Re: Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 02:28:35PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Unscrew the four screws on the side VGA connector side. Slide the logic board out. Unscrew the three black screws that hold the disk bracket. The screws are unmarked but they are near R164, C174 and U32. You can then slide the disk and bracket out of the connector. Replace the disk in the bracket and reverse the steps. It's a 5 minute job when somebody points out which screws are the right ones and you find the right tiny screwdriver. Back on the air! Thanks, Otto! /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
Re: Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:05:55AM +, John Long wrote: One of my little friends has a dead drive. Unfortunately it is shoehorned in there pretty good. Has anybody on the list replaced the disk drive on one of these and if so would you explain how you did it? Yes, I have done that several times to replace the slow standard disk with an SSD. Unscrew the four screws on the side VGA connector side. Slide the logic board out. Unscrew the three black screws that hold the disk bracket. The screws are unmarked but they are near R164, C174 and U32. You can then slide the disk and bracket out of the connector. Replace the disk in the bracket and reverse the steps. Is anybody using a regular USB stick as a primary disk drive for OpenBSD and if so how well do they work and how long do they last? Is this a reasonable solution for an appliance or dev box and are there better alternatives that will work over USB or the network? Specifically this box can boot and run from USB but I don't know if it can run diskless or how well it would run. I would not recommend that. USB sticks are slow and unrelaible. -Otto
Re: Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 09:55:49AM -0500, Libertas wrote: On 01/26/2015 05:05 AM, John Long wrote: Is anybody using a regular USB stick as a primary disk drive for OpenBSD and if so how well do they work and how long do they last? Is this a reasonable solution for an appliance or dev box and are there better alternatives that will work over USB or the network? Specifically this box can boot and run from USB but I don't know if it can run diskless or how well it would run. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemBoot Otto's one of the heads around here and thinks otherwise, though. I guess there isn't a strong consensus. If I understand correctly, USB 3.0 support isn't in the 5.6 release but is in the current snapshots. Using a USB 3.0 flash drive should make for a much faster bootable flash drive, assuming it works. There was just a discussion here relating to that, actually. AFAIK, there's no USB3 hardware in any of the Loongson machines. -Otto
Re: Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
On 01/26/2015 05:05 AM, John Long wrote: Is anybody using a regular USB stick as a primary disk drive for OpenBSD and if so how well do they work and how long do they last? Is this a reasonable solution for an appliance or dev box and are there better alternatives that will work over USB or the network? Specifically this box can boot and run from USB but I don't know if it can run diskless or how well it would run. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemBoot Otto's one of the heads around here and thinks otherwise, though. I guess there isn't a strong consensus. If I understand correctly, USB 3.0 support isn't in the 5.6 release but is in the current snapshots. Using a USB 3.0 flash drive should make for a much faster bootable flash drive, assuming it works. There was just a discussion here relating to that, actually.
Re: Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 09:55:49AM -0500, Libertas wrote: On 01/26/2015 05:05 AM, John Long wrote: Is anybody using a regular USB stick as a primary disk drive for OpenBSD and if so how well do they work and how long do they last? Is this a reasonable solution for an appliance or dev box and are there better alternatives that will work over USB or the network? Specifically this box can boot and run from USB but I don't know if it can run diskless or how well it would run. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemBoot Otto's one of the heads around here and thinks otherwise, though. I guess there isn't a strong consensus. If I understand correctly, USB 3.0 support isn't in the 5.6 release but is in the current snapshots. Using a USB 3.0 flash drive should make for a much faster bootable flash drive, assuming it works. There was just a discussion here relating to that, actually. The problem with the speed of the USB sticks is not related to USB 2.0, the flash memories used by the USB sticks are terribly slow. The USB hard disks work like a charm. -- Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado http://juanfra.info
Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
One of my little friends has a dead drive. Unfortunately it is shoehorned in there pretty good. Has anybody on the list replaced the disk drive on one of these and if so would you explain how you did it? Is anybody using a regular USB stick as a primary disk drive for OpenBSD and if so how well do they work and how long do they last? Is this a reasonable solution for an appliance or dev box and are there better alternatives that will work over USB or the network? Specifically this box can boot and run from USB but I don't know if it can run diskless or how well it would run. Thanks. /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
Re: Anybody replace the disk drive in a Lemote Fuloong?
On 01/26/15 09:55, Libertas wrote: On 01/26/2015 05:05 AM, John Long wrote: Is anybody using a regular USB stick as a primary disk drive for OpenBSD and if so how well do they work and how long do they last? Is this a reasonable solution for an appliance or dev box and are there better alternatives that will work over USB or the network? Specifically this box can boot and run from USB but I don't know if it can run diskless or how well it would run. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemBoot Otto's one of the heads around here and thinks otherwise, though. I guess there isn't a strong consensus. depends what you are doing with the system. I use a USB flash drive on two firewall systems at home, works great. As a quick-and-dirty way of looking at unknown hardware, also works great. On my primary workstation? No, don't think a USB stick would be my first choice. Or my second. Probably not even my third. All depends on the application. If you are mostly booting and little logging, a USB flash boot disk works fine. Disk intensive, not so good. I've softraided USB drives, not sure I'd recommend that level of complexity, though. Nick.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 03:57:41PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:45:55PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: It shows that your system is newer then package you want to install. So look arround mirrors where is actual file/packages. It takes some time to distribute packages to all mirrors and build of packages for all platforms take some time as well. Sounds reasonable but I have tried 4 different mirrors now including ftp.openbsd.org. I am starting to wonder if there is something else wrong and not sure what else to check. Using snapshots is fine as you are doing just binary upgrades of system and packages and it's really very easy. In your case you can try compile from ports, but set FETCH_PACKAGES=Yes in /etc/mk.conf to avoid compilation of packages which are available as binary. Don't forget on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PortsConfig The current bulk build is almost finished. New packages will be available in the next few days. -- Pierre-Emmanuel André pea at raveland.org GPG key: 0x7AE329DC
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:22:34PM +0200, Pierre-Emmanuel Andr? wrote: The current bulk build is almost finished. New packages will be available in the next few days. Thanks a lot. I fell back to the June 28th snapshot because of some ports issues. I believe they are probably my fault, but now I have a synced-up system and I'll go with that until I need to upgrade. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote: The 3A systems are a completely different design. In addition to the CPU being multicore and using a completely different crossbar, the northbridge is now an AMD chip. A lot of work is needed to run on it, which is not worth starting until these systems are readily available. Unfortunately it seems Lemote can not produce enough of them for the foreign market, and I am told the ATX motherboard flavour (which would be much more interesting for server systems, or simply to use better disks than 2.5 ones) is not intended to be sold outside China. Miod 3A is not available even in China. I think there are just some sample machines out there. I've been keeping an close eye on Lemote's online store and its BBS, but don't know how to get one yet. By the way, someone posted a line on 3A benchmark, in case anyone is interested: http://openbenchmarking.org/s/ICT%20Loongson-3A%20V0.5%20FPU%20V0.1 -Alan Cheng
Re: Lemote Fuloong
iirc one reason the EINVAL on mount can occur is with an unclean ext2/3 filesystem. Could that be the case here? Yes, but it should only have been the case on the 2nd install (2 of 3). After I copied the boot file from the installation directory to the ext2 partition I had created for booting from, I neglected to unmount the partition since I ASSumed OBSD would unmount all mounted filesystems during a halt. I forgot that iirc OpenBSD only unmounts mounted filesystems that are in fstab. I did remember to unmount it by the time the 3rd installation ran and perhaps that is why it didn't give me that message when I installed the same snapshot again. I don't know why it happened the first two times. Running on snapshot, I built a package for Mutt from ports and it took a very long time. I'd like to know how much of that is due to the slow console. Are you building with output redirection? At the end the package failed to install with the same library errors I listed before. However, make install seems to have worked. I haven't verified Mutt is working 100%, I'll do that later (now I am posting from another system). I'm building Emacs now and when it finishes I'll be able to verify Mutt works as it did on 5.1. Given there aren't too many Fuloongs around and we all have to build packages for the apps we want, is there any way to contribute packages we have built? -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 10:07:52PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: Thanks to the OpenBSD team and Miod Vallat for the Loongson port. I am trying to put together a MIPS development machine and I installed OpenBSD 5.1. I didn't see a change log for the Loongson snapshot referenced from the OpenBSD Loongson page so I don't know if there are any relevant changes for my intended use or whether the snapshots are supposed to be experimental. Which version should I use and should I be tracking current for this machine? Thanks. For sure better to use snapshots/current. Thanks, I'll reinstall then. Should I track current on this? I don't have any idea how many changes are being done on it. And I think it's valid for any similar experimental port. Is Loongson an experimental port? The OpenBSD page lists it under the officially support platforms...I realize it's a work in progress, but I didn't think it was experimental. Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. BTW this one http://lemote.kd85.com/ will work with Loongson port as well? Seems like it's slightly different CPU. Good question and I have no idea. Yes, it's a different CPU. The 2E and 2F are uniprocessors. The 3A is a quard. Maybe the port maintainer will chime in. Many patches are hitting the Linux kernel and binutils from Lemote and MIPS people so I believe there are significant differences. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X MIPS Loongson and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
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For sure better to use snapshots/current. Thanks, I'll reinstall then. Should I track current on this? DOH! Sorry, I see you answered this already.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:44:50AM +, Code Blue wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 10:07:52PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: Thanks to the OpenBSD team and Miod Vallat for the Loongson port. I am trying to put together a MIPS development machine and I installed OpenBSD 5.1. I didn't see a change log for the Loongson snapshot referenced from the OpenBSD Loongson page so I don't know if there are any relevant changes for my intended use or whether the snapshots are supposed to be experimental. Which version should I use and should I be tracking current for this machine? Thanks. For sure better to use snapshots/current. Thanks, I'll reinstall then. Should I track current on this? I don't have any idea how many changes are being done on it. And I think it's valid for any similar experimental port. Is Loongson an experimental port? The OpenBSD page lists it under the officially support platforms...I realize it's a work in progress, but I didn't think it was experimental. Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. Loongson is not experimental. There are less users using it compared to some other platforms, but the port is certainly stable enough to be used for real stuff. I'm running a Fuloong as my general purpose mai/file/dns/web server at home and i have had zero trouble with it. In fact I'm typing this mail on it ... BTW this one http://lemote.kd85.com/ will work with Loongson port as well? Seems like it's slightly different CPU. Good question and I have no idea. Yes, it's a different CPU. The 2E and 2F are uniprocessors. The 3A is a quard. Maybe the port maintainer will chime in. Many patches are hitting the Linux kernel and binutils from Lemote and MIPS people so I believe there are significant differences. ATM we do not run on these. One big practical problem is that so far these machines are not available for purchase. -Otto
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:17:27PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Loongson is not experimental. There are less users using it compared to some other platforms, but the port is certainly stable enough to be used for real stuff. I'm running a Fuloong as my general purpose mai/file/dns/web server at home and i have had zero trouble with it. In fact I'm typing this mail on it ... I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. For example: # pkg_add mutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl Can't install libiconv-1.14 because of libraries |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Can't install qdbm-1.8.78: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3 because of libraries Can't install gettext-0.18.1p1: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install lmutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl: can't resolve cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3,libiconv-1.14,qdbm-1.8.78,gettext-0.18.1p1 I don't know whether I should reinstall 5.1 and use it until 5.2 comes out or whether I should continue and try to track -current and see if the issues are resolved, but I am not looking forward to compiling much source given the lack of framebuffer acceleration! I used to track -stable on i386 but I have been away from OpenBSD for a while so I am a little rusty on all this. Are you running -current or 5.1 and since you are using it for a server and it is working fine for you, what would you recommend? Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. What is the value of PKG_PATH? Now that you have moved from 5.1-release to -current, you will also have to change the location where packages are downloaded in order to keep both OS packages synchronized. See FAQ 15.4.1.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:12:43PM +, Code Blue wrote: |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Your mirror is probably not so current. Try using another mirror.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 06:53:29AM -0700, James Hartley wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. What is the value of PKG_PATH? Now that you have moved from 5.1-release to -current, you will also have to change the location where packages are downloaded in order to keep both OS packages synchronized. See FAQ 15.4.1. Thanks, I am aware of it. I changed it to point to the snapshots directory of packages rather than 5.1 as shown in FAQ 15.2.2. The errors were as shown in the previous post. I am not using ports at this time, only the pregenerated packages. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the newsgroup against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:59:54AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:12:43PM +, Code Blue wrote: |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Your mirror is probably not so current. Try using another mirror. I tried 2 so far but I will try another one. Do you happen to know one that is surely current? Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 02:15:06PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:59:54AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:12:43PM +, Code Blue wrote: |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Your mirror is probably not so current. Try using another mirror. I tried 2 so far but I will try another one. Do you happen to know one that is surely current? Thanks. I tried downloading from ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/`machine -a`/ and I am still getting the same errors. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:17:27PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Loongson is not experimental. There are less users using it compared to some other platforms, but the port is certainly stable enough to be used for real stuff. I'm running a Fuloong as my general purpose mai/file/dns/web server at home and i have had zero trouble with it. In fact I'm typing this mail on it ... I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. For example: # pkg_add mutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl Can't install libiconv-1.14 because of libraries |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Can't install qdbm-1.8.78: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3 because of libraries Can't install gettext-0.18.1p1: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install lmutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl: can't resolve cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3,libiconv-1.14,qdbm-1.8.78,gettext-0.18.1p1 It shows that your system is newer then package you want to install. So look arround mirrors where is actual file/packages. It takes some time to distribute packages to all mirrors and build of packages for all platforms take some time as well. I don't know whether I should reinstall 5.1 and use it until 5.2 comes out or whether I should continue and try to track -current and see if the issues are resolved, but I am not looking forward to compiling much source given the lack of framebuffer acceleration! I used to track -stable on i386 but I have been away from OpenBSD for a while so I am a little rusty on all this. Are you running -current or 5.1 and since you are using it for a server and it is working fine for you, what would you recommend? Using snapshots is fine as you are doing just binary upgrades of system and packages and it's really very easy. In your case you can try compile from ports, but set FETCH_PACKAGES=Yes in /etc/mk.conf to avoid compilation of packages which are available as binary. Don't forget on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PortsConfig Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 02:15:06PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:59:54AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:12:43PM +, Code Blue wrote: |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Your mirror is probably not so current. Try using another mirror. I tried 2 so far but I will try another one. Do you happen to know one that is surely current? Thanks. I tried downloading from ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/`machine -a`/ and I am still getting the same errors. It may mean as now it's Beta phase that packages are not yet build (can be confirmed only by devs) or are in process of build for your platform so the question is if you can wait. If not you can build them on your system. Result will be package anyway. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:45:55PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:17:27PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Loongson is not experimental. There are less users using it compared to some other platforms, but the port is certainly stable enough to be used for real stuff. I'm running a Fuloong as my general purpose mai/file/dns/web server at home and i have had zero trouble with it. In fact I'm typing this mail on it ... I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. For example: # pkg_add mutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl Can't install libiconv-1.14 because of libraries |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Can't install qdbm-1.8.78: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3 because of libraries Can't install gettext-0.18.1p1: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install lmutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl: can't resolve cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3,libiconv-1.14,qdbm-1.8.78,gettext-0.18.1p1 It shows that your system is newer then package you want to install. So look arround mirrors where is actual file/packages. It takes some time to distribute packages to all mirrors and build of packages for all platforms take some time as well. I don't know whether I should reinstall 5.1 and use it until 5.2 comes out or whether I should continue and try to track -current and see if the issues are resolved, but I am not looking forward to compiling much source given the lack of framebuffer acceleration! I used to track -stable on i386 but I have been away from OpenBSD for a while so I am a little rusty on all this. Are you running -current or 5.1 and since you are using it for a server and it is working fine for you, what would you recommend? Using snapshots is fine as you are doing just binary upgrades of system and packages and it's really very easy. In your case you can try compile from ports, but set FETCH_PACKAGES=Yes in /etc/mk.conf to avoid compilation of packages which are available as binary. Don't forget on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PortsConfig This is mostly caused by the relatively slow hardware. Packages take time to build. In almost all cases, the old packges you have installed continue to work fine. Patience is a virtue ;-) -Otto
Re: Lemote Fuloong
I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. For example: # pkg_add mutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl Can't install libiconv-1.14 because of libraries |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Can't install qdbm-1.8.78: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3 because of libraries Can't install gettext-0.18.1p1: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install lmutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl: can't resolve cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3,libiconv-1.14,qdbm-1.8.78,gettext-0.18.1p1 I don't know whether I should reinstall 5.1 and use it until 5.2 comes out or whether I should continue and try to track -current and see if the issues are resolved, but I am not looking forward to compiling much source given the lack of framebuffer acceleration! I used to track -stable on i386 but I have been away from OpenBSD for a while so I am a little rusty on all this. Are you running -current or 5.1 and since you are using it for a server and it is working fine for you, what would you recommend? This is mostly caused by the relatively slow hardware. Packages take time to build. In almost all cases, the old packges you have installed continue to work fine. Patience is a virtue ;-) Yes but since I installed from the snapshot I have no old packages! This was a clean install on new hardware and now I cannot install any packages at least not any I have tried. Are you running -current or 5.1? Do you happen to know if -current has any advantages over 5.1 for a development machine? Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 04:40:50PM +, Code Blue wrote: I was running fine on 5.1 but based on the comment from the previous poster I reinstalled the snapshot (5.2). I was then unable to install any packages from snapshots because of library errors. For example: # pkg_add mutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl Can't install libiconv-1.14 because of libraries |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Can't install qdbm-1.8.78: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3 because of libraries Can't install gettext-0.18.1p1: can't resolve libiconv-1.14 Can't install lmutt-1.5.21p0v0-sasl: can't resolve cyrus-sasl-2.1.25p3,libiconv-1.14,qdbm-1.8.78,gettext-0.18.1p1 I don't know whether I should reinstall 5.1 and use it until 5.2 comes out or whether I should continue and try to track -current and see if the issues are resolved, but I am not looking forward to compiling much source given the lack of framebuffer acceleration! I used to track -stable on i386 but I have been away from OpenBSD for a while so I am a little rusty on all this. Are you running -current or 5.1 and since you are using it for a server and it is working fine for you, what would you recommend? This is mostly caused by the relatively slow hardware. Packages take time to build. In almost all cases, the old packges you have installed continue to work fine. Patience is a virtue ;-) Yes but since I installed from the snapshot I have no old packages! This was a clean install on new hardware and now I cannot install any packages at least not any I have tried. Are you running -current or 5.1? Do you happen to know if -current has any advantages over 5.1 for a development machine? Thanks. Yes, you get rthreads for example. -Otto
Re: Lemote Fuloong
Are you running -current or 5.1? Do you happen to know if -current has any advantages over 5.1 for a development machine? Thanks. Yes, you get rthreads for example. Thanks.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 06:05:48PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 02:15:06PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 10:59:54AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:12:43PM +, Code Blue wrote: |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.65.0 (system): bad major Your mirror is probably not so current. Try using another mirror. I tried 2 so far but I will try another one. Do you happen to know one that is surely current? Thanks. I tried downloading from ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/`machine -a`/ and I am still getting the same errors. It may mean as now it's Beta phase that packages are not yet build (can be confirmed only by devs) or are in process of build for your platform so the question is if you can wait. If not you can build them on your system. Result will be package anyway. Ok I don't mind trying to build from ports if there are ports for the few apps I want at this point. If that doesn't work I will go back to 5.1. Thanks for the help, guys.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:45:55PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: It shows that your system is newer then package you want to install. So look arround mirrors where is actual file/packages. It takes some time to distribute packages to all mirrors and build of packages for all platforms take some time as well. Sounds reasonable but I have tried 4 different mirrors now including ftp.openbsd.org. I am starting to wonder if there is something else wrong and not sure what else to check. Using snapshots is fine as you are doing just binary upgrades of system and packages and it's really very easy. In your case you can try compile from ports, but set FETCH_PACKAGES=Yes in /etc/mk.conf to avoid compilation of packages which are available as binary. Don't forget on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PortsConfig Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
Is Loongson an experimental port? The OpenBSD page lists it under the officially support platforms...I realize it's a work in progress, but I didn't think it was experimental. It isn't. Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. Care to share details about this? Good question and I have no idea. Yes, it's a different CPU. The 2E and 2F are uniprocessors. The 3A is a quard. Maybe the port maintainer will chime in. That would be me. Many patches are hitting the Linux kernel and binutils from Lemote and MIPS people so I believe there are significant differences. The 3A systems are a completely different design. In addition to the CPU being multicore and using a completely different crossbar, the northbridge is now an AMD chip. A lot of work is needed to run on it, which is not worth starting until these systems are readily available. Unfortunately it seems Lemote can not produce enough of them for the foreign market, and I am told the ATX motherboard flavour (which would be much more interesting for server systems, or simply to use better disks than 2.5 ones) is not intended to be sold outside China. Miod
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:45:55PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: It shows that your system is newer then package you want to install. So look arround mirrors where is actual file/packages. It takes some time to distribute packages to all mirrors and build of packages for all platforms take some time as well. Sounds reasonable but I have tried 4 different mirrors now including ftp.openbsd.org. I am starting to wonder if there is something else wrong and not sure what else to check. As you already said you were off the OpenBSD for some time so you just lost touch with it. Nothing is wrong. It's part of normal development process here. Using snapshots is fine as you are doing just binary upgrades of system and packages and it's really very easy. In your case you can try compile from ports, but set FETCH_PACKAGES=Yes in /etc/mk.conf to avoid compilation of packages which are available as binary. Don't forget on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PortsConfig Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:26:54PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. Care to share details about this? In my first couple of installs on this new machine using 5.1 release and the current snapshot I got the following messages at the end of the installation: Making all device nodes...done mkdir: /mnt2/boot: Invalid argument cp: /mnt2/boot/bsd: Invalid argument Failed to install bootblocks. You will not be able to boot OpenBSD from wd0 I fixed this by copying boot to the boot partition and PMON has no trouble booting it. The second install of the snapshot ended normally. Good question and I have no idea. Yes, it's a different CPU. The 2E and 2F are uniprocessors. The 3A is a quard. Maybe the port maintainer will chime in. That would be me. Yes I know. I thanked you in my first post. Thanks for porting this. The 3A systems are a completely different design. In addition to the CPU being multicore and using a completely different crossbar, the northbridge is now an AMD chip. A lot of work is needed to run on it, which is not worth starting until these systems are readily available. Unfortunately it seems Lemote can not produce enough of them for the foreign market, and I am told the ATX motherboard flavour (which would be much more interesting for server systems, or simply to use better disks than 2.5 ones) is not intended to be sold outside China. Thanks for the update.
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:50:02PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:26:54PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. Care to share details about this? In my first couple of installs on this new machine using 5.1 release and the current snapshot I got the following messages at the end of the installation: Making all device nodes...done mkdir: /mnt2/boot: Invalid argument cp: /mnt2/boot/bsd: Invalid argument Failed to install bootblocks. You will not be able to boot OpenBSD from wd0 Were this whole disk installs? Please share some more details. I fixed this by copying boot to the boot partition and PMON has no trouble booting it. The second install of the snapshot ended normally. Second install of the same snap? -Otto
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:59:50PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:50:02PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:26:54PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. Care to share details about this? In my first couple of installs on this new machine using 5.1 release and the current snapshot I got the following messages at the end of the installation: Making all device nodes...done mkdir: /mnt2/boot: Invalid argument cp: /mnt2/boot/bsd: Invalid argument Failed to install bootblocks. You will not be able to boot OpenBSD from wd0 Were this whole disk installs? Please share some more details. No, as you probably know the disk is now 160G on the Fuloong. I couldn't imagine needing so much space for my intended use of OpenBSD so I decided to dual boot OpenBSD and some flavor of Linux. While I still had the original preinstalled Linux available I partitioned the drive for my OpenBSD and future Linux install and then did the OpenBSD installation in the OpenBSD partition. Custom layout. I fixed this by copying boot to the boot partition and PMON has no trouble booting it. The second install of the snapshot ended normally. Second install of the same snap? Yes, and I wondered if somehow the installer detected I had boot saved in an ext2 partition (which was not true of the first two installs but was by the third install, which was the second snapshot install), but I really can't imagine how it would know. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Please follow up to the mailing list against HTML e-mail X and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:25:20PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 08:59:50PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:50:02PM +, Code Blue wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:26:54PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Aside from the bootblocks not installing from either 5.1 release or the 5.2. snapshot, everything seems to be working. Care to share details about this? In my first couple of installs on this new machine using 5.1 release and the current snapshot I got the following messages at the end of the installation: Making all device nodes...done mkdir: /mnt2/boot: Invalid argument cp: /mnt2/boot/bsd: Invalid argument Failed to install bootblocks. You will not be able to boot OpenBSD from wd0 Were this whole disk installs? Please share some more details. No, as you probably know the disk is now 160G on the Fuloong. I couldn't imagine needing so much space for my intended use of OpenBSD so I decided to dual boot OpenBSD and some flavor of Linux. While I still had the original preinstalled Linux available I partitioned the drive for my OpenBSD and future Linux install and then did the OpenBSD installation in the OpenBSD partition. Custom layout. I fixed this by copying boot to the boot partition and PMON has no trouble booting it. The second install of the snapshot ended normally. Second install of the same snap? Yes, and I wondered if somehow the installer detected I had boot saved in an ext2 partition (which was not true of the first two installs but was by the third install, which was the second snapshot install), but I really can't imagine how it would know. iirc one reason the EINVAL on mount can occur is with an unclean ext2/3 filesystem. Could that be the case here? -Otto
Lemote Fuloong
Thanks to the OpenBSD team and Miod Vallat for the Loongson port. I am trying to put together a MIPS development machine and I installed OpenBSD 5.1. I didn't see a change log for the Loongson snapshot referenced from the OpenBSD Loongson page so I don't know if there are any relevant changes for my intended use or whether the snapshots are supposed to be experimental. Which version should I use and should I be tracking current for this machine? Thanks. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Lemote Fuloong
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Code Blue codeb...@inbox.lv wrote: Thanks to the OpenBSD team and Miod Vallat for the Loongson port. I am trying to put together a MIPS development machine and I installed OpenBSD 5.1. I didn't see a change log for the Loongson snapshot referenced from the OpenBSD Loongson page so I don't know if there are any relevant changes for my intended use or whether the snapshots are supposed to be experimental. Which version should I use and should I be tracking current for this machine? Thanks. For sure better to use snapshots/current. And I think it's valid for any similar experimental port. BTW this one http://lemote.kd85.com/ will work with Loongson port as well? Seems like it's slightly different CPU. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \ Mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Gregory Edigarov wrote [2011-12-19 11:30+0100]: Taiga and Niva is two different models, just for the record... You cannot hide Austria only because the boys (B;BurschenB+) are not qualified for Ukraine/Poland 2012! What if England had not been able to qualify? Would you pretend not to know --- *England*? --steffen
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:04:20 +0100 Steffen Daode Nurpmeso sdao...@googlemail.com wrote: Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well! I dunno, but maybe Fritz simply misunderstood A Clockwork Orange - completely, that is? The same actor also played in Caligula. That one is much much better for your handwork, Fritz! And couldn't some cute Austrian restart selling OpenBSD in Austria, now that Fritz no longer uses an austrian remailer?? I feel so uncomfortable - as if Lada would no longer produce Nivas! (Taiga in Austria, right?) Taiga and Niva is two different models, just for the record... -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:00:39 +0100 Fritz Wuehler wrote: Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob? It's a bit hard to do those two things at the same time and she couldn't fit you in her mouth anyway, you fuckin dick.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Wow, I drew Fritz's attention from his video games. I am soo upset. If I knew how to contact him I'd send him an Etch-a sketch for Christmas. g.day diana Once upon a time , Fritz Wuehler childishly spoke: gibberish
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Kevin Fagdick whined: Fritz Wuehler wrote: Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob? It's a bit hard to do those two things at the same time and she couldn't fit you in her mouth anyway, you fuckin dick. You got that one right ya limp dicked drag queen LOL. Haha I see I made you jealous by banging your girlfriend. Good on ya, ya great dumb dragqueen. I thought you only liked young boys glad you proved me wrong.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Lemoteo manufacturer of FuLoong and Yeloong, does have an store on www.taobao.com (http://loogson.taobao.com/), it's the official place to buy FuLoong/YeeLoong here in China. And they seem to sell Loongson 3A-based systems, unlike the dutch reseller. But my nonexistent knowledge of the chinese language does not help. I would like to get a 3A-based system in order to extend the OpenBSD/loongson port to these systems. (I also would like to get a 2G system, but I am quite confident the existing codebase will run unmodified on a 2G system, so that's not a priority). If anyone, fluent in chinese, could tell me if I can indeed order a 3A system from this site and have it shipped to western Europe, and wouldn't mind assisting me to place an order, this would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Miod (OpenBSD/loongson portmaster, in case you didn't notice)
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well! I dunno, but maybe Fritz simply misunderstood A Clockwork Orange - completely, that is? The same actor also played in Caligula. That one is much much better for your handwork, Fritz! And couldn't some cute Austrian restart selling OpenBSD in Austria, now that Fritz no longer uses an austrian remailer?? I feel so uncomfortable - as if Lada would no longer produce Nivas! (Taiga in Austria, right?) Nice weekend beside all that. --steffen
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On 12/17/2011 05:14 AM, Miod Vallat wrote: Lemoteo manufacturer of FuLoong and Yeloong, does have an store on www.taobao.com (http://loogson.taobao.com/), it's the official place to buy FuLoong/YeeLoong here in China. And they seem to sell Loongson 3A-based systems, unlike the dutch reseller. But my nonexistent knowledge of the chinese language does not help. I would like to get a 3A-based system in order to extend the OpenBSD/loongson port to these systems. (I also would like to get a 2G system, but I am quite confident the existing codebase will run unmodified on a 2G system, so that's not a priority). If anyone, fluent in chinese, could tell me if I can indeed order a 3A system from this site and have it shipped to western Europe, and wouldn't mind assisting me to place an order, this would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Miod (OpenBSD/loongson portmaster, in case you didn't notice) They indicate that there are systems available, but you never know until you really try :). Anyway you can not get it shipped to Western Europe via the shop, they only allow China internal shipping. There are however some services available on separate sites that allow you to order in China and get it shipped anywhere in the world. A quick search will get you some links (typical: you read about it, but since you don't need it you do not bookmark it). I would offer to be a courier as I'm flying home for Xmas, but I'm flying tomorrow morning and it is unfortunately to short to order and still get it here on time. Regards /Rob
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote: If anyone, fluent in chinese, could tell me if I can indeed order a 3A system from this site and have it shipped to western Europe, and wouldn't mind assisting me to place an order, this would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Miod (OpenBSD/loongson portmaster, in case you didn't notice) Currently 3A is not out yet (coming soon, according to Lemote). I'll be glad to help on the ordering shipping once 3A is available, though my guess is it'll also be available on http://www.tekmote.nl/ by that time.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
I say again: The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
The fulong is selling for 1800 RMB, which is the same price as tekmote.nl is charging. Thanks for the data point, Rob. I'll wait until prices come down.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
I just got a quote from alibaba.com to import an 8089-B from Lemote for $190 + $48 (I think that's 182E (where's that darn Euro key?)) Thanks but that is still too damn high. I'll wait until the Chinese decide to dump these on the market in some trade war and buy ten when they hit 50 bucks a piece. For what it is the price is unrealistic. Not that I like Intel so much but I can get a better than half decent netbook for $240.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Fritz Wuehler wrote: diana Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob? You're not good for anything else so let's see how you are at that. Am I missing something here? fucking(blowjob(*p)) ?
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011, Richard Thornton wrote: Fritz Wuehler wrote: Am I missing something here? fucking(blowjob(*p)) ? not really, fritz's past constributions haven't been particularly worthwhile either.
Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high. I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote: The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high. I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks. Same problem here in the US. Some retailers are selling them for upwards of $500 (after shipping) for the 'cheap' model. I just got a quote from alibaba.com to import an 8089-B from Lemote for $190 + $48 (I think that's 182E (where's that darn Euro key?)) -Bryan
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Try www.tekmote.nl Richard On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote: The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high. I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks.
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
On 12/14/2011 03:44 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote: The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high. I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks. Even here in China it is difficult to find. Just did a search on www.taobao.com (chinese eBay) and only 2 vendors showed up: http://s.taobao.com/search?q=2f6004rt=1323835584378 The fulong is selling for 1800 RMB, which is the same price as tekmote.nl is charging. /Rob
Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?
Lemoteo manufacturer of FuLoong and Yeloong, does have an store on www.taobao.com (http://loogson.taobao.com/), it's the official place to buy FuLoong/YeeLoong here in China. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Rob Schmersel r...@schmersel.net wrote: On 12/14/2011 03:44 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote: The prices at the official European shop in the Netherlands are sky high. I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks. Even here in China it is difficult to find. Just did a search on www.taobao.com (chinese eBay) and only 2 vendors showed up: http://s.taobao.com/search?q=**2f6004rt=1323835584378http://s.taobao.com/se arch?q=2f6004rt=1323835584378 The fulong is selling for 1800 RMB, which is the same price as tekmote.nlis charging. /Rob
any progress with X screen resolution on Lemote Fuloong ? ( 2F 6003 )
/mc keep-IT-simple
Re: any progress with screen resolution on Lemote Fuloong ?
i've just got my hands on Lemote Fuloong mini ( 2F ) and installed OpenBSD current. as i would like to use the box on my desktop, i am interested in better screen resolution with X ... There is no way to use a different resolution and color depth on Fuloong 2F systems under OpenBSD at the moment. Miod
any progress with screen resolution on Lemote Fuloong ?
i've just got my hands on Lemote Fuloong mini ( 2F ) and installed OpenBSD current. as i would like to use the box on my desktop, i am interested in better screen resolution with X ... /mc keep-IT-simple
