers, Giancarlo Razzolini
Docker on OpenBSD?
Hi! Are there any efforts being made to port the FreeBSD Docker port to OpenBSD? https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker https://github.com/kvasdopil/docker Wish I didn't have to ask, but it's the only way I can install Discourse (https://github.com/discourse/discourse) without being shunned by its community (https://forums.docker.com/t/solutions-for-docker-on-freebsd/2082/). Thanks! O.D.
Re: Docker on OpenBSD?
Hi! On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini grazzol...@gmail.com wrote: From what I read on their site, they use off the shelf software that might have a package/port on OpenBSD. You could succeed in installing it outside a docker. Unless their software is stupid and try to verify if you're inside a docker and refuses to run if not. Well, sort of. You can install it outside Docker but a) Discourse is not a conventional Rails app. It has been abstracted to the point of insanity and will require you to make a ton of modifications and disable a ton of stuff if you decide to go that route, b) if you don't use their official Docker image, the user community will simply refuse to help you over at http://meta.discourse.org. Thanks! O.D.
