SSL/httpd

2006-10-11 Thread Brian Sieler

Using apache 2.2.x. Installed--works fine for http only. Soon as -DSSL
is added to startup the following happens.

httpd processes get continously created then show as  then go away.

error_log shows many lines of:

[error] (38)Function not implemented: apr_pollset_poll: (listen)

Similar SSL setup works fine on other servers.

Clues anyone?
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Re: Having modssl run on different ports, is this even possible?

2006-10-11 Thread Michael Pacey
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 14:31 -0700, Yvo van Doorn wrote:
> I am running Apache2 with the included mod_ssl module, I figure this a
> good place to start, but if it belongs on the apache httpd mailing
> list you can bluntly tell me.
> 
> The servers I administer run in an environment that is pretty painful,
> but common i hear. Another team at corporate headquarters administer
> the firewall and what they are planning to do is as follows. I have no
> control over the firewall what so ever. 
> 
> Any port 80 (http) request sent to the firewall for domain
> www.example.com will be then rerouted to an internal IP, such as
> 172.16.15.102 (behind the firewall), on port 8000. Thus I have apache
> listening on port 8000. 
> 
> Any port 443 (https) request sent to the firewall for domain
> www.example.com will be then rerouted to to an internal IP, such as
> 172.16.15.102 (behind the firewall), on port 9000. I want to have
> mod_ssl listening on port 9000, is this possible?
> 
> Should a virtualhost entry just work such  172.16.15.102:9000> and have the usual items such as SSLEngine,
> SSLCertificateFile, SSLCertificateKeyFile, etc?

Yes that should work. Make sure you have your ports in the Listen
directive.

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Re: Encrypted page would not load into IE

2006-10-11 Thread Patrick Patterson
Hi Micheal:

Are you able to post the certificate here? It sounds like the issue may be the 
key usage, or an entry in some other field - I've seen results like this if 
you don't have key agreement set, or some of the other fields mangled, or 
particular security settings enabled in your certificate.

Patrick.


On Tuesday 10 October 2006 10:20, Richters, Eriks A wrote:
> This definitly sounds like an IE problem.  Check MSDN,
> http://msdn.microsoft.com.
> If you can't find anything there, then contact MicroSoft Support.
> Unfortunately, unless you're a large corporation, its hard to get good
> support from them.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: Encripted page would not load into IE
>
> Hmmm, sorry I'm not an IE expert but it sounds like you are at least on
> the right track. Maybe check on an IE list or forum?
>
> BB said:
> > Sorry, my mistake. The CA shows up in the list, but I get still the
>
> same
>
> > error.
> >
> >> I tried also to install the certificate of the CA in the Trusted Root
> >> Certification Authorities folder. It says Import Successfull, but my
>
> CA
>
> >> doesn't show up in the list.
> >>
> >> Any hints?
> >>
> >>> Apparently, it's someting wrong with the certificates, as IE Watch
> >>> gets:
> >>>
> >>> ERROR_INTERNET_SEC_INVALID_CERT
> >>>
> >>> What could this be? Firefox works just fine with these certs.
> >>> Additionaly,
> >>> pop3s and imaps from Dovecot work fine with the same certs, even
>
> with
>
> >>> MS
> >>> Outlook and Outlook Express clients.
> >>>
> >>> It's a self created CA, with self signed certificates.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions for what should I check further?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance!
> >>>
> >>> BBR
> >>>
>  BB said:
> > I made the tests with IE from at least 4 different computers,
>
> located
>
> > in
> > networks from 3 different ISP's.
> >
> > Yes, the connection is done, because ith shows up instantly with
> > tail -f /var/log/apache/ssl_engine_log
> 
>  Sounds weird. You could try installing an HTTP capture tool like IE
>  Watch
>  and seeing if that gives any useful info.
> 
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Having modssl run on different ports, is this even possible?

2006-10-11 Thread Yvo van Doorn
I am running Apache2 with the included mod_ssl module, I figure this a good place to start, but if it belongs on the apache httpd mailing list you can bluntly tell me.The servers I administer run in an environment that is pretty painful, but common i hear. Another team at corporate headquarters administer the firewall and what they are planning to do is as follows. I have no control over the firewall what so ever.
Any port 80 (http) request sent to the firewall for domain www.example.com will be then rerouted to an internal IP, such as 172.16.15.102 (behind the firewall), on port 8000. Thus I have apache listening on port 8000.
Any port 443 (https) request sent to the firewall for domain www.example.com will be then rerouted to to an internal IP, such as 172.16.15.102
 (behind the firewall), on port 9000. I want to have mod_ssl listening on port 9000, is this possible?Should a virtualhost entry just work such 172.16.15.102:9000
> and have the usual items such as SSLEngine, SSLCertificateFile, SSLCertificateKeyFile, etc?Any help is appreciated. Yvo


RE: OCSP? (UNCLASSIFIED)

2006-10-11 Thread Victor, Dwight P CTR DISA PAC
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Hi Eriks,

Thanks for the tip regarding Tumbleweed & WebCullis.  I'll definitely have
to do some research.

Paul,

One of my web searches pulled up the fact that HP-UX has a OCSP enabled
version of mod_ssl.  Seems to be a lucky break for you.  Hope that works
out.

I have experienced a large memory hit anytime certificate checking is
performed against the CRLs (some of which are 13 MB in size) in the range of
75MB per Apache server instance.  Luckily we aren't that busy, or we would
definitely be feeling the pain.

BTW, I've been reading a bit about mod_nss
(http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Mod_nss).  This module sounds
interesting, but it isn't supported on HP-UX.  I'll have to give it a try
and I'll let the list know the results (if I can find some time to play with
it).
Thanks again,

Dwight...

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Thanks Eriks, appreciate the info. We are using HP-UX, so the Tumbleweed
solution won't work for us. We do have an HP version of Apache that has the
OCSP mod of mod_ssl, but we just installed it (today) and haven't had a
chance to look at the documentation yet. Will post back and let you know
what we found out. Thanks again.

Paul


Richters, Eriks A wrote:
> 
> I went down this road a few months ago.  Someone wrote a patch that 
> would add OCSP client functionality to Apache, but the patch never got 
> folded into the Apache mainline code.  We spent a bit of effort trying 
> to get the patch to work with our version of Apache with no luck.
> There are two products from commercial organizations out there that 
> can help.  One is from Tumbleweed, called Server Validator.  It's 
> pricey about $2000 per server, but works pretty well. Its very easy to 
> install and configure and has some nice features for supporting OCSP 
> and failing over to CRLs.  It is supported on several platforms.
> The other product is called WebCullis from the organization that used 
> to be Orion Security. (Orion Security has since been bought by 
> Entrust.) It used to be under the GPL, which was nice.  At the time, 
> they only had a version for Windows and Intel based Solaris.
> I hope this helps. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: OCSP? (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> 
> My organization is headed down this road after experiencing 
> performance degradation from checking large CRLs. As we come up with a 
> solution, will post what I find out. Alternatively, if you have any 
> information, would appreciate it, thanks!
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> Victor, Dwight P CTR DISA PAC wrote:
>> 
>> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>> 
>> 
>> Hello List!
>> 
>> Has anyone had any experience/success with using mod_ssl + Apache v2
> to
>> query an OCSP responder regarding the status of an end-user provided 
>> certificate and allow/deny access based on the response?  Any tips, 
>> suggestions, discussion would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Dwight...
>> 
>> ---
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>> Systems Administrator / Webmaster
>> General Dynamics C4 Systems
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>> 
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>>  
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RE: OCSP? (UNCLASSIFIED)

2006-10-11 Thread pbains

Thanks Eriks, appreciate the info. We are using HP-UX, so the Tumbleweed
solution won't work for us. We do have an HP version of Apache that has the
OCSP mod of mod_ssl, but we just installed it (today) and haven't had a
chance to look at the documentation yet. Will post back and let you know
what we found out. Thanks again.

Paul


Richters, Eriks A wrote:
> 
> I went down this road a few months ago.  Someone wrote a patch that
> would add OCSP client functionality to Apache, but the patch never got
> folded into the Apache mainline code.  We spent a bit of effort trying
> to get the patch to work with our version of Apache with no luck.
> There are two products from commercial organizations out there that can
> help.  One is from Tumbleweed, called Server Validator.  It's pricey
> about $2000 per server, but works pretty well. Its very easy to install
> and configure and has some nice features for supporting OCSP and failing
> over to CRLs.  It is supported on several platforms.  
> The other product is called WebCullis from the organization that used to
> be Orion Security. (Orion Security has since been bought by Entrust.)
> It used to be under the GPL, which was nice.  At the time, they only had
> a version for Windows and Intel based Solaris. 
> I hope this helps. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pbains
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:32 PM
> To: modssl-users@modssl.org
> Subject: Re: OCSP? (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> 
> My organization is headed down this road after experiencing performance
> degradation from checking large CRLs. As we come up with a solution,
> will
> post what I find out. Alternatively, if you have any information, would
> appreciate it, thanks!
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> Victor, Dwight P CTR DISA PAC wrote:
>> 
>> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
>> Caveats: NONE
>> 
>> 
>> Hello List!
>> 
>> Has anyone had any experience/success with using mod_ssl + Apache v2
> to
>> query an OCSP responder regarding the status of an end-user provided
>> certificate and allow/deny access based on the response?  Any tips,
>> suggestions, discussion would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Dwight...
>> 
>> ---
>> Dwight Victor, CISSP (Contractor)
>> Systems Administrator / Webmaster
>> General Dynamics C4 Systems
>> EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> TEL:   (808) 653-3677 ext 229
>> 
>> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
>> Caveats: NONE
>> 
>> 
>>  
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RE: OCSP? (UNCLASSIFIED)

2006-10-11 Thread Richters, Eriks A
I went down this road a few months ago.  Someone wrote a patch that
would add OCSP client functionality to Apache, but the patch never got
folded into the Apache mainline code.  We spent a bit of effort trying
to get the patch to work with our version of Apache with no luck.
There are two products from commercial organizations out there that can
help.  One is from Tumbleweed, called Server Validator.  It's pricey
about $2000 per server, but works pretty well. Its very easy to install
and configure and has some nice features for supporting OCSP and failing
over to CRLs.  It is supported on several platforms.  
The other product is called WebCullis from the organization that used to
be Orion Security. (Orion Security has since been bought by Entrust.)
It used to be under the GPL, which was nice.  At the time, they only had
a version for Windows and Intel based Solaris. 
I hope this helps. 

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My organization is headed down this road after experiencing performance
degradation from checking large CRLs. As we come up with a solution,
will
post what I find out. Alternatively, if you have any information, would
appreciate it, thanks!

Paul


Victor, Dwight P CTR DISA PAC wrote:
> 
> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> 
> Hello List!
> 
> Has anyone had any experience/success with using mod_ssl + Apache v2
to
> query an OCSP responder regarding the status of an end-user provided
> certificate and allow/deny access based on the response?  Any tips,
> suggestions, discussion would be appreciated.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Dwight...
> 
> ---
> Dwight Victor, CISSP (Contractor)
> Systems Administrator / Webmaster
> General Dynamics C4 Systems
> EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> 
>  
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RE: CRL Checking Uses Excessive Memory

2006-10-11 Thread pbains

I am working on a DoD project, and we are experiencing high CPU load on HP-UX
servers with multiple CPUs in this scenario. We are thinking it is because
the CRL size for some CAs is huge - ad-hoc tests done with certs associated
with small CRLs do not produce CPU spikes, but large CRLs do. We are running
an older version of Apache and the mod_ssl package without OCSP support, but
have just installed an updated Apache with mod_ssl and OCSP support. Anyone
using this, and if so, have any luck with it? Thanks in advance!

Paul


Victor, Dwight P CTR DISA PAC wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> I also work for the DoD and am using the same CRLs as you (downloaded and
> converted on a daily basis).  We're running a Linux webserver with a
> single
> 1.8Ghz Celeron, 512MB of RAM, and 1GB of swap.
> 
> I haven't noticed any memory issues when checking CRLs.
> 
> My Apache server starts multiple child servers.  It looks like the child
> servers hit around 60MB of memory usage (max) when processing CRL checks;
> 500KB to 1MB seems to be the average child server's memory usage when
> idle.
> 
> top says my current load average is about 0.03, 0.01, 0.00.  When checking
> CRLs, top says my load average zooms up to around 0.20, 0.05, 0.01.
> 
> Of course, my userbase is very small and we aren't doing a ton of CRL
> checks.
> 
> OCSP should resolve your issue with plowing through the CRLs, however, I
> have yet to find a viable OCSP solution.  There was a patch for mod_ssl,
> but
> I haven't heard anything about it since it was last released in 2004. 
> Maybe
> someone else on this list knows?
> 
> Rob, why don't you email me offline.  I'm in the DISA GAL, if you can get
> to
> that.
> 
> Dwight...
> 
> -Original Message-
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> CS/SCBS
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:47 AM
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> Subject: CRL Checking Uses Excessive Memory
> 
> 
> I work for the DoD. We have about a dozen CA's with their own CRL files.
> Some of these are over 20M in size. When CRL checking is enabled in Apache
> (for Linux or Windows), memory use is excessive and httpd processes are
> killed by the OS (Linux) due to out of memory conditions and all the
> memory
> swapping activity sends the proc utilization way up there and makes the
> server unresponsive. On Windows the CPU use just pegs at 100% (I have no
> idea what else is going on in there).
> CRL's are downloaded every day and openssl is used to make hash'd file
> names
> (ssl.conf is using  SSLCARevocationPath). I don't currently restart apache
> after retrieving the new CRL files.
> The Linux machine runs redhat with dual 3ghz xeons and 2Gb ram. SSL works
> great, but as soon as CRLs are checked, apache starts to go south! I have
> a
> 2Gb swap partition and have added another 2Gb swap file to at least keep
> things running, but it becomes so slow it might as well crash.
> Each httpd process goes from using about 14Mb of memory when not CRL
> checking to 250Mb when CRL checking is enabled!
> BTW: anywhere from 10 to 20 concurrent httpd processes are normal for that
> machine.
> 
> Any ideas on how to use large CRL's in Apache? 
> 
> Do I just need more memory?
> 
> If Apache can't use many large CRL files, would an OSCP solution side-step
> these problems? Any good ones out there?
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Re: OCSP? (UNCLASSIFIED)

2006-10-11 Thread pbains

My organization is headed down this road after experiencing performance
degradation from checking large CRLs. As we come up with a solution, will
post what I find out. Alternatively, if you have any information, would
appreciate it, thanks!

Paul


Victor, Dwight P CTR DISA PAC wrote:
> 
> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> 
> Hello List!
> 
> Has anyone had any experience/success with using mod_ssl + Apache v2 to
> query an OCSP responder regarding the status of an end-user provided
> certificate and allow/deny access based on the response?  Any tips,
> suggestions, discussion would be appreciated.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Dwight...
> 
> ---
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> Systems Administrator / Webmaster
> General Dynamics C4 Systems
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> 
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Re: Newbie Question regarding mod_ssl

2006-10-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
http://hunter.campbus.com/ - and yes Chris is trustworthy.  Blame Canada :)

Bill

Eckard Wille wrote:
> Erol Yalaz schrieb:
>> I have a WIN2003 box with the latest Apache on it (2.2.3) and it is
>> working great.  I need to get mod_ssl working.  Unfortunately, I can’t
>>
>> Any suggestions?  Shouldn’t there be some pre-compiled binaries out there?
> 
> http://www.apachelounge.com/download/
> 
> If you trust them :-)
> 
> Greetings
> Eckard
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Question on version

2006-10-11 Thread Kong, Yi - HPL






Hi, We have Intranet server with apache 2.0.54 and openssl 0.9.8 self-made certificate. It is accessed by IE 6.0 with no problem, but will stop and get "the connection has terminated unexpectedly. Some data may have been transferred" when I use Firefox or Netscape (all version ).

After I unmark v3.0 from Firefox security, I can access the site.


From the ssl_request_log, it works well with V2.0 or V3.0. Here is it:




1/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/jibcol3.j

pg HTTP/1.1" -

#   tail ssl_request_log

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:10 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /mininav.html HTTP/

1.1" -

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /area.html HTTP/1.1

" -

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/mission_g

raphic.jpg HTTP/1.1" -

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/maus_roug

e.jpg HTTP/1.1" -

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/newnav3.g

if HTTP/1.1" -

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/roll_back

3.gif HTTP/1.1" -

[11/Oct/2006:12:06:11 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv3 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/jibcol3.j

pg HTTP/1.1" -

[11/Oct/2006:13:55:07 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv2 RC4-MD5 "GET /resources.html HTT

P/1.1" 3218

[11/Oct/2006:13:55:07 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv2 RC4-MD5 "GET /graphics/res_banne

r.gif HTTP/1.1" 2090

[11/Oct/2006:13:55:07 -0500] 10.34.145.36 SSLv2 RC4-MD5 "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1

.1" 209


Anybody can tell me why? Thanks


Yi



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Re: Does Mod_SSL use SSL_get_shared_ciphers()?

2006-10-11 Thread Phil Ehrens
Stanley Laufer wrote:
> Does anyone know if Mod_SSL uses the SSL_get_shared_ciphers()
> function from OpenSSL?
> 
> As you may know a buffer overflow has been detected in that
> function in OpenSSL versions prior to 0.9.8d.
> 
> I'm trying to find out if Mod_SSL uses the vulnerable function.

I just checked a couple different versions and did not see that
function.
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Does Mod_SSL use SSL_get_shared_ciphers()?

2006-10-11 Thread Stanley Laufer
Does anyone know if Mod_SSL uses the SSL_get_shared_ciphers()
function from OpenSSL?

As you may know a buffer overflow has been detected in that
function in OpenSSL versions prior to 0.9.8d.

I'm trying to find out if Mod_SSL uses the vulnerable function.

Thanks in advance.



Stanley E. Laufer
Network Administrator
School of Library and Information Science
San Jose State University

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Re: Newbie Question regarding mod_ssl

2006-10-11 Thread Eckard Wille
Erol Yalaz schrieb:
> I have a WIN2003 box with the latest Apache on it (2.2.3) and it is
> working great.  I need to get mod_ssl working.  Unfortunately, I can’t
> 
> Any suggestions?  Shouldn’t there be some pre-compiled binaries out there?

http://www.apachelounge.com/download/

If you trust them :-)

Greetings
Eckard
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Newbie Question regarding mod_ssl

2006-10-11 Thread Erol Yalaz








I have a WIN2003 box with the latest Apache on it (2.2.3)
and it is working great.  I need to get mod_ssl working. 
Unfortunately, I can’t seem to figure out how to enable it.  I have
openssl installed and I was able to create a cert with no problem.  Based
upon what I have seen via google, I would have to compile from source which I
really don’t want to do (and I am not talented enough J).

 

Any suggestions?  Shouldn’t there be some
pre-compiled binaries out there?

 

Thanks – erolybird