Re: Please help me
> I never mean to disturb you with what is going on in my family but I am > crying out loud to request your help. My twin sister has been suffering > from breast cancer for a while and its become worse so we had to conclude > on her surgery for her to get cured as said by the doctors but the cost is > high. The doctors said the cost of the surgery is $12,550 and since my dad > left us alone in 2002, our mom has been the only one taking care of me, my > twin sister and my younger brother. That is TERRIBLE news! > I am glad that many of our family members and friends did their best and > we've been able to put together $11,770 but it remains $780 for the > surgery. I don't want her to die, Sonia is my twin sister and I love her > so much. The pains she has been going through is hard. Call tekmote.nl. They make a bundle on selling Lemote minis for a few hundred times actual cost. Not sure where the markup is, maybe they are not to blame. Who knows. One thing's for sure they have the money you need. > Please, I will be glad if you are able to render any help to my family for > her to be cured. Either donating to you or buying a Lemote mini. H decisions decisions!
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 08:42:12AM -0800, S Mathias wrote: > "> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." > > Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. Of course. My main carry around system, ie the one I log the most amount of time on, is a OpenBSD/PPC one. On top of that every other system is OpenBSD save for one sparc64 linux system (to build a package), and a MacOS/X system for the kids games. Unless you insist on Flash or games, I don't see the point other then OpenBSD :-) cheers bruce > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, SJP Lists wrote: > > > From: SJP Lists > > Subject: Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD > > To: "S Mathias" > > Cc: "misc@openbsd.org" > > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 1:08 AM > > On Thursday, 20 January 2011, S > > Mathias > > wrote: > > > > > Purpose: Just a "home router". > > > > > > Question: > > > > > > What is more secure/reliable in this case? > > > OpenWrt or OpenBSD? > > > Anyone got any opinions? What should i choose? > > > > I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99. > > > > In that time, the only time I've seen it crash was due to > > hardware > > failures or spectacular stuff ups on my part. > > > > When you use OpenBSD for long enough and really come to > > appreciate it, > > you won't look back. > > > > > > Shane
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 01/21/2011 04:14 AM, Philip Guenther wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera > wrote: >> On 20/01/11 22:47, Andres Perera wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Predrag Punosevac >>> wrote: > ... All my desktops and laptops run OpenBSD. As a matter of fact the desktops and laptops of all my students also run OpenBSD:-) It is mandatory! >>> >>> Ignoring that I have a hard time believing that, I've had to deal with >>> your type before, and I didn't like it. The teacher wanted me to >>> install Windows so that I could learn Excel, all of this being part of >>> the introduction to programming class. >>> >>> Really need to focus on the content instead of the tools, specially if >>> you're supposed to be a respectful person being paid to teach. >> >> It's actually the same; FORCING people to use an OS, be it freer or not, >> is basically the same idea; if you FORCE them to use it, it's not freedom. > > Huh. Do not confuse freedom with education. > > Imagine you're teaching a junior/senior level course about OSes, along > with other courses or duties as part of a normal course and duty load. > You understand that theory without practice is hollow, so you desire > to require some practice of your students. As part of your course, > you require your students to demonstrate OS understanding by at least > *attempting* to make a change to an OS. What range of OSes do *you* > accept as the target of that? > > A specific OS used in lecture and discussion for the class? > Any of several OS mentioned in lecture for the class? > Any OS to which you and the student can run and legally view and > modify the source? > Any OS to which you and the student can legally view and modify the source? > Any OS which is "still in active development", for some definition of > that phrase? > Any OS to which the student can obtain source during the term > (regardless of whether you can legally view it)? > > (Where do the following OSes fall in that list: Linux, OpenBSD, > DragonflyBSD, SunOS, AIX, OS/360, Sprite, V, L4. At one of the > colleges I worked at, some of the students were officially interns > with IBM for a project that they were not to disclose. A submission > from them would have been interesting...) > > Care to make an estimate for how long it will take you to evaluate the > student submissions, *PER OS*? > I don't understand why they can't be evaluated in school/univerity/whatever computers, which such OS already installed, instead of their own. Regardless, I must admit, you make a good point, and on this, I must agree on this particular example :-) > > Philip Guenther > -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > On 20/01/11 22:47, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Predrag Punosevac >> wrote: ... >>> All my desktops and laptops run OpenBSD. As a matter of fact the >>> desktops and laptops of all my students also run OpenBSD:-) It is >>> mandatory! >> >> Ignoring that I have a hard time believing that, I've had to deal with >> your type before, and I didn't like it. The teacher wanted me to >> install Windows so that I could learn Excel, all of this being part of >> the introduction to programming class. >> >> Really need to focus on the content instead of the tools, specially if >> you're supposed to be a respectful person being paid to teach. > > It's actually the same; FORCING people to use an OS, be it freer or not, > is basically the same idea; if you FORCE them to use it, it's not freedom. Huh. Do not confuse freedom with education. Imagine you're teaching a junior/senior level course about OSes, along with other courses or duties as part of a normal course and duty load. You understand that theory without practice is hollow, so you desire to require some practice of your students. As part of your course, you require your students to demonstrate OS understanding by at least *attempting* to make a change to an OS. What range of OSes do *you* accept as the target of that? A specific OS used in lecture and discussion for the class? Any of several OS mentioned in lecture for the class? Any OS to which you and the student can run and legally view and modify the source? Any OS to which you and the student can legally view and modify the source? Any OS which is "still in active development", for some definition of that phrase? Any OS to which the student can obtain source during the term (regardless of whether you can legally view it)? (Where do the following OSes fall in that list: Linux, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD, SunOS, AIX, OS/360, Sprite, V, L4. At one of the colleges I worked at, some of the students were officially interns with IBM for a project that they were not to disclose. A submission from them would have been interesting...) Care to make an estimate for how long it will take you to evaluate the student submissions, *PER OS*? Philip Guenther
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 20/01/11 22:47, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Predrag Punosevac > wrote: >> On 20 January 2011 16:42, S Mathias wrote: >>> "> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." >>> >>> Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. >>> >> All my desktops and laptops run OpenBSD. As a matter of fact the >> desktops and laptops of all my students also run OpenBSD:-) It is >> mandatory! >> > > Ignoring that I have a hard time believing that, I've had to deal with > your type before, and I didn't like it. The teacher wanted me to > install Windows so that I could learn Excel, all of this being part of > the introduction to programming class. > > Really need to focus on the content instead of the tools, specially if > you're supposed to be a respectful person being paid to teach. > It's actually the same; FORCING people to use an OS, be it freer or not, is basically the same idea; if you FORCE them to use it, it's not freedom. -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Friday, 21 January 2011, Aaron Glenn wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Stuart Henderson > wrote: >> On 2011-01-19, S Mathias wrote: >>> I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just >>> can't decide what to put on it: >>> >>> OpenWrt or >>> OpenBSD >> >> RB450G? OpenBSD, please. Send the diffs you use to tech@. > > it took a full 8 replies to get to the correct response? > now I understand why enlightened people find misc@ complete noise with > negligible signal. Wasn't everyone else assuming the OP was going to port?
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > On 20 January 2011 16:42, S Mathias wrote: >> "> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." >> >> Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. >> > All my desktops and laptops run OpenBSD. As a matter of fact the > desktops and laptops of all my students also run OpenBSD:-) It is > mandatory! > Ignoring that I have a hard time believing that, I've had to deal with your type before, and I didn't like it. The teacher wanted me to install Windows so that I could learn Excel, all of this being part of the introduction to programming class. Really need to focus on the content instead of the tools, specially if you're supposed to be a respectful person being paid to teach.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, S Mathias wrote: > What is more secure/reliable in this case? > OpenWrt or OpenBSD? > Anyone got any opinions? What should i choose? OpenBSD. If you ask in OpenWrt mailing list, they will tell you the same, for sure.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 21/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Aaron Glenn wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2011-01-19, S Mathias wrote: I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just can't decide what to put on it: OpenWrt or OpenBSD RB450G? OpenBSD, please. Send the diffs you use to tech@. it took a full 8 replies to get to the correct response? now I understand why enlightened people find misc@ complete noise with negligible signal. Or, in this case, 12.5% signal. Tho' between us, we just dropped that to 10%. paulm just call me pedant
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 20 January 2011 16:42, S Mathias wrote: > "> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." > > Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. > All my desktops and laptops run OpenBSD. As a matter of fact the desktops and laptops of all my students also run OpenBSD:-) It is mandatory!
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 1/20/11 1:32 PM, Aaron Glenn wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: [stuff] it took a full 8 replies to get to the correct response? now I understand why enlightened people find misc@ complete noise with negligible signal. I find the list very informative. But then "sometimes I sits and thinks and sometimes I just sits." Mehma
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 20 January 2011 16:42, S Mathias wrote: > "> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." > > Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. > It's been my preferred OS desktop since 2.9, and since I changed jobs its now my work desktop :~)
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
> > I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just > > can't decide what to put on it: > > > > OpenWrt or > > OpenBSD Depends mainly on whether yo mama so fat.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2011-01-19, S Mathias wrote: >> I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just >> can't decide what to put on it: >> >> OpenWrt or >> OpenBSD > > RB450G? OpenBSD, please. Send the diffs you use to tech@. it took a full 8 replies to get to the correct response? now I understand why enlightened people find misc@ complete noise with negligible signal.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 2011-01-19, S Mathias wrote: > I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just > can't decide what to put on it: > > OpenWrt or > OpenBSD RB450G? OpenBSD, please. Send the diffs you use to tech@.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, S Mathias wrote: > "> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." > > Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. I used to, for about 2 months. But then I realized that my internet lifestyle is too accustomed to flash to pretend I don't need it. Now I use FreeBSD with linux emulation for flash and it's all coo. Yo, I herd you liked Linux and FreeBSD so we put a LINUX inside your FreeBS.. etc. XoXo, Andres
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 01/20/11 12:07, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: S Mathias writes: Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. I use OpenBSD for desktop (laptop) as well as other settings, unless there is a specific reason to drag in something else. The 'firewall os' is a lot more capable in desktop/laptop space than most people tend to realize. I've used OpenBSD as my sole OS for my Thinkpads since 2001. The only thing I'm "missing" is the lack of Flash, and that hasn't killed met yet. There are a lot of useful apps in the ports tree. I daresay that most of the important things are in OpenBSD now, except for the latest KDE. So thats pretty darned good, as I see it. --STeve Andre'
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On 20 January 2011 11:18, S Mathias wrote: > I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just > can't decide what to put on it: > Use mikrotik - as they manufacture the product, test and integrate it MikrotikOS (which is linux with a bunch of custom stuff on top) will work best and be the most secure platform.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
S Mathias writes: > Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. I use OpenBSD for desktop (laptop) as well as other settings, unless there is a specific reason to drag in something else. The 'firewall os' is a lot more capable in desktop/laptop space than most people tend to realize. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
"> I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99." Does anyone using OpenBSD as a Desktop OS? :O you do? :O wow. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, SJP Lists wrote: > From: SJP Lists > Subject: Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD > To: "S Mathias" > Cc: "misc@openbsd.org" > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 1:08 AM > On Thursday, 20 January 2011, S > Mathias > wrote: > > > Purpose: Just a "home router". > > > > Question: > > > > What is more secure/reliable in this case? > > OpenWrt or OpenBSD? > > Anyone got any opinions? What should i choose? > > I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99. > > In that time, the only time I've seen it crash was due to > hardware > failures or spectacular stuff ups on my part. > > When you use OpenBSD for long enough and really come to > appreciate it, > you won't look back. > > > Shane
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 04:32:21PM -0800, Scott Stanley wrote: > b. have been on this list for a while and totally disregarded the > culture you were within. grepping my mailbox it looks this is the case. Although he might be just a troll.
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:18 PM, S Mathias wrote: > I have a RouterBoard 450G [680 Mhz cpu, 256 MB ram, 512 MB flash]. I just > can't decide what to put on it: > > OpenWrt or > OpenBSD > > Things needed on it: > > Firewall; DHCP, NAT, NTP client; PPPoE; SFTP; DynDNS; VPN [1-2 client]; > Statistics about traffic; Port Forward. > No WebGUI, only SSH port open on a non-default port. > > Purpose: Just a "home router". > > Question: > > What is more secure/reliable in this case? > OpenWrt or OpenBSD? > Anyone got any opinions? What should i choose? > > Aw man; either you a. just joined this mailing list to ask your question and didn't get any sense of the culture you were stepping into, or b. have been on this list for a while and totally disregarded the culture you were within. Do you do this in other parts of your life?
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Thursday, 20 January 2011, S Mathias wrote: > Purpose: Just a "home router". > > Question: > > What is more secure/reliable in this case? > OpenWrt or OpenBSD? > Anyone got any opinions? What should i choose? I've been using OpenBSD since 2.5, '99. In that time, the only time I've seen it crash was due to hardware failures or spectacular stuff ups on my part. When you use OpenBSD for long enough and really come to appreciate it, you won't look back. Shane
Re: Please help me decide: OpenWrt vs. OpenBSD
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 02:18:45PM -0800, S Mathias wrote: > What is more secure/reliable in this case? > OpenWrt or OpenBSD? > Anyone got any opinions? What should i choose? I suggest that you try *both* and give each some time. You will learn some things, and you will make a more informed decision.
