Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:48:56PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Artur Grabowski wrote: # uptime 6:45PM up 9136 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.26, 0.12, 0.09 I win. http://www.blahonga.org/~art/diffs/epenis-enlargement.20060210 What's that patch do, adjust the insecurelevel? It appears to add a sysctl that adjusts uptime. Joachim
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
http://www.blahonga.org/~art/diffs/ This will explain it more thoroughly. Also I think Artur Grabowski wrote a larger rant/article about this. But you'll have to find it yourself, (if i remember correctly, been more than a year since i read it). On 1/6/07, Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:48:56PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Artur Grabowski wrote: # uptime 6:45PM up 9136 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.26, 0.12, 0.09 I win. http://www.blahonga.org/~art/diffs/epenis-enlargement.20060210 What's that patch do, adjust the insecurelevel? It appears to add a sysctl that adjusts uptime. Joachim
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Artur Grabowski wrote: # uptime 6:45PM up 9136 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.26, 0.12, 0.09 I win. http://www.blahonga.org/~art/diffs/epenis-enlargement.20060210 What's that patch do, adjust the insecurelevel?
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all.
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Umnada, Did you get his point? On 1/4/07, Umnada Tyrolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all.
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Umnada Tyrolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all. # uptime 6:45PM up 9136 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.26, 0.12, 0.09 I win. http://www.blahonga.org/~art/diffs/epenis-enlargement.20060210 //art
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Hard to say. His message had a few different themes in it. He spoke about his dedication to the binary machine arts, but then confessed to using an expensive machine as a door stop? And, he praises the use he's gotten from OBSD and the list, but then jinxes it by questioning its direction and bringing up the issue of its lifecycle. I just wanted to bring up the issue of idle time versus cpu time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Der Engel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:31 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad Umnada, Did you get his point? On 1/4/07, Umnada Tyrolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all.
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
Uh, mask back on (8D) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Artur Grabowski Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:12 AM To: Umnada Tyrolla Cc: 'Karl R. Balsmeier'; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad Umnada Tyrolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all. # uptime 6:45PM up 9136 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.26, 0.12, 0.09 I win. http://www.blahonga.org/~art/diffs/epenis-enlargement.20060210 //art
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
'Hard to say'? That response means 'No, I didn't miss his point, I just want to be a hard-ass and then not really address it.' He praised the OpenBSD project and those responsible for it... because it's worth praising. Can't someone say something nice here without it being picked apart? I will end on a nice note (call it Leading by Example)... I agree completely with Karl's comments... OpenBSD rocks. Ducking, Dan Farrell Applied Innovations [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:37 AM To: 'Der Engel'; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad Hard to say. His message had a few different themes in it. He spoke about his dedication to the binary machine arts, but then confessed to using an expensive machine as a door stop? And, he praises the use he's gotten from OBSD and the list, but then jinxes it by questioning its direction and bringing up the issue of its lifecycle. I just wanted to bring up the issue of idle time versus cpu time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Der Engel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:31 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad Umnada, Did you get his point? On 1/4/07, Umnada Tyrolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all.
Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad
-Original Message- From: Dan Farrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:34 PM To: Gabe; Der Engel; misc@openbsd.org Subject: RE: OBSD: OS Of The Rad 'Hard to say'? That response means 'No, I didn't miss his point, I just want to be a hard-ass and then not really address it.' I'm not avoiding the issue of ridiculous hyperbole or opensource project skepticism. He praised the OpenBSD project and those responsible for it... because it's worth praising. Riight. About both parts. Can't someone say something nice here without it being picked apart? The converse: Can something be picked apart even though it is not nice? The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. I will end on a nice note (call it Leading by Example)... I agree completely with Karl's comments... OpenBSD rocks. Werd. Ducking, Word. Dan Farrell Applied Innovations [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:37 AM To: 'Der Engel'; misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad Hard to say. His message had a few different themes in it. He spoke about his dedication to the binary machine arts, but then confessed to using an expensive machine as a door stop? And, he praises the use he's gotten from OBSD and the list, but then jinxes it by questioning its direction and bringing up the issue of its lifecycle. I just wanted to bring up the issue of idle time versus cpu time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Der Engel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:31 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OBSD: OS Of The Rad Umnada, Did you get his point? On 1/4/07, Umnada Tyrolla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. First of all, not everyone likes to share how long, but thanks. Secondly, I think it's not the duration of up-time but rather cpu usage time which says what kind of machine you have. You know what I mean? CPU usage (on a user machine, not some bragbox) says what kind of software and hardware stresses have been going. I've got over 5,961,600 seconds of cpu usage on this machine. And it's not all pf, spamassassin and mplayer. Not all.
OBSD: OS Of The Rad
I started with OBSD 2.5, reading a book on making an invisible firewall. I remember because my associate flew up from Orange County CA to SF to show me and my friend how to install openbsd on the quick (basically get through fdisk and cylinder settings). Didn't even order pizza, we were serious. The main thing I remember is that it worked. It actually worked. We did what it recommended and it worked. A few weeks later I got a call from a friend at a Biotech who heard about our 'experimenting' and asked me to break into, or attempt to break into, a firewall they had paid $8,000.00 USD for. I got in with a laptop running 33.6 modem in 600 seconds, mapped the network, cat the info to an html document and piped it to mail. They were shocked. They mentioned they had FDA-regulated patient data that needed to be protected at all costs, or the heart research they were doing would lose funding if it ever got compromised. Could I/we come down and help them out. In talking with the folks on the misc list, I got the firewall rules down right. Took a while, but we did it. I deployed many updated 'invisible firewalls' over the years afterward, and started to earn a living doing what I liked, all the while porting the knowledge gleaned here to aid serious, well-intentioned folks over the years. -when IPF changed to PF, I remember asking the list has anyone done an invisible firewall in 3.0 snapshot yet? can we check this out before the release? And none other than the maintainer said hey, I haven't played with that yet, will check it out and report back. Sure enough my email wound up on the maintainer's site, with his explicit findings, showing how it could be done, exactly. Since then other major victories, openssh, openssl, openbgpd, w^x, chroot-dns, -you name it, it saved me, and my peers, and employers, clients, and friends, -from getting hacked, from having to waste time, from failing somehow. The OS is one thing, but the people who make it are the real victory -I can't think of a more solid, consistent group of people than who i've run into here. Not only did I learn Unix here, but I learned how to communicate in technical terms that allowed people to understand what I was asking about. I came here to compute, to help inanimate machines do so, well. -this list, more than any other resource (including my old favorite google.com/bsd) got me where I was going. The OS -how long will it last? I hope forever. But nothing lasts forever. I do have an old host that's been up for 1,248 days without reboot, i'm sure there are those on this list with longer. How many remote holes in default? What are you trying to do again? Is it free for a reason? Can I get crypto technology abroad? Can it exist for free when only few buy the rad CD's (you just gotta get these, they are just too too cool), artwork, and stickers? Are we always reasonable in our daily dialogue with the people who make/maintain this? Sometimes I wonder how they all put up with the negatives -all I know is that I owe you alot, and i'm going to visit your site right now and pump some cash into any donation link I can find, because in the end, -you folks did me far better than vendors I gave 300K to get a server that was a door stop inside of 3 years. Thanks for doing this thing when no one else would, or could. -krb
