Re: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose! (fwd)

[Matt Sergeant]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:

>
> Well, this is new. You choose what sessions at ApacheCon you want.
>
> I don't think it's a fair approach by ApacheCon committee, as by applying
> this approach they are going to make the big player even bigger and kill
> the emerging technologies, who will definitely not get enough quotes and
> thus will not make it in :( I'm not on the committee, so I cannot really
> influence, but I'll try anyway.

I agree, and I've written to Ken the same. The benefit of refereed papers
by a technical committee is that you tend to get a good balance of
technologies at the conference. This way you will only get the best known
technologies talked about, I believe. I hope camelot change their mind on
this one.

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Re: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose! (fwd)

[Stas Bekman]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:

> I share your concern Stas.
> 
> But I also suspect that if the suggestions looked odd, I doubt they would 
> blindly accept the web-based votes.  Can't entirely rule out bugs in the 
> voting system and people voting multiple times...
> 
> However, I think it's an excellent idea to at least get an idea of what the 
> people generally seem to say that they want.

I've contacted the ASF proposing the voting inside groups, to make things
fair. Otherwise it's clear which sessions will go in and which not. I
don't think voting will really help here.

Once you tell php fans to choose between php talks, mod_perl fans to
choose between mod_perl talks, and httpd fans between httpd talks,
etc. The voting will be more fair.

We have seen ASF doing this mistake once already: The Apoloosa awards last
spring, when there was an attempt to choose the people who have
contributed the most. And as I was told many people who have contributed a
lot, but aren't known by community, because they aren't speakers, book
writers, etc. but doing the dirty work didn't even enter the selection
list. This was mistake number one. 

Mistake number two was to vote across all projects, so of course php
leader has won and mod_perl was second, but I think that each project had
to be awarded separately.

Well, they do this mistake again.

And I'm not talking about mod_perl here, I'm not worried about mod_perl
talks voted -- we have a huge community (I hope the editors of take23 take
notes :). I'm more worried about other emerging technologies which might
be left behind.

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Re: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose! (fwd)

[John K Sterling]

> At 02:22 AM 12/22/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> >Well, this is new. You choose what sessions at ApacheCon you want.
> >
> >I don't think it's a fair approach by ApacheCon committee, as by applying
> >this approach they are going to make the big player even bigger and kill
> >the emerging technologies, who will definitely not get enough quotes and
> >thus will not make it in :( I'm not on the committee, so I cannot really
> >influence, but I'll try anyway.
> >

you don't want a little say in things? i think its clear that they are not
going to just pick the speaker by the number of votes they get.  its just a
great way to allow the people who are going to be at apachecon to put their 2
cents in on what is going to be there.  if anything it gives the public more
say.  the group is obviously interested in picking new diverse topics, but they
also want feedback.

sterling

Re: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose! (fwd)

[Gunther Birznieks]

I share your concern Stas.

But I also suspect that if the suggestions looked odd, I doubt they would 
blindly accept the web-based votes.  Can't entirely rule out bugs in the 
voting system and people voting multiple times...

However, I think it's an excellent idea to at least get an idea of what the 
people generally seem to say that they want.

At 02:22 AM 12/22/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:

>Well, this is new. You choose what sessions at ApacheCon you want.
>
>I don't think it's a fair approach by ApacheCon committee, as by applying
>this approach they are going to make the big player even bigger and kill
>the emerging technologies, who will definitely not get enough quotes and
>thus will not make it in :( I'm not on the committee, so I cannot really
>influence, but I'll try anyway.
>
>So if you want to get as many mod_perl sessions as possible your voting is
>most important.
>
>The original announce is attached.
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:21:33 -0500
>From: Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose!
>
>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
>Greetings!
>
>If you're not interested in Apache and the ApacheCon conferences,
>read no further.
>
>The deadline for session proposals for the ApacheCon 2001 event
>in Santa Clara in April 2001 has passed, and we have received more
>than 150 submissions.  That's a lot, and we could sure use your
>help figuring out which ones to schedule (since we'll have fewer
>than half as many session slots).
>
>To help you help us, two changes have been made to the ApacheCon
>Web site.  The first is that anyone can now get an 'account'
>on the site, whether you've attended ApacheCon in the past or not.
>This allows you to participate in things like.. well, like the
>next item.
>
>The second change is a form that lets you rate the submissions
>according to how interested you'd be in attending if it were
>scheduled.  The planners will use this feedback in figuring out
>which sessions are likely to be the best and/or most popular.
>
>Go to http://ApacheCon.Com/html/login.html>.  If you already
>have an ApacheCon account, log in with it.  If you've forgotten
>your password, use the lower half of the form and press 'send password.'
>If you don't have an account yet, use the lower part of the form
>and click 'create account.'  In either of the last two cases,
>wait for the mail message sent to your email address, and then
>log in using the top half of the form.
>
>Once you're logged in, choose the 'rate CFPs' link under the
>ApacheCon 2001 headline.
>
>Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions..
>and thanks for your support!
>- --
>#kenP-)}
>
>Ken Coar
>Apache Software Foundation  
>"Apache Server for Dummies" 
>"Apache Server Unleashed"   
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Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose! (fwd)

[Stas Bekman]

Well, this is new. You choose what sessions at ApacheCon you want. 

I don't think it's a fair approach by ApacheCon committee, as by applying
this approach they are going to make the big player even bigger and kill
the emerging technologies, who will definitely not get enough quotes and
thus will not make it in :( I'm not on the committee, so I cannot really
influence, but I'll try anyway.

So if you want to get as many mod_perl sessions as possible your voting is
most important.

The original announce is attached.

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:21:33 -0500
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Subject: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose!

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Greetings!

If you're not interested in Apache and the ApacheCon conferences,
read no further.

The deadline for session proposals for the ApacheCon 2001 event
in Santa Clara in April 2001 has passed, and we have received more
than 150 submissions.  That's a lot, and we could sure use your
help figuring out which ones to schedule (since we'll have fewer
than half as many session slots).

To help you help us, two changes have been made to the ApacheCon
Web site.  The first is that anyone can now get an 'account'
on the site, whether you've attended ApacheCon in the past or not.
This allows you to participate in things like.. well, like the
next item.

The second change is a form that lets you rate the submissions
according to how interested you'd be in attending if it were
scheduled.  The planners will use this feedback in figuring out
which sessions are likely to be the best and/or most popular.

Go to http://ApacheCon.Com/html/login.html>.  If you already
have an ApacheCon account, log in with it.  If you've forgotten
your password, use the lower half of the form and press 'send password.'
If you don't have an account yet, use the lower part of the form
and click 'create account.'  In either of the last two cases,
wait for the mail message sent to your email address, and then
log in using the top half of the form.

Once you're logged in, choose the 'rate CFPs' link under the
ApacheCon 2001 headline.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions..
and thanks for your support!
- -- 
#kenP-)}

Ken Coar
Apache Software Foundation  
"Apache Server for Dummies" 
"Apache Server Unleashed"   

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