Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
Paul de Weerd wrote: [snip] Depending on the origin and contents of the presentation you can : 1) Tell the originator to stop sending you MS docs In the long run, this is the most advantageous. PDF/A is an option for read-only. For those stuck on legacy applications and a need document editable, there is a plug-in from Sun to allow use of standard formats: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/get.jsp There is also a viewer which works, but could use improvement: http://opendocumentfellowship.com/odfviewer If the viewer is something someone here would like to get paid to take further, let me know off list. Regards, -Lars
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 10:21 +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/05/air-force-mater.html That reminds me of a story where investigators were stumped for 3 months trying to get data off a 1541 5.25 drive connected to a Commodore 64. I wish I could find the link to it. I'm not so worried about that particular project (for obvious reasons), but I have been putting together a plan to move anything that talks to the world to OBSD. Cheers, --Tim -- Monkey + Typewriter = Echoreply ( http://echoreply.us )
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On 2008. May 16. 11:59:33 Tim Post wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 10:21 +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/05/air-force-mater.html That reminds me of a story where investigators were stumped for 3 months trying to get data off a 1541 5.25 drive connected to a Commodore 64. I wish I could find the link to it. I'm not so worried about that particular project (for obvious reasons), but I have been putting together a plan to move anything that talks to the world to OBSD. Then, when everyone will use OpenBSD, and have calmed down, the devs will unhide a super-secret secretly hidden remote hole, and the computers will turn into one big playground for the OpenBSD folks ;) (just fooling around.. of course)... Daniel -- LEVAI Daniel PGP key ID = 0x4AC0A4B1 Key fingerprint = D037 03B9 C12D D338 4412 2D83 1373 917A 4AC0 A4B1
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
I'm not so worried about that particular project (for obvious reasons), but I have been putting together a plan to move anything that talks to the world to OBSD. Then, when everyone will use OpenBSD, and have calmed down, the devs will unhide a super-secret secretly hidden remote hole, and the computers will turn into one big playground for the OpenBSD folks ;) Don't you mean: # attrib -h SuperSecretSecretlyHiddenRemoteHole -- ~michael www.BSDqed.com
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
* L?VAI D?niel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-16 13:40:13]: On 2008. May 16. 11:59:33 Tim Post wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 10:21 +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/05/air-force-mater.html That reminds me of a story where investigators were stumped for 3 months trying to get data off a 1541 5.25 drive connected to a Commodore 64. I wish I could find the link to it. I'm not so worried about that particular project (for obvious reasons), but I have been putting together a plan to move anything that talks to the world to OBSD. Then, when everyone will use OpenBSD, and have calmed down, the devs will unhide a super-secret secretly hidden remote hole, and the computers will turn into one big playground for the OpenBSD folks ;) (just fooling around.. of course)... Daniel -- LEVAI Daniel PGP key ID = 0x4AC0A4B1 Key fingerprint = D037 03B9 C12D D338 4412 2D83 1373 917A 4AC0 A4B1 Well, in a way, diversity of operating systems is a good thing in terms of security. However, if the diverse population is made up of buggy crap, then you see less of a benefit. The worst case scenario is when you have a single operating system having a majority, and being crappy. -- Travers Buda
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
Travers Buda wrote: Well, in a way, diversity of operating systems is a good thing in terms of security. However, if the diverse population is made up of buggy crap, then you see less of a benefit. The worst case scenario is when you have a single operating system having a majority, and being crappy. Well, I can proudly say that I do own two business and one is 100% OpenBSD only now for 10 years, and the second one only have 8 Solaris servers left in it that sadly I can't switch to OpenBSD yet. The last Microsoft server alive was kill a few years back, NT4.0 and we had a party then. Never look back and sure never regret it either. And we keep increasing the usage of OpenBSD as time allow us too and all servers were replaced. Now it's slowly time for Cisco routers where possible. And any guys that is working and higher for the business is required to know OpenBSD and if not, then is given a few weeks to learns and show future success on using and maintaining it and if not, then excuse from the position in favor of a more successful one. I have to say that I would be curious to know how successful it is included in various business and to what level as well. I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing.
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
Hello Daniel, On 5/16/08 8:54 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. Not to challenge you or anyone else personally: What's the best program to look at Microsoft Powerpoint presentations? I now and the receive them, K presenter crashes on them, and still have to forward them to a Mac. +++chefren
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:35:00 +0200 chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. I can almost second that except for the few cases in which we really need to update stuff without fuzz, then we use Debian.
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
Rico Secada wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:35:00 +0200 chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. I can almost second that except for the few cases in which we really need to update stuff without fuzz, then we use Debian. All I need and use are in packages and using current and the pkg_add to updates couldn't be easier and faster. I find it a lots faster and easier then app_get from Debian, but that's the beauty of it all. You choose what you feel is right for you. And in some cases, release is just find and it's not liek I need the latest all the time for each packages either. A properly 6 months fresh reinstall on all always provides best results and fix what ever bugs in between that may happened. I still haven't switch some desktop to OpenBSD yet because of some stupid Microsoft customers requirements, but as far as servers are concern, hell OpenBSD beat all for me anyway. 140 servers and keep counting. I couldn't sleep better. And I should also say for the desktop there is a little bit of slacking on my part too, to switch to it. I still haven't find an easy way to setup window manager as easy as doing servers. but most likely may be my lack of spending time to learn it as well too.
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On Fri, 16 May 2008, chefren wrote: Hello Daniel, On 5/16/08 8:54 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. Not to challenge you or anyone else personally: What's the best program to look at Microsoft Powerpoint presentations? I now and the receive them, K presenter crashes on them, and still have to forward them to a Mac. +++chefren If you just need to look at them and don't mind if the slides are not perfect, Open Office and Google docs will do just fine. Floor -- Floor Terra [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://brobding.mine.nu/ Netiquette Guidelines: http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.html
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:35:00PM +0200, chefren wrote: Hello Daniel, On 5/16/08 8:54 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. Not to challenge you or anyone else personally: What's the best program to look at Microsoft Powerpoint presentations? I now and the receive them, K presenter crashes on them, and still have to forward them to a Mac. Depending on the origin and contents of the presentation you can : 1) Tell the originator to stop sending you MS docs 2) Load them in Google Docs (which should convert them) 3) Try OO.org conversion 4) Special case it 4a) Use your mac 4b) Use Windows in a QEMU image 4c) Use a not-connected windows machine + USB drive Option 1) can be very effective, especially with the growing awareness amongst Windows users (in corp- and govtland) of non-Windows users in the rest of the world. It just depends. Is your current solution (forwarding to your Mac) something you want to get rid of ? Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:48:47 -0400 Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico Secada wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:35:00 +0200 chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. I can almost second that except for the few cases in which we really need to update stuff without fuzz, then we use Debian. All I need and use are in packages and using current and the pkg_add to updates couldn't be easier and faster. I find it a lots faster and easier then app_get from Debian, but that's the beauty of it all. You choose what you feel is right for you. Yes :-) but I was mainly talking about the basesystem and kernel. About it being more easy and more fast than apt-get from Debian, I have yet to witness that :-) And in some cases, release is just find and it's not liek I need the latest all the time for each packages either. A properly 6 months fresh reinstall on all always provides best results and fix what ever bugs in between that may happened. I still haven't switch some desktop to OpenBSD yet because of some stupid Microsoft customers requirements, but as far as servers are concern, hell OpenBSD beat all for me anyway. 140 servers and keep counting. I couldn't sleep better. And I should also say for the desktop there is a little bit of slacking on my part too, to switch to it. I still haven't find an easy way to setup window manager as easy as doing servers. but most likely may be my lack of spending time to learn it as well too.
Re: Time for OBSD everywhere?
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 23:26 +0200, Rico Secada wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:35:00 +0200 chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know at time it was said that OpenBSD is not for everything, but so far, I still haven't find anything that I need that OpenBSD can't shine doing. I can almost second that except for the few cases in which we really need to update stuff without fuzz, then we use Debian. I'm probably going to keep desktops / laptops Debian(ish). I've been working with it for years, I'm extremely used to it and I need to remain productive. My plan is to replace most servers with OBSD while really refining skills at writing stuff to be portable. Once I get that down, I'm going to start replacing firewalls, load balancers and other appliances with OBSD. Its probably going to take a year, but I think the result will be a nice example of putting each OS to its best use. -- Monkey + Typewriter = Echoreply ( http://echoreply.us )
