Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Is there *ANY* good virtualization software out there? The rest of your message gave several requirements but don't actually say *what problem you're trying to solve*, so any answers you get to your question are just reflections of what the responder guesses you to be aiming for. home use - basically, I want to be able to run various VMs - learning and experimentation. Longer term, a friend and I are working on a business venture, a java based app, and I need to make sure it runs well in windows and linux. ZFS is just because I want to build a box with a few big drives. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On 3/8/2010 12:11 AM, bofh wrote: Is there *ANY* good virtualization software out there? I don't care what OS it needs to host it (preferably not windows :)) - my needs are simple (home use): I haven't really tried out Xen or qemu, but it seems ESXi should at least be adequate for the job, despite my earlier enterprisey comments. Personally, I think I'd put Solaris on a second box and mount it via NFS, probably using a dedicated NIC, and use that as a cheap SAN. OpenBSD works well under ESX, I'd expect it to work well under ESXi too. Using a processor with hardware-assisted virtualization seems to make a big difference in performance, although there's probably a bug somewhere that will let you jump from a VM guest to the host or another guest. That's probably the same with any (x86) virtualization product, though. So, try 'em all, let us know how it works out.
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On 3/8/2010 12:40 AM, Steve Shockley wrote: OpenBSD works well under ESX, I'd expect it to work well under ESXi too. (snip) I can verify that it works great. Upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 required a manual change to the network driver, though - it quit matching the pseudo-hardware that VMware presented. -- Ed Ahlsen-Girard, Contractor (EITC) AFSOC/A6OK email: edward.ahlsen-girard@hurlburt.af.mil 850-884-2414 DSN: 579-2414 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
Hi Sorry for the non-threaded reply - I am following the digests... On 3/8/2010 12:11 AM, bofh wrote: Is there *ANY* good virtualization software out there? I don't care what OS it needs to host it (preferably not windows :)) - my needs are simple (home use): I haven't really tried out Xen or qemu, but it seems ESXi should at least be adequate for the job, despite my earlier enterprisey comments. Personally, I think I'd put Solaris on a second box and mount it via NFS, probably using a dedicated NIC, and use that as a cheap SAN. OpenBSD works well under ESX, I'd expect it to work well under ESXi too. OpenBSD4.4 works great under vmware server 2.0.2, but OpenBSD4.6 not really. As an example, the kernel compile time went from roughly 15 mins to more than 2 hours. Certain task just seems 'slow' or kind of. The sysbench thread benchmark takes like 10 times wthat it should... Couldn't find out any probable cause. Seems vmware server having a problem or bug or not being optimised for it. Tried different configs and setting (vmware and opensbd, 32 / 64 bits, ...), but with no real positive result. So I would say forget vmware server. As this seems not (based on) the same vitualisation sw as esx(i), this might not count. The Fusion (Mac vmware) is working great again, though. Prost! cmb
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On 3/6/2010 10:22 AM, Ted Roby wrote: Oh, and it also blinks a pretty light when in use. I could be a typical Mac user, and consider this to be the best ever!. AND, as a Mac user, you'd have the most secure OS in the world!
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Steve Shockley steve.shock...@shockley.netwrote: On 3/6/2010 10:22 AM, Ted Roby wrote: Oh, and it also blinks a pretty light when in use. I could be a typical Mac user, and consider this to be the best ever!. AND, as a Mac user, you'd have the most secure OS in the world! Irony: A vmware vendor sending me free schwag after fubar of their own software release. Alchemy: Following Scott's advice On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@erratic.ca wrote: Hey, it's better than a(nother) kick in the pants. BTW: a bootable OpenBSD with X, scrotwm, firefox, mplayer, and a bunch of other handy stuff all fits in well under a gig on a USB stick. Make sure to mention that in your follow-up Thank-You note for the stick. :)
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Jason Beaudoin jasonbeaud...@gmail.comwrote: What a crock of shite. Good to know as I am just getting into a few small-scale virtualizing projects.. not so sure I am at *all* surprised. Is there *ANY* good virtualization software out there? I don't care what OS it needs to host it (preferably not windows :)) - my needs are simple (home use): 1) free 2) has some level of documentation 3) able to support solaris x86 4) able to pass through raw (disk) devices to a guest (can you spell zfs :)) 5) able to support other x86 OSes (openbsd, linux, windows) I'm trying xen on debian right now, and it is very difficult to find good documentation on what's going on. I can't even figure out how to get it to install from an ISO image! Possibly, my google-fu is weak, but, *GAH* I'm *very* tempted to go with ESXi - for the price of free, and the ability to actually use the damn thing. Never tried qemu before, there seems to be a number of separate pieces that needs to be pieced together the last time I looked at it. Just what do you guys use? -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
I'm running/I've runned OpenBSD, NetBSD, OpenWall GNU/Linux and Slackware 9.0/12.0/13.0 on qemu. I'm no expert, but it seems to work ok. Give it a try, it compiles fast. I didn't use any modules on qemu - actually, I didn't even know such modules exist. Go ahead and try the main package. I'm running Slacware 13.0 on my pc, using qemu to learn OpenBSD.
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Is there *ANY* good virtualization software out there? Yes, there are some that support the world economy by generating 'make work' jobs, thereby distracting people from revolution. Oh, that's not what you meant by 'good'? The rest of your message gave several requirements but don't actually say *what problem you're trying to solve*, so any answers you get to your question are just reflections of what the responder guesses you to be aiming for. Philip Guenther
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@erratic.ca wrote: Ted Roby wrote: Hey, I got a 2 GB usb stick for my troubles over a recent fiasco with VMWare's release of Fusion 3. It seems their PR department is doing a better job than QC. Ooo, a trinket from WallyMart that you can buy for pocket change! Thanks.. I think. Hey, it's better than a(nother) kick in the pants. BTW: a bootable OpenBSD with X, scrotwm, firefox, mplayer, and a bunch of other handy stuff all fits in well under a gig on a USB stick. Make sure to mention that in your follow-up Thank-You note for the stick. :) Hey now! I think you fail to realize this particular trinket has the logo VMWARE screened on the outside of it. Oh, and it also blinks a pretty light when in use. I could be a typical Mac user, and consider this to be the best ever!. -- -RSM http://www.erratic.ca
OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Tomas Bodzar wrote: Which VMware August bug you mean? This one or different? http://communities.vmware.com/thread/162377?tstart=0start=0 yep, that's the one. Short version: VMware accidentally shipped a production release of ESX and ESXi (yes, both the expensive and no-charge version) which turned off management of the VMs on August 12, 2008 -- a turned on VM could stay running, but an off VM could not be started, and their wonderful vmotion feature stops working...which would be critical for less painful recovery from this problem. VMware regularly time bombed their beta versions of the software, and in this case, the time bomb slipped out the door. Hilarious, yet depressing (and telling): FAQ for Express Patches 1. What do the express patches do? There are two express patches: * For an affected ESX 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103908), use ESX Update 2 Express Patch (build 110181) * For an affected ESXi 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103909), use ESXi Update 2 Express Patch (build number 110180). They are specifically targeted for customers who have installed or fully upgraded to ESX/ESXi 3.5 Update 2 or who have applied the ESX350-200806201-UG/ESXe350-200807401-I-UG patch to ESX/ESXi 3.5 or ESX/ESX 3.5 Update 1 hosts. For customers who havent done either, these express patches should not be applied. Note: These patches have been validated to work with both esxupdate and VMware Update Manager. Maintenance mode is required, but a reboot of the ESX host is not required with these patches. We are currently testing an option to apply the patch without requiring VMotion or VM power-off and re-power-on at the point of patch application. To immediately refresh vmx on the VM, one can VMotion off running VMs, apply the patches and VMotion the VMs back. If VMotion capability is not available, VMs can be powered off before the patches are applied and powered back on afterwards. Did anyone else find an answer to the proposed question?1. What do the express patches do? from the kb article (their follow up) to that issue: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=disp layKCexternalId=1006716 What a crock of shite. Good to know as I am just getting into a few small-scale virtualizing projects.. not so sure I am at *all* surprised. /end rant. ~Jason
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Jason Beaudoin jasonbeaud...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Tomas Bodzar wrote: Which VMware August bug you mean? This one or different? http://communities.vmware.com/thread/162377?tstart=0start=0 yep, that's the one. Short version: VMware accidentally shipped a production release of ESX and ESXi (yes, both the expensive and no-charge version) which turned off management of the VMs on August 12, 2008 -- a turned on VM could stay running, but an off VM could not be started, and their wonderful vmotion feature stops working...which would be critical for less painful recovery from this problem. VMware regularly time bombed their beta versions of the software, and in this case, the time bomb slipped out the door. Hilarious, yet depressing (and telling): FAQ for Express Patches 1. What do the express patches do? There are two express patches: * For an affected ESX 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103908), use ESX Update 2 Express Patch (build 110181) * For an affected ESXi 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103909), use ESXi Update 2 Express Patch (build number 110180). They are specifically targeted for customers who have installed or fully upgraded to ESX/ESXi 3.5 Update 2 or who have applied the ESX350-200806201-UG/ESXe350-200807401-I-UG patch to ESX/ESXi 3.5 or ESX/ESX 3.5 Update 1 hosts. For customers who haven t done either, these express patches should not be applied. Note: These patches have been validated to work with both esxupdate and VMware Update Manager. Maintenance mode is required, but a reboot of the ESX host is not required with these patches. We are currently testing an option to apply the patch without requiring VMotion or VM power-off and re-power-on at the point of patch application. To immediately refresh vmx on the VM, one can VMotion off running VMs, apply the patches and VMotion the VMs back. If VMotion capability is not available, VMs can be powered off before the patches are applied and powered back on afterwards. Did anyone else find an answer to the proposed question?1. What do the express patches do? from the kb article (their follow up) to that issue: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=disp layKCexternalId=1006716http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=disp%0AlayKCexternalId=1006716 What a crock of shite. Good to know as I am just getting into a few small-scale virtualizing projects.. not so sure I am at *all* surprised. Hey, I got a 2 GB usb stick for my troubles over a recent fiasco with VMWare's release of Fusion 3. It seems their PR department is doing a better job than QC. /end rant. ~Jason
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Jason Beaudoin jasonbeaud...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Tomas Bodzar wrote: Which VMware August bug you mean? This one or different? http://communities.vmware.com/thread/162377?tstart=0start=0 yep, that's the one. Short version: VMware accidentally shipped a production release of ESX and ESXi (yes, both the expensive and no-charge version) which turned off management of the VMs on August 12, 2008 -- a turned on VM could stay running, but an off VM could not be started, and their wonderful vmotion feature stops working...which would be critical for less painful recovery from this problem. VMware regularly time bombed their beta versions of the software, and in this case, the time bomb slipped out the door. Hilarious, yet depressing (and telling): FAQ for Express Patches 1. What do the express patches do? There are two express patches: * For an affected ESX 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103908), use ESX Update 2 Express Patch (build 110181) * For an affected ESXi 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103909), use ESXi Update 2 Express Patch (build number 110180). They are specifically targeted for customers who have installed or fully upgraded to ESX/ESXi 3.5 Update 2 or who have applied the ESX350-200806201-UG/ESXe350-200807401-I-UG patch to ESX/ESXi 3.5 or ESX/ESX 3.5 Update 1 hosts. For customers who haven t done either, these express patches should not be applied. Note: These patches have been validated to work with both esxupdate and VMware Update Manager. Maintenance mode is required, but a reboot of the ESX host is not required with these patches. We are currently testing an option to apply the patch without requiring VMotion or VM power-off and re-power-on at the point of patch application. To immediately refresh vmx on the VM, one can VMotion off running VMs, apply the patches and VMotion the VMs back. If VMotion capability is not available, VMs can be powered off before the patches are applied and powered back on afterwards. Did anyone else find an answer to the proposed question?1. What do the express patches do? from the kb article (their follow up) to that issue: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=disp layKCexternalId=1006716http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.d o?language=en_UScmd=disp%0AlayKCexternalId=1006716 What a crock of shite. Good to know as I am just getting into a few small-scale virtualizing projects.. not so sure I am at *all* surprised. Hey, I got a 2 GB usb stick for my troubles over a recent fiasco with VMWare's release of Fusion 3. It seems their PR department is doing a better job than QC. HAH! just to think they believe that is suitable in buying you off.. it's just ridiculous..
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jason Beaudoin jasonbeaud...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Jason Beaudoin jasonbeaud...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Tomas Bodzar wrote: Which VMware August bug you mean? This one or different? http://communities.vmware.com/thread/162377?tstart=0start=0 yep, that's the one. Short version: VMware accidentally shipped a production release of ESX and ESXi (yes, both the expensive and no-charge version) which turned off management of the VMs on August 12, 2008 -- a turned on VM could stay running, but an off VM could not be started, and their wonderful vmotion feature stops working...which would be critical for less painful recovery from this problem. VMware regularly time bombed their beta versions of the software, and in this case, the time bomb slipped out the door. Hilarious, yet depressing (and telling): FAQ for Express Patches 1. What do the express patches do? There are two express patches: * For an affected ESX 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103908), use ESX Update 2 Express Patch (build 110181) * For an affected ESXi 3.5 Update 2 (build number 103909), use ESXi Update 2 Express Patch (build number 110180). They are specifically targeted for customers who have installed or fully upgraded to ESX/ESXi 3.5 Update 2 or who have applied the ESX350-200806201-UG/ESXe350-200807401-I-UG patch to ESX/ESXi 3.5 or ESX/ESX 3.5 Update 1 hosts. For customers who haven t done either, these express patches should not be applied. Note: These patches have been validated to work with both esxupdate and VMware Update Manager. Maintenance mode is required, but a reboot of the ESX host is not required with these patches. We are currently testing an option to apply the patch without requiring VMotion or VM power-off and re-power-on at the point of patch application. To immediately refresh vmx on the VM, one can VMotion off running VMs, apply the patches and VMotion the VMs back. If VMotion capability is not available, VMs can be powered off before the patches are applied and powered back on afterwards. Did anyone else find an answer to the proposed question?1. What do the express patches do? from the kb article (their follow up) to that issue: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=disp layKCexternalId=1006716 http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=disp%0AlayKCexternalId=1006716 What a crock of shite. Good to know as I am just getting into a few small-scale virtualizing projects.. not so sure I am at *all* surprised. Hey, I got a 2 GB usb stick for my troubles over a recent fiasco with VMWare's release of Fusion 3. It seems their PR department is doing a better job than QC. HAH! just to think they believe that is suitable in buying you off.. it's just ridiculous.. It was yet another point for ditching the proprietary compromises, and focusing on a genuine solution for my personal OS. When I last stepped away from OpenBSD there was no Xenocara. It makes me warm and fuzzy to think that X11 now gets heavier auditing, by the best debugging team in the world, than just a port.
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
Ted Roby wrote: Hey, I got a 2 GB usb stick for my troubles over a recent fiasco with VMWare's release of Fusion 3. It seems their PR department is doing a better job than QC. Ooo, a trinket from WallyMart that you can buy for pocket change! Thanks.. I think. Hey, it's better than a(nother) kick in the pants. BTW: a bootable OpenBSD with X, scrotwm, firefox, mplayer, and a bunch of other handy stuff all fits in well under a gig on a USB stick. Make sure to mention that in your follow-up Thank-You note for the stick. :) -- -RSM http://www.erratic.ca
