Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Nicolai Thanks Nicolai for the answer. A few things have been clarified off-list. I now understand the implications of the different routes to OpenBSD. Bernd
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Nicolai Thanks Nicolai for the answer. A few things have been clarified off-list. I now understand the implications of the different routes to OpenBSD. Bernd The best way to help OpenBSD is to help Theo de Raadt. The best way to do that is to buy CD's. Buy a CD and request no CD delivery. Buy many CD's with this intent. Buy a CD and have it shipped to Theo. (not ideal but an option) Theo does not like to admit it, understandably, but the main funding of Theo de Raadt's expenses is paid for by CD sales. If you want OpenBSD to continue to exist *BUY* *CD's*. If you want the most secure binaries and to help the OpenBSD project BUY CD's! SWIFT and the Foundation fund things like Hackathons. (I welcome corrections if I am am wrong) Those things are great. CD sales support Theo de Raadt directly. ELECTRICITY Property taxes Mortgage Food Beer All sorts of other ESSENTIAL expenses. We do not want Theo to have to get a commercial job. That would prevent him from being able to direct the OpenBSD project. If that happened then OpenBSD would cease to exist. BUY CD's It's really not that complicated. P.S. Theo de Raadt is an asshole. :) P.P.S. but if you care about OpenBSD that shit is irrelevant. ;)
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Nicolai Thanks Nicolai for the answer. A few things have been clarified off-list. I now understand the implications of the different routes to OpenBSD. Bernd The best way to help OpenBSD is to help Theo de Raadt. The best way to do that is to buy CD's. Buy a CD and request no CD delivery. Buy many CD's with this intent. Buy a CD and have it shipped to Theo. (not ideal but an option) Theo does not like to admit it, understandably, but the main funding of Theo de Raadt's expenses is paid for by CD sales. If you want OpenBSD to continue to exist *BUY* *CD's*. If you want the most secure binaries and to help the OpenBSD project BUY CD's! SWIFT and the Foundation fund things like Hackathons. (I welcome corrections if I am am wrong) Those things are great. CD sales support Theo de Raadt directly. ELECTRICITY Property taxes Mortgage Food Beer can One donate Beer to openBSD fondation ? All sorts of other ESSENTIAL expenses. We do not want Theo to have to get a commercial job. That would prevent him from being able to direct the OpenBSD project. If that happened then OpenBSD would cease to exist. BUY CD's It's really not that complicated. P.S. Theo de Raadt is an asshole. :) P.P.S. but if you care about OpenBSD that shit is irrelevant. ;) -- - () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
This is from the Electricity thread but seems on point: Dear Misc, In re electricity, please do one of the following: 1.Send money. 2.Convince OTHER PEOPLE to send money. This next bit is important, and is being overlooked again: 3.Stop summoning the Good Idea Fairy to the developers. I have seen the suggestions, and it's not that none of them could possibly work. It's that all of them *would have to be worked*, and whichever developers are working them will not be employed in their best and highest use. Dear Developers, Thanks. I bought a CD yesterday. Go ye and do the same. -- Edward Ahlsen-Girard Ft Walton Beach, FL
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Why not just set up a recurring Paypal donation? Even $20/mo should help, if enough people do it. -James Shupe
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which the Foundation doesn't pay for. Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to confuse me. Theo, I am planning to donate, but I am loosing my understanding of the optimal way. Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? Thanks, Bernd
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you don't need a product back. 2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte ber...@fams.de: On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which the Foundation doesn't pay for. Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to confuse me. Theo, I am planning to donate, but I am loosing my understanding of the optimal way. Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? Thanks, Bernd -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
We've found this strangely difficult to do also.. Just want to donate, don't want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you don't need a product back. 2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte ber...@fams.de: On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which the Foundation doesn't pay for. Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to confuse me. Theo, I am planning to donate, but I am loosing my understanding of the optimal way. Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? Thanks, Bernd
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
options: 1) cash in envelope, put into mail 2) bank cheque in envelope, put in mail 3) suck it up, and stop caring about the middle man's cut 4) bank transfers (also: see #3) 5) fly to canada with a suitcase of money 6) bank transfers to the EUROPEAN bank 7) OpenBSD Foundatation On 2014 Aug 14 (Thu) at 10:02:42 +0100 (+0100), Andy wrote: :We've found this strangely difficult to do also.. Just want to donate, don't :want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. : : :On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: :Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. :I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you :don't need a product back. : : : :2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte ber...@fams.de: : :On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: :How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? :The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which :the Foundation doesn't pay for. :Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to :confuse me. : :Theo, I am planning to donate, but I am loosing my understanding of the :optimal way. : :Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the :OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from :the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest :degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical :gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? : :Thanks, :Bernd : -- Democracy is good. I say this because other systems are worse. -- Jawaharlal Nehru
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Greetings. On 2014 Aug 14, at 01:10, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. This is potentially quite a good idea. The T-shirts and CDs exist because (a) some people find them useful in themselves, and (b) some people prefer or find it more convenient to buy a physical thing they don't intend to use, as a means of making an indirect donation to the project. This of course is discussed at length in the rest of this thread. There's precedent for such a physical book being sellable. The Python Reference Manual [1] is a dead-tree version of the language and library description also available for free at [2]. There's clearly some story about the various reasons why people buy that, but it's clear that at least some do. I have considered doing so myself -- a paper document is superior to an on-screen one in some circumstances -- but in the end found it more convenient to print out selected sections of the downloaded PDF. Places like lulu.com will put a PDF on paper for you and sell/ship the result. I've no idea of the economic details of that, or alternatives to lulu, but such services do exist. I'm not making any promises here, but given mild encouragement I'd be very willing to take a look at how complicated it would be to turn the existing text or texts into a readable PDF (I've done this sort of thing before, and could probably do it fairly efficiently). However it's not obvious to me where the source of the FAQ is. The HTML is at [3] and there's a plain-text version at [4], but I presume these are generated from some other common source. The latter says that The FAQ is available in text form in the pub/OpenBSD/doc directory from many FTP mirrors, but I wasn't able to turn that into an actual URL, or a location on http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/. All the best, Norman [1] http://www.amazon.com/Python-Language-Reference-Manual/dp/1906966141/ [2] https://docs.python.org/3/download.html [3] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html [4] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/obsd-faq.txt -- Norman Gray : http://nxg.me.uk SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Nicolai
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD
previously on this list Nicolai contributed: The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the stickers, paid for download at CD price. To fund the project yes but CD's are THE? route to fund Theo's ongoing full-time dedication. Cheque - more work than online so less likely? cash - risk, more work than online so less likely, knowing he actually got it? I guess Theo could publish his sort code and account number, are gifts tax free in Canada? -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? To fund the project yes but CD's are THE? route to fund Theo's ongoing full-time dedication. Unfortunately it is that, or gifts to me. Which is not income. I still need an income to remain legit in the eyes of the tax man. Cheque - more work than online so less likely? cash - risk, more work than online so less likely, knowing he actually got it? Or dera...@openbsd.org paypal, even. That's more recent, though. I guess Theo could publish his sort code and account number, are gifts tax free in Canada? gifts are tax free.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? I did a quick check out of curiosity and there they are, OpenBSD posters for sale. The interesting fact is that at Hersteller section (Manufacturer, tran.) is written OpenBSD.org! What does it mean?
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD
It means Producer, or maker If you do a search, you will see that they sell a lot of OpenBSD stuffare they or are they not selling official merchandise? I'd like to hear what German OpenBSD users think of the situation. If they're too busy, let me know. Daniel Villarreal On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Mihai Popescu mih...@gmail.com wrote: Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? I did a quick check out of curiosity and there they are, OpenBSD posters for sale. The interesting fact is that at Hersteller section (Manufacturer, tran.) is written OpenBSD.org! What does it mean?
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Villarreal yclwebmas...@gmail.com wrote: It means Producer, or maker also manufacturer ... -- Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD
2014-08-14 19:13 GMT+02:00 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org: Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? ? ixsoft.de is still listed as reseller on http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Did I miss something? Best Martin
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
We know... ;) Sent from my iPhone On 14 Aug 2014, at 16:14, Nicolai nicolai-om...@chocolatine.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Nicolai
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Hahaha, lol!! Yes peter :) Sent from my iPhone On 14 Aug 2014, at 10:17, Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org wrote: options: 1) cash in envelope, put into mail 2) bank cheque in envelope, put in mail 3) suck it up, and stop caring about the middle man's cut 4) bank transfers (also: see #3) 5) fly to canada with a suitcase of money 6) bank transfers to the EUROPEAN bank 7) OpenBSD Foundatation On 2014 Aug 14 (Thu) at 10:02:42 +0100 (+0100), Andy wrote: :We've found this strangely difficult to do also.. Just want to donate, don't :want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. : : :On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: :Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. :I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you :don't need a product back. : : : :2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte ber...@fams.de: : :On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: :How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? :The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which :the Foundation doesn't pay for. :Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to :confuse me. : :Theo, I am planning to donate, but I am loosing my understanding of the :optimal way. : :Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the :OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from :the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest :degree of freedom of what to do with it, and don't need any physical :gadgets to go with it. What is the optimal way to achieve this? : :Thanks, :Bernd : -- Democracy is good. I say this because other systems are worse. -- Jawaharlal Nehru
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: I changed the subject line On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost actually goes to OpenBSD. When you buy a CD the vast majority of the cost goes to OpenBSD. Who cares whether you need the CD or not. Buy if for the cool stickers. Throw the CD in the trash for all I and the OpenBSD developers care. Respectfully I find that a bit offensive. Ask me for a donation if you want. But do not expect me to by an object to be manufactured, shipped 1/3 of the way around the globe and then I'll through it in the trash. Not cool at all. You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cheers, --patrick OpenBSD is, it seems, very cool and worth supporting. I am investigating using the mechanism detailed in http://www.openbsd.org/bank-donation.html... Looking at https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order there seems to be no difference in CDs and T'Shirts in so far as where the money goes. I do understand from conversations I have had that there is a difference. Lastly: IMO It is time to change. CDs are no longer useful. I have OpenBSD on a VPS so stickers are a waste of time too. I would like to donate some money, but it is not easy. I would like to know for sure that the money goes to the project. For expenses or to developers, who spend so much time on this, to spend on whatever they want (beer, fish, little rubber balls...) But I will not buy things I cannot use. Worik -- Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? worik.stan...@gmail.com 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
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Respectfully I find that a bit offensive. Ask me for a donation if you want. But do not expect me to by an object to be manufactured, shipped 1/3 of the way around the globe and then I'll through it in the trash. Not cool at all. Then find another way to ensure that OpenBSD persists in the future. Come on, the web pages regarding donations are more than clear about how things work. Refer to http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html. There is a Foundation following government imposed rules. There is a Project, which is not a corporation, so that the Foundation can help it. There is a clear separation. Then there is a guy in Calgary who has no other job because herding roughly 100 people into making a high-quality release every 6 month (on the clock) doesn't allow time for another job. It sounds like you can put sentences together to form paragraphs, so I bet you and others can figure this out. If you want this almost 20 year old thing to be sustained further, find a way of your own that you think will sustain it. Otherwise it sounds like you are digging for excuses. The Foundation is doing a great job these days covering most of the costs of the project (see their web pages for a list of what they have funded over the last 3 years). But the Foundation does not cover my time. And I will not spend my time begging. Nor would most of you. OpenBSD is, it seems, very cool and worth supporting. I am investigating using the mechanism detailed in http://www.openbsd.org/bank-donation.html... That is a mechanism that funds the Project directly. I dig into this to cover expenses for the Project that the Foundation does not cover, in particular when they occur in Europe (obviously). Does anyone find fault with this? Looking at https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order there seems to be no difference in CDs and T'Shirts in so far as where the money goes. I do understand from conversations I have had that there is a difference. Well OBVIOUSLY CDs accumulate more revenue than T-shirts, so recently we've not made any T-shirts because it isn't worth it, the setup costs and overheads are higher than the number sold. If you guys don't buy enough of them, then we don't do the setup. Other than that, there is no difference to you, expect that I would guess you don't buy any, and you don't fund the Project or the Foundation, and all of this is idle chatter. Lastly: IMO It is time to change. CDs are no longer useful. I have OpenBSD on a VPS so stickers are a waste of time too. Thanks for the advice. Does your advice change anything? NO! It changes NOTHING. That is the kind of advice that comes off close to telling us to give up and die. I would like to donate some money, but it is not easy. Not easy? That statement is totally false. You found the web page. And the Foundation takes paypal, even off a credit card. Not easy? I would like to know for sure that the money goes to the project. For expenses or to developers, who spend so much time on this, to spend on whatever they want (beer, fish, little rubber balls...) But I will not buy things I cannot use. You use software we've produced for almost 20 years, without cost, then you think you can saunter in here and demand greater transparancy? Why don't you show your bank accounts...
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? Worik -- Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? worik.stan...@gmail.com 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. A good portion of the CD sales pays me a salary, as I do the release engineering throughout the year. Obviously there are overheads in doing a production sales shipping operation, so the word portion is correct. As to what the salary pays, well basically it means 4.5 months of making sure the development process doesn't take too many risks and go off the rails, and 1.5 months of producing the release. A release which is ready for the internet, but also ready to go onto the CDs -- which even today act as a significant control to make sure we don't do bat shit crazy stuff like bloat the code. Then, repeat; 36 or so times in a row so far. Anyone want to volunteer to take over the release process? During that entire process, I coordinate and participate in the security ideas our project is famous for. How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which the Foundation doesn't pay for.
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 14/08/14 11:55, Theo de Raadt wrote: Well OBVIOUSLY CDs accumulate more revenue than T-shirts, so recently we've not made any T-shirts because it isn't worth it, the setup costs and overheads are higher than the number sold. If you guys don't buy enough of them, then we don't do the setup. Other than that, there is no difference to you, expect that I would guess you don't buy any, and you don't fund the Project or the Foundation, and all of this is idle chatter. Nope. I have a Blow Fish T'shirt from years gone by. I bought a CD back then too. It was useful then. I fully get the set-up costs of T'shirts. That is a shame but if it is too much work I can go naked. Definitely not idle chatter. I am interested in getting beer into your fridge or biscuits into your dog or whatever. Absolutely not idle chatter! Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. Not idle chatter. Finding efficient ways to get you money given the date. W -- Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? worik.stan...@gmail.com 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. We should do more... Then you'll give us more
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. I believe it goes to the project, no different than if I had received the CDs. How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? I'm not familiar that method, therefore, I can't comment. Best, --patrick Worik -- Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? worik.stan...@gmail.com 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)
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I just donated money to pay for the developer's time in responding to this useless thread. =P Theo de Raadt: Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. We should do more... Then you'll give us more
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Then buy the damn CD and have it shipped to Theo. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: I changed the subject line On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost actually goes to OpenBSD. When you buy a CD the vast majority of the cost goes to OpenBSD. Who cares whether you need the CD or not. Buy if for the cool stickers. Throw the CD in the trash for all I and the OpenBSD developers care. Respectfully I find that a bit offensive. Ask me for a donation if you want. But do not expect me to by an object to be manufactured, shipped 1/3 of the way around the globe and then I'll through it in the trash. Not cool at all. OpenBSD is, it seems, very cool and worth supporting. I am investigating using the mechanism detailed in http://www.openbsd.org/bank-donation.html... Looking at https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order there seems to be no difference in CDs and T'Shirts in so far as where the money goes. I do understand from conversations I have had that there is a difference. Lastly: IMO It is time to change. CDs are no longer useful. I have OpenBSD on a VPS so stickers are a waste of time too. I would like to donate some money, but it is not easy. I would like to know for sure that the money goes to the project. For expenses or to developers, who spend so much time on this, to spend on whatever they want (beer, fish, little rubber balls...) But I will not buy things I cannot use. Worik -- Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? worik.stan...@gmail.com 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Donations to OpenBSD
Seems pretty easy to make donations. Send money. Don't want a CD? OK, Send money. The documentation is already provided, the FAQ is an excellent codicil to the man pages. No need for a PDF really. There is a clear need for money. Demonstrate your willingness and interest to contribute by ... contributing. The free suggestions are not as useful as money. Send some money, then sit back enjoy the software and be generally quiet. Every now and again we get to watch Theo go off on someone, its fun even though I kinda worry about him bursting a vein at us. Theo de Raadt wrote: Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. We should do more... Then you'll give us more
