Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi
Whoops -- addendum to item 4... We not only send 30-40 posters to heritage, we send the same uninventoried number to Bruce. Addendum to number 5 We start getting emails from Bruce regarding out inventory selling payments deposited into our account. From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi 1. Rudy suckers you into sending posters to Heritage Suckers? I wouldn't have used that word. He was eager to make some money off a commission. 2. Heritage gets the posters, send you an inventory list and you think stuff is missing Correction, Heritage lists only posters they are putting up for the next auction. We do not realize there is something wrong here. We ask Heritage about what is not on the list and are told Heritage has a secure inventory and tagging process. 3. Heritage sells posters that aren't on the inventory list, sends you a check for $11K for at least one of them, and then doesn't sell other items that are on the list. Correction, Heritage then sells another poster -- which we didn't know was or wasn't on an inventory. 4. You are so mad about the missing items you decide to pack up another box of posters to send to Heritage without telling them and without making an inventory Correction - We are happy with the sales and think Heritage earned their commission. We think they are doing a good job and after this 2nd check clears, decide to send them more product. We are not aware of missing posters because in our conversations with Heritage, we are asked whether we want to sell these in Heritage's weekly auction. As our Star Wars sales are very good on ebay, we decline. We are told our posters are safely held as they are tagged and inventoried. 5. Several months later you are mad because they didn't tell you about the package you never told them was coming. Correction. After sending the 2nd batch, I call them to see when they are going to auction the new material we sent. Christ doesn't know what I am talking about promises to look into it. In our subsequent conversation, he states our posters have little value so they won't list them in the signature auction. To which, I ask, what about the Get Carter and Lennon poster knowing full well these two sold in the Feb. 2010 auction. 6. You argue about #2 and #5 for a while7. Heritage says they sent you back everything they have. 8. You say they didn't. Correction, see the following revised 6,7, 8 9. 6. We argue, I complain, Grey threatens me with a law suit for slander and libel. 7. It takes a couple of months to hire the right lawyer to protect us from slander and libel. I then air my grievances publicly. 8. Heritage offers to sell our future consignments without a commission, which we decline. Heritage then offers to donate the value of the Get Carter Lennon to charity, which we also decline. 9. Grey then sends back the inventory of ours he has -- and yes, that is when I get really mad. Upon opening the packages and seeing what was in it, I was furious. Of course, I immediately knew something was amiss because the shipping tubes were not the ones we had bought from Uline and shipped off our posters to Heritage in. In other words, our posters were unpacked and repacked. It was then I sat down and went through the Heritage file with a fine tooth comb. Am I raving mad right now? No, I'd say the work it takes to challenge a well-loved dealer whom most of you do business with regularly takes the uumph out of any anger. If anything, I am calmly rational now, knowing that we learned a good lesson which others can learn from also. From: Sean Linkenback s...@platinumposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi So to get the timeline correct: -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 09:15 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process
[MOPO] Welcome to the IVPDA Poster Show: Pastime Posters: Sports and Summer Olympics
MovieArt Austin has ten posters shown in the online IVPDA poster show. The summer show's theme is SPORTS. There are some nice posters in this dealers' selection. http://www.ivpda.com/cgi-local/postershow.cgi?show=36 Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi
Maybe you sent the Get Carter and Lennon to Bruce... You don't find it strange that Heritage would send you a check for $11,000 for a poster that wasn't on your inventory list and then claim that they didn't get two items that are worth 1/10 of that amount? (which you didn't inventory and truthfully have no idea if you sent it to them or not) That's usually the opposite way things work. -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 09:21 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi Whoops -- addendum to item 4... We not only send 30-40 posters to heritage, we send the same uninventoried number to Bruce. Addendum to number 5 We start getting emails from Bruce regarding out inventory selling payments deposited into our account. From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi 1. Rudy suckers you into sending posters to Heritage Suckers? I wouldn't have used that word. He was eager to make some money off a commission. 2. Heritage gets the posters, send you an inventory list and you think stuff is missing Correction, Heritage lists only posters they are putting up for the next auction. We do not realize there is something wrong here. We ask Heritage about what is not on the list and are told Heritage has a secure inventory and tagging process. 3. Heritage sells posters that aren't on the inventory list, sends you a check for $11K for at least one of them, and then doesn't sell other items that are on the list. Correction, Heritage then sells another poster -- which we didn't know was or wasn't on an inventory. 4. You are so mad about the missing items you decide to pack up another box of posters to send to Heritage without telling them and without making an inventory Correction - We are happy with the sales and think Heritage earned their commission. We think they are doing a good job and after this 2nd check clears, decide to send them more product. We are not aware of missing posters because in our conversations with Heritage, we are asked whether we want to sell these in Heritage's weekly auction. As our Star Wars sales are very good on ebay, we decline. We are told our posters are safely held as they are tagged and inventoried. 5. Several months later you are mad because they didn't tell you about the package you never told them was coming. Correction. After sending the 2nd batch, I call them to see when they are going to auction the new material we sent. Christ doesn't know what I am talking about promises to look into it. In our subsequent conversation, he states our posters have little value so they won't list them in the signature auction. To which, I ask, what about the Get Carter and Lennon poster knowing full well these two sold in the Feb. 2010 auction. 6. You argue about #2 and #5 for a while 7. Heritage says they sent you back everything they have.8. You say they didn't. Correction, see the following revised 6,7, 8 9. 6. We argue, I complain, Grey threatens me with a law suit for slander and libel. 7. It takes a couple of months to hire the right lawyer to protect us from slander and libel. I then air my grievances publicly. 8. Heritage offers to sell our future consignments without a commission, which we decline. Heritage then offers to donate the value of the Get Carter Lennon to charity, which we also decline. 9. Grey then sends back the inventory of ours he has -- and yes, that is when I get really mad. Upon opening the packages and seeing what was in it, I was furious. Of course, I immediately knew something was amiss because the shipping tubes were not the ones we had bought from Uline and shipped off our posters to Heritage in. In other words, our posters were unpacked and repacked. It was then I sat down and went through the Heritage file with a fine tooth comb. Am I raving mad right now? No, I'd say the work it takes to challenge a well-loved dealer whom most of you do business with regularly takes the uumph out of any anger. If anything, I am calmly rational now, knowing that we learned a good lesson which others can learn from also. From: Sean Linkenback s...@platinumposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi So to get the timeline correct: -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 09:15 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is
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Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? ** ** I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. ** ** Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. ** ** If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person.** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Duenas *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory ** ** Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t g ood enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences.*** * Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos *From:* Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory ** ** I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files
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Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed
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Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.netki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 tel:512%20479%206680512 479 6680 http://www.movieart.netwww.movieart.net mobile tel:512%20589%205112512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they
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hey folks.. I recently picked up 3 of the 4 door panels for A Big Hand For the Little Lady I need the 4th piece for the set.. does anyone have any of these door panels for sale?? Rich Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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If you are a scammer and the only beneficiary of your scam was the Red Cross, you are less inclined to try the same thing again. very well put Phillip ps: I do not believe that Geraldine is doing this. I believe she is angry lashing out at her apparent source of anger pps: I also think that Geraldine isn't looking at the issue objectively.. i.e. - Geraldine is not accepting any responsibility on her own for whatever mistakes she may have made in not preparing her own inventory Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Think Geraldine's been referring to the Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which gets over 3k. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Jun 2012, at 19:34, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
that does make a difference in calculation, but to be fair.. most trackable sales go as low as 2k and sometimes less depending on who's selling At 12:42 PM 6/5/2012, Richard C Evans wrote: Think Geraldine's been referring to the Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which gets over 3k. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Jun 2012, at 19:34, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art mailto:sa...@comic-art.comsa...@comic-art.com wrote: Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.netki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 tel:512%20479%206680512 479 6680 http://www.movieart.netwww.movieart.net mobile tel:512%20589%205112512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
I guess I just come at this from a different perspective, having never been in court or been sued or been arrested. I would not pay someone for something I did not do, but I guess that is just me. On the other hand, if Geraldine is simply lying, WHY is she doing so? What is she gaining by this? This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washigton, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine. Bruce On 6/5/12, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: that does make a difference in calculation, but to be fair.. most trackable sales go as low as 2k and sometimes less depending on who's selling At 12:42 PM 6/5/2012, Richard C Evans wrote: Think Geraldine's been referring to the Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which gets over 3k. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Jun 2012, at 19:34, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art mailto:sa...@comic-art.comsa...@comic-art.com wrote: Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.netki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 tel:512%20479%206680512 479 6680 http://www.movieart.netwww.movieart.net mobile tel:512%20589%205112512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
P.S. I have had consignors bring me 50 or 100 boxes of item with NO inventory at all. One guy sent me 50 boxes, and after I had sold five boxes worth, he called me up and said that the $5,000 he had received was more than he had expected, and he was very pleased! I told him we were 10% done, and over the next year he received over $55,000 more. I wonder how he would have been treated elsewhere, with no inventory, and nothing but his word against theirs as to what was sent. People ask me all the time how we get so many items consigned to us. Maybe all of the above is a major part of that answer. Bruce On 6/5/12, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I just come at this from a different perspective, having never been in court or been sued or been arrested. I would not pay someone for something I did not do, but I guess that is just me. On the other hand, if Geraldine is simply lying, WHY is she doing so? What is she gaining by this? This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washigton, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine. Bruce On 6/5/12, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: that does make a difference in calculation, but to be fair.. most trackable sales go as low as 2k and sometimes less depending on who's selling At 12:42 PM 6/5/2012, Richard C Evans wrote: Think Geraldine's been referring to the Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which gets over 3k. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Jun 2012, at 19:34, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art mailto:sa...@comic-art.comsa...@comic-art.com wrote: Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.netki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 tel:512%20479%206680512 479 6680 http://www.movieart.netwww.movieart.net mobile tel:512%20589%205112512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true,
[MOPO] Does anyone have this?
The commemorative one sheet done by, I believe, Jeff Killian for IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE? Must be in excellent condition but we might buy one. Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] WTB: A few 1-Sheets
Hi All, I am looking for U.S. 1-Sheets for the following titles: 12 Angry Men Inherit the Wind Judgment at Nuremberg Witness for the Prosecution The Verdict Please let me know what you have along with prices. Thanks, Lumi Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WTB: A few 1-Sheets
nice theme add. BOOMERANG michael In a message dated 6/5/2012 6:20:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lhascalov...@hotmail.com writes: Hi All, I am looking for U.S. 1-Sheets for the following titles: 12 Angry Men Inherit the Wind Judgment at Nuremberg Witness for the Prosecution The Verdict Please let me know what you have along with prices. Thanks, Lumi Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WTB: A few 1-Sheets
I can't help on the one-sheets, but I have both styles of 12 Angry Men half-sheet starting tonight. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael B dialmbb...@aol.com wrote: ** nice theme add. BOOMERANG michael In a message dated 6/5/2012 6:20:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lhascalov...@hotmail.com writes: Hi All, I am looking for U.S. 1-Sheets for the following titles: 12 Angry Men Inherit the Wind Judgment at Nuremberg Witness for the Prosecution The Verdict Please let me know what you have along with prices. Thanks, Lumi Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine.My goodness, no kidding. I wish people would stop extrapolating the motives of and/or speaking on behalf of Heritage. If it wants, it can chime in. All of these testimonials are sickening. I think Grey is a fine guy, but it's wild to read the genuflecting posts which give Heritage all the benefit of the doubt while casting Geraldine as a senile loon. On one hand people stop short of calling her a liar, but regardless of any errors she may have made (and it appears she has made a few) - it's also clear that a WAY-too-disproportionate number of rebuking' responses have come dealers - with only a few posts from collectors like Carlos, who has no dog in this race, yet who applauds the discussion of things that sometimes go awry in the hobby. If you are tired of this thread and/or want it to die on its own, stop responding. But some of you guys are unreal. (And geez, it's always the alpha-males who feel compelled to defend, rationalize or process the thoughts and actions of a guy most of us like - while simultaneously doing the same in an almost entirely adverse way against an outsider. The ratio of dealers posting their thoughts about consumer-related problems - feels like a rigged card deck that's stacked 10-to-1 against collectors. Lurkers can't feel good about the way this has played out on MoPo. And I'd bet more than a few who've quietly read some of the posts thus far - are taking mental notes of who they will buy, sell or consign their very valuable collections in the future. -d. -Original Message- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:10:29 -0500 From: brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I guess I just come at this from a different perspective, having never been in court or been sued or been arrested. I would not pay someone for something I did not do, but I guess that is just me. On the other hand, if Geraldine is simply lying, WHY is she doing so? What is she gaining by this? This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washigton, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine. Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go!
There are still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go! Since many of these are three-sheets or six-sheets, that's just 33 1/3 or 16 2/3 CENTS per sheet! How crazy is that? There are also some huge rarities that would likely go for fortunes in those big city auctions with the high reserves and buyers premiums, but because these are being auctioned from tiny West Plains MO, with only 8,000 bidders, there is no no telling how LOW some of these might go (especially because we ban all deadbeat bidders, and all auctions are the result of bids from two real bidders)/ Go to* http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/sort/4/13.html* to view them all before they start closing very soon! 1t016 DELIVERANCE int'l 24sh '72 art of hands holding shotgun canoe not on other U.S. posters!http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detailAuction_uid1=2585200https://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/large_size.php?lot=1t016 [image: Inline image 1] -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go!
P.S. I forgot to mention that we also have restrictive credit terms where we expect all buyers to actually pay for their winnings. You *KNOW *that drastically lowers the final prices and makes for even more great deals! On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.comwrote: There are still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go! Since many of these are three-sheets or six-sheets, that's just 33 1/3 or 16 2/3 CENTS per sheet! How crazy is that? There are also some huge rarities that would likely go for fortunes in those big city auctions with the high reserves and buyers premiums, but because these are being auctioned from tiny West Plains MO, with only 8,000 bidders, there is no no telling how LOW some of these might go (especially because we ban all deadbeat bidders, and all auctions are the result of bids from two real bidders)/ Go to* http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/sort/4/13.html* to view them all before they start closing very soon! 1t016 DELIVERANCE int'l 24sh '72 art of hands holding shotgun canoe not on other U.S. posters!http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detailAuction_uid1=2585200https://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/large_size.php?lot=1t016 [image: Inline image 1] -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
David I think you have mis-characterized what is going on this thread somewhat No one has accused Geraldine of anything, or at least I certainly haven't. Why has anyone other than Grey commented? well that's simple.. Geraldine has posted to a public forum with many members. I have seen both collectors and dealers comment and Grey himself commented to one of her earlier posts. Most posts have been pretty fair to both sides. I.E. none of us can know if Geraldine did or did not send the posters she declares are missing, or if she mistakenly stating that she has, not knowing these posters will be found at a later date in their home. In any case, her claim has a hard way to go. She stated pretty simply she got $11,000 for some poster that she did not know that Charlie sent or she sent or who knows who sent (as some much of her posts are somewhat confusing), so that says to me that she really isn't sure on any level what was sent as she thinks she sent some valuable poster, but had no idea she had actually sent a different and more valuable poster. She is also here, on MoPo, specifically for the purpose it seems of disparaging Rudy Heritage. Her posts are not benign by any stretch of the imagination and and it has been getting repeated continually for several weeks. I think it's only natural that quite a few people will chime in on such posts as they are designed to elicit a response from people. My suggestion to Geraldine would be that if she feels she has enough proof to show she did indeed send these posters, that she go to the forum that would produce a judgement in her favor: the courts system, or via direct negotiation with Heritage and that posting her problem here to MoPo would therefore not be the correct forum for her dispute. However I do not agree with some other people that she should not post on MoPo her dispute. She certainly can, but she will get a response from someone of course. Of course, we actually already know that she has negotiated with Heritage on the issue, Heritage disputes her claim, but offered to give to the charity of her choice the proposed value of these posters. We know all this not because Grey posted it, but because Geraldine posted it. None the less, it is apparent that Geraldine feels that she and not some charity should get the money for these posters that she says she sent, are not present on any inventory, and that Heritage says they did not receive them and it feels unseemly to them to pay her thousands of dollars for posters they don't believe she sent them. How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? At 03:42 PM 6/5/2012, you wrote: This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine. My goodness, no kidding. I wish people would stop extrapolating the motives of and/or speaking on behalf of Heritage. If it wants, it can chime in. All of these testimonials are sickening. I think Grey is a fine guy, but it's wild to read the genuflecting posts which give Heritage all the benefit of the doubt while casting Geraldine as a senile loon. On one hand people stop short of calling her a liar, but regardless of any errors she may have made (and it appears she has made a few) - it's also clear that a WAY-too-disproportionate number of rebuking' responses have come dealers - with only a few posts from collectors like Carlos, who has no dog in this race, yet who applauds the discussion of things that sometimes go awry in the hobby. If you are tired of this thread and/or want it to die on its own, stop responding. But some of you guys are unreal. (And geez, it's always the alpha-males who feel compelled to defend, rationalize or process the thoughts and actions of a guy most of us like - while simultaneously doing the same in an almost entirely adverse way against an outsider. The ratio of dealers posting their thoughts about consumer-related problems - feels like a rigged card deck that's stacked 10-to-1 against collectors. Lurkers can't feel good about the way this has played out on MoPo. And I'd bet more than a few who've quietly read some of the posts thus far - are taking mental notes of who they will buy, sell or consign their very valuable collections in the future. -d. -Original Message- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:10:29 -0500 From: brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I guess I just come at this from a different
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? Rich - * I don't need to guess how a third party might adjudicate this. To do so in Grey's direction would be prejudicial because he is a friend, therefore, my views cannot be realistically nor legally be accepted as objective nor impartial. My opinion does not matter. But since you asked, I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself. This is the method, coincidentally, that a person is also more likely to have success garnering media coverage - which I maintain is way more damaging to a company's long-term reputation and ability to retain market share - than a lawsuit involving monetary damages. If she took this to the media with others in tow, she could have fun with it even if she loses. * Do I think Heritage's offer is fair? It depends if it were you, not Geraldine, faced with this offer - and if you yourself thought it was fair. It's not for anyone to judge what's fair to you. Your next-door-neighbor who's not in the hobby might ask, however, why would an offer be extended in the absence of an infraction? We know the tactical reasons why legal settlements are reached - but such reasons remain fuzzy to the outside world. * Do I think it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposely libel Heritage without repercussions? These are YOUR words and YOUR opinion that she has committed libel - without you yourself physically being in Dallas nor at the location of Geraldine's home where the aforementioned dispute began. Your litmus test for libel is different from mine. Grey is arguably a public figure who is published routinely in articles circulated in the hobby. Therefore, a libel judgement (written) vs. a slander judgment (spoken) against a public figure - requires, 1) truth as determined by a third party, and 2) malicious execution with intent to harm from a person who DOES NOT view himself/herself, a) as being aggrieved in some way, nor, b) as suffering a material loss. To prove malice in a libel case involving a public figure requires doing harm just for the sake of doing harm - with NO other reason such as seeking a material remedy. Internet extortion is just as hard to prove as libel involving a public figure. This opinion comes from a person (me) - who has been threatened with libel and slander lawsuits more than 30 times during my news career - and who has never been successfully taken to court nor bled to death in legal fees. You've seen the stuff I write. I sometimes take things pretty far before I stop short to prevent getting hung by my own leash. * As to repercussions - the repercussions will be evident if Heritage chooses to file a counter-claim against Geraldine for libel on a published public forum. Everyone is responsible for his or her own words, as is stated on the disclaimer at the bottom of every PUBLIC MoPo post. If her attorneys believe she is writing libelous material, she might stop. Because she hasn't, I gather she's been told it's OK. * As to how this has unfolded at MoPo - it is my personal view that Geraldine should just post and people who are truly Heritage's friends should shut up. If you're not Heritage's friend - or if you don't know its people in person - post away. There are tactical reasons why Heritage hasn't posted much about this at MoPo. I've personally talked to Heritage about this. Quite candidly, public rebuttals from third parties to Geraldine's posts aren't doing the people in Dallas any favors. Most posts are just character testimonials and/or third-party opinions about Geraldine's actions vs. Heritage's. Note that I have NOT publicly commented on Heritage's behalf - point-by-point to Geraldine's charges as a few people, in my view, so ridiculously have. You may talk about this publicly all you want, but you should carefully weigh its impact on your own reputation as dealers (as it appears it is mostly dealers rushing to Heritage's defense) - as well as its impact on the squabbling parties involved. * In David vs. Goliath battles, I never dismiss the possibility that the little guy, despite everything - may still win. In the disproportional court of opinion at MoPo - it appears Geraldine is wrong and Heritage is right. But in the court of public opinion OUTSIDE of MoPo, I wouldn't be surprised if consumers would FEEL THE OPPOSITE, regardless of the facts. At the end of the day, favorable testimonials from dealers about other dealers - DON'T MATTER TO CONSUMERS - as much as favorable testimonials from
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
I was very impressed that Brek joined this fray, with nothing to gain whatsoever, Obviously he was motivated to post because he saw a person who has been repeated dumped on, solely for having alleged that they were treated in a certain way, and since he believes he had the same experience with the very same party, he felt compelled to write himself (and oddly, no one has challenged *HIS *version of the facts or *HIS *competence). Now, when this person is scorned yet again, David feels compelled to make a stand as well! I no longer think this resembles Mr, Smith Goes to Washington. It is far more similar to a classic scene from another movie, seen here: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReM* (please watch it through!) Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:46 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.comwrote: *How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions?* *Rich - * I don't need to guess how a third party might adjudicate this. To do so in Grey's direction would be prejudicial because he is a friend, therefore, my views cannot be realistically nor legally be accepted as objective nor impartial. My opinion does not matter. But since you asked, I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself. This is the method, coincidentally, that a person is also more likely to have success garnering media coverage - which I maintain is way more damaging to a company's long-term reputation and ability to retain market share - than a lawsuit involving monetary damages. If she took this to the media with others in tow, she could have fun with it even if she loses. * Do I think Heritage's offer is fair? It depends if it were you, not Geraldine, faced with this offer - and if you yourself thought it was fair. It's not for anyone to judge what's fair to you. Your next-door-neighbor who's not in the hobby might ask, however, why would an offer be extended in the absence of an infraction? We know the tactical reasons why legal settlements are reached - but such reasons remain fuzzy to the outside world. * Do I think it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposely libel Heritage without repercussions? These are YOUR words and YOUR opinion that she has committed libel - without you yourself physically being in Dallas nor at the location of Geraldine's home where the aforementioned dispute began. Your litmus test for libel is different from mine. Grey is arguably a public figure who is published routinely in articles circulated in the hobby. Therefore, a libel judgement (written) vs. a slander judgment (spoken) against a public figure - requires, 1) truth as determined by a third party, and 2) malicious execution with intent to harm from a person who DOES NOT view himself/herself, a) as being aggrieved in some way, nor, b) as suffering a material loss. To prove malice in a libel case involving a public figure requires doing harm just for the sake of doing harm - with NO other reason such as seeking a material remedy. Internet extortion is just as hard to prove as libel involving a public figure. This opinion comes from a person (me) - who has been threatened with libel and slander lawsuits more than 30 times during my news career - and who has never been successfully taken to court nor bled to death in legal fees. You've seen the stuff I write. I sometimes take things pretty far before I stop short to prevent getting hung by my own leash. * As to repercussions - the repercussions will be evident if Heritage chooses to file a counter-claim against Geraldine for libel on a published public forum. Everyone is responsible for his or her own words, as is stated on the disclaimer at the bottom of every PUBLIC MoPo post. If her attorneys believe she is writing libelous material, she might stop. Because she hasn't, I gather she's been told it's OK. * **As to how this has unfolded at MoPo - it is my personal view that Geraldine should just post and people who are truly Heritage's friends should shut up. If you're not Heritage's friend - or if you don't know its people in person - post away. There are tactical reasons why Heritage hasn't posted much about this at MoPo. I've personally talked to Heritage about this. Quite candidly, public rebuttals from third parties to Geraldine's posts aren't doing the people in Dallas any favors. Most posts are just character testimonials and/or third-party opinions about Geraldine's actions vs. Heritage's. Note that I have NOT publicly commented on Heritage's behalf - point-by-point to Geraldine's charges as a few people,
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
That's a pretty funny video, Bruce. Nelson Eddy as an historical Andy Hardy rallying people to a cause that at first, no one wants to join. Almost like High Noon but without the same results. (Too bad Gary Cooper couldn't sing.) Thanks for posting! I try to be fair but Rich publicly called me out by name on MoPo (which is pretty rare) - so I decided for a moment whether to let my older post stand - or to respond directly to his challenge about fairness and issues relating to libel, the latter I know a whole lot about from personal experience. As someone else pointed out to me privately, ...you're right, people just pile on without knowing particularly what they are really talking about. Because these same people can only get their 'facts' from what is posted here. That's a perfect reflection of how I feel about this whole squabble. -d. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:12:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu I was very impressed that Brek joined this fray, with nothing to gain whatsoever, Obviously he was motivated to post because he saw a person who has been repeated dumped on, solely for having alleged that they were treated in a certain way, and since he believes he had the same experience with the very same party, he felt compelled to write himself (and oddly, no one has challenged HIS version of the facts or HIS competence). Now, when this person is scorned yet again, David feels compelled to make a stand as well! I no longer think this resembles Mr, Smith Goes to Washington. It is far more similar to a classic scene from another movie, seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReM (please watch it through!) Bruce Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:46:37 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? Rich - * I don't need to guess how a third party might adjudicate this. To do so in Grey's direction would be prejudicial because he is a friend, therefore, my views cannot be realistically nor legally be accepted as objective nor impartial. My opinion does not matter. But since you asked, I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself. This is the method, coincidentally, that a person is also more likely to have success garnering media coverage - which I maintain is way more damaging to a company's long-term reputation and ability to retain market share - than a lawsuit involving monetary damages. If she took this to the media with others in tow, she could have fun with it even if she loses. * Do I think Heritage's offer is fair? It depends if it were you, not Geraldine, faced with this offer - and if you yourself thought it was fair. It's not for anyone to judge what's fair to you. Your next-door-neighbor who's not in the hobby might ask, however, why would an offer be extended in the absence of an infraction? We know the tactical reasons why legal settlements are reached - but such reasons remain fuzzy to the outside world. * Do I think it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposely libel Heritage without repercussions? These are YOUR words and YOUR opinion that she has committed libel - without you yourself physically being in Dallas nor at the location of Geraldine's home where the aforementioned dispute began. Your litmus test for libel is different from mine. Grey is arguably a public figure who is published routinely in articles circulated in the hobby. Therefore, a libel judgement (written) vs. a slander judgment (spoken) against a public figure - requires, 1) truth as determined by a third party, and 2) malicious execution with intent to harm from a person who DOES NOT view himself/herself, a) as being aggrieved in some way, nor, b) as suffering a material loss. To prove malice in a libel case involving a public figure requires doing harm just for the sake of doing harm - with NO other reason such as seeking a material remedy. Internet extortion is just as hard to prove as libel involving a public figure. This opinion comes from a person (me) - who has been threatened with libel and slander lawsuits more than 30 times during my news career - and who has never been successfully taken to court nor bled to death in legal fees. You've seen the stuff I write. I sometimes take things pretty far before I stop short to prevent getting hung by my own leash. * As to
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
David I was after all responding to your email specifically. whose name did you think I would use?? (said with a humorous twist as you know you are my pal) I only have a minute as I have auctions still listing.. but concerning this particular quote: I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself I agree with you.. but that's because based on everything she's said about this issue to date convinces me that she has absolutely no chance of getting a beneficial adjudication otherwise, be it in front of a judge or an arbitrator. so even a 1% chance of winning in a class is better than no chance of winning otherwise. she may also have damaged her case due to the way she posted here about this issue.. Not about posting itself, but the manner in which she has posted for instanc e, I believe she has only posted this issue each time Rudy has posted about something else. as if she was stalking Rudy so she could post. then it is pretty obvious that her intent is to disparage, which any court or arbitrator frowns upon It's easy to understand she feels she has been screwed, however there is no proof put forth, and that makes it awful hard to find for her. you can't always win David and sometimes you do have to settle for what you can get and Bruce.. why should you be surprised Brek chimed in? he had something pertinent to say.. But everyone needs to remember something.. this is a PUBLIC FORUM.. it invites comment. I wish more people would comment At 07:35 PM 6/5/2012, David Kusumoto wrote: That's a pretty funny video, Bruce. Nelson Eddy as an historical Andy Hardy rallying people to a cause that at first, no one wants to join. Almost like High Noon but without the same results. (Too bad Gary Cooper couldn't sing.) Thanks for posting! I try to be fair but Rich publicly called me out by name on MoPo (which is pretty rare) - so I decided for a moment whether to let my older post stand - or to respond directly to his challenge about fairness and issues relating to libel, the latter I know a whole lot about from personal experience. As someone else pointed out to me privately, ...you're right, people just pile on without knowing particularly what they are really talking about. Because these same people can only get their 'facts' from what is posted here. That's a perfect reflection of how I feel about this whole squabble. -d. -- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:12:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu I was very impressed that Brek joined this fray, with nothing to gain whatsoever, Obviously he was motivated to post because he saw a person who has been repeated dumped on, solely for having alleged that they were treated in a certain way, and since he believes he had the same experience with the very same party, he felt compelled to write himself (and oddly, no one has challenged HIS version of the facts or HIS competence). Now, when this person is scorned yet again, David feels compelled to make a stand as well! I no longer think this resembles Mr, Smith Goes to Washington. It is far more similar to a classic scene from another movie, seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReM (please watch it through!) Bruce -- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:46:37 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? Rich - * I don't need to guess how a third party might adjudicate this. To do so in Grey's direction would be prejudicial because he is a friend, therefore, my views cannot be realistically nor legally be accepted as objective nor impartial. My opinion does not matter. But since you asked, I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself. This is the method, coincidentally, that a person is also more likely to have success garnering media coverage - which I maintain is way more damaging to a company's long-term reputation and ability to retain market share - than a lawsuit involving monetary damages. If she took this to the media with others in tow, she could have fun with it even if she loses. * Do I think Heritage's offer is fair? It depends if it were you, not Geraldine, faced with this offer - and if you yourself thought it was fair. It's not for anyone to judge what's fair to you.
[MOPO] FS: BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN - 1953 RealArt - Universal Horror, Karloff
Hey Gang, Just wanted to let yo all know that I am selling a 1953 RealArt re-release poster for the 1935 Universal Horror film Bride of Frankenstein starring Boris Karloff. The poster has been linen-backed and lightly touched up on foldlines, the condition prior to backing was Very Fine/Excellent. The artwork is vivid, beautiful, stunning, and horrific all at once. The poster was FRAMED by Sue Heim at Hollywoodposterframes a few years ago, and can be shipped framed or unframed - buyers choice. Bride of Frankenstein is arguably the best of the Universal Horror films, and this poster is arguably the best poster for this title which is still affordable to most collectors. This poster does not come up often, you may want to consider this one. I am asking $3625, or best offer - serious inquiries only. Any reasonable offer will likely be accepted. Email me by responding to this message (please do not respond to entire MoPo board unless that is your intention). The poster is located in California and may be able to be delivered locally. If necessary we can use the ebay or MPB system, but I will NOT accept PayPal for payment. I have been on MoPo and eBay over a decade and have had many great exchanges with many on the board over the years. Pictures at photobucket: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/cinemadude/image.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/cinemadude/image4.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/cinemadude/image3.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/cinemadude/image2.jpg Thanks for looking, Gary - aka oldtimecinema-com on ebay Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go!
Wow, Bruce. That Deliverance poster is a beauty! From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tue, June 5, 2012 4:27:23 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go! P.S. I forgot to mention that we also have restrictive credit terms where we expect all buyers to actually pay for their winnings. You KNOW that drastically lowers the final prices and makes for even more great deals! On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com wrote: There are still 97 of the 866 three-sheets, six-sheets, Argentineans, Italians, and other oversized posters at $1 with minutes to go! Since many of these are three-sheets or six-sheets, that's just 33 1/3 or 16 2/3 CENTS per sheet! How crazy is that? There are also some huge rarities that would likely go for fortunes in those big city auctions with the high reserves and buyers premiums, but because these are being auctioned from tiny West Plains MO, with only 8,000 bidders, there is no no telling how LOW some of these might go (especially because we ban all deadbeat bidders, and all auctions are the result of bids from two real bidders)/ Go tohttp://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/sort/4/13.html to view them all before they start closing very soon! 1t016 DELIVERANCE int'l 24sh '72 art of hands holding shotgun canoe not on other U.S. posters! -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
