Re: [MOPO] ok, its linen-backed .... what about foam or cardboard?
I think there is virtually universal agreement on cardboard and foam-backing of posters: Such backing seriously degrades the value of a poster. In all but the most highly-desirable posters, it pretty much destroys the value of the poster. As for the value-added by linen backing, that's a questionwhich hasbeen kicked around a lot, and to a large extent it depends of the attitude of the individual collector. If we want to try for generalizations, from what I've seen, most collectors only consider linen backing itself to add maybe $70 to $100 to the value of a poster (i.e., the cost of the linen backing) Now, whatever else may have been done besides linen-backing (touch up of fold lines, repair of small paper loss, repair of tears and creases, and the fact that the fold lines can pretty much be made to disappear with a good linen backing job) may also add value to what that same poster would have been worthbefore it was linen backed and "restored". But a non-backed,fine condition poster which needs no restoration will always be worth the same as a similar linen backed poster and probably quite a bit more (because many collectors are leery of not really knowing exactly how much restoration has been done to the linen backed poster or if the backing was donecorrectly with the proper materials). But some collectors really like to buy posters that are alreadylinen backed , even those which are already in fine condition and need no restoration, because they considersuch posters to bealready "preserved", and easier to handle, and far less likely to be damaged in handling or display. But most won't pay toomuch more than the poster is worth beyond the cost of the linen backing itself, if we're just talking backing and no restoration. A far greater number of collectorsseem toprefer to have a fine or really very good condition, non-backed poster. That way they can either put it in an archival frame and preserve it that way -- and there is no question about "what might have been done to it" -- or they can take it to their own favorite professional and have it backed themselves and know the job will be done right. An true archival frame such as those Sue Heim sells costs about the same as a basic linen-backing joband will really do a great job of protecting and preserving the poster. On the other hand, when a poster is correctly linen-backed it is also de-acidified, which can be an important preservation step, particularly with older posters -- and the fold lines either disappear or are minimized. Oneof the problems with buying a poster that is already linen backed is that, if it has not been signed in ink on the back by the person who did the work, then you have no way of knowing if the linen backing was done correctly and with the proper materials. It's a big problem, as more and more people have been reporting having problems with "crappy" linen backed posters they have purchased. This is why myself and others have been advocating all professional backers sign their work on the back of the linen, in ink, indicating the date the work was done, and who did it and some kind of ID number that could be kept on file by the backer which could be referenced and confirmed in the future by a potential buyer. I believe such certification will become more important to collectors as time goes on and a "certified" linen backed poster will be worth more than an identical linen backed poster without certification. The real gray area is in restoration combined with linen backing. There you can have all kinds of variations on appearances and perceived value. Depending on how good the restoration is, most people may not be able to tell that a whole lot of work was done on a poster, perhaps even very large amounts of paper loss repaired and repainted. But subsequent examination by professionals may reveal much more work than they imagined and subsequently lower the real value of the poster. This is another area where certification and an ID number, which could be referenced with the person who did the work to get a report on how much restoration was done could prove very beneficial. Bottom line: I personally will pay more for a non-backed poster in X condition than I would for a linen backed poster in the same condition -- unless I knew for certain the backing was done by a recognized professional in the field, in which case I might pay a bit more (i.e., the cost of the backing). Paper-backing of inserts and half-sheets is another gray area. It used to be a common practice, but more and more people are opting to linen back inserts and half-sheets. Paper backing seems to be fading awayand I think there has been some deterioration in value of paper-backed inserts and half-sheets in the collecting community. Lobby cards are different. Paper-backing of lobby cards is still the accepted method, and really the only practical method, of backing a lobby card. But most lobby
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Re: [MOPO] ok, its linen-backed .... what about foam or cardboard?
Thank-you. I'm keeping this one :) Andrea - Original Message - From: JRS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] ok, its linen-backed what about foam or cardboard? I think there is virtually universal agreement on cardboard and foam-backing of posters: Such backing seriously degrades the value of a poster. In all but the most highly-desirable posters, it pretty much destroys the value of the poster. As for the value-added by linen backing, that's a questionwhich hasbeen kicked around a lot, and to a large extent it depends of the attitude of the individual collector. If we want to try for generalizations, from what I've seen, most collectors only consider linen backing itself to add maybe $70 to $100 to the value of a poster (i.e., the cost of the linen backing) Now, whatever else may have been done besides linen-backing (touch up of fold lines, repair of small paper loss, repair of tears and creases, and the fact that the fold lines can pretty much be made to disappear with a good linen backing job) may also add value to what that same poster would have been worthbefore it was linen backed and "restored". But a non-backed,fine condition poster which needs no restoration will always be worth the same as a similar linen backed poster and probably quite a bit more (because many collectors are leery of not really knowing exactly how much restoration has been done to the linen backed poster or if the backing was donecorrectly with the proper materials). But some collectors really like to buy posters that are alreadylinen backed , even those which are already in fine condition and need no restoration, because they considersuch posters to bealready "preserved", and easier to handle, and far less likely to be damaged in handling or display. But most won't pay toomuch more than the poster is worth beyond the cost of the linen backing itself, if we're just talking backing and no restoration. A far greater number of collectorsseem toprefer to have a fine or really very good condition, non-backed poster. That way they can either put it in an archival frame and preserve it that way -- and there is no question about "what might have been done to it" -- or they can take it to their own favorite professional and have it backed themselves and know the job will be done right. An true archival frame such as those Sue Heim sells costs about the same as a basic linen-backing joband will really do a great job of protecting and preserving the poster. On the other hand, when a poster is correctly linen-backed it is also de-acidified, which can be an important preservation step, particularly with older posters -- and the fold lines either disappear or are minimized. Oneof the problems with buying a poster that is already linen backed is that, if it has not been signed in ink on the back by the person who did the work, then you have no way of knowing if the linen backing was done correctly and with the proper materials. It's a big problem, as more and more people have been reporting having problems with "crappy" linen backed posters they have purchased. This is why myself and others have been advocating all professional backers sign their work on the back of the linen, in ink, indicating the date the work was done, and who did it and some kind of ID number that could be kept on file by the backer which could be referenced and confirmed in the future by a potential buyer. I believe such certification will become more important to collectors as time goes on and a "certified" linen backed poster will be worth more than an identical linen backed poster without certification. The real gray area is in restoration combined with linen backing. There you can have all kinds of variations on appearances and perceived value. Depending on how good the restoration is, most people may not be able to tell that a whole lot of work was done on a poster, perhaps even very large amounts of paper loss repaired and repainted. But subsequent examination by professionals may reveal much more work than they imagined and subsequently lower the real value of the poster. This is another area where certification and an ID number, which could be referenced with the person who did the work to get a report on how much restoration was done could prove very beneficial. Bottom line: I personally will pay more for a non-backed poster in X condition than I would for a linen backed poster in the same condition -- unless I knew for certain the backing was done by a recognized professional in the field, in which case I might pay a bit more (i.e., the cost of the backing). Paper-backing of inserts and half-sheets is another gray area. It used to be a common practice,
[MOPO] LINEN BACKING VS PAPER BACKING
JR, A fine article thanks.However you failed to address a significant practical stand point. Paper backing a half sheet, insert, or window cardindeed if done by a qualified studio or individual does indeed allow for the piece to be exhibited at its most optimum. However it is a rather fragile, acid-free hybrid you are left with. I am sure all of you have experienced that sick-in-your-stomach catastrophe when a paper backed piece literally cracks in your hands if handled brusquely or inadvertantly bending, dropping, framing orclosing a dooror hatch back on it. Literally its a fracture of the underlying cardboard supporting the layer of original paper being restored. This becomes quite an issue when having to ship a paper backed piece some distance. I have found it takes with respect to packing, no less than 6 sheets of cardboard to assure near gorilla- proof conditions for shipping. Conjointly, shipping expenses are higher due to dimensional weight over actual weight and now every shipper evaluates both costs and op for the higher price. Now chances are a linen backed half sheet or insert really can't be shipped rolled into a tube due to itsinflexibility in reducing to a 4 inch column. But the potential for damage is greatly reduced during shipping as linen can withstand a variety of stresses that is absolutely catastrophic if paper backed. Visualize what is required to ship a linen placemat versus a sheet of matzo the same sizeand you will understand my point.Many dealers have gone to the additional expense of precutting masonite to ship paper backed pieces. Trueposter will likely arrive intactbut due tothe significantweight of masonite as well asits price... costof shippingitem sky rockets by virtually triple. So who made the rules? Restoration studios? Possibly,because it is considerably more expensive topaper back a half sheet or insert than it is to linen back. But once framed I defy anyone to be able to tell the difference. Possibly its paper versus card stock, andpaper backing was deemed to be the avenue of restoration for cardstock. BUT IS THEIR ANY FACT BEHIND THOSE DECLARATIONS? I have seen and own numeroushalf sheets and inserts on linen and in my opinion there isn't enough perceived value of a paper backed item over the same piece on linen.Of course if Iowned a restoration studio I am sure I could come up with a list.But as a consumer and seller, in the all out pursuit of keeping expenses down, I would love to see a move to all linen all the timeonly when necessary. freeman fisher8601 west knoll #7west hollywood, CA90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] OT: Memorial Day
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