[MOPO] 2001 snorefest and the Windsor Cinerama...
Further following the moon monolith's mind-bending emanations, here is a story about the Kubrick classic's premiere at the Windsor Cinerama in 1968 that appeared in a 2008 online edition of the Houston Chronicle http://blogs.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/04/2001_a_houston_odyssey_looking_1.html Earl Blair CAPTAIN BIJOU www.captainbijou.com - Original Message - From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Windsor Cinerama in Houston in 70MM single lens Cinerama and I was stunned. All I can say is you had to be there. It was the highest of HIFI experiences at that time. Today parts of it look quaint and parts of it are splendid. But at the time the quaint parts were seen as smart futurism and the splendid parts were, well, mind blowing. (Who could have foreseen at that time that the real future in 2001 was Thugs on a Plane.) The truth is, however that forty something years later, like METROPOLIS and other films before it which might also be regarded as dated, it is still being talked about, still being presented, still being lionized and still being ineptly labeled as a snorefest. It had it's detractors in 1968, too. But many more who thought it sensational. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:15 AM, dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com wrote: I had a 16mm scope film print Of 2001 I would watch with my son... for me the Film was very convoluted yet it also had so many statements that made sense years later. the pace was slow compared to the modern day fast edit we are used to. I never fully understood the film although the cinematography was excellent and it was very original. Recently I made some Clappers and memorabilia for a event in Boston for Douglas Trumbull who did the special effects and also did Star wars and the I remember Brainstorm with Natalie wood that used a process where the film was sped up to create like a Imax effect or HD on Film, I think 2001 was one of the First to cover many sci fi milestones in technical achievements by Doug Trumbull Original Message From: filmfantast...@msn.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:59:28 + I have talked with many collectors who don't like 2001 and descriptions such as boring, monotonous, and a waste of time have been uttered. For me, personally, I think it is a masterpiece, but I also saw it in it's original release and I do read science fiction. I think many people seeing it for the first time in more recent years, who have been lulled into believing a sci-fi movie is all about fast paced editing and over the top special effects to bombard you with stimuli, might find 2001 boring. So, to each his own. I do have to disagree with you Dave on Spartacus. I think it is one of the best historical period pieces ever made and an incredible love story. A couple of years ago AFI screened it here in L.A. and Kirk Douglas introduced the movie. It was even more incredible on the big screen at Cinerama. Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 10:46:38 -0500 From: hah...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I love everything Kubrick did from The Killing right up to and including 2001 (though Spartacus, because it is a conventional 50s spear-and-sandal flick, is a little weak). But after 2001, with every succeeding movie, some of the magic seemed to fade. Dave - Original Message - From: Bruce Hershenson To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest I thought 2001 was one of the more uneven movies I have ever seen, with some great sequences and some ultra-tedious ones. I felt similarly about Full Metal Jacket and Barry Lyndon. But I was completely left in the dark by Eyes Wide Shut. Give me the Kubrick that made The Killing, Paths of Glory, Lolita, and Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb I consider them all absolute masterpieces. Sometimes achieving great success allows a director too much control over their movies, and that can be a bad thing. Bruce On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Phil Edwards p...@cinemarts.com wrote: Yes, but you READ SF. Over the years it has struck me that most people who dislike this film do so because they don't get it. There's actually nothing to get but plenty to read into it, just like SF literature, if one has a mind to. - Original Message - From: Ari Richards To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest I have a good friend, whose taste I usually agree with, and he also HATES 2001. Actually
Re: [MOPO] 2001 snorefest and the Windsor Cinerama...
Wonderful article, Earl. I can tell you that this theater was the best I have ever seen a film in, and I include the Pacific Cinerama dome, and the Cinerama theaters in Seattle as well. I saw DOCTOR ZHIVAGO, OLIVER!, KHARTOUM, THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE and 2001 there. These films were great for that venue. ZHIVAGO was shot in 35mm and blown to 70, and looked great. Sometimes they would show 35mm stuff there and the result was not always the best. I recall BECKET looking a little distorted. The last film I remember seeing there was THE GO BETWEEN, and I wondered at the time: Why? It later became a disco, and I heard, though I never witnessed i,t that they would project scrap film while the patrons were dancing. Can anyone confirm this? It was a stellar movie-going experience. I saw SPARTACUS at the Century City in L.A. when they refurbished the film, and it looked great. But as far as a facility, nothing touched the Windsor. And the SOUND was super. Loud with great dynamic range when 70mm was the source -- but never drilling and harsh like the worst of these digital rigs can sometimes be. Kirby www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Captain Bijou wrote: Further following the moon monolith's mind-bending emanations, here is a story about the Kubrick classic's premiere at the Windsor Cinerama in 1968 that appeared in a 2008 online edition of the Houston Chronicle http://blogs.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/04/2001_a_houston_odyssey_looking_1.html Earl Blair CAPTAIN BIJOU www.captainbijou.com - Original Message - From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Windsor Cinerama in Houston in 70MM single lens Cinerama and I was stunned. All I can say is you had to be there. It was the highest of HIFI experiences at that time. Today parts of it look quaint and parts of it are splendid. But at the time the quaint parts were seen as smart futurism and the splendid parts were, well, mind blowing. (Who could have foreseen at that time that the real future in 2001 was Thugs on a Plane.) The truth is, however that forty something years later, like METROPOLIS and other films before it which might also be regarded as dated, it is still being talked about, still being presented, still being lionized and still being ineptly labeled as a snorefest. It had it's detractors in 1968, too. But many more who thought it sensational. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:15 AM, dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com wrote: I had a 16mm scope film print Of 2001 I would watch with my son... for me the Film was very convoluted yet it also had so many statements that made sense years later. the pace was slow compared to the modern day fast edit we are used to. I never fully understood the film although the cinematography was excellent and it was very original. Recently I made some Clappers and memorabilia for a event in Boston for Douglas Trumbull who did the special effects and also did Star wars and the I remember Brainstorm with Natalie wood that used a process where the film was sped up to create like a Imax effect or HD on Film, I think 2001 was one of the First to cover many sci fi milestones in technical achievements by Doug Trumbull Original Message From: filmfantast...@msn.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:59:28 + I have talked with many collectors who don't like 2001 and descriptions such as boring, monotonous, and a waste of time have been uttered. For me, personally, I think it is a masterpiece, but I also saw it in it's original release and I do read science fiction. I think many people seeing it for the first time in more recent years, who have been lulled into believing a sci-fi movie is all about fast paced editing and over the top special effects to bombard you with stimuli, might find 2001 boring. So, to each his own. I do have to disagree with you Dave on Spartacus. I think it is one of the best historical period pieces ever made and an incredible love story. A couple of years ago AFI screened it here in L.A. and Kirk Douglas introduced the movie. It was even more incredible on the big screen at Cinerama. Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 10:46:38 -0500 From: hah...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I love everything Kubrick did from The Killing right up to and including 2001 (though Spartacus, because it is a conventional 50s spear-and-sandal flick, is a little weak). But after 2001, with every succeeding movie, some of the magic seemed to fade. Dave - Original Message - From:
Re: [MOPO] 2001 snorefest and the Windsor Cinerama...
Cinerama films that played at the Windsor and other Cinerama theatres in Houston: http://cinematreasures.org/news/19735_0_1_0_M/ Premiere of 2001 at the Windsor: http://www.examiner.com/history-in-houston/the-windsor-cinerama-theater-photo Pictures of the theatre: http://books.google.com/books?id=R6XDCyvuGSkCpg=PA230lpg=PA230dq=windsor+cinerama+theatre+houstonsource=blots=Jy6FRZyt01sig=_0s1eVl6M4sGJOH69Y6ivQZmYlohl=enei=7tNyTdicJ4OKlwfu-9A9sa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=7ved=0CEIQ6AEwBg#v=onepageq=windsor%20cinerama%20theatre%20houstonf=false From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 6:07:47 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] 2001 snorefest and the Windsor Cinerama... Wonderful article, Earl. I can tell you that this theater was the best I have ever seen a film in, and I include the Pacific Cinerama dome, and the Cinerama theaters in Seattle as well. I saw DOCTOR ZHIVAGO, OLIVER!, KHARTOUM, THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE and 2001 there. These films were great for that venue. ZHIVAGO was shot in 35mm and blown to 70, and looked great. Sometimes they would show 35mm stuff there and the result was not always the best. I recall BECKET looking a little distorted. The last film I remember seeing there was THE GO BETWEEN, and I wondered at the time: Why? It later became a disco, and I heard, though I never witnessed i,t that they would project scrap film while the patrons were dancing. Can anyone confirm this? It was a stellar movie-going experience. I saw SPARTACUS at the Century City in L.A. when they refurbished the film, and it looked great. But as far as a facility, nothing touched the Windsor. And the SOUND was super. Loud with great dynamic range when 70mm was the source -- but never drilling and harsh like the worst of these digital rigs can sometimes be. Kirby www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Captain Bijou wrote: Further following the moon monolith's mind-bending emanations, here is a story about the Kubrick classic's premiere at the Windsor Cinerama in 1968 that appeared in a 2008 online edition of the Houston Chronicle http://blogs.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/04/2001_a_houston_odyssey_looking_1.html l Earl Blair CAPTAIN BIJOU www.captainbijou.com - Original Message - From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Windsor Cinerama in Houston in 70MM single lens Cinerama and I was stunned. All I can say is you had to be there. It was the highest of HIFI experiences at that time. Today parts of it look quaint and parts of it are splendid. But at the time the quaint parts were seen as smart futurism and the splendid parts were, well, mind blowing. (Who could have foreseen at that time that the real future in 2001 was Thugs on a Plane.) The truth is, however that forty something years later, like METROPOLIS and other films before it which might also be regarded as dated, it is still being talked about, still being presented, still being lionized and still being ineptly labeled as a snorefest. It had it's detractors in 1968, too. But many more who thought it sensational. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:15 AM, dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com wrote: I had a 16mm scope film print Of 2001 I would watch with my son... for me the Film was very convoluted yet it also had so many statements that made sense years later. the pace was slow compared to the modern day fast edit we are used to. I never fully understood the film although the cinematography was excellent and it was very original. Recently I made some Clappers and memorabilia for a event in Boston for Douglas Trumbull who did the special effects and also did Star wars and the I remember Brainstorm with Natalie wood that used a process where the film was sped up to create like a Imax effect or HD on Film, I think 2001 was one of the First to cover many sci fi milestones in technical achievements by Doug Trumbull Original Message From: filmfantast...@msn.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:59:28 + I have talked with many collectors who don't like 2001 and descriptions such as boring, monotonous, and a waste of time have been uttered. For me, personally, I think it is a masterpiece, but I also saw it in it's original release and I do read science fiction. I think many people seeing it for the first time in more recent years, who have been lulled into believing a sci-fi movie is all about fast paced editing and over the top special effects to bombard you with stimuli, might find 2001 boring. So, to each his own. I do have to disagree with you Dave
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Kirby, Earl I lived in Houston from '63 thru '69 and one of my most vivid and probably first movie going experiences in that city was seeing It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World in Cinerama in 1963 at the Windsor. I was six years old and I remember being blown away, no doubt thinking, this must be what all movies were like in this big city! I later saw Dr. Zhivago there and really enjoying that epic. I vividly remember 2001 being there for quite a long time, and asking my mother if I could see it and her telling me something like, Oh, you wouldn't like it. I was 11 years old and she was probably right at that time. On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: Wonderful article, Earl. I can tell you that this theater was the best I have ever seen a film in, and I include the Pacific Cinerama dome, and the Cinerama theaters in Seattle as well. I saw DOCTOR ZHIVAGO, OLIVER!, KHARTOUM, THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE and 2001 there. These films were great for that venue. ZHIVAGO was shot in 35mm and blown to 70, and looked great. Sometimes they would show 35mm stuff there and the result was not always the best. I recall BECKET looking a little distorted. The last film I remember seeing there was THE GO BETWEEN, and I wondered at the time: Why? It later became a disco, and I heard, though I never witnessed i,t that they would project scrap film while the patrons were dancing. Can anyone confirm this? It was a stellar movie-going experience. I saw SPARTACUS at the Century City in L.A. when they refurbished the film, and it looked great. But as far as a facility, nothing touched the Windsor. And the SOUND was super. Loud with great dynamic range when 70mm was the source -- but never drilling and harsh like the worst of these digital rigs can sometimes be. Kirby www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Captain Bijou wrote: Further following the moon monolith's mind-bending emanations, here is a story about the Kubrick classic's premiere at the Windsor Cinerama in 1968 that appeared in a 2008 online edition of the Houston Chronicle http://blogs.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/04/2001_a_houston_odyssey_looking_1.html Earl Blair CAPTAIN BIJOU www.captainbijou.com - Original Message - From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Windsor Cinerama in Houston in 70MM single lens Cinerama and I was stunned. All I can say is you had to be there. It was the highest of HIFI experiences at that time. Today parts of it look quaint and parts of it are splendid. But at the time the quaint parts were seen as smart futurism and the splendid parts were, well, mind blowing. (Who could have foreseen at that time that the real future in 2001 was Thugs on a Plane.) The truth is, however that forty something years later, like METROPOLIS and other films before it which might also be regarded as dated, it is still being talked about, still being presented, still being lionized and still being ineptly labeled as a snorefest. It had it's detractors in 1968, too. But many more who thought it sensational. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:15 AM, dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com wrote: I had a 16mm scope film print Of 2001 I would watch with my son... for me the Film was very convoluted yet it also had so many statements that made sense years later. the pace was slow compared to the modern day fast edit we are used to. I never fully understood the film although the cinematography was excellent and it was very original. Recently I made some Clappers and memorabilia for a event in Boston for Douglas Trumbull who did the special effects and also did Star wars and the I remember Brainstorm with Natalie wood that used a process where the film was sped up to create like a Imax effect or HD on Film, I think 2001 was one of the First to cover many sci fi milestones in technical achievements by Doug Trumbull Original Message From: filmfantast...@msn.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] My Friend Say 2001 is a snorefest Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:59:28 + I have talked with many collectors who don't like 2001 and descriptions such as boring, monotonous, and a waste of time have been uttered. For me, personally, I think it is a masterpiece, but I also saw it in it's original release and I do read science fiction. I think many people seeing it for the first time in more recent years, who have been lulled into believing a sci-fi movie is all about fast paced editing and over the top special effects to bombard you with stimuli, might find 2001 boring. So, to each his own. I do have to disagree with you Dave on Spartacus. I think it is one of the best historical period pieces ever made and
