Re: traffic management
* Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org [2010-06-02 17:18]: Where's the diffs? exactly. talk is cheap. I do see some ways to make altq in OpenBSD better easier. pf would still be the major entry point of course. irix ramblings are completely useless and if they have any effect at all they lower my motivation to work in that area. that was my share of cheap talk on the topic. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
Re: traffic management
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:37:35 +0300 irix i...@ukr.net wrote: Hello Misc, But at least you can say why? Obvious: don't fix what's not broken. no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen. -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov
Re: traffic management
Gregory Edigarov ha scritto: On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:37:35 +0300 irix i...@ukr.net wrote: Hello Misc, But at least you can say why? Obvious: don't fix what's not broken. Gregory, its an hard concept to get by most of the people :) no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen.
Re: traffic management
2010/6/2 irix i...@ukr.net: Hello Misc, But at least you can say why? no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net Because it makes my VoIP phones at home and a friends workplace go from hit-and-miss to... ohh yeah, that's right, we're using VoIP now! I forgot!, every time I receive a bill from my PSTN Telco with $0 for phone calls (for the past years). ie, pf/altq works so well for me that VoIP becomes so well behaved that I forget I'm even using it, even when uploads and downloads are going like the clappers. Once I go ADSL2+ Naked, then I hopefully won't be getting bills from that crusty money grubbing old Telco ever again, so I might almost completely forget how much pf/altq rocks (until obvious troll is obvious comes back of course). So, like others have said, it seems pretty far from broken to me. Maybe you have mis-configured it. Shane
Re: traffic management
Hello Misc, All of a sudden started talking about some fixes. Have I mentioned somewhere that something needs to be corrected, or that something is not working? I just said about remaking to simplify the code. Alternatives queue was initially conceived as framework in which you can with minimal effort to connect disciplines to develop. With the existing code in the form pf/altq add a new discipline has been a daunting task, you need a heap of places to dopiski indicate the new variables need to finish the new syntax. I simply asked why the code altq not do the same as the code nat / rdr, scrub to remove it and greatly simplified. As an option to make altq separately from firewall. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net
Re: traffic management
All of a sudden started talking about some fixes. Have I mentioned somewhere that something needs to be corrected, or that something is not working? I just said about remaking to simplify the code. Alternatives queue was initially conceived as framework in which you can with minimal effort to connect disciplines to develop. With the existing code in the form pf/altq add a new discipline has been a daunting task, you need a heap of places to dopiski indicate the new variables need to finish the new syntax. I simply asked why the code altq not do the same as the code nat / rdr, scrub to remove it and greatly simplified. As an option to make altq separately from firewall. Where's the diffs?
Re: traffic management
Hello Misc, Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net
Re: traffic management
Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. It is not going to happen.
Re: traffic management
2010/6/2 irix i...@ukr.net Hello Misc, All of a sudden started talking about some fixes. Have I mentioned somewhere that something needs to be corrected, or that something is not working? I just said about remaking to simplify the code. You said: Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. It is not a stretch to assume you imagined altq to not be fast, nor simple and not even functional. -- To our sweethearts and wives. May they never meet. -- 19th century toast
Re: traffic management
2010/6/2 Janne Johansson icepic...@gmail.com: 2010/6/2 irix i...@ukr.net Hello Misc, All of a sudden started talking about some fixes. Have I mentioned somewhere that something needs to be corrected, or that something is not working? I just said about remaking to simplify the code. You said: Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. It is not a stretch to assume you imagined altq to not be fast, nor simple and not even functional. -- To our sweethearts and wives. May they never meet. -- 19th century toast For MY personal opinion, using altq was the easiest thing and well documented(I came from Linux world) it even work with an eye glimpse Like this some day someone will say: Why not use GPL license???... -- Atentamente Andris Genovez Tobar / Sistemas Elastix ECE - Linux LPI-1 - Novell CLA - Apple ACMT Jabber: bitfr...@asgard.crice.org http://www.crice.org
Re: traffic management
irix wrote: Hello Misc, Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. Who would want this? This was the main reason for me to switch my routers to OpenBSD. (consistency, ease of configuring) I didn't want to fiddle with iptables and tc, search in outdated tc documentations or make (or use) huge scripts just to set a sane firewall-trafficshaping with a little extensibility. The native OpenBSD tools are just fine. (wifi-configuration's the same) Andreas
Re: traffic management
Hello Misc, Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. Who would want this? This was the main reason for me to switch my routers to OpenBSD. (consistency, ease of configuring) I didn't want to fiddle with iptables and tc, search in outdated tc documentations or make (or use) huge scripts just to set a sane firewall-trafficshaping with a little extensibility. The native OpenBSD tools are just fine. (wifi-configuration's the same) Well, Andreas, don't worry -- it won't be changing.
Re: traffic management
2010/6/3 irix i...@ukr.net: Hello Misc, Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net Nobody here is stopping you from using Linux.
Re: traffic management
On Wed, June 2, 2010 13:37, Theo de Raadt wrote: Hello Misc, Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. Who would want this? This was the main reason for me to switch my routers to OpenBSD. (consistency, ease of configuring) I didn't want to fiddle with iptables and tc, search in outdated tc documentations or make (or use) huge scripts just to set a sane firewall-trafficshaping with a little extensibility. The native OpenBSD tools are just fine. me too ... iptables naver more ... damn prerouting and postrouting ... (wifi-configuration's the same) Well, Andreas, don't worry -- it won't be changing. great, thanks for pf ! matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
Re: traffic management
Hi, On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:21:16 +0700, irix i...@ukr.net wrote: Hello Misc, Are there any plans have changed in the system of traffic control? For example removal of code altq from pf and make a separate management interface traffic other than pf. Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. Or revision of an existing traffic management system. I love ALTQ integration to PF, and IMHO, ALTQ works just fine. Do you have any problem with altq? HTH, -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom
Re: traffic management
On Jun 01 20:21:16, irix wrote: Hello Misc, Are there any plans have changed in the system of traffic control? For example removal of code altq from pf and make a separate management interface traffic other than pf. Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. Or revision of an existing traffic management system. obvious troll is obvious
Re: traffic management
Hello Misc, Are there any plans have changed in the system of traffic control? For example removal of code altq from pf and make a separate management interface traffic other than pf. Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. Or revision of an existing traffic management system. obvious troll is obvious no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen.
Re: traffic management
Ouch. I like IRIX. ex-SGI employee 43951. :) --- James A. Peltier james_a_pelt...@yahoo.ca - Original Message From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org To: Jan Stary h...@stare.cz Cc: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 2:40:37 PM Subject: Re: traffic management Hello Misc, Are there any plans have changed in the system of traffic control? For example removal of code altq from pf and make a separate management interface traffic other than pf. Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. Or revision of an existing traffic management system. obvious troll is obvious no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen.
Re: traffic management
Hello Misc, But at least you can say why? no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net
Re: traffic management
Isn't the onus on the one asking for change to list why it should be changed, and to contribute the code to show why your approach is superior, since Theo has apparently told you before it ain't happening? On 6/1/10, irix i...@ukr.net wrote: Hello Misc, But at least you can say why? no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Re: traffic management
Why? (There, I said it.) -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of irix Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:38 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: traffic management Hello Misc, But at least you can say why? no kidding. As we've told irix before, it will not happen. -- Best regards, irix mailto:i...@ukr.net
