Re: FAQ gone?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:35:21PM +0100, Gilles Chehade wrote: > > The FAQ has been removed from the website twice for the same reason, and > if you work on it but it then goes unmaintained and people start mailing > me that I should fix the FAQ, I'll have to remove it again a third time. > > I'm all for having an FAQ but it must come from people willing to become > maintainers and not release a version of it and leave. Yes, I was very disappointed when the previous FAQ didn't have accurate information. I would much rather see you working on OpenSMTPD itself rather than a FAQ, which is a lot of work just to make, much less maintain. I have found various FAQ's all over the place that just don't have accurate information and throw in anti-spam programs I just don't want to use. Of course, not enough information to understand how to skip one of those unwanted ones. So I have essentially found all of them basically useless, which is sad but true. I'm in a bit of a conundrum. I'm trying to pull together a bunch of things besides just email all at once. I grabbed a baremetal at Vultr in addition to the one I am actually using elsewhere. I'm trying to get everything running as I need it to at Vultr before moving everything onto it officially. Having two baremetals gives me a great way to bounce things back and forth until everything is really truly working correctly. But I have lots of questions about things I have never done before. I'm very puzzled by how to correctly set up DKIM and DMARC. Which programs should I be using and why? I looked at opendkim and the manual pages are so long and convoluted with so many options that it leaves me throwing up my hands in frustration. I know that once I understand all of it, it will probably be completely clear, but not yet. So which program(s) for DKIM to use? Is this something for example that would be reasonable to add as a port like opensmtpd-dkim? I'm perfectly happy to use postgresql with OpenSMTPD and Dovecot. I have yet to find any example SQL tables anywhere for either. This would work great for me to integrate certain customers with in a larger database set up. Maildir, mbox, dovecot's own mailboxes. I seem to find arguments for and against each choice. Right now I can make a choice, but which one? I also have found a probable need to use auth to allow only special users to relay mail. Right now, I have two servers. IP addresses which can get burned if I screw up and two domains that can also get burned since I'm not using them. I'm 100% willing to run through all kinds of different configurations and I have lot's of questions that would probably be great ones for a FAQ. So I volunteer for guinea pig. I'll try it all for the FAQ. BUT, if there is a FAQ, it's going to need to be set up with tests to see when previous advice fails. Otherwise, I just don't see anyone even knowing when and what to fix. "Oh, that didn't work. I'll do this other way instead." isn't going to get anything maintained. I'm happy (and needful) to try all the different ways. I can't commit to writing the FAQ myself. So, if I see this correctly, someone needs to grab two or three servers every six months, run though all the options, see what fails and report back, drop the servers? I'll help, Chris Bennett -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
Re: FAQ gone?
I feel the manual pages are really enough. However, somesort of wiki that the userbase could keep updated without intervention may work out. Edgar -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
Re: FAQ gone?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 03:56:35PM -0500, Matt Schwartz wrote: > Gilles, > > I've got some time on my hands for the next few weeks. I could work on it > if you'd like. > Again it's not a matter of working on it but commiting to maintain it on the long run. The FAQ has been removed from the website twice for the same reason, and if you work on it but it then goes unmaintained and people start mailing me that I should fix the FAQ, I'll have to remove it again a third time. I'm all for having an FAQ but it must come from people willing to become maintainers and not release a version of it and leave. -- Gilles Chehade @poolpOrg https://www.poolp.org tip me: https://paypal.me/poolpOrg -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
Re: FAQ gone?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 03:56:35PM -0500, Matt Schwartz wrote: >Gilles, >I've got some time on my hands for the next few weeks. I could work on >it if you'd like. As Gilles mentioned, it's not a matter of the next few weeks, but needs to be a committment to maintain it actively for an extended period (off-hand I'd say you should be willing to commit for at least a year(?) to maintain the thing and keep it in sync with the constantly-eveolving grammar, updating examples, etc). Not trying to discourage you, but trying to prevent discouragement down the road as the inevitable battle fatigues sets in. -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
Re: FAQ gone?
Gilles, I've got some time on my hands for the next few weeks. I could work on it if you'd like. Matt On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 3:44 PM Gilles Chehade On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 06:39:59PM +, mabi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering where did the FAQ section on the opensmtpd.org website > disappear? > > > > It had useful setup examples with LMTP and Dovecot if I remember > correctly... > > > > The FAQ was inaccurate and no one step and committed to maintain it. > > This resulted in people mailing me in private all the time to ask why an > example from the FAQ was not working for them. > > Not opposed to having a FAQ but I can't be the one maintaining it and it > needs to be _actively_ maintained up-to-date, not just created once then > forgotten, otherwise this means additional work for me. > > -- > Gilles Chehade @poolpOrg > > https://www.poolp.org tip me: https://paypal.me/poolpOrg > > -- > You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org > To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org > >
Re: FAQ gone?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 06:39:59PM +, mabi wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering where did the FAQ section on the opensmtpd.org website > disappear? > > It had useful setup examples with LMTP and Dovecot if I remember correctly... > The FAQ was inaccurate and no one step and committed to maintain it. This resulted in people mailing me in private all the time to ask why an example from the FAQ was not working for them. Not opposed to having a FAQ but I can't be the one maintaining it and it needs to be _actively_ maintained up-to-date, not just created once then forgotten, otherwise this means additional work for me. -- Gilles Chehade @poolpOrg https://www.poolp.org tip me: https://paypal.me/poolpOrg -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
Re: FAQ gone?
I see, that makes sense... ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 7:42 PM, Matt Schwartz wrote: > I think the FAQ section is probably in the process of being reworked > due to the recent grammar and functionality changes in OpenSMTPD 6.4. > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:40 PM mabi m...@protonmail.ch wrote: > > > Hi, > > I was wondering where did the FAQ section on the opensmtpd.org website > > disappear? > > It had useful setup examples with LMTP and Dovecot if I remember > > correctly... > > Regards, > > Mabi > > -- > > You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org > > -- > > You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org > To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
FAQ gone?
Hi, I was wondering where did the FAQ section on the opensmtpd.org website disappear? It had useful setup examples with LMTP and Dovecot if I remember correctly... Regards, Mabi -- You received this mail because you are subscribed to misc@opensmtpd.org To unsubscribe, send a mail to: misc+unsubscr...@opensmtpd.org
