[Mobile.AI] regarding talks registration

2013-04-19 Thread Harish Kapoor
thank you for provide me this sight. although, he has got the
registration number for 30 days. but still problem remain. when he try
to register and press the ok button. it says invalid serial number.
then what's the solution?

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Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread Aaruni Sharma
Hi very nicely summarised dilemma of choosing between nokia and
android. I would like to add here that blackberry is also working on
its screen reader and has also brought out an update. although the
models supported are few in numbers, it may offer the convenience of a
qwerty phone with very nice build quality. There is little doubt about
the sturdiness and stability of blackberry devices and if they
continue to improve upon their screen readers, it could be a very nice
option for the VI. But obviously someone will have to take the plunge
and experiment with the blackberry model. I have come to know that
even reliance CDMA has such an option called the blackberry curve
9350. So we may finally have an accessible CDMA phone in india. One
thing worth noting is that the blackberry screen reader is also free
although it has to be installed manually first.

On 19/04/2013, S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Mobile.accessindia
 [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of prateek
 aggarwal
 Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:01 PM
 To: mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I've been able to
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android based
 phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too costly
 than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I'd like to
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually
 quite subjective to the choice and circumstances of every
 individual.
 say, for instance, those who do not have much time/interest  to
 explore and just require  a solution that's  tried and tested,
 some phones of nokia are still available in the stock  unofficially,
 that they can buy and start using right away.
 it, however is the reality that symbian is no more available and
 no further such phones are being manufactured by the company
 anymore. therefore, android is the best option keeping the
 availability, cost and accessibility in mind. about android
 version, both 4.0 and 4.1 are accessible, none of them is 100%
 accessible though.
 well you have to accept the fact that android is comparitively new
 and while i personally appreciate google's efforts of implementing
 out of the box accessibility features, it'll obviously take time  to
 jell with the expectations of the visually challenged  individuals who
 as well have diverse needs/requirements depending  on their
 environments and demographics.

 so, if you choose to buy the android phone, keep the following  things in
 mind:

 .whatever someone might claim, no android phone is 100 percent
 accessible as of now, though the statement depends on what tasks  you
 would like to perform with your phone, as a lot of them shall  be
 accessible and a lot of them won't be.

 .android requires the user to have quite a learning curve and the
 patience as one might need to install, try and test with a number  of
 third party apps in order to get some tasks done. so if you are  not
 interested/motivated for the same, reconsider your decision.

 .most of the android based phones that you'll find in the market are
 touchscreen based.   while  the android certainly has  accessibility
 features to enable users to use touch screen with
 screenreaders/magnification applications,   i can tell you out of my
 personal experiences that the best speed and comfort that you can find
 is to have the phone that has both touch and type available, although
 i'm fortunate to be able to use 100 percent touchscreen phones as well
 with quite a reasonable speed.

 .the tasks like messaging, contacts, phone, music, camera etc are over
 90 percent accessible in my experience.
 .Log is slightly inaccessible in comparision to nokia phone, but still
 manageable.
 .GPS works fairly good, and the support of google maps is excellent.
 .fm radio is slightly inaccessible,  internet radios are manageable
 with the help of third party apps.
 .There are apps available for emailing, facebook, twitter, skype, call
 recording, dictionary, daisy book reading and other such basic tasks,
 which are reasonaablly accessible.
 .reading word, excel and pdf document is not much accessible as yet.
 .there are apps for colour identification, face 

Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread ishita kapoor
you are right sir this was the best axplaination i have ever read on
any mailing list.
Black berry can be proved the best option if its accessible.

On 4/19/13, mujeeb rahman. mujeeb.vakka...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friend,

 This was one of the most important mails which I have ever read
 regarding accesibility. Though some of the list members tried to solve
 the issues, none of them gave such a nice explanation! Eventhough you
 said it precisely, as others, I too request you to be specific in
 suggesting a wonderful model which can be updated in the future.

 Thanks for your time and look forward for your positive response.

 Kindest Regards,

 Mujeeb Rahman

 On 4/19/13, S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Mobile.accessindia
 [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
 prateek
 aggarwal
 Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:01 PM
 To: mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I've been able to
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android based
 phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too costly
 than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I'd like to
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually
 quite subjective to the choice and circumstances of every
 individual.
 say, for instance, those who do not have much time/interest  to
 explore and just require  a solution that's  tried and tested,
 some phones of nokia are still available in the stock  unofficially,
 that they can buy and start using right away.
 it, however is the reality that symbian is no more available and
 no further such phones are being manufactured by the company
 anymore. therefore, android is the best option keeping the
 availability, cost and accessibility in mind. about android
 version, both 4.0 and 4.1 are accessible, none of them is 100%
 accessible though.
 well you have to accept the fact that android is comparitively new
 and while i personally appreciate google's efforts of implementing
 out of the box accessibility features, it'll obviously take time  to
 jell with the expectations of the visually challenged  individuals who
 as well have diverse needs/requirements depending  on their
 environments and demographics.

 so, if you choose to buy the android phone, keep the following  things in
 mind:

 .whatever someone might claim, no android phone is 100 percent
 accessible as of now, though the statement depends on what tasks  you
 would like to perform with your phone, as a lot of them shall  be
 accessible and a lot of them won't be.

 .android requires the user to have quite a learning curve and the
 patience as one might need to install, try and test with a number  of
 third party apps in order to get some tasks done. so if you are  not
 interested/motivated for the same, reconsider your decision.

 .most of the android based phones that you'll find in the market are
 touchscreen based.   while  the android certainly has  accessibility
 features to enable users to use touch screen with
 screenreaders/magnification applications,   i can tell you out of my
 personal experiences that the best speed and comfort that you can find
 is to have the phone that has both touch and type available, although
 i'm fortunate to be able to use 100 percent touchscreen phones as well
 with quite a reasonable speed.

 .the tasks like messaging, contacts, phone, music, camera etc are over
 90 percent accessible in my experience.
 .Log is slightly inaccessible in comparision to nokia phone, but still
 manageable.
 .GPS works fairly good, and the support of google maps is excellent.
 .fm radio is slightly inaccessible,  internet radios are manageable
 with the help of third party apps.
 .There are apps available for emailing, facebook, twitter, skype, call
 recording, dictionary, daisy book reading and other such basic tasks,
 which are reasonaablly accessible.
 .reading word, excel and pdf document is not much accessible as yet.
 .there are apps for colour identification, face recognition, OCR etc
 which though are not perfectly developed as yet, but certainly looks
 promising.

 .the versions of android shall keep improving, and they really have
 to. however, the accessibility 

Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread Aaruni Sharma
Hi, unfortunately jury can't be out on any definitive answer. But from
my personal experience, I can say that I have found the qwerty phone
to be the best in terms of speed and access. There are few people who
used the traditional numeric keyboard and could never be comfortable
with a qwerty. But for me the switch was a breeze and I could enter
text much faster. touch screen can never match the speeds we can
achieve with the physical qwerty keyboard if there is not any
revolutionary change from the current accessibility and text entry. I
would put my bet on an android with a physical keyboard.
As far as your first question is concerned, obviously in the beginning
you have to spend a lot of time on the device. Secondly, the phones
manufactured by the Indian companies are not a match to samsung phones
in terms of touch screen sensetivity. I was very happy with my Karbon
in the beginning but with the passage of time, I have noticed a lag in
touch sensetivity and also other problems like non-responsiveness of
the keypad lock are cropping up. On ther other hand my old samsung is
still working like a charm after 2 and half years of rigorous use. the
touch wiz UI of samsung does hamper accessibility partly but it is
still worth considering.
another observation I would like to make about certain models of
samsung like the Grand Duos. I tried two handsets but accessibiity
could not start despite repeated attempts. So you need to check at the
counter itself whether a phone would be worth buying.
This goes with any phone. Because of the open nature of android,
Handsets from different manufacturers do not behave similarly.

On 19/04/2013, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote:
 what does mean by extra time sir?
 Is it for initial period or we have to spare extra time always?
 You are right we dont have many touch and type devices in android.
 I just wanted to know is it possible to work with only touch phone
 after lots of practice?
 If yes then do we have any accessible and tested budget phone?
   have found few android phones which cost not more then 1. But
 the problem is i am not enough briliant to test accessibility. So i
 along with few friends have requested list members to try and test
 some devices on behalf of us.

 On 4/19/13, Aaruni Sharma aruni...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think the choice is quite simple. if you just want a phone with
 accessibility of calls, sms and contacts, you may either go for nokia
 which is unfortunately a dying breed, or better still you may go for
 blackberry which is very much alive and in the race. but if you are
 willing to experiment and be patient and can give some extra time for
 your mobile device, android is the right choice. if you can have a
 touch and type phone with good specs, you will have the best of both
 worlds. no doubt that android and apple have the maximum number of
 apps which are accessible. But unfortunately qwerrty phones are not
 very readily available in india and the one that is available is
 samsung chat 5330 which doesn't have great specs but may just be
 enough to buy at a affordable price.

 On 19/04/2013, mujeeb rahman. mujeeb.vakka...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Friend,

 This was one of the most important mails which I have ever read
 regarding accesibility. Though some of the list members tried to solve
 the issues, none of them gave such a nice explanation! Eventhough you
 said it precisely, as others, I too request you to be specific in
 suggesting a wonderful model which can be updated in the future.

 Thanks for your time and look forward for your positive response.

 Kindest Regards,

 Mujeeb Rahman

 On 4/19/13, S R Mittal srmit...@gmail.com wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Mobile.accessindia
 [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
 prateek
 aggarwal
 Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:01 PM
 To: mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I've been able to
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android based
 phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too costly
 than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I'd like to
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually
 quite subjective to the choice and 

Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread DINESH THOLE
Hey Prateek,

What a fantastic explanation!
Thank You.

With Regards.


Dinesh Thole.

On 4/19/13, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I’ve been able to
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android based
 phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too costly
 than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I’d like to
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually
 quite subjective to the choice and circumstances of every
 individual.
 say, for instance, those who do not have much time/interest  to
 explore and just require  a solution that's  tried and tested,
 some phones of nokia are still available in the stock  unofficially,
 that they can buy and start using right away.
 it, however is the reality that symbian is no more available and
 no further such phones are being manufactured by the company
 anymore. therefore, android is the best option keeping the
 availability, cost and accessibility in mind. about android
 version, both 4.0 and 4.1 are accessible, none of them is 100%
 accessible though.
 well you have to accept the fact that android is comparitively new
 and while i personally appreciate google's efforts of implementing
 out of the box accessibility features, it'll obviously take time  to
 jell with the expectations of the visually challenged  individuals who
 as well have diverse needs/requirements depending  on their
 environments and demographics.

 so, if you choose to buy the android phone, keep the following  things in
 mind:

 •whatever someone might claim, no android phone is 100 percent
 accessible as of now, though the statement depends on what tasks  you
 would like to perform with your phone, as a lot of them shall  be
 accessible and a lot of them won't be.

 •android requires the user to have quite a learning curve and the
 patience as one might need to install, try and test with a number  of
 third party apps in order to get some tasks done. so if you are  not
 interested/motivated for the same, reconsider your decision.

 •most of the android based phones that you'll find in the market are
 touchscreen based.   while  the android certainly has  accessibility
 features to enable users to use touch screen with
 screenreaders/magnification applications,   i can tell you out of my
 personal experiences that the best speed and comfort that you can find
 is to have the phone that has both touch and type available, although
 i'm fortunate to be able to use 100 percent touchscreen phones as well
 with quite a reasonable speed.

 •the tasks like messaging, contacts, phone, music, camera etc are over
 90 percent accessible in my experience.
 •Log is slightly inaccessible in comparision to nokia phone, but still
 manageable.
 •GPS works fairly good, and the support of google maps is excellent.
 •fm radio is slightly inaccessible,  internet radios are manageable
 with the help of third party apps.
 •There are apps available for emailing, facebook, twitter, skype, call
 recording, dictionary, daisy book reading and other such basic tasks,
 which are reasonaablly accessible.
 •reading word, excel and pdf document is not much accessible as yet.
 •there are apps for colour identification, face recognition, OCR etc
 which though are not perfectly developed as yet, but certainly looks
 promising.

 •the versions of android shall keep improving, and they really have
 to. however, the accessibility available in android 4.0 and 4.1 is
 quite reasonable, and either of them can be chosen with no hezitations
 as such. even the 4.0, for instance provides you quite a number of
 options to use the phone accessiblly, and 4.1. only adds the icing on
 the cake. personally, i did not find much of a difference in 4.1 and
 4.2 though.

 •considering the fact that android does have the in-built
 accessibility  options available, most of the phones that you buy from
 the market should be usable without much of a configguration. though,
 i personally found out that some phones of HTC and LG were using a
 broken accessibility architecture, and did have issues that are not
 found in many of the companion phones.

 •rs. 10 to 12  thousand is quite a reasonable amount to obtain a good
 android phone. fortunately, you've got plenty of options and brands

Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread Mahesh S. Panicker
Does the latest Android run on Samsung Chat? As I understand, it has a
physical qwerty keypad, and hence if it could run the latest version
of Android, we could have the best Android accessibility features, and
the keypad would take away a lot of our troubles with entering rather
than only consuming content.
Regards,

On 4/19/13, DINESH THOLE dineshth...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Prateek,

 What a fantastic explanation!
 Thank You.

 With Regards.


 Dinesh Thole.

 On 4/19/13, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I’ve been able to
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android based
 phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too costly
 than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I’d like to
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually
 quite subjective to the choice and circumstances of every
 individual.
 say, for instance, those who do not have much time/interest  to
 explore and just require  a solution that's  tried and tested,
 some phones of nokia are still available in the stock  unofficially,
 that they can buy and start using right away.
 it, however is the reality that symbian is no more available and
 no further such phones are being manufactured by the company
 anymore. therefore, android is the best option keeping the
 availability, cost and accessibility in mind. about android
 version, both 4.0 and 4.1 are accessible, none of them is 100%
 accessible though.
 well you have to accept the fact that android is comparitively new
 and while i personally appreciate google's efforts of implementing
 out of the box accessibility features, it'll obviously take time  to
 jell with the expectations of the visually challenged  individuals who
 as well have diverse needs/requirements depending  on their
 environments and demographics.

 so, if you choose to buy the android phone, keep the following  things in
 mind:

 •whatever someone might claim, no android phone is 100 percent
 accessible as of now, though the statement depends on what tasks  you
 would like to perform with your phone, as a lot of them shall  be
 accessible and a lot of them won't be.

 •android requires the user to have quite a learning curve and the
 patience as one might need to install, try and test with a number  of
 third party apps in order to get some tasks done. so if you are  not
 interested/motivated for the same, reconsider your decision.

 •most of the android based phones that you'll find in the market are
 touchscreen based.   while  the android certainly has  accessibility
 features to enable users to use touch screen with
 screenreaders/magnification applications,   i can tell you out of my
 personal experiences that the best speed and comfort that you can find
 is to have the phone that has both touch and type available, although
 i'm fortunate to be able to use 100 percent touchscreen phones as well
 with quite a reasonable speed.

 •the tasks like messaging, contacts, phone, music, camera etc are over
 90 percent accessible in my experience.
 •Log is slightly inaccessible in comparision to nokia phone, but still
 manageable.
 •GPS works fairly good, and the support of google maps is excellent.
 •fm radio is slightly inaccessible,  internet radios are manageable
 with the help of third party apps.
 •There are apps available for emailing, facebook, twitter, skype, call
 recording, dictionary, daisy book reading and other such basic tasks,
 which are reasonaablly accessible.
 •reading word, excel and pdf document is not much accessible as yet.
 •there are apps for colour identification, face recognition, OCR etc
 which though are not perfectly developed as yet, but certainly looks
 promising.

 •the versions of android shall keep improving, and they really have
 to. however, the accessibility available in android 4.0 and 4.1 is
 quite reasonable, and either of them can be chosen with no hezitations
 as such. even the 4.0, for instance provides you quite a number of
 options to use the phone accessiblly, and 4.1. only adds the icing on
 the cake. personally, i did not find much of a difference in 4.1 and
 4.2 though.

 •considering the fact that android does have the in-built
 accessibility  options available, most of the phones that you buy from
 the 

Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone to buy

2013-04-19 Thread Shyam M. Sayanekar
Hello, you said that you are using both qwerty keyboard and touch screen. 
but this phone is of which company, I mean which make.

Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
Telephone: 0251-2438457
Mobile: +91 9920410788
Skype ID- sayanekar
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From: Paresh Satra pareshsatr...@gmail.com

To: mobile.accessindia mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:22 PM
Subject: [Mobile.AI] which phone to buy



high friends
android and I OS  are 2 most accessable OS right now
apple phone r expensive but quality and after sales service is very 
exelent.

in android we have many opsens as prise starts from 6k to 45k.
samsung and sony are to most brands which have full accessibility
features of talkback in built.
as per me dont go with so called indian or chinese brands as most
dont have talk back in built and  also  have many common features
missing.
after sales service is also questionable
good companies  android phone starts from 7k with android 4.0I C S
and 8k for 4.1JB
i am using android for last 1 year with both qwerty and touch and
accessibility of both is ok.
for any query  write to me or call me
i will be happy to help
success also hurts,when you dont have a loved one to wish you.
failer also looks beautiful,when you have a loved one to support you.
paresh
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Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread mukesh jain
hello,
so far we have been discussing the various models from the angle of
several aspects like considering cpu, ram, touch screen size, camera
resolution, processor speed etc. but one thing on which  i would like
to have some review on to choose these models is sensors.

while having look at the infinite models available in the market for
android platform and considering its neumerous features, i get
confused several time in understanding the exact functions of sensors
associated with it.


while looking at the features of these models, i come across the
terminologies of sensors such as acceleration, geomagnetic field
strengt,  field strength, angular change, virtual sensors or synthetic
sensors, The linear acceleration sensor and gravity sensors.

Few Android-powered devices have every type of sensor. For example,
most handset devices and tablets have an accelerometer and a
magnetometer, but fewer devices have barometers or thermometers.

 as i understand that sensors implies Any device that receives a
signal or stimulus (as heat or pressure or light or motion etc.) and
responds to it in a distinctive manner. so i consider it pressure as
our prime function in using tap method over the touch screen. so in
the given situation, i would like to know that does selection of
sensors signifies the extent of accessibility for visually impaired?
if so, what would be the best option to choose the sensor type? if
this does not affect the accessibility to use talk back or any
accessible app then what is its functionality?

experts please throw some light on this. if my question is foolish,
then please ignore it as just raised to satisfy my curiocity.

thanks,

On 4/19/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does the latest Android run on Samsung Chat? As I understand, it has a
 physical qwerty keypad, and hence if it could run the latest version
 of Android, we could have the best Android accessibility features, and
 the keypad would take away a lot of our troubles with entering rather
 than only consuming content.
 Regards,

 On 4/19/13, DINESH THOLE dineshth...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Prateek,

 What a fantastic explanation!
 Thank You.

 With Regards.


 Dinesh Thole.

 On 4/19/13, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I’ve been able to
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android based
 phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too costly
 than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I’d like to
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually
 quite subjective to the choice and circumstances of every
 individual.
 say, for instance, those who do not have much time/interest  to
 explore and just require  a solution that's  tried and tested,
 some phones of nokia are still available in the stock  unofficially,
 that they can buy and start using right away.
 it, however is the reality that symbian is no more available and
 no further such phones are being manufactured by the company
 anymore. therefore, android is the best option keeping the
 availability, cost and accessibility in mind. about android
 version, both 4.0 and 4.1 are accessible, none of them is 100%
 accessible though.
 well you have to accept the fact that android is comparitively new
 and while i personally appreciate google's efforts of implementing
 out of the box accessibility features, it'll obviously take time  to
 jell with the expectations of the visually challenged  individuals who
 as well have diverse needs/requirements depending  on their
 environments and demographics.

 so, if you choose to buy the android phone, keep the following  things
 in
 mind:

 •whatever someone might claim, no android phone is 100 percent
 accessible as of now, though the statement depends on what tasks  you
 would like to perform with your phone, as a lot of them shall  be
 accessible and a lot of them won't be.

 •android requires the user to have quite a learning curve and the
 patience as one might need to install, try and test with a number  of
 third party apps in order to get some tasks done. so if you are  not
 interested/motivated for the same, reconsider your decision.

 •most of the android based phones that you'll find in the market are
 touchscreen based.   while  the 

Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

2013-04-19 Thread Prashant Ranjan Verma
Hi,
Accelerometer allows the phone to detect movement. Using this type of
sensors apps create features  like shake to read the time, flip the phone to
turn off ringing,  shake to start reading text etc.
Proximity sensor is used to detect the closeness of the face from the phone
and is used to turn  off touch  on the screen when phone is held close to
the face.

barometers or thermometers  if present will give you better information
about temperature in your environment. This information can also be obtained
without these sensors from the nearest weather station using the network.

So, in general sensors build additional functionality in the phone and are
desirable. They are not essential for accessibility but the additional
functionality can enhance usability.

Prashant 



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From: Mobile.accessindia
[mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of mukesh
jain
Sent: 19 April 2013 23:25
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones
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Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] which phone should you buy?

hello,
so far we have been discussing the various models from the angle of several
aspects like considering cpu, ram, touch screen size, camera resolution,
processor speed etc. but one thing on which  i would like to have some
review on to choose these models is sensors.

while having look at the infinite models available in the market for android
platform and considering its neumerous features, i get confused several time
in understanding the exact functions of sensors associated with it.


while looking at the features of these models, i come across the
terminologies of sensors such as acceleration, geomagnetic field strengt,
field strength, angular change, virtual sensors or synthetic sensors, The
linear acceleration sensor and gravity sensors.

Few Android-powered devices have every type of sensor. For example, most
handset devices and tablets have an accelerometer and a magnetometer, but
fewer devices have barometers or thermometers.

 as i understand that sensors implies Any device that receives a signal or
stimulus (as heat or pressure or light or motion etc.) and responds to it in
a distinctive manner. so i consider it pressure as our prime function in
using tap method over the touch screen. so in the given situation, i would
like to know that does selection of sensors signifies the extent of
accessibility for visually impaired?
if so, what would be the best option to choose the sensor type? if this does
not affect the accessibility to use talk back or any accessible app then
what is its functionality?

experts please throw some light on this. if my question is foolish, then
please ignore it as just raised to satisfy my curiocity.

thanks,

On 4/19/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does the latest Android run on Samsung Chat? As I understand, it has a 
 physical qwerty keypad, and hence if it could run the latest version 
 of Android, we could have the best Android accessibility features, and 
 the keypad would take away a lot of our troubles with entering rather 
 than only consuming content.
 Regards,

 On 4/19/13, DINESH THOLE dineshth...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Prateek,

 What a fantastic explanation!
 Thank You.

 With Regards.


 Dinesh Thole.

 On 4/19/13, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Folks:
 during my stay on this list from last few days, I've been able to 
 observe that there are quite a lot of confusions in regards to which 
 phone one should buy, and specially the accessibility of android 
 based phones.
 Being a user of a number of phones right from symbian second edition 
 to the smartphone breeds, I thought to answer the questions based on 
 my personal observations and experiences if they can help someone in 
 some ways.
 Like vamshi bro pointed out, choosing a suitable phone has really 
 become million dollar question these days keeping in mind:
 I phone(costly), Nokia (outdated), Android(confusing)  etc.
 iPhone, particularly is indeed very accessible, but its far too 
 costly than most users shall appreciate to buy. Hence,  I'd like to 
 specifically focus on whether one should buy nokia or android, and 
 what specific things one should keep in mind in order to choose an 
 android phone.

 well, the answer to that question is indeed difficult, and  actually 
 quite subjective to the choice and circumstances of every 
 individual.
 say, for instance, those who do not have much time/interest  to 
 explore and just require  a solution that's  tried and tested, some 
 phones of nokia are still available in the stock  unofficially, that 
 they can buy and start using right away.
 it, however is the reality that symbian is no more available and no 
 further such phones are being manufactured by the company anymore. 
 therefore, android is the best option keeping the availability, cost 
 and accessibility in mind. about android version, both 4.0 and 4.1 
 are accessible, none of