Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
Hi there, On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Igor Sysoev wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > > How about sending Stas a patch for the guide with information on this? It > > might be useful to other BSD'ers. > > My English is too poor for it. Send it to me then. :) 73, Ged.
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > > You should use it in an early phase, like PerlFixupHandler. It pushes a > > > cleanup handler if it needs to exit. It will not exit until after the > > > request is done. > > > > I didn't know it. I think you should document it. > > But any way I think it's better to check size in cleanup. > > I agree and I plan to change this. > > > It's BSD specific module. It allow to set login class for process > > to limit memory or time usage. > > How about sending Stas a patch for the guide with information on this? It > might be useful to other BSD'ers. My English is too poor for it. Igor Sysoev
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> > You should use it in an early phase, like PerlFixupHandler. It pushes a > > cleanup handler if it needs to exit. It will not exit until after the > > request is done. > > I didn't know it. I think you should document it. > But any way I think it's better to check size in cleanup. I agree and I plan to change this. > It's BSD specific module. It allow to set login class for process > to limit memory or time usage. How about sending Stas a patch for the guide with information on this? It might be useful to other BSD'ers. - Perrin
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > And some recomendation - I'm using Apache::SizeLimit as > > PerlCleanupHandler - so Apache would exit after request is completed. > > You should use it in an early phase, like PerlFixupHandler. It pushes a > cleanup handler if it needs to exit. It will not exit until after the > request is done. I didn't know it. I think you should document it. But any way I think it's better to check size in cleanup. > > I'm using mod_class for mod_perl size hard control during reponse phase. > > I've never heard of mod_class. Do you have a link for it? It's BSD specific module. It allow to set login class for process to limit memory or time usage. mod_class: ftp://ftp.lexa.ru/pub/apache-rus/contrib/mod_class.c There is more early module - mod_setclass: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/contrib/modules/1.3/mod_setclass.c The main difference - mod_setclass sets login class for each Apache child while mod_class sets class for main Apache process. mod_setclass is better to set time restriction - with mod_class you need to restart main Apache every day (it's common practice to rotate logs) otherwise main Apache can exhaust time limit. > My official recommendation is to set Apache::SizeLimit up with low enough > numbers that you can handle it if it grows a little more during the final > request, and use Apache::Resource as a hard limit to prevent runaway > processes from eating up all your RAM. Apache::Resource will kill your > process even if it's in the middle of a response, so you don't want to use > it for normal size control. mod_class and mod_setclass make the same on BSD. Igor Sysoev
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> Perrin Harkins wrote: > >Try changing the call > >$r->child_terminate() to Apache::exit(). If this seems to work better > >for you, let me know and I'll consider changing this in a future release > >of Apache::SizeLimit. > > Geoff wrote: > >what about > > > >$r->headers_out->add(Connection => 'close'); > > I tried each of these changes in turn. Neither worked to immediately exit > the child. I never saw that either of them would exit the child at all > but I may not have kept them running long enough. Did you see more requests being handled by the same process? > I noticed an odd pattern of behavior. With one of our cgi scripts, and > using $r->child_terminate(), the child would always exit immediately. > With other scripts, it wouldn't exit. With both Perrin's and Geoff's > suggestions from above, that same script would cause the process being > used to be changed, but the old process wouldn't exit. You mean the old process hangs around, but doesn't take any new requests? - Perrin
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> Some bug report about Apache::SizeLimit diagnostic: > > I don't know about Linux and Solaris but under > FreeBSD shared memory shows some incredible numbers: Okay, I'll ask the guy who wrote the *BSD support to look into it. I don't have a FreeBSD system to test with. > And some recomendation - I'm using Apache::SizeLimit as > PerlCleanupHandler - so Apache would exit after request is completed. You should use it in an early phase, like PerlFixupHandler. It pushes a cleanup handler if it needs to exit. It will not exit until after the request is done. > I'm using mod_class for mod_perl size hard control during reponse phase. I've never heard of mod_class. Do you have a link for it? My official recommendation is to set Apache::SizeLimit up with low enough numbers that you can handle it if it grows a little more during the final request, and use Apache::Resource as a hard limit to prevent runaway processes from eating up all your RAM. Apache::Resource will kill your process even if it's in the middle of a response, so you don't want to use it for normal size control. - Perrin
RE: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> > Geoff wrote: > >what about > > > >$r->headers_out->add(Connection => 'close'); > > I tried each of these changes in turn. Neither worked to > immediately exit > the child. I never saw that either of them would exit the > child at all > but I may not have kept them running long enough. hmph... are you running Apache::SizeLimit as a PerlCleanupHandler? then, of course, this particular fix won't work... just curious, mainly. that _should_ work... --Geoff
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > what about > > > > $r->headers_out->add(Connection => 'close'); > > Good idea! I'll put that into a future release. Some bug report about Apache::SizeLimit diagnostic: I don't know about Linux and Solaris but under FreeBSD shared memory shows some incredible numbers: Apache::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=25092 KB SHARE=1823412 KB REQUESTS=79 LIFETIME=293 seconds I think that it due to rusage.ru_ixrss is integral value and it should be divided (but I don't know where to find divisor). And some recomendation - I'm using Apache::SizeLimit as PerlCleanupHandler - so Apache would exit after request is completed. mod_perl usually grows at response phase so exiting in fixup is not very usefull. I'm using mod_class for mod_perl size hard control during reponse phase. Igor Sysoev
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
Hi Jay, Perrin, and Geoff, Thanks for your thoughts on this problem. Jay "yohimbe" Thorne wrote: >For what its worth, I'd recommend KeepAlive Off for almost any mod_perl >deployment. It basically is a waste of memory and a process slot. >Especially >if you put graphics on a separate server. My setup uses a mod_backhand hack for single host accelerating, And I'm using KeepAlive On based on this advice from Theo Schlossnagle. It's been working great for many months. Theo Schlossnagle wrote (on 2/22/2001): >Also, be sure to turn on KeepAlives on the mod_perl server! You will no >longer run out of children and mod_backhand will keep pools of open >connections so that you don't have to reconnect for every request. Perrin Harkins wrote: >Try changing the call >$r->child_terminate() to Apache::exit(). If this seems to work better >for you, let me know and I'll consider changing this in a future release >of Apache::SizeLimit. Geoff wrote: >what about > >$r->headers_out->add(Connection => 'close'); I tried each of these changes in turn. Neither worked to immediately exit the child. I never saw that either of them would exit the child at all but I may not have kept them running long enough. I noticed an odd pattern of behavior. With one of our cgi scripts, and using $r->child_terminate(), the child would always exit immediately. With other scripts, it wouldn't exit. With both Perrin's and Geoff's suggestions from above, that same script would cause the process being used to be changed, but the old process wouldn't exit. We're going to try to figure out what is happening with this and I'll report back if we do. Thanks again for your help! Bob
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> what about > > $r->headers_out->add(Connection => 'close'); Good idea! I'll put that into a future release. - Perrin
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
Perrin Harkins wrote: > > > That was it. The child exited immediately when I hit the limit with > > KeepAlive Off. Now the question is: Is there a way to force an exit > even > > with KeepAlive On? > > As Jay already pointed out, you usually don't want KeepAlive on with > mod_perl. However, you could try changing the call > $r->child_terminate() to Apache::exit(). If this seems to work better > for you, let me know and I'll consider changing this in a future release > of Apache::SizeLimit. what about $r->headers_out->add(Connection => 'close'); IIRC someone pointed out recently (well, 6 months ago :) that that would work... --Geoff
Re: Re(2): Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> That was it. The child exited immediately when I hit the limit with > KeepAlive Off. Now the question is: Is there a way to force an exit even > with KeepAlive On? As Jay already pointed out, you usually don't want KeepAlive on with mod_perl. However, you could try changing the call $r->child_terminate() to Apache::exit(). If this seems to work better for you, let me know and I'll consider changing this in a future release of Apache::SizeLimit. - Perrin
Re: Re(2): Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> That was it. The child exited immediately when I hit the limit with > KeepAlive Off. Now the question is: Is there a way to force an exit even > with KeepAlive On? As Jay already pointed out, you usually don't want KeepAlive on with mod_perl. However, you could try changing the call $r->child_terminate() to Apache::exit(). If this seems to work better for you, let me know and I'll consider changing this in a future release of Apache::SizeLimit. - Perrin
Re: Re(2): Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
On December 11, 2001 04:25 pm, Mod_perl Mailing List wrote: > > Hi Perrin, > > That was it. The child exited immediately when I hit the limit with > KeepAlive Off. Now the question is: Is there a way to force an exit even > with KeepAlive On? > > Thanks! > > Bob For what its worth, I'd recommend KeepAlive Off for almost any mod_perl deployment. It basically is a waste of memory and a process slot. Especially if you put graphics on a separate server. -- Jay "yohimbe" Thorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mgr Sys & Tech, Userfriendly.org
Re(2): Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> I'm using Apache::SizeLimit (on both Solaris and Linux) and getting the >> error_log entry: >> >> [Tue Dec 11 15:01:19 2001] (2520) Apache::SizeLimit httpd process too >big, >> exiting at SIZE=44964 KB SHARE=10900 KB REQUESTS=389 LIFETIME=9505 >> seconds >> >> But the child process often doesn't exit right away. It may hang around >> for a couple of minutes or even an hour with the message occuring with >> every hit: > >Maybe this is because of a keep-alive connection. It's possible that >Apache::exit() waits for all keep-alive activity to complete before >exiting. >Is there any way you can test it without keep-alive? > >- Perrin > Hi Perrin, That was it. The child exited immediately when I hit the limit with KeepAlive Off. Now the question is: Is there a way to force an exit even with KeepAlive On? Thanks! Bob
Re: Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
> I'm using Apache::SizeLimit (on both Solaris and Linux) and getting the > error_log entry: > > [Tue Dec 11 15:01:19 2001] (2520) Apache::SizeLimit httpd process too big, > exiting at SIZE=44964 KB SHARE=10900 KB REQUESTS=389 LIFETIME=9505 > seconds > > But the child process often doesn't exit right away. It may hang around > for a couple of minutes or even an hour with the message occuring with > every hit: Maybe this is because of a keep-alive connection. It's possible that Apache::exit() waits for all keep-alive activity to complete before exiting. Is there any way you can test it without keep-alive? - Perrin
Apache::SizeLimit Exit is Delayed
Hi, I'm using Apache::SizeLimit (on both Solaris and Linux) and getting the error_log entry: [Tue Dec 11 15:01:19 2001] (2520) Apache::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=44964 KB SHARE=10900 KB REQUESTS=389 LIFETIME=9505 seconds But the child process often doesn't exit right away. It may hang around for a couple of minutes or even an hour with the message occuring with every hit: [Tue Dec 11 15:20:22 2001] (2520) Apache::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=48852 KB SHARE=10944 KB REQUESTS=458 LIFETIME=10648 seconds Eventually the child will exit. (I'd like it to exit on the very first occurrence.) I've looked through the documentation and the archives and can't find a solution to this. Can anyone give me some insight? Thanks! Bob Foster
