Re: which netbook not to buy?
Hi all. as i already wrote, thinkpad is x and t series... other one are not worth looking at, Its my own personal opinion without exact technical background. but had opportunities to see many of these after 5-8 years of use. only X and T series looked good if we do not mind scratches and crashes ;) Thinkpad X* T* are quite well supported by most OS'es. But if someone need NEW laptop... and do not have possibility to buy new thinkpad X or T series, I would advice Acer as I have one already for 10 years. Still working. With debian it do not have wifi... :) its cheap looking cheap too and so on... but it works. Also I would check some amd with integrated arm and try making some small desktop with integrated screen in a case... P.S. I choose AMD for desktop as it is cheep and upgradable without upgrading motherboard at the same time... Intel for lessheating... On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 05:47 Richard Thornton secularsolutions...@gmail.com wrote: I am glad that stinkpad argument is settled . How about discussing OpenBSD? I find that codeblocks core dumps every time . Would it dump less on Asus? Cause it dumps a lot on my Lenovo VM. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015, 8:48 PM ÐÑÑÑÑ ÐÑÑомин art.is...@yandex.ru wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01:19PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: You not even refuted my primary point. Your primary point is interjecting threads with contradictory comments for the opportunity to snap at somebody which really irritates all sides. Also you oppose qualified advise many would want to hear with your own suggestion. This may confuse somebody looking for a good laptop to run OpenBSD on. If you have good technical reasoning, bring it to the discussion. By annoying people, your technical bits are missed and you fail to make a valid point. He is right. Thinkpads are crap from time when IBM sold theres to Lenovo. I am long time user of thinkpads. My last model was Thinkpad W520. You say you won't shut up and then you decide to not reply to this anymore, please settle and follow the decision.
Re: which netbook not to buy?
I am glad that stinkpad argument is settled . How about discussing OpenBSD? I find that codeblocks core dumps every time . Would it dump less on Asus? Cause it dumps a lot on my Lenovo VM. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015, 8:48 PM ÐÑÑÑÑ ÐÑÑомин art.is...@yandex.ru wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01:19PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: You not even refuted my primary point. Your primary point is interjecting threads with contradictory comments for the opportunity to snap at somebody which really irritates all sides. Also you oppose qualified advise many would want to hear with your own suggestion. This may confuse somebody looking for a good laptop to run OpenBSD on. If you have good technical reasoning, bring it to the discussion. By annoying people, your technical bits are missed and you fail to make a valid point. He is right. Thinkpads are crap from time when IBM sold theres to Lenovo. I am long time user of thinkpads. My last model was Thinkpad W520. You say you won't shut up and then you decide to not reply to this anymore, please settle and follow the decision.
Acer Aspire V3-112 was Re: which netbook not to buy?
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 02:39:50PM +, Peter J. Philipp wrote: Hi, I'm considering buying a new netbook (currently I have an October 2012 Acer Aspire One). If at all I'd like to stay with Acer but not necessarily. I'm worried about UEFI secure boot on these netbooks. Is there any Acer models that I definitely should not buy? Regards, -peter I ended up buying an Acer Aspire V3-112 from saturn.de. Gladly I found the Insyde BIOS and was able to turn off UEFI into legacy mode. I then proceeded to install OpenBSD 5.7 on the thing. It seems to work nicely and did not let me down. The screen is flickering a little at odd times, in console mode, not sure what to make of it. Dmesg follows after my signature. -peter OpenBSD 5.7 (RAMDISK_CD) #806: Sun Mar 8 11:08:49 MDT 2015 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD RTC BIOS diagnostic error 80clock_battery real mem = 4158390272 (3965MB) avail mem = 4046000128 (3858MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xe6eb0 (22 entries) bios0: vendor Insyde Corp. version V1.10 date 08/20/2014 bios0: Acer Aspire V3-112P acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP UEFI MSDM HPET APIC MCFG SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT UEFI SSDT CSRT SSDT FPDT acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2940 @ 1.83GHz, 1833.68 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,RDRAND,NXE,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,SMEP,ERMS cpu0: 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: apic clock running at 83MHz cpu at mainbus0: not configured cpu at mainbus0: not configured cpu at mainbus0: not configured ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 87 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 1, remapped to apid 2 acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP02) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP03) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP04) pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel Bay Trail Host rev 0x0e vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel Bay Trail Video rev 0x0e vga1: aperture needed wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) sdhc0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x0f16 rev 0x0e: apic 2 int 18 sdmmc0 at sdhc0 ahci0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 Intel Bay Trail AHCI rev 0x0e: msi, AHCI 1.3 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: ATA, ST500LT012-1DG14, 0001 SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.5000c5008074443d sd0: 476940MB, 512 bytes/sector, 976773168 sectors xhci0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 Intel Bay Trail xHCI rev 0x0e: msi usb0 at xhci0: USB revision 3.0 uhub0 at usb0 Intel xHCI root hub rev 3.00/1.00 addr 1 sdhc1 at pci0 dev 23 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x0f50 rev 0x0e: apic 2 int 23 sdhc1: base clock frequency out of range: 8 MHz sdhc1 at 0x10: can't initialize host Intel Bay Trail TXE rev 0x0e at pci0 dev 26 function 0 not configured Intel Bay Trail HD Audio rev 0x0e at pci0 dev 27 function 0 not configured ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel Bay Trail PCIE rev 0x0e: msi pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel Bay Trail PCIE rev 0x0e: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 Atheros AR9565 rev 0x01 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 not configured ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 Intel Bay Trail PCIE rev 0x0e: msi pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 re0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Realtek 8168 rev 0x0c: RTL8168G/8111G (0x4c00), msi, address 2c:60:0c:69:03:5f rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8251 PHY, rev. 0 ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x0f34 rev 0x0e: apic 2 int 23 ehci0: timed out waiting for BIOS usb1 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 Intel EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 Intel Bay Trail LPC rev 0x0e at pci0 dev 31 function 0 not configured Intel Bay Trail SMBus rev 0x0e at pci0 dev 31 function 3 not configured isa0 at mainbus0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 uhub2 at uhub1 port 1 vendor 0x8087 product 0x07e6 rev 2.00/0.14 addr 2 uhub3 at uhub2 port 2 vendor 0x05e3 USB2.0 Hub rev 2.00/85.37 addr 3 vendor 0x0489 product 0xe078 rev 1.10/0.01 addr 4 at uhub3 port 1 not configured umass0 at uhub3 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 Sony DRX-820UL rev 2.00/4.63 addr 5 umass0: using ATAPI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 cd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: SONY, DVD RW DRU-820A, 2.0c ATAPI 5/cdrom removable serial.054c02910UL_MP005EBA uhidev0 at uhub2 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 ELAN Touchscreen rev 2.00/10.11 addr 6 uhidev0: iclass 3/0, 68 report ids uhid at uhidev0 reportid 1 not configured uhid at uhidev0 reportid 2 not configured uhid at
Re: which netbook not to buy?
From my experience, Of how many years and portable systems? thinkpads have poor hardware quality. You must have been buying the cheap models which are.. well cheap regardless of maker and assembly process. Are you having electrical engineering degree or are speaking for the sake of contradicting somebody? If you already disassembled it, you know what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're talking about, elaborate or don't give your advice without backing / fact check paths. Why not suggest a Athlon-64, instead of a intel, with tons of microcode messing everything? Because of less optimised power usage and performance, right? And because it's not very popular in Thinkpads :-) The Acer Aspire AS5532-5535 seems good. You got screwed and want to spread it even with others? Get out of here. Exactly Acer Asus suck the most in all product lines. These are favourite only amongst enthusiasts without budget for the actual desktop replacement class, and mostly run Windows and at most Linux, before they start crashing with age. The most important bits: display and keyboards are terrible on the said multimedia oriented crapware, and the build quality is beyond laughable even on higher priced product lines. Like recycled plastic on the connectors that fall off with regular usage etc. Modern laptops are completely gone the trash bin, with estimated life time of 1-2 years. This is from somebody who owned a new crapbook and regrets it (although the piece still works mostly because of self replaced components before warranty expired) - buy Thinkpads on the cheap and enjoy the BIOS and overall popularity amongst other OpenBSD users (for reasons). Advice comes better from developers, rather than opposing for no reason dummies.
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On 07/15/15 18:28, li...@wrant.com wrote: I'm considering buying a new netbook... So you asked what not to buy. You got some good and solid advice from knowledgeable people here regarding what works great including OpenBSD coverage. I'm really happy with my old netbook though. Guess what everything worked on it except wifi. So I put trust into the same brand, and it has bitten me. X won't work, the intel drm driver doesn't work. I hacked a little in the kernel to see if a simple fix would fix it, it didn't. However the bright news is that I bought this netbook for a purpose of a personal project. Those features that I needed work. So I'm somewhat disappointed but it's not the end of the world. BTW by the time someone said don't buy brand I already bought it. It came shipped to me here this morning. I did not chose to get a Lenovo because I felt they were pricy over the 350 euros that I paid. Maybe my own fault then, but I wanted to be adventurous. Cheers, -peter
Re: Acer Aspire V3-112 was Re: which netbook not to buy?
I'm really happy with my old netbook though. Guess what everything worked on it except wifi. So I put trust into the same brand, and it has bitten me. X won't work, the intel drm driver doesn't work. I got more luck since I checked the technical specs before purchase. Everything worked on my netbook bar the wired network which get a driver soon after. Even the card reader, can you imagine. The recommendation is to upgrade RAM to the size that the thing can hold. Not being able to run X though is quite lacking in a device that is all screen and wobbly keys, this is a major problem. Which shows to find that on the low end of the market there is no such thing as consistency between products of the same brand, but only hardware matters. You may even be surprised how different specs may be within the life cycle of the same model. Sticking to a brand is not wise. To prepare for this one checks fully the specification of the hardware as actual devices rather than shopping leaflet / marketing material. The important part is that you get a dmesg in the shop from a flash thumb-drive or ask somebody who has the same model for it. This may trick you with revisions or sub-specification variety. So I'm somewhat disappointed but it's not the end of the world. In case of disappointment, one can return it or do a quick re-sale, if the advice was missed beforehand. BTW by the time someone said don't buy brand I already bought it. It came shipped to me here this morning. Yeah, I still regret not getting a refurbished / pre-owned Thinkpad, mostly for the CPU, screen pixels and keyboard.
Re: which netbook not to buy?
Can you take your fight elsewhere?
Re: Acer Aspire V3-112 was Re: which netbook not to buy?
FWIW, about 5 years ago, my wife bought me a Toshiba NB305 that came with Windows 7 Starter, which I tried to use. I'm okay with Windows when I need to use it, but Starter edition might as well be a Windows kernel with IE and almost no customization available. I do need Windows to program my ham radios, and at the time, I needed a proprietary Windows-only VPN client for work. Worried about hardware support, I tossed Ubuntu on it. It was usable, but none of the hot keys (volume, brightness, wifi toggle etc) worked, neither did the webcam. It was also more sluggish than Win7 Starter. After a month or so of that, I used the factory restore image, resized the Windows partition, then followed the excellent instructions for multi-booting Windows and OpenBSD 4.8 through the Microsoft bootloader and bcdedit. I've used OpenBSD as my primary OS on that machine ever since and despite its age, it still feels light and nimble with daily use. I have a bunch of other Toshiba laptops (most newer), and it feels like I got *REALLY* lucky with this NB305, because on all the other Toshibas, OpenBSD has something that doesn't quite work right, often picky azalia (sound) or wifi. This is why you do the research before you spend the cash instead of just assuming a brand itself is golden. At any rate, I am exceedingly thankful that several devs and users have come forward with suggestions on what *TO* buy and what else works well with OpenBSD. I am absolutely listening. This little Toshiba isn't going to last forever, and I prefer ultrabook/netbook form-factor because I'm frequently on-the-go, and don't require tons of computrons for the SSH, email and basic web browsing I do on a daily basis. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote: On 07/15/15 18:28, li...@wrant.com wrote: I'm considering buying a new netbook... So you asked what not to buy. You got some good and solid advice from knowledgeable people here regarding what works great including OpenBSD coverage. I'm really happy with my old netbook though. Guess what everything worked on it except wifi. So I put trust into the same brand, and it has bitten me. X won't work, the intel drm driver doesn't work. I hacked a little in the kernel to see if a simple fix would fix it, it didn't. However the bright news is that I bought this netbook for a purpose of a personal project. Those features that I needed work. So I'm somewhat disappointed but it's not the end of the world. BTW by the time someone said don't buy brand I already bought it. It came shipped to me here this morning. I did not chose to get a Lenovo because I felt they were pricy over the 350 euros that I paid. Maybe my own fault then, but I wanted to be adventurous. Cheers, -peter
Re: which netbook not to buy?
You not even refuted my primary point. Your primary point is interjecting threads with contradictory comments for the opportunity to snap at somebody which really irritates all sides. Also you oppose qualified advise many would want to hear with your own suggestion. This may confuse somebody looking for a good laptop to run OpenBSD on. If you have good technical reasoning, bring it to the discussion. By annoying people, your technical bits are missed and you fail to make a valid point. You say you won't shut up and then you decide to not reply to this anymore, please settle and follow the decision.
Re: which netbook not to buy?
Yes, you need engineering degree, and you need to spend some time in a PCB factory, and common sense. And you need to read service manuals for hardware that you know before you buy it and start whining around or annoy everyone with your dissatisfaction towards something. So, ok, I need to design my own ISA and microarchitecture before comment that some hardware is shit, when we have clearly proofs that x86 is shit, like the faults in 0ring at BlackHat 2015 or all the microcode bullshit without any formal specification? Which model is this, yours or some hypothetical bad thing? All the models I own. You speak out of ignorance again. If you want to evade microcode, start with your storage device and stop making fuss out of issues that you can't fix or even understand enough. What's your point here? You not even refuted my primary point. I'm not saying the microcode can be used to evade, but it can mess with your shit and you'll just don't know what's going on there. Who said that, your text reader? You could read the manual pages for the drivers or directly look in the code. Let me quote from your first mail: [...] and overall popularity amongst other OpenBSD users (for reasons). Advice comes better from developers, rather than opposing for no reason dummies. Enough? So shut up with your Acer crapware ads. No, I'll not. I have freedom of expression and this is not a ads of Acer or any specific company [aren't you doing the ad for Lenovo?]. The Acer hardware is shit too, just like thinkpads. I suggested the Acer one because it have a old AMD process, with less microcode, it's better supported by amd64 port, and the Acer use north/south-bridge from VIA, a company that [almost] always help when schematics or specifications is requested by community. The point is the hypocrisy of you guys, suggesting a hardware from a company that never cooperate with you. Them you go to lyrics, write bad things about them, and then buy the hardware again. And you are not the only one, in another discussion some developers supported hardware from intel instead of a open hardware[1]. Also, are you trying to immitate deraadt, lists@wrant? What is this, some kind of automated software for hate speech? I know you guys use this kind of intimidation to keep the astroturfing out of the openbsd project, this is quite obvious, but don't be this idiot all the time, people don't deserve to read your bullshit everytime time. I'll not reply to this thread anymore. People in this list don't deserve this high traffic of shitpost from both of us. [1] https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=132788027403910w=2
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On 2015-07-14, L.R. D.S. arrowscr...@mail.com wrote: Why not suggest a Athlon-64, instead of a intel, with tons of microcode messing everything? Err what...?
Re: which netbook not to buy?
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01:19PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: You not even refuted my primary point. Your primary point is interjecting threads with contradictory comments for the opportunity to snap at somebody which really irritates all sides. Also you oppose qualified advise many would want to hear with your own suggestion. This may confuse somebody looking for a good laptop to run OpenBSD on. If you have good technical reasoning, bring it to the discussion. By annoying people, your technical bits are missed and you fail to make a valid point. He is right. Thinkpads are crap from time when IBM sold theres to Lenovo. I am long time user of thinkpads. My last model was Thinkpad W520. You say you won't shut up and then you decide to not reply to this anymore, please settle and follow the decision.
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Why are you advocating for this company, dude? You are again looking to contradict somebody, but that's pointless. I don't need a egineering degree to know when a hardware is shit. Yes, you need engineering degree, and you need to spend some time in a PCB factory, and common sense. And you need to read service manuals for hardware that you know before you buy it and start whining around or annoy everyone with your dissatisfaction towards something. The motherboard is so thin that you can fold it. The eletric components bad soldered. You buy useless hardware (at least for many of us), like microphone, speaker, firewire, etc. Which model is this, yours or some hypothetical bad thing? Because of less optimised power usage and performance, right? And because it's not very popular in Thinkpads :-) No, because microcode actively change the way your code is processed: http://io.smashthestack.org/me/ You speak out of ignorance again. If you want to evade microcode, start with your storage device and stop making fuss out of issues that you can't fix or even understand enough. So, your argument is I'm a developer, listen to me, I hold the truth? Who said that, your text reader? You could read the manual pages for the drivers or directly look in the code. Please, I'll not start yet another name-calling in this list. So shut up with your Acer crapware ads.
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Are you having electrical engineering degree or are speaking for the sake of contradicting somebody? Why are you advocating for this company, dude? We all know that this company never cooperate with open source projects, and now you came here and to defend them? This is even in Wizard of OS lyrics, what kind of hypocrisy is this? I don't need a egineering degree to know when a hardware is shit. The motherboard is so thin that you can fold it. The eletric components bad soldered. You buy useless hardware (at least for many of us), like microphone, speaker, firewire, etc. Because of less optimised power usage and performance, right? And because it's not very popular in Thinkpads :-) No, because microcode actively change the way your code is processed: http://io.smashthestack.org/me/ - buy Thinkpads on the cheap and enjoy the BIOS and overall popularity amongst other OpenBSD users (for reasons). Advice comes better from developers, rather than opposing for no reason dummies. So, your argument is I'm a developer, listen to me, I hold the truth? Please, I'll not start yet another name-calling in this list.
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I'm considering buying a new netbook... So you asked what not to buy. You got some good and solid advice from knowledgeable people here regarding what works great including OpenBSD coverage. Then you informed us all you disregarded that completely for your own choice and this more and more looks like an advertisement campaign for your pre-selected brand. This may play a bad trick on other readers in the future. So the correct and reliable solution for novice users looking for a laptop to run their favourite or future beloved OpenBSD, is to follow the advice of the developers. At least you want to get the same joy they got when using OpenBSD on their equipment. I wish this was made popular recommendation when I was shopping for a netbook so I would chase this further instead of picking the available low end systems. Sadly here they were not selling those locally and I ended up buying a netbook that is not that joyful to use. Honestly, I did not care the least about your personal choice. I much appreciate the valuable information coming from the OpenBSD devs and definitely going to help myself with the Thinkpad better series in the future. Until your selected advertisers start making real hardware that does not look like plastic toys but computers again. Ironically the thread was not named what to buy. Please don't try to make other people in the future follow bad marketing advice.
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From my experience, thinkpads have poor hardware quality. If you already disassembled it, you know what I'm talking about. Why not suggest a Athlon-64, instead of a intel, with tons of microcode messing everything? The Acer Aspire AS5532-5535 seems good.
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On 2015-07-12 04:08 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. The x201 works great. I used one for about 3 years, and the beatings continued until everything worked perfectly. Mark Kettenis applied the same pressure to the x220. And Mike Larkin to the x230. But the general rule is that the upper-class Thinkpads work the best, first of all because their BIOS are written by Team-A at Lenovo, secondly because we fixed things for ourselves. One notable exception: none of the pre-x220 touchscreens work, they use the old Wacom serial protocol that lacks a working driver in modern OpenBSD. And of course there's the various power/heat/battery issues that are gradually getting fixed. But overall, my x201t works great under OpenBSD. If you want small + light, don't get the tablet model, and IMHO get at least the x220 or newer. Of course, none of us are actually answering your original question :-/. -- -Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net
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And yes. Just checked my laptop. X201s I was VERY surprised ;) by the way it was with docking... but without hdd cover... and without keys for docking... but overall it is nice! On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:11 Mike Larkin mlar...@azathoth.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:02:31PM +, Ruslanas G??ibovskis wrote: I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. Assuming you meant Thinkpad x201s (eg a model ending in s and not multiple x201 thinkpads) ... If you can find x201s Thinkpads for 100USD, I would recommend buying as many as you can. They are extremely rare and almost never come up for auction intact. You can find lots of parts / pieces for them but almost never a complete unit. And when you do, they are almost certainly not going to be 100USD. Looking at ebay right now shows plenty of spare parts but no complete units. And that's usually the case with that model. Now, plain x201 (without the 's') and x200s are entirely a different story and can usually be found quite cheaply. -ml On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:41 Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote: Hi, I'm considering buying a new netbook (currently I have an October 2012 Acer Aspire One). If at all I'd like to stay with Acer but not necessarily. I'm worried about UEFI secure boot on these netbooks. Is there any Acer models that I definitely should not buy? Regards, -peter
Re: which netbook not to buy?
I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:41 Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote: Hi, I'm considering buying a new netbook (currently I have an October 2012 Acer Aspire One). If at all I'd like to stay with Acer but not necessarily. I'm worried about UEFI secure boot on these netbooks. Is there any Acer models that I definitely should not buy? Regards, -peter
Re: which netbook not to buy?
I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. The x201 works great. I used one for about 3 years, and the beatings continued until everything worked perfectly. Mark Kettenis applied the same pressure to the x220. And Mike Larkin to the x230. But the general rule is that the upper-class Thinkpads work the best, first of all because their BIOS are written by Team-A at Lenovo, secondly because we fixed things for ourselves.
Re: which netbook not to buy?
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:02:31PM +, Ruslanas G??ibovskis wrote: I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. Assuming you meant Thinkpad x201s (eg a model ending in s and not multiple x201 thinkpads) ... If you can find x201s Thinkpads for 100USD, I would recommend buying as many as you can. They are extremely rare and almost never come up for auction intact. You can find lots of parts / pieces for them but almost never a complete unit. And when you do, they are almost certainly not going to be 100USD. Looking at ebay right now shows plenty of spare parts but no complete units. And that's usually the case with that model. Now, plain x201 (without the 's') and x200s are entirely a different story and can usually be found quite cheaply. -ml On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:41 Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote: Hi, I'm considering buying a new netbook (currently I have an October 2012 Acer Aspire One). If at all I'd like to stay with Acer but not necessarily. I'm worried about UEFI secure boot on these netbooks. Is there any Acer models that I definitely should not buy? Regards, -peter
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X220+ have some ports from back and/or front. And x201s is last which do not have such... and have ddr3... support 8gb... thinkwiki.org ;) On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:08 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. The x201 works great. I used one for about 3 years, and the beatings continued until everything worked perfectly. Mark Kettenis applied the same pressure to the x220. And Mike Larkin to the x230. But the general rule is that the upper-class Thinkpads work the best, first of all because their BIOS are written by Team-A at Lenovo, secondly because we fixed things for ourselves.
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I am using an X220 and it is working wonderfully. Great battery life. Solid performance compiling large projects like Open JDK. I upgraded the display to IPS for less than $100 in parts on eBay and about ten minutes with a screwdriver. Thanks, Bryan On Jul 12, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I would suggest x201s for Many reasons. You can find it without hdd on ebay for 100usd... + ssd any... but I am not sure about openbsd... with debian it just works. The x201 works great. I used one for about 3 years, and the beatings continued until everything worked perfectly. Mark Kettenis applied the same pressure to the x220. And Mike Larkin to the x230. But the general rule is that the upper-class Thinkpads work the best, first of all because their BIOS are written by Team-A at Lenovo, secondly because we fixed things for ourselves.
which netbook not to buy?
Hi, I'm considering buying a new netbook (currently I have an October 2012 Acer Aspire One). If at all I'd like to stay with Acer but not necessarily. I'm worried about UEFI secure boot on these netbooks. Is there any Acer models that I definitely should not buy? Regards, -peter
