Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
Tito Mari Francis Escaño titomarifrancis at gmail.com writes: Good day, I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. I searched online and found only older models. My sisters plan to give me a laptop for Christmas so I'd like to make sure I get the laptop that works with my OS of choice. Thank you very much. My suggestions: Best Budget Laptop: ASUS K55A-DS51 or Best Hybrid Laptop: Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13 Convertible Touchscreen source: http://thebestlaptopbrands.com/best-laptops-2013/
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 01:43:41PM +, Jack wrote: Tito Mari Francis Esca??o titomarifrancis at gmail.com writes: Good day, I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. I searched online and found only older models. My sisters plan to give me a laptop for Christmas so I'd like to make sure I get the laptop that works with my OS of choice. Thank you very much. My suggestions: Best Budget Laptop: ASUS K55A-DS51 or Best Hybrid Laptop: Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13 Convertible Touchscreen source: http://thebestlaptopbrands.com/best-laptops-2013/ Did you check for OpenBSD campatibility of these models? -Otto
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
But returning, if possible, to the original question ... On Thu Oct 4 19:23:41 2012, Tito Mari Francis Escaño wrote: I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. ... I have also been considering exactly this issue. Currently I'm using an elderly Thinkpad R61 with Fedora (Nvidia hardware) and XFCE. Frankly I'm starting to get a bit cheesed of with the seemingly ever increasing complexity or cruft of Linux and have been wondering what to do next. Also that R61 seems to be getting heavier and heavier :-) Well I don't fancy Windows. And while Macbook hardware looks both light and attractive, I'm not convinced that I'd really be any better off ... Can it be that there is really no good current solution using OpenBSD? Some Internet searching indicated that there are people using OpenBSD on laptops (including Apple laptop hardware?) but I also see a lot of issues mentioned e.g. in the areas of suspend/resume, wireless networking and power management. At least some of this info. maybe dated or simply cargo. I know I talked to Theo once at EuroBSDcon (2011? - Karlsruhe anyway) and I got the impression that a lot of work was going on then to improve acpi support. Does that continue to be the case? I guess I'm really asking if laptop platform support is a goal for OpenBSD? Would it be possible/feasible to sponsor the development of the necessary features/fixes in some way? My day to day requirements are quite basic: a lightweight, fast system, offering the standard Unix toolset and providing solid networking support (wired + wireless) together with good battery life (e.g. 4 or 5 hours). On top I typically use mutt, curl, ssh, screen/tmux, firefox, evince, libreoffice, etc. A windowing system desktop is necessary, but XFCE is fine for me - GNOME has gone a step too far (imho). Actually what might be ideal would be the new Google/Samsung Chromebook but with the ChromeOS replaced by OpenBSD - cheap too at ~200 UK Pounds. Comments? Yours, Robb. I keep six honest serving-men (They taught me all I knew); Their names are What and Why and When And How and Where and Who. Rudyard Kipling in his Just So Stories
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
Francisco Valladolid H. [fic...@gmail.com] wrote: Hi Tito I'm currently using a old Thinkpad T61p, good machine and OpenBSD 5.1 work fine. nvidia graphics.
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Erling Westenvik erling.westen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 09:04:58PM +0200, David Coppa wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Erling Westenvik erling.westen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:00:11PM -0500, Francisco Valladolid H. wrote: I'm currently using a old Thinkpad T61p, good machine and OpenBSD 5.1 work fine. And I am very satisfied with my ThinkPad T500 (September 2008 model, or August 2009, I'm not sure...) which my nephew gave to me since the company he works for considered it outdated. I'm running current and everything works except for bluetooth and the fingerprint sensor. Have you tried sysutils/login_fingerprint and security/libfprint ? Not really. The device shows up as ugen1 at uhub3 port 1 AuthenTec Fingerprint Sensor rev 2.00/17.03 addr 2 but when I install the package and try to run # enroll_fingerprint -f (I'm not telling you which finger ;-) I get No devices detected! According to the homepage of libfprint, the AuthenTec devices are not (yet) supported? Yes. Sadly, this particular device is not supported. Confirmed here too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfprint/+bug/389559
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 09:52:10AM +0200, David Coppa wrote: Yes. Sadly, this particular device is not supported. Confirmed here too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfprint/+bug/389559 There appear to have been some movement lately: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfprint/+bug/657031 Apparently someone has recently been in touch with AuthenTec and received back: ---8--- Just got a reply from Authentec: Hello, in fact we have just disclosed the USB spec to the developers interested in integrating the support for this device to the fprint project. If you're a developer and want to participate in the effort I would suggest to get involved via the fprint community. We can also share the USB spec with you directly, if you register to our Developer Program and let me know your user id. Best Regards Martin Konecny Software Integration Manager AuthenTec ---8---
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:00:11PM -0500, Francisco Valladolid H. wrote: I'm currently using a old Thinkpad T61p, good machine and OpenBSD 5.1 work fine. And I am very satisfied with my ThinkPad T500 (September 2008 model, or August 2009, I'm not sure...) which my nephew gave to me since the company he works for considered it outdated. I'm running current and everything works except for bluetooth and the fingerprint sensor. Excellent battery time and silent performance. (The built in Ericsson mobile broadband adapter gets recognized as cdce0/umodem0, but I'm not sure how to configure it.. :-) Anyway: Unix means typing and you should focus on the quality of the keyboard. And the keyboard on the ThinkPad is IMHO simply the best.
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 08:46:28PM +0200, Erling Westenvik wrote: And I am very satisfied with my ThinkPad T500 (September 2008 model, or August 2009, I'm not sure...) which my nephew gave to me since the company he works for considered it outdated. I'm running current and everything works except for bluetooth and the fingerprint sensor. Excellent battery time and silent performance. (The built in Ericsson mobile broadband adapter gets recognized as cdce0/umodem0, but I'm not sure how to configure it.. :-) With crypto softraid it was slow, I just put inside OCZ Vertex 3 and it is much better ;) j.
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Erling Westenvik erling.westen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:00:11PM -0500, Francisco Valladolid H. wrote: I'm currently using a old Thinkpad T61p, good machine and OpenBSD 5.1 work fine. And I am very satisfied with my ThinkPad T500 (September 2008 model, or August 2009, I'm not sure...) which my nephew gave to me since the company he works for considered it outdated. I'm running current and everything works except for bluetooth and the fingerprint sensor. Have you tried sysutils/login_fingerprint and security/libfprint ? ciao, David
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
I use a gen2 Intel ThinkPad X220 (for now) with FreeBSD. When I got it I tried to install OpenBSD and it worked for a day and I wiped it. I use FreeBSD because of the KMS support at this time. Battery time is about 1 hour less than on Windows. If you want guranteed support for almost all devices, get a T61/X61 and maybe a T*00/X200 series. My main concern was battery life as I get about 8 hours with WiFi on right now so I went for gen2 Intel series. Also this is the last serious with the good old keyboard. -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam)
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 09:04:58PM +0200, David Coppa wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Erling Westenvik erling.westen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:00:11PM -0500, Francisco Valladolid H. wrote: I'm currently using a old Thinkpad T61p, good machine and OpenBSD 5.1 work fine. And I am very satisfied with my ThinkPad T500 (September 2008 model, or August 2009, I'm not sure...) which my nephew gave to me since the company he works for considered it outdated. I'm running current and everything works except for bluetooth and the fingerprint sensor. Have you tried sysutils/login_fingerprint and security/libfprint ? Not really. The device shows up as ugen1 at uhub3 port 1 AuthenTec Fingerprint Sensor rev 2.00/17.03 addr 2 but when I install the package and try to run # enroll_fingerprint -f (I'm not telling you which finger ;-) I get No devices detected! According to the homepage of libfprint, the AuthenTec devices are not (yet) supported?
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
El Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:32:14 -0700 Tito Mari Francis Escaño titomarifran...@gmail.com escribió: Alright, how about the not so old that I can buy brand new? Buying second hand leaves me at the mercy of the seller, praying it won't break just when the shop or personal warranty expires. Thanks for the advice. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 19:23, Tito Mari Francis Escaño wrote: Good day, I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. I searched online and found only older models. My sisters plan to give me a laptop for Christmas so I'd like to make sure I get the laptop that works with my OS of choice. Well, at the moment, the video situation with Sandy Bridge (2nd gen core 2) processors is less than 100% functional (no xv, other quirks), so that pushes you back to older machines right there. Same story for laptops with the AMD A-? APU series. Hola Tito: I agree with Ted Unangst, older machines have better behaviour with OpenBSD than newer ones. Thinkpads are good machines for OpenBSD. I own a R61 and T410. OpenBSD runs fine in the R61 but in my T410 there is a problem with suspend/resume and USB ports (no power on resume). I think T420 runs well too. All my laptops are second hand (from ebay). I prefer to adquire batteries and memory to update instead of pay a lot of money for a product that will be obsolete in a couple of years. BR
Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
Good day, I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. I searched online and found only older models. My sisters plan to give me a laptop for Christmas so I'd like to make sure I get the laptop that works with my OS of choice. Thank you very much.
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 19:23, Tito Mari Francis Escaño wrote: Good day, I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. I searched online and found only older models. My sisters plan to give me a laptop for Christmas so I'd like to make sure I get the laptop that works with my OS of choice. Well, at the moment, the video situation with Sandy Bridge (2nd gen core 2) processors is less than 100% functional (no xv, other quirks), so that pushes you back to older machines right there. Same story for laptops with the AMD A-? APU series.
Re: Recommended new laptop under US$800 for OpenBSD
Alright, how about the not so old that I can buy brand new? Buying second hand leaves me at the mercy of the seller, praying it won't break just when the shop or personal warranty expires. Thanks for the advice. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 19:23, Tito Mari Francis Escaño wrote: Good day, I'd like to seek your advise what new laptop brand and model should I buy that is fully functional (video, LAN, Wifi, sound) with OpenBSD 5.x. I searched online and found only older models. My sisters plan to give me a laptop for Christmas so I'd like to make sure I get the laptop that works with my OS of choice. Well, at the moment, the video situation with Sandy Bridge (2nd gen core 2) processors is less than 100% functional (no xv, other quirks), so that pushes you back to older machines right there. Same story for laptops with the AMD A-? APU series.
