Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

[Ask Bjoern Hansen]

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ed Park wrote:

> The project that I propose is simple and concrete: create an open forum in
> which all of the folks who are currently undergoing the same growing pains
> that we are, or who have been through them already, or who are otherwise
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Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

[barries]

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:33:29AM -0500, Ed Park wrote:
> I've been using mod_perl for two years, and I'm currently particularly
> interested in:
> 1) Definitively establishing mod_perl as a credible player in the enterprise
> space.
> 2) Discussing enterprise-level architecture considerations, performance
> benchmarks, development methodologies, etc.

You might be interested in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list Ask mentioned a
while ago.  It's pretty low traffic, but this lot has the ability to
change all of that...

   http://www.mail-archive.com/modperl%40apache.org/msg11699.html

I also am interested in learning from others' battle scars and victories
in these areas and a [EMAIL PROTECTED] (as opposed to the
advocacy list Stas mentioned) would be interesting, or seeing it here.

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Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

[Stas Bekman]

On 6 Dec 2000, David Hodgkinson wrote:

> "Gerald Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > > 3) Is there anyone who'd like to volunteer virtual space to host this?
> > e.g.
> > > ftp, web, creating a mailing list, etc.
> > >
> > 
> > I can do this, but I guess it also wouldn't be a problem to host this on
> > perl.apache.org
> 
> This is, IMHO, a mod_perl advocacy effort and should sit on that site
> quite nicely...

We even have a special list for that, which wasn't really used because
people didn't signup. So we can do it now. (well I'm there :)
http://perl.apache.org/#advocacy-list

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Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

[David Hodgkinson]

"Gerald Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > 3) Is there anyone who'd like to volunteer virtual space to host this?
> e.g.
> > ftp, web, creating a mailing list, etc.
> >
> 
> I can do this, but I guess it also wouldn't be a problem to host this on
> perl.apache.org

This is, IMHO, a mod_perl advocacy effort and should sit on that site
quite nicely...

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Re: enterprise mod_perl architectures

[Gerald Richter]

> Some of those folks don't read
> this list regularly, and in that case, I'd be happy to email them/call
them
> directly if people could just point them my way.
>

I know that iii in London (www.iii.co.uk) use Embperl/mod_perl for there
site and they generate about 1 million dynamic pages a day. For them I
currently working on speeding up Embperl which will published as Embperl
2.0. I know they are working together with Tim Bunce to improve the database
side.  Maybe they are interessed in your project.

> 3) Is there anyone who'd like to volunteer virtual space to host this?
e.g.
> ftp, web, creating a mailing list, etc.
>

I can do this, but I guess it also wouldn't be a problem to host this on
perl.apache.org

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enterprise mod_perl architectures

[Ed Park]

tensions that are generated when top management and VCs come
knocking with questions. In this way, it should dovetail nicely with the
mod_perl advocacy project.

I am not yet certain whether the best forum for this is this mailing list,
or whether I should try to create a private list of names for folks who are
interested. Relevant considerations include:
-The possible very off-topicness of pieces of the discussion.
-At some point, some of us may want opinions from other folks on sensitive
information (network diagrams, etc.) that Corporate won't allow us to show
to the outside world except under NDA; if all the folks on a list signed an
NDA, then we could speak freely all the time.
-At any rate, I'd like to publish any methodologies we use and put any
monitoring tools, performance benching tools, etc. into open-source. To that
end, I'll be creating a page that publishes any code we come up with and
summarizes our thoughts. I'd be happy to publish that page myself, but I
could also just add it as a page-- 'Enterprise mod_perl architectures'-- to
Matt's new site (modperl.sergeant.org).

So, I'd like to get folks' thoughts on this project. Again, I am staking out
very high ground on this project-- multimillion-dollar companies with
multimillion-dollar budgets. I'm doing this not because I'm disparaging
other companies, but because part of the reason behind doing this project is
to establish mod_perl's credibility as an enterprise web platform and to
describe some of the pitfalls and workarounds that allow mod_perl to scale
to that level. To that end, I'd like to get a list of interested parties. In
general, this should include the chief architects, CTOs, and/or senior
engineers at different shops using mod_perl. Some of those folks don't read
this list regularly, and in that case, I'd be happy to email them/call them
directly if people could just point them my way.

If any subset of folks are interested, I'd be more than happy to drive this
project forward. This is a project that really describes one of my core
responsibilities in my company right now, so I actually have a lot of time
and the resources to devote to this as part of my job.

Anyways, not to belabor the point-- I'd like y'alls input on this,
specifically:
1) What do folks thing about the project in general?
2) Should we keep it on this list, or should we create a separate mailing
list for interested parties, or should we do a combination of the two?
3) Is there anyone who'd like to volunteer virtual space to host this? e.g.
ftp, web, creating a mailing list, etc.

I am not yet interested in specifics about peoples' architectures; I think
that we need to frame the general discussion and create some infrastructure
before we go into that.

cheers,
Ed


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