Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, at 8:34 PM, patrick keshishian wrote: >> Search with keywords like "mini pc router", "pfsense router" etc, >> you will find a load of boxes along these lines (to pick the first >> one I found, there are loads of choices of all very similar hardware) >> - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004420642522.html? >> They do have video out as well but you can just configure OpenBSD >> to use serial console. >> >> Now that the 1G em(4) chips are out of stock everywhere, the common >> NICs these days are igc(4) 2.5G ethernet (very common, to the extent that >> "I225" will probably also do as a search term ..). > > I picked up one of these and just got it unpacked. > I am failing to figure out how to boot from an external > USB CDR to get OpenBSD installed on there. > > I'm connecting through the serial/COM port, but it > automatically goes through the Pfsense/FreeBSD > boot process and starts the "configuration" questions. > > Some reddit discussions seem to suggest pressing > either F2 or Delete key at the first beep. But either > I'm not quick enough, or I'm misunderstand something. > > Can someone offer any hints? > > --patrick While they might exist, none of the mini PC/firewalls I've received from China support BIOS redirection over serial. If yours is the same, you'll want to hook up a monitor and keyboard and then either redirect bsd.rd over serial, or complete the installation and then set up a serial console going forward. Another issue I've run into are BIOSes that disable all the CPU C-states by default. You will likely want to enable those for decent power management/cooling/power consumption. Overall, I've enjoyed my AliExpress cheapies, but the firmware leaves a lot to be desired. They seem to be compiled with every option under the sun present, even if they don't apply to the hardware in question - other than the aforementioned serial BIOS redirection. Brian Conway
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
hardkernel makes the odroid-h3/h3+. i haven't used this new generation, but my home firewall is an odroid-h2+ (the previous generation) and i use it with their 4-port pci nic addon card for a total of 6 rge(4) interfaces. they work good so far in veb(4). there's uart on the pin header but i've never tried it. dmesg for my odroid-h2+: OpenBSD 7.2 (GENERIC.MP) #758: Tue Sep 27 11:57:54 MDT 2022 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8367374336 (7979MB) avail mem = 8096378880 (7721MB) random: good seed from bootblocks mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 3.2 @ 0x79801000 (60 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "1.22" date 11/13/2020 bios0: HARDKERNEL ODROID-H2 acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 6.2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP FPDT FIDT MCFG SSDT DBG2 DBGP HPET LPIT APIC NPKT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT DMAR WDAT WSMT acpi0: wakeup devices HDAS(S3) XHC_(S4) XDCI(S4) RP01(S4) RP02(S4) RP03(S4) RP04(S4) RP05(S4) RP06(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 acpimcfg0: addr 0xe000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 1920 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4115 CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1795.04 MHz, 06-7a-01 cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN cpu0: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 19MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.0.2.4.2.1.1, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4115 CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1795.04 MHz, 06-7a-01 cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN cpu1: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4115 CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1795.04 MHz, 06-7a-01 cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN cpu2: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4115 CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1795.04 MHz, 06-7a-01 cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN cpu3: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu3: smt 0, core 3, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 120 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 5 (RP01) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 6 (RP02) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP03) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP04) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP05) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 4 (RP06) acpiec0 at acpi0: not present acpipci0 at acpi0 PCI0: 0x 0x0011 0x0001 com0 at acpi0 UAR1 addr 0x3f8/0x8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com1 at acpi0 UAR2 addr 0x2f8/0x8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo acpicmos0 at acpi0 acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB glkgpio0 at acpi0 GPO1 uid 1 addr 0xd0c4/0xcef irq 14, 80 pins glkgpio1 at acpi0 GPO0 uid 2 addr 0xd0c5/0xaff irq 14, 80 pins glkgpio2 at acpi0 GPO2 uid 3 addr 0xd0c9/0x7bf irq 15, 20 pins glkgpio3 at acpi0 GPO3 uid 4 addr 0xd0c8/0x82f
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On 11/24/2022 1:22 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: Yes. Sometimes they even have stock. PCEngines have stock again. Just ordered an apu2e4, and it shipped within hours after placing my order and making payment.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 08:50:53PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote: > On Nov 24 17:01:55, miko...@kucharski.name wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:50:39PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > On 2022-09-28, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: > > > > I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably > > > > 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, > > > > serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, > > > > based on OpenBSD. > > Doesn't PC Engines itself have a model like that? > PC Engines are / were not available for many months now. That is why I started looking for alternatives. I already bought few, as they have some models available again. Probably not for too long. However in long run, I would like to have some alternative :| -- Regards, Mikolaj
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Hello, > > Seeing recent issues with buggy BIOSes I wanted to avoid mini pc hunting > on Aliexpress :/ > I would be happy to have more choices to hunt for. But there aren't many. Qotom mini PCs are not bad. I bought one 5 years ago and it is still OK. I ordered another one as a spare recently and wait for it to arrive: Qotom Mini PC 5* I225-V 2.5G Lan Celeron J4105 AES-NI Quad core Pfsense Firewall Router Mini PC Q730G5 -- Regards Maksim Rodin
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Yes. Sometimes they even have stock. -- Sent from a phone, apologies for poor formatting. On 24 November 2022 19:51:07 Jan Stary wrote: On Nov 24 17:01:55, miko...@kucharski.name wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:50:39PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2022-09-28, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: > > I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably > > 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, > > serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, > > based on OpenBSD. Doesn't PC Engines itself have a model like that?
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On Nov 24 17:01:55, miko...@kucharski.name wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:50:39PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2022-09-28, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: > > > I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably > > > 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, > > > serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, > > > based on OpenBSD. Doesn't PC Engines itself have a model like that?
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:50:39PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2022-09-28, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: > > I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably > > 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, > > serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, > > based on OpenBSD. > > Search with keywords like "mini pc router", "pfsense router" etc, > you will find a load of boxes along these lines (to pick the first > one I found, there are loads of choices of all very similar hardware) > - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004420642522.html? > They do have video out as well but you can just configure OpenBSD > to use serial console. Seeing recent issues with buggy BIOSes I wanted to avoid mini pc hunting on Aliexpress :/ > Now that the 1G em(4) chips are out of stock everywhere, the common > NICs these days are igc(4) 2.5G ethernet (very common, to the extent that > "I225" will probably also do as a search term ..). > -- Regards, Mikolaj
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Le Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 06:37:16PM +0200, Denis Fondras a écrit : > Le Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 09:18:44AM -0700, Chris Cappuccio a écrit : > > Denis Fondras [open...@ledeuns.net] wrote: > > > Le Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Erik van Westen a ?crit : > > > > > > > > Have a look at shop.opnsense.com, they might have something. > > > > > > > > > > The DEC6xx/7xx/8xx are not fully supported by OpenBSD. > > > I don't know about the bigger boxes but being based on the same SoC they > > > are > > > probably not supported. > > > > What's unsupported? These seem like garden variety AMD Epyc. > > > > Console port (well, the getty(8) part of it) > And BTW kettenis@ should be thanked for making it display kernel logs on the console :)
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Le Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 09:18:44AM -0700, Chris Cappuccio a écrit : > Denis Fondras [open...@ledeuns.net] wrote: > > Le Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Erik van Westen a ?crit : > > > > > > Have a look at shop.opnsense.com, they might have something. > > > > > > > The DEC6xx/7xx/8xx are not fully supported by OpenBSD. > > I don't know about the bigger boxes but being based on the same SoC they are > > probably not supported. > > What's unsupported? These seem like garden variety AMD Epyc. > Console port (well, the getty(8) part of it) and SFP+ ports. Also multiple PCI devices are not recognized. (don't get fooled by the axgb0/1 devices, this is WIP and not ready yet). OpenBSD 7.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #38: Mon Sep 5 18:25:36 CEST 2022 r...@carcass.lab.ledeuns.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8519172096 (8124MB) avail mem = 8243609600 (7861MB) random: good seed from bootblocks mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 3.1 @ 0xce156000 (22 entries) bios0: vendor INSYDE Corp. version "05.32.50.0014-A10.22E" date 02/18/2022 bios0: Deciso B.V. NetBoard-A10 acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 5.0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP UEFI SSDT ASF! BOOT HPET APIC MCFG SLIC WDAT WDRT WSMT SSDT SSDT CRAT CDIT SSDT SSDT FPDT BGRT SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices GPP0(S4) GPP1(S4) GPP2(S4) GPP3(S4) GPP4(S4) GPP5(S4) GPP6(S4) GP17(S4) XHC0(S4) XHC1(S4) GP18(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B, 2196.19 MHz, 17-11-00 cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,SKINIT,TCE,TOPEXT,CPCTR,DBKP,PCTRL3,MWAITX,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,SHA,IBPB,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu0: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 64KB 64b/line 4-way I-cache, 512KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 24MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=1.1, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B, 2195.85 MHz, 17-11-00 cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,SKINIT,TCE,TOPEXT,CPCTR,DBKP,PCTRL3,MWAITX,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,SHA,IBPB,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu1: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 64KB 64b/line 4-way I-cache, 512KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache cpu1: smt 1, core 0, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu2: AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B, 2195.85 MHz, 17-11-00 cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,SKINIT,TCE,TOPEXT,CPCTR,DBKP,PCTRL3,MWAITX,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,SHA,IBPB,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu2: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 64KB 64b/line 4-way I-cache, 512KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache cpu2: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor) cpu3: AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B, 2195.85 MHz, 17-11-00 cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,SKINIT,TCE,TOPEXT,CPCTR,DBKP,PCTRL3,MWAITX,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,SHA,IBPB,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu3: 32KB 64b/line 8-way D-cache, 64KB 64b/line 4-way I-cache, 512KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L3 cache cpu3: smt 1, core 1, package 0 cpu4 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu4: AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B, 2195.85 MHz, 17-11-00 cpu4:
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Denis Fondras [open...@ledeuns.net] wrote: > Le Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Erik van Westen a ?crit : > > > > Have a look at shop.opnsense.com, they might have something. > > > > The DEC6xx/7xx/8xx are not fully supported by OpenBSD. > I don't know about the bigger boxes but being based on the same SoC they are > probably not supported. What's unsupported? These seem like garden variety AMD Epyc.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On 2022-09-29, Holger Glaess wrote: > hi > > > The Banana Pi R3 can be an alernative for PC Engines APU but, > > sadly , no support by openbsd , just linux. Doesn't seem to be available yet anyway? > https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R3 > > Holger > > > > On 28.09.22 16:27, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm using PC Engines for years. I have many of them. I want to buy more, >> but they are not available on their main web site. I'm still planning to >> buy them the moment they will show up on https://www.pcengines.ch/order.htm >> >> However, after many weeks of waiting, I finally reached a point, when I >> need to look for alternatives, as few of my hobbyist projects and plans >> are on-hold for too long. >> >> I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably >> 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, >> serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, >> based on OpenBSD. >> >> To give you an example, I have or had in the past, PC Engines with >> OpenBSD as: >> >> - plain simple Ethernet router >> - fiber + Ethernet router >> - Wi-Fi access point via Ethernet uplink >> - Wi-Fi access point via LTE modem uplink >> - WireGuard, OpenVPN endpoint >> - DNS, DHCP, TFTP and PXE server >> - print server and scanner via CUPS and SANE >> - HTTP server, plus some automation daemons >> >> Very typical stuff, nothing unusual I would say. I usually duplicate >> above setups in various locations, like family house, relatives, and my >> own place, but.. I run out of simple and reliable hardware to run it on, >> hence this post. I don't want to run full blown PC, because of >> electricity consumption and graphic card. In case of kernel panic() I >> want to have a system with serial console, by design on motherboard, >> not something additional. >> >> From architecture perspective I think most practical is amd64, but maybe >> well supported arm64 would do. If you want to put RPi in the picture, I >> don't think about it, as it has only one Ethernet interface. >> >> PS: Please CC me in any replies. >> > > -- Please keep replies on the mailing list.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
hi The Banana Pi R3 can be an alernative for PC Engines APU but, sadly , no support by openbsd , just linux. https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R3 Holger On 28.09.22 16:27, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: Hi, I'm using PC Engines for years. I have many of them. I want to buy more, but they are not available on their main web site. I'm still planning to buy them the moment they will show up on https://www.pcengines.ch/order.htm However, after many weeks of waiting, I finally reached a point, when I need to look for alternatives, as few of my hobbyist projects and plans are on-hold for too long. I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, based on OpenBSD. To give you an example, I have or had in the past, PC Engines with OpenBSD as: - plain simple Ethernet router - fiber + Ethernet router - Wi-Fi access point via Ethernet uplink - Wi-Fi access point via LTE modem uplink - WireGuard, OpenVPN endpoint - DNS, DHCP, TFTP and PXE server - print server and scanner via CUPS and SANE - HTTP server, plus some automation daemons Very typical stuff, nothing unusual I would say. I usually duplicate above setups in various locations, like family house, relatives, and my own place, but.. I run out of simple and reliable hardware to run it on, hence this post. I don't want to run full blown PC, because of electricity consumption and graphic card. In case of kernel panic() I want to have a system with serial console, by design on motherboard, not something additional. From architecture perspective I think most practical is amd64, but maybe well supported arm64 would do. If you want to put RPi in the picture, I don't think about it, as it has only one Ethernet interface. PS: Please CC me in any replies.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Another vote for ProtectCLI On 9/28/22 5:55 PM, myml...@gmx.com wrote: On 9/28/22 14:03, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2022-09-28, Sean Rider wrote: I have a 7.1 router/wg server running on a protectli FW4B and I've had no issues. Their customer service has been great too. https://protectli.com/vault-4-port/ Those appear to be old versions of the cheap chinese boxes I mentioned (because they have the now-hard-to-get em(4) instead of 2.5G igc(4)) but at about 2.5x the price I'd suggest looking into protecli devices, I have a 6 port that has worked flawlessly for years. https://protectli.com/ Thomas
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On 9/28/22 14:03, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2022-09-28, Sean Rider wrote: I have a 7.1 router/wg server running on a protectli FW4B and I've had no issues. Their customer service has been great too. https://protectli.com/vault-4-port/ Those appear to be old versions of the cheap chinese boxes I mentioned (because they have the now-hard-to-get em(4) instead of 2.5G igc(4)) but at about 2.5x the price I'd suggest looking into protecli devices, I have a 6 port that has worked flawlessly for years. https://protectli.com/ Thomas
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On 2022-09-28, Sean Rider wrote: > I have a 7.1 router/wg server running on a protectli FW4B and I've had no > issues. Their customer service has been great too. > > https://protectli.com/vault-4-port/ Those appear to be old versions of the cheap chinese boxes I mentioned (because they have the now-hard-to-get em(4) instead of 2.5G igc(4)) but at about 2.5x the price
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
I have a 7.1 router/wg server running on a protectli FW4B and I've had no issues. Their customer service has been great too. https://protectli.com/vault-4-port/ On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Denis Fondras wrote: > Le Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Erik van Westen a écrit : >> >> Have a look at shop.opnsense.com, they might have something. >> > > The DEC6xx/7xx/8xx are not fully supported by OpenBSD. > I don't know about the bigger boxes but being based on the same SoC they are > probably not supported.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Le Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Erik van Westen a écrit : > > Have a look at shop.opnsense.com, they might have something. > The DEC6xx/7xx/8xx are not fully supported by OpenBSD. I don't know about the bigger boxes but being based on the same SoC they are probably not supported.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On 28-09-2022 16:27, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: Hi, I'm using PC Engines for years. I have many of them. I want to buy more, but they are not available on their main web site. I'm still planning to buy them the moment they will show up on https://www.pcengines.ch/order.htm However, after many weeks of waiting, I finally reached a point, when I need to look for alternatives, as few of my hobbyist projects and plans are on-hold for too long. I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, based on OpenBSD. To give you an example, I have or had in the past, PC Engines with OpenBSD as: - plain simple Ethernet router - fiber + Ethernet router - Wi-Fi access point via Ethernet uplink - Wi-Fi access point via LTE modem uplink - WireGuard, OpenVPN endpoint - DNS, DHCP, TFTP and PXE server - print server and scanner via CUPS and SANE - HTTP server, plus some automation daemons Very typical stuff, nothing unusual I would say. I usually duplicate above setups in various locations, like family house, relatives, and my own place, but.. I run out of simple and reliable hardware to run it on, hence this post. I don't want to run full blown PC, because of electricity consumption and graphic card. In case of kernel panic() I want to have a system with serial console, by design on motherboard, not something additional. From architecture perspective I think most practical is amd64, but maybe well supported arm64 would do. If you want to put RPi in the picture, I don't think about it, as it has only one Ethernet interface. PS: Please CC me in any replies. Have a look at shop.opnsense.com, they might have something. Erik
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On 2022-09-28, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: > I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably > 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, > serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, > based on OpenBSD. Search with keywords like "mini pc router", "pfsense router" etc, you will find a load of boxes along these lines (to pick the first one I found, there are loads of choices of all very similar hardware) - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004420642522.html? They do have video out as well but you can just configure OpenBSD to use serial console. Now that the 1G em(4) chips are out of stock everywhere, the common NICs these days are igc(4) 2.5G ethernet (very common, to the extent that "I225" will probably also do as a search term ..). -- Please keep replies on the mailing list.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 02:27:48PM +, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using PC Engines for years. I have many of them. I want to buy more, > but they are not available on their main web site. I'm still planning to > buy them the moment they will show up on https://www.pcengines.ch/order.htm > > However, after many weeks of waiting, I finally reached a point, when I > need to look for alternatives, as few of my hobbyist projects and plans > are on-hold for too long. > > I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably > 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, > serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, jetway JBC430U941 are a decent alternative but they are also out of stock everywhere.
Re: PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Hello, what about a Pine64 RockPro64, it has a PCIe slot where you can put a multiport ethernet card or other things depending on your project... There's certainly a serial port usable as console on those too. Looks supported, according to : https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html But you may want to wait for comments from someone with actual real world experience of openbsd on those, I don't own one. Regards -- Vincent Legoll
PC Engines APU alternative for OpenBSD - 2022h2
Hi, I'm using PC Engines for years. I have many of them. I want to buy more, but they are not available on their main web site. I'm still planning to buy them the moment they will show up on https://www.pcengines.ch/order.htm However, after many weeks of waiting, I finally reached a point, when I need to look for alternatives, as few of my hobbyist projects and plans are on-hold for too long. I'm looking for something similar like PC Engines APU board. Preferably 4 network cards, 4GB of RAM, low power consumption, no graphic card, serial console access, suitable for wired and Wi-Fi and/or LTE router, based on OpenBSD. To give you an example, I have or had in the past, PC Engines with OpenBSD as: - plain simple Ethernet router - fiber + Ethernet router - Wi-Fi access point via Ethernet uplink - Wi-Fi access point via LTE modem uplink - WireGuard, OpenVPN endpoint - DNS, DHCP, TFTP and PXE server - print server and scanner via CUPS and SANE - HTTP server, plus some automation daemons Very typical stuff, nothing unusual I would say. I usually duplicate above setups in various locations, like family house, relatives, and my own place, but.. I run out of simple and reliable hardware to run it on, hence this post. I don't want to run full blown PC, because of electricity consumption and graphic card. In case of kernel panic() I want to have a system with serial console, by design on motherboard, not something additional. >From architecture perspective I think most practical is amd64, but maybe well supported arm64 would do. If you want to put RPi in the picture, I don't think about it, as it has only one Ethernet interface. PS: Please CC me in any replies. -- Regards, Mikolaj
