Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Marc Balmer

Sevan / Venture37 wrote:

On Sunday 25 November 2007 00:00:45 Sevan / Venture37 wrote:

Is the support for adjusting the mtu with VIA Rhine-II chipset based
interfaces missing because of hardware limitations or because support for
it hasn't been written yet??

# ifconfig vr0 mtu 1492
ifconfig: SIOCSIFMTU: Inappropriate ioctl for device



Sevan / Venture37



Appears to me that via hands out specs on a nda  case-by-case basis. Not

sure

why soekris decided to use those chips in the net-5501. Actually they use

via

rhine-III but they behave the same.
If you're routing to dsl you can workaround in pf.conf by putting a line

like

scrub out on $ext_if max-mss 1452
in the normalization section.

Regards,
Dorian



Hi Dorian
I'm aware of that option from reading the pppoe(4) man page, but I'm not too
keen on the side effects, hence why I was asking on the list about the
interface as I wouldn't mind testing a snapshot which did support it. The
system I'm going to be using is a jetway mini-itx board with a vr interface
built onboard  3 re interfaces on a daughterboard, it'd be a shame to waste a
gigabit interface for the pppoe connection.


Use the suggested pf setting.  It is the right way do handle it and 
there will be no ill side effects.





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Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Sevan / Venture37
 Use the suggested pf setting.  It is the right way do handle it and
 there will be no ill side effects.

Ok, so where does this statement from the pppoe(4) man page come in to play?

Note that setting the MSS this way can have undesirable effects, such as
reducing TCP/IP throughput, and interfering with the OS detection features of
pf(4).

Should I go back to reading the man pages because I've missed something??


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Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/11/27 09:44, Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
  Use the suggested pf setting.  It is the right way do handle it and
  there will be no ill side effects.
 
 Ok, so where does this statement from the pppoe(4) man page come in to play?
 
 Note that setting the MSS this way can have undesirable effects, such as
 reducing TCP/IP throughput, and interfering with the OS detection features of
 pf(4).

That's usually better than the alternative (i.e. going to all
the machines behind the NAT and changing their MTU).



Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 04:22:23AM +, Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
  On Sunday 25 November 2007 00:00:45 Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
  Is the support for adjusting the mtu with VIA Rhine-II chipset based
  interfaces missing because of hardware limitations or because support for
  it hasn't been written yet??
 
  # ifconfig vr0 mtu 1492
  ifconfig: SIOCSIFMTU: Inappropriate ioctl for device
 
 
 
  Sevan / Venture37
 
  Appears to me that via hands out specs on a nda  case-by-case basis. Not
 sure
  why soekris decided to use those chips in the net-5501. Actually they use
 via
  rhine-III but they behave the same.
  If you're routing to dsl you can workaround in pf.conf by putting a line
 like
  scrub out on $ext_if max-mss 1452
  in the normalization section.
 
  Regards,
  Dorian
 
 
 Hi Dorian
 I'm aware of that option from reading the pppoe(4) man page, but I'm not too
 keen on the side effects, hence why I was asking on the list about the
 interface as I wouldn't mind testing a snapshot which did support it. The
 system I'm going to be using is a jetway mini-itx board with a vr interface
 built onboard  3 re interfaces on a daughterboard, it'd be a shame to waste a
 gigabit interface for the pppoe connection.
 

If you run pppoe over the vr(4) interface so why do you need to reduce the
MTU of the interface. Do you like to break your network before it is
working?

-- 
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Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Sevan / Venture37
 If you run pppoe over the vr(4) interface so why do you need to reduce the
 MTU of the interface. Do you like to break your network before it is
 working?


Read the MTU/MSS issues of pppoe(4)
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Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/11/27 11:32, Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
  If you run pppoe over the vr(4) interface so why do you need to reduce the
  MTU of the interface. Do you like to break your network before it is
  working?
 
 
 Read the MTU/MSS issues of pppoe(4)

You need to read it again, paying more careful attention to
*which* interface has the changed MTU. Hint: not the one with
pppoe(4) running over it.

But, this is the wrong way to do things anyway, please just use
scrub max-mss.



Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-27 Thread Sevan / Venture37

 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:38 +
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 Subject: Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

 On 2007/11/27 11:32, Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
 If you run pppoe over the vr(4) interface so why do you need to reduce
the
 MTU of the interface. Do you like to break your network before it is
 working?


 Read the MTU/MSS issues of pppoe(4)

 You need to read it again, paying more careful attention to
 *which* interface has the changed MTU. Hint: not the one with
 pppoe(4) running over it.

 But, this is the wrong way to do things anyway, please just use
 scrub max-mss.


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Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-26 Thread Sevan / Venture37
 On Sunday 25 November 2007 00:00:45 Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
 Is the support for adjusting the mtu with VIA Rhine-II chipset based
 interfaces missing because of hardware limitations or because support for
 it hasn't been written yet??

 # ifconfig vr0 mtu 1492
 ifconfig: SIOCSIFMTU: Inappropriate ioctl for device



 Sevan / Venture37

 Appears to me that via hands out specs on a nda  case-by-case basis. Not
sure
 why soekris decided to use those chips in the net-5501. Actually they use
via
 rhine-III but they behave the same.
 If you're routing to dsl you can workaround in pf.conf by putting a line
like
 scrub out on $ext_if max-mss 1452
 in the normalization section.

 Regards,
 Dorian


Hi Dorian
I'm aware of that option from reading the pppoe(4) man page, but I'm not too
keen on the side effects, hence why I was asking on the list about the
interface as I wouldn't mind testing a snapshot which did support it. The
system I'm going to be using is a jetway mini-itx board with a vr interface
built onboard  3 re interfaces on a daughterboard, it'd be a shame to waste a
gigabit interface for the pppoe connection.


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Re: adjusting the mtu with vr(4)

2007-11-25 Thread Dorian Büttner
On Sunday 25 November 2007 00:00:45 Sevan / Venture37 wrote:
 Is the support for adjusting the mtu with VIA Rhine-II chipset based
 interfaces missing because of hardware limitations or because support for
 it hasn't been written yet??

 # ifconfig vr0 mtu 1492
 ifconfig: SIOCSIFMTU: Inappropriate ioctl for device



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Appears to me that via hands out specs on a nda  case-by-case basis. Not sure 
why soekris decided to use those chips in the net-5501. Actually they use via 
rhine-III but they behave the same.
If you're routing to dsl you can workaround in pf.conf by putting a line like 
scrub out on $ext_if max-mss 1452
in the normalization section.

Regards,
Dorian