Re: OpenSSH release CDS
On 12/03/2009, at 5:43 PM, David Schulz wrote: Well i think it is not a bad Idea; purchasing a superb remote administration software on a CD for 25USD or whatever [cut] For $50CDN that's exactly what you get - and you even get a free operating system thrown in!
Re: OpenSSH release CDS
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, patric conant wrote: I've repeatedly been in a position where we weren't making direct use of OpenBSD, but were using OpenSSH, and if there were a recurring cost associated with it (like purchasing a semi-annual CD) it would have been relatively painless to get a rubber stamp approval of such a cost, whereas purchasing an OS we weren't using would've been a much more difficult sell. Since there is already regular ssh art, (that could be used for the next several releases), how much further effort/money would it take to release OpenSSH on CD? Also of the people on misc@ how many would think they'd have an easier time convincing bosses/clients/others to buy a single CD for say $25 then they would getting an OS purchased. Just a thought, for these trying economic times and whatnot. Thanks for the voice of support, but I think that most people get OpenSSH from their OS vendor. Furthermore, for a CD to be worthwhile, we would need to provide binary releases for a number of operating systems. The infrastructure and effort required to build and verify binary releases across even a few of the popular platforms (also: how do we choose? whatever we do, we would offend someone) would make a slightly onerous release process a complete impossibility given our current pool of active developers -- like building OpenBSD release CDs, it isn't something that can be outsourced to the community. The best way to support OpenSSH is through donations to OpenBSD. For those who are concerned about the money so donated not actually benfitting OpenSSH, I offer the number of commits to OpenSSH made at the last two OpenBSD hackathons (n2k8 and c2k8) as proof that such donations do improve OpenSSH. -d
OpenSSH release CDS
I've repeatedly been in a position where we weren't making direct use of OpenBSD, but were using OpenSSH, and if there were a recurring cost associated with it (like purchasing a semi-annual CD) it would have been relatively painless to get a rubber stamp approval of such a cost, whereas purchasing an OS we weren't using would've been a much more difficult sell. Since there is already regular ssh art, (that could be used for the next several releases), how much further effort/money would it take to release OpenSSH on CD? Also of the people on misc@ how many would think they'd have an easier time convincing bosses/clients/others to buy a single CD for say $25 then they would getting an OS purchased. Just a thought, for these trying economic times and whatnot. -- /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for low technology. X Keep e-mail messages readable by any computer system. / \Keep it ASCII.
Re: OpenSSH release CDS
2009/3/11 patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.com: I've repeatedly been in a position where we weren't making direct use of OpenBSD, but were using OpenSSH, and if there were a recurring cost associated with it (like purchasing a semi-annual CD) it would have been relatively painless to get a rubber stamp approval of such a cost, whereas purchasing an OS we weren't using would've been a much more difficult sell. Since there is already regular ssh art, (that could be used for the next several releases), how much further effort/money would it take to release OpenSSH on CD? Also of the people on misc@ how many would think they'd have an easier time convincing bosses/clients/others to buy a single CD for say $25 then they would getting an OS purchased. Just a thought, for these trying economic times and whatnot. I can't speak for the devs, Theo, @misc or anyone except myself and my personal experiences with having a custom CD created but I'd bet my experiences aren't too different from what Theo and the core team have to deal with. When we looked into it for something else, we had to order a set number before anyone would even agree to print/press/package. All of that gets paid out of pocket with the hopes that you can move the product. If it doesn't sell in a reasonable time then it has suddenly become outdated and an unnecessary waste if your sales do not cover at least the physical costs and the man-hours of effort put into it. Colour me skeptical or pessimistic but I'd wager it's Just Not Worth It to package/print/sell OpenSSH discs. You can always donate to the project, though. Methods of payment are available at http://www.openssh.org/donations.html http://openbsd.org/donations.html kmw -- Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even if chequered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory or defeat.
Re: OpenSSH release CDS
Well i think it is not a bad Idea; purchasing a superb remote administration software on a CD for 25USD or whatever sounds easy to sell; though i think its true, it will be a lot of work and trouble to get those CD's and Packaging Artwork and everything in low enough Quantities, and then turn it over fast enough; Maybe though a Custom Build cheap enough USB Stick which gets loaded with the newest stable Version could be send out together with some Stickers or so. Who knows, just a thought to get more money to the Project. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:07:21AM -0400, Kevin Wilcox wrote: 2009/3/11 patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.com: I've repeatedly been in a position where we weren't making direct use of OpenBSD, but were using OpenSSH, and if there were a recurring cost associated with it (like purchasing a semi-annual CD) it would have been relatively painless to get a rubber stamp approval of such a cost, whereas purchasing an OS we weren't using would've been a much more difficult sell. Since there is already regular ssh art, (that could be used for the next several releases), how much further effort/money would it take to release OpenSSH on CD? Also of the people on misc@ how many would think they'd have an easier time convincing bosses/clients/others to buy a single CD for say $25 then they would getting an OS purchased. Just a thought, for these trying economic times and whatnot. I can't speak for the devs, Theo, @misc or anyone except myself and my personal experiences with having a custom CD created but I'd bet my experiences aren't too different from what Theo and the core team have to deal with. When we looked into it for something else, we had to order a set number before anyone would even agree to print/press/package. All of that gets paid out of pocket with the hopes that you can move the product. If it doesn't sell in a reasonable time then it has suddenly become outdated and an unnecessary waste if your sales do not cover at least the physical costs and the man-hours of effort put into it. Colour me skeptical or pessimistic but I'd wager it's Just Not Worth It to package/print/sell OpenSSH discs. You can always donate to the project, though. Methods of payment are available at http://www.openssh.org/donations.html http://openbsd.org/donations.html kmw -- Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even if chequered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory or defeat.
