Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
I dunno... why are we all still pretending that on a modern release that the number of posters printed has *any* relation to the number of screens it plays on? Hasn't anyone gone to www.Moviegoods.com lately? Take a look at their new-release poster offerings for any blockbuster release of the last few years. They've got the original Style A and B 27x41 double-sided one-sheets and plenty of other sizes as well for $9.95 to $19.95 -- as many as you and anyone else in the world cares to order, guaranteed original because they come from the same studio printer as the ones that were sent out to the theaters. And there are plenty of other poster sellers large and small who can offer you the same deal. The studios considers commercial poster sales to the public to be part of the business these days. Anyone with a bit of effort can set themselves up to buy current-release originals direct from the studio's marketing units at wholesale, by the tube-full. On a blockbuster there are ea! sily tens of thousands of original posters being printed up for the aftermarket that are never intended to see the inside of a theater lightbox, but which are nonetheless completely indistinguishable from the ones that did (because there is no difference). No one will be bothering to print fakes of PIRATES or SUPERMAN RETURNS or Jackson's KING KONG or any of the others in the future because the market will be glutted with genuine originals at $9.95 for the next 100 years. By the way, I'm not willing to count the PIRATES opening as a true record-breaker. The reports are that it opened in on more than 8,000 screens, whereas SPIDER MAN only opened on about 3,000 screens in its first week. It's easy to break an opening week record if you almost triple the number of screens on opening night. I heard some young people complaining about the ending of DEAD MAN'S CHEST... anyone have any thoughts on that? -- JR - Original Message - From: Phil Edwards Cinema Arts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 0:48 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates Auction results on Super Fleabay will depend on whose auctions and what pirates there are then. So if there's 19,000 one sheets (and this does NOT include the internationals) and is a VERY conservative estimate, how many fakeroonies are also out there muddying the waters of the Caribbean? I've got 50 and laminated them all to preserve them and get ahead on this slabbing bullshit thing. Phil Todd Feiertag wrote: */Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what?/* /**/ On Fleabay which will be called SuperFleabay by then, the poster should be worth a negative -$2.00 but at auction it should go for $100.00. Todd*/ /* - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:55 PM *Subject:* [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates .and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
If its showing on 8500 screens I would estimate a higher production number, maybe 4 posters per screen for inside display and two foroutsidedisplays. It was showing on 4 of the 16 screens at one of the large multiplexes here and I counted 12 posters inside alone, and I wasn't really looking for them. Although showing only on one screen out of four I would have ordered 10 of each. Soon I will personally find out if that is possible when my little four screen theater opens in september.-Original Message-From: Phil Edwards Cinema Arts [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUSent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:48:41 +1000Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates Auction results on Super Fleabay will depend on whose auctions and what pirates there are then.So if there's 19,000 one sheets (and this does NOT include the internationals) and is a VERY conservative estimate, how many fakeroonies are also out there muddying the waters of the Caribbean?I've got 50 and laminated them all to preserve them and get ahead on this slabbing bullshit thing.PhilTodd Feiertag wrote: */"Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what?"/* /**/ On Fleabay which will be called SuperFleabay by then, the poster should be worth a negative -$2.00 but at auction it should go for $100.00. Todd*/ /* - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:55 PM *Subject:* [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates .and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what? By the way did anyone notice and congratulate MOPO's own Rudy Franchi's Emmy Nomination for Best Reality Show? His show up ended such programs as CHEERLEADER NATION, DANCING WITH THE STARS, ROLLER GIRLS, COUNTDOWN TO LOCKDOWN, FILTHY RICH, ULTIMATE COYOTE UGLY SEARCH, WIFE SWAP, and ANIMALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Congratulations Rudy for this auspicious recognition. Who knows a new collectible may be on the horizon for you! /Yo ho, yo ho. A pirate's life for… everyone./ Or so it seems after *Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=piratesofthecaribbean2.htm* plundered the record books with an estimated $132 million opening weekend, swatting *Spider-Man http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm*'s long standing $114.8 million milestone atop the all time chart. Buena Vista's swarthy sequel marauded over 8,500 screens at 4,133 sites—the third widest debut ever—compared to *Spider-Man*'s 7,500 screens at 3,615 sites, though *Pirates*' estimated 20 million admissions out-paced Spidey by only a hair. *Pirates* pilfered a trove of records, but the key ones, in addition to opening weekend, were biggest single and opening day and fastest to $100 million. On Friday, *Dead Man's Chest* raked in $55.5 million (including $9 million's worth of 2,100 midnight showings), eclipsing *Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars3.htm*'s $50 million and grossing more in one day than its predecessor, *The Curse of the Black Pearl*, did in its entire opening weekend. *Dead Man's Chest* also became the first picture to cross the century mark in two days flat.freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
So, I take it that everyone wants to continue to pretend that the number of original posters a studio prints up for a new release -- particularly a blockbuster -- is only the amount they figure they need to send to the theaters, then? The dealers want to go onclaiming that the number of original posters for these releases is somehow "limited", that only a few are snuck out of the system by brave bands of guerrilla poster liberations operatives and into the hands of collectors? And that in the futureposters for new filmsare going to be "hard to come by" and "valuable collectibles"like posters from the 1980's and earlier? OK,I guess... but someone is going to have to get the word out to MovieGoods.com and the other big internet wholesalers. I note that they currently have originals of DEAD MAN'S CHEST for $29.99 (hmmm... they upped their usual price from $19.99 for this opening week hype...) but they are *also* offering the Style A *single-sided* as an original for the same price? I thought the studios no longer printed single-sided forthe theaters? Am I wrong about that? Of course, they also list a same-size "reproduction" of the Style A for $14.99 -- which as far as I can tell is indistinguishable from the "original". Are we supposed to believe that someone other than the studiowas printing up "reproductions" for this thing *before* it was ever released? C'mon... all of this stuff is coming out of the same studio-authorized printing operation that printed up the posters now hanging in the theater lightboxes, and they are crankingthem out by the hundreds of thousands. -- JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:14 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates If its showing on 8500 screens I would estimate a higher production number, maybe 4 posters per screen for inside display and two foroutsidedisplays. It was showing on 4 of the 16 screens at one of the large multiplexes here and I counted 12 posters inside alone, and I wasn't really looking for them. Although showing only on one screen out of four I would have ordered 10 of each. Soon I will personally find out if that is possible when my little four screen theater opens in september.-Original Message-From: Phil Edwards Cinema Arts [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUSent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:48:41 +1000Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates Auction results on Super Fleabay will depend on whose auctions and what pirates there are then.So if there's 19,000 one sheets (and this does NOT include the internationals) and is a VERY conservative estimate, how many fakeroonies are also out there muddying the waters of the Caribbean?I've got 50 and laminated them all to preserve them and get ahead on this slabbing bullshit thing.PhilTodd Feiertag wrote: */"Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what?"/* /**/ On Fleabay which will be called SuperFleabay by then, the poster should be worth a negative -$2.00 but at auction it should go for $100.00. Todd*/ /* - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:55 PM *Subject:* [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates .and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what? By the way did anyone notice and congratulate MOPO's own Rudy Franchi's Emmy Nomination for Best Reality Show? His show up ended such programs as CHEERLEADER NATION, DANCING WITH THE STARS, ROLLER GIRLS, COUNTDOWN TO LOCKDOWN, FILTHY RICH, ULTIMATE COYOTE UGLY SEARCH, WIFE SWAP, and ANIMALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Congratulations Rudy for this auspicious recognition. Who knows a new collectible may be on the horizon for you! /Yo ho, yo ho. A pirate's life for⦠everyone./ Or so it seems after *Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=piratesofthecaribbean2.htm* plundered the record books with an estimated $132 million opening weekend, swatting *Spider-Man http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm*'s long standing $114.8 million milestone atop the all time chart. Buena Vista's swarthy sequel marauded over 8,500 screens at 4,133 sitesâthe third widest debut everâcompared to *Spider-Man*'s 7,500 screens at 3,615 sites, though *Pirates*' estimated 20 million admissions out-paced Spidey by only a hair. *Pirates* pilfered a trove of records, but the key ones, in addition to ope
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
JR I dont kow about other companies, but Miramax still prints single sided posters - mostly for the international market. also, Moviegoods prints out their own repros, ONE-AT-A-TIME on order in their warehouse here in Vegas Rich== At 10:37 AM 7/10/2006, JR wrote: So, I take it that everyone wants to continue to pretend that the number of original posters a studio prints up for a new release -- particularly a blockbuster -- is only the amount they figure they need to send to the theaters, then? The dealers want to go on claiming that the number of original posters for these releases is somehow limited, that only a few are snuck out of the system by brave bands of guerrilla poster liberations operatives and into the hands of collectors? And that in the future posters for new films are going to be hard to come by and valuable collectibles like posters from the 1980's and earlier? OK, I guess... but someone is going to have to get the word out to MovieGoods.com and the other big internet wholesalers. I note that they currently have originals of DEAD MAN'S CHEST for $29.99 (hmmm... they upped their usual price from $19.99 for this opening week hype...) but they are *also* offering the Style A *single-sided* as an original for the same price? I thought the studios no longer printed single-sided for the theaters? Am I wrong about that? Of course, they also list a same-size reproduction of the Style A for $14.99 -- which as far as I can tell is indistinguishable from the original. Are we supposed to believe that someone other than the studio was printing up reproductions for this thing *before* it was ever released? C'mon... all of this stuff is coming out of the same studio-authorized printing operation that printed up the posters now hanging in the theater lightboxes, and they are cranking them out by the hundreds of thousands. -- JR - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:14 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates If its showing on 8500 screens I would estimate a higher production number, maybe 4 posters per screen for inside display and two for outside displays. It was showing on 4 of the 16 screens at one of the large multiplexes here and I counted 12 posters inside alone, and I wasn't really looking for them. Although showing only on one screen out of four I would have ordered 10 of each. Soon I will personally find out if that is possible when my little four screen theater opens in september. -Original Message- From: Phil Edwards Cinema Arts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:48:41 +1000 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates Auction results on Super Fleabay will depend on whose auctions and what pirates there are then. So if there's 19,000 one sheets (and this does NOT include the internationals) and is a VERY conservative estimate, how many fakeroonies are also out there muddying the waters of the Caribbean? I've got 50 and laminated them all to preserve them and get ahead on this slabbing bullshit thing. Phil Todd Feiertag wrote: */Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what?/* /**/ On Fleabay which will be called SuperFleabay by then, the poster should be worth a negative -$2.00 but at auction it should go for $100.00. Todd*/ /* - Original Message - *From:* mailto:Flixspix%40AOL.COM[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* mailto:MoPo-L%40LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:55 PM *Subject:* [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates .and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what? By the way did anyone notice and congratulate MOPO's own Rudy Franchi's Emmy Nomination for Best Reality Show? His show up ended such programs as CHEERLEADER NATION, DANCING WITH THE STARS, ROLLER GIRLS, COUNTDOWN TO LOCKDOWN, FILTHY RICH, ULTIMATE COYOTE UGLY SEARCH, WIFE SWAP, and ANIMALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Congratulations Rudy for this auspicious recognition. Who knows a new collectible may be on the horizon for you! /Yo ho, yo ho. A pirate's life for⦠everyone./ Or so it seems after *Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=piratesofthecaribbean2.htm*http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=piratesofthecaribbean2.htm* plundered the record books with an estimated $132 million opening weekend, swatting *Spider-Man
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-Original Message- From: JR By the way, I'm not willing to count the PIRATES opening as a true record-breaker. The reports are that it opened in on more than 8,000 screens, whereas SPIDER MAN only opened on about 3,000 screens in its first week. It's easy to break an opening week record if you almost triple the number of screens on opening night. JR, Do you actually read posts before you respond to them? Yes, Spider-man opened in 3,600+ Theaters, but it was actually shown on over 7,500 Screens. See the difference? It wasn't triple the number of screens or theaters. On a per-screen average Pirates made $31,944 to Spider-man's $31,769. Incredible numbers for both movies, and especially since Pirates running time was 30 minutes more than Spidey's and probably cost theaters at least one extra showing per day. Yes it was about a thousand more, but it doesn't matter how many screens you open on if no one wants to see the movie. You think if Gigli opened on 10,000 screens it would have set a record (other than the dubious records it set)? Heck, by your reasoning I'm surprised you actually give Spider-man the record since it opened in 400 more theaters than Lost World (the previous record holder) or 1,000 more theaters than Batman Forever (the record holder before that). Sean Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
From: JR So, I take it that everyone wants to continue to pretend that the number of original posters a studio prints up for a new release -- particularly a blockbuster -- is only the amount they figure they need to send to the theaters, then? The dealers want to go onclaiming that the number of original posters for these releases is somehow limited, that only a few are snuck out of the system by brave bands of guerrilla poster liberations operatives and into the hands of collectors? And that in the futureposters for new filmsare going to be hard to come by and valuable collectibleslike posters from the 1980's and earlier? I really have to laugh when I read this. You do realize that in the late 70s and early 80s, collectors and dealers were of course saying the same thing. Ask Unka Phil how many rolls of Star Wars posters he went through. I mean why save them? They were new, in abundant supply, werent limited anymore as lots of dealers had them and would never be rare. Even more so for Empire Strikes Back, as everyone knew it would be huge. Does it really matter how many posters the studios print of a popular film? Do you really think that every poster printed is going to wind up in the hands of dealers or true collectors? Of course not. Most will still end up being destroyed, whether it is by the studios, theaters, or some kid who buys a copy hangs it on his wall for a few years and then throws it out when he is tired of it or It is just too beat-up to be displayed any longer. What ultimately matters is how many people in the future are willing and able to purchase the poster at a given price. This is why even though you see countless Star Wars 1-sheets for sale every week they continue to bring good money. In 30 years it will not matter if there are 20,000 near mint rolled copies of Pirates of the Caribbean 1-sheets out there if there are 30,000 people willing to buy one at $200, $300 or whatever price. Heck, I dont even see original copies of the first Pirates Advance being offered anymore. Where are all the copies of those? Certainly as big as that movie was there must be thousands sitting on dealers shelves waiting for buyers at $9.95, right? Well, Id be happy to buy a roll of them at that price. Any sellers? Sean Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
JR I am not or even suggestedequating the number of runs dictate in some calculated ormeasured waythe actualnumber printed...the case I was making that it was a lot, a whole lot of posters requiredto be printed, the minimum run we know having to bein numbers enough tocover 7500 screens meaning an excess of 20 thousand posters. Extrapolating my observation furtherI was asking how can this title or the scores like it ever be a valuable collectible years down the road when introduced into the poster pipeline at these staggering quantities. Scarcity is only one of about four considerations when a poster is assessed for its value.my point was this poster and the scores like it from the final 3 STAR WARS on will never be scarce so getting back to Rudy Franchi's original declaration, we will be selling and reselling the same 500 posters for years to come-- posters that wereprinted in quantities a mere fraction of the totals being issued in the last ten years. freeman fisher8601 west knoll drive #7west hollywood, ca90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Freeman what you should really be talking about is why these posters will never be needed in that quantity for collectors.. The answer is very simple THERE AREN'T THAT MANY COLLECTORS IN THE HOBBY I've been chatting with Jon Warren, Bruce, Sean and some others and the general consensus is that there are at most a few thousand real collectors and not more. Though there may be a few thousand others that will happily buy the poster - and are not collectors. One reason cited for the small audience of true collectors is that for some reason, the general public has not caught on to poster collecting. A constant issue when I had the gallery was that people seemed to think a poster that was more than $20 was foolish. This is because collecting has seemed to considerably lessen in younger generations and because movie posters were never available to the general public - especially when they were in the theatre. When I was a kid, every other kid I knew - except most girls - collected something, be it baseball cards, comic books, hot wheels cars, coins, stamps etc. Today's kids are more interested in X-Box, PC's, i-Pod, $200 Nike's, and finally - a new Mustang.. so the kind of collector mentality that most of us over 40's had when we wanted to find something to do (yes we had a lot less to do than they do now. we even walked 40 miles in the snow to school .. LOL), so we all collected to occupy ourselves. These kids mostly have no time left after video games. the Star Wars phenomena is a unique situation to the poster hobby, and one of the few areas that prices have not pushed down because of eBay. What other 1975-2000 films can you compare to Star Wars poster sales? None the less, until posters become easily available to the general population, just like comic books - a hobby with more than 1000 times the collectors of movie posters - then there will just never be a huge exodus into poster collecting, and 20,000 posters of anything are just waste over a certain number. There is also another factor.. In comics, people collect by title mostly, so even though many issues of Spider-man are junk in my opinion, the fact that a Spider-man completist needs to buy each new issue find the old ones, we have little in the poster hobby that equates to the same situation over a great number of collector's. In other words, while many people collect everything Star Wars - how many film series are there with more than 3-4 posters? So poster collecting - while having it's completists - has a completist with a much shallower list of wants. Spider-man is over 500 issues in it's own title. There will never be anything like that in movie posters, which is why many collect by genre. Even more to the point, the movie poster hobby does $4,000,000 a year on ebay sans Bruce. Bruce does another $2mil. Heritage does another $2mil. How much more do you think all other poster sellers total to? I say about $20,000,000 total business per year. maybe a tad more. the comic hobby does more than 3 times that in one five-day weekend in San Diego, and Metropolis comics does almost as much as eBay, Bruce Heritage's movie poster sales totals in comic books every year. so it doesn't matter if only 10,000 Pirates posters were printed.. That's more than will ever be needed Rich== At 01:03 PM 7/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR I am not or even suggested equating the number of runs dictate in some calculated or measured way the actual number printed...the case I was making that it was a lot, a whole lot of posters required to be printed, the minimum run we know having to be in numbers enough to cover 7500 screens meaning an excess of 20 thousand posters. Extrapolating my observation further I was asking how can this title or the scores like it ever be a valuable collectible years down the road when introduced into the poster pipeline at these staggering quantities. Scarcity is only one of about four considerations when a poster is assessed for its value.my point was this poster and the scores like it from the final 3 STAR WARS on will never be scarce so getting back to Rudy Franchi's original declaration, we will be selling and reselling the same 500 posters for years to come-- posters that were printed in quantities a mere fraction of the totals being issued in the last ten years. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE
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Folks, Grey Smith sent me the following note in response to my post about total sales in movie posters.. of course, it doesn't change the total very much, but I appreciate his letting me know the right number Rich== Rich: Heritage sold approx 4.95 million in year 2005 in movie posters. Grey Smith Director Vintage Movie Poster Auctions Heritage Auction Galleries 3500 Maple Avenue, 17th Floor Dallas, Texas 75219-3941 800-872-6467 Ext. 367(24-Hour Voice Mail)Local: 214-252-4367 Office Cellular: 214-668-6928 Cellular Fax 214-443-8479 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.HeritageAuctions.com/MoviePosters -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:49 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates Freeman what you should really be talking about is why these posters will never be needed in that quantity for collectors.. The answer is very simple THERE AREN'T THAT MANY COLLECTORS IN THE HOBBY I've been chatting with Jon Warren, Bruce, Sean and some others and the general consensus is that there are at most a few thousand real collectors and not more. Though there may be a few thousand others that will happily buy the poster - and are not collectors. One reason cited for the small audience of true collectors is that for some reason, the general public has not caught on to poster collecting. A constant issue when I had the gallery was that people seemed to think a poster that was more than $20 was foolish. This is because collecting has seemed to considerably lessen in younger generations and because movie posters were never available to the general public - especially when they were in the theatre. When I was a kid, every other kid I knew - except most girls - collected something, be it baseball cards, comic books, hot wheels cars, coins, stamps etc. Today's kids are more interested in X-Box, PC's, i-Pod, $200 Nike's, and finally - a new Mustang.. so the kind of collector mentality that most of us over 40's had when we wanted to find something to do (yes we had a lot less to do than they do now. we even walked 40 miles in the snow to school .. LOL), so we all collected to occupy ourselves. These kids mostly have no time left after video games. the Star Wars phenomena is a unique situation to the poster hobby, and one of the few areas that prices have not pushed down because of eBay. What other 1975-2000 films can you compare to Star Wars poster sales? None the less, until posters become easily available to the general population, just like comic books - a hobby with more than 1000 times the collectors of movie posters - then there will just never be a huge exodus into poster collecting, and 20,000 posters of anything are just waste over a certain number. There is also another factor.. In comics, people collect by title mostly, so even though many issues of Spider-man are junk in my opinion, the fact that a Spider-man completist needs to buy each new issue find the old ones, we have little in the poster hobby that equates to the same situation over a great number of collector's. In other words, while many people collect everything Star Wars - how many film series are there with more than 3-4 posters? So poster collecting - while having it's completists - has a completist with a much shallower list of wants. Spider-man is over 500 issues in it's own title. There will never be anything like that in movie posters, which is why many collect by genre. Even more to the point, the movie poster hobby does $4,000,000 a year on ebay sans Bruce. Bruce does another $2mil. Heritage does another $2mil. How much more do you think all other poster sellers total to? I say about $20,000,000 total business per year. maybe a tad more. the comic hobby does more than 3 times that in one five-day weekend in San Diego, and Metropolis comics does almost as much as eBay, Bruce Heritage's movie poster sales totals in comic books every year. so it doesn't matter if only 10,000 Pirates posters were printed.. That's more than will ever be needed Rich== At 01:03 PM 7/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR I am not or even suggested equating the number of runs dictate in some calculated or measured way the actual number printed...the case I was making that it was a lot, a whole lot of posters required to be printed, the minimum run we know having to be in numbers enough to cover 7500 screens meaning an excess of 20 thousand posters. Extrapolating my observation further I was asking how can this title or the scores like it ever be a valuable collectible years down the road when introduced into the poster pipeline at these staggering quantities. Scarcity is only one of about four considerations when a poster is assessed for its value.my point was this poster and the scores like it from the final 3 STAR WARS on will never be scarce so getting back to Rudy
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
OK, then, taking it from the top: Freeman's point is well taken -- none of the huge number of movie posters produced in the last 10 to 20 years are going to do much to change the equation of the 500 old time posters that will still be bought and sold years from now -- most of them will be the same titles then as they are now. Maybe a few will be added and a few drop off, but not many. Rich has confirmed that MovieGoods.com (and probably others) print out their own full-size repros on-demand at their Vegas plant. Doesn't that mean that there is essentially an inexhaustible supply of these, then? That anytime anyone wants one they can order it and have it printed up for them... even 10 or 20 years from now? OK, it's a repro, but how distinguishable is it from the international single-sided original? Will anyone know or care? Do they put an identifier on it that it is a MovieGoods repro? I've never seen one, so I don't know. If so great, then we can identify them, but that doesn't change the next point: The math of some 6,000 or whatever theaters in the first week of release tells you that there were, *at least* 20,000 original theater posters printed. Probably more like 30,000 or more. Sure, some will be thrown away, but not very bloody many anymore, not with the modern awareness of eBay and the fact that you can sell movie posters on it for money. I'm betting precious few theatrical posters from any blockbuster are trash-canned anymore. Now over time not all of them will be treated carefully by collectors and dealers. Some will be tacked on dorm rooms and eventually destroyed and tossed. But again, not as many as used to be because of the greater awareness these days. My guess is that most of those posters will still be around 25 or even 50 years from now and not worth much. I know people said this about things like STAR WARS in the past, which brings me to the next point: STAR WARS, EMPIRE and RETURN OF JEDI were only released in about 1,500 to 1,700 theaters... not 6,000 or 7,000. Far fewer original theatrical posters were printed comparatively and in those days there was no eBay and most posters were either returned to the studios or trash-canned. Besides, none of those titles are exactly scarce these days... 26 years later... nor do they sell for all that much because even though in those days there were no internet wholesale houses like MovieGoods.com, a whole lot of the comparatively small run of the original trilogy STAR WARS posters *did* find their way into the hands of collectors and sellers one way or another. And are you trying to tell me DEAD MAN'S CHEST is going to have the staying power of the STAR WARS trilogy over the next couple of decades? Please... What they said about original trilogy STAR WARS posters may not have turned out to be quite correct, but it certainly was correct for 99% of the other films produced in the late 1970's and early 1980's -- most of them aren't worth much these days and they printed far fewer originals for a release back then than they do now. And Sean, if you check, you'll see MovieGoods. com still has what they claim are original DEAD MAN'S CHEST original advances which they bumped up to $29.95 for the release -- but until just a few weeks before the release I saw them offered on both eBay and MPB for $10 to $20 bucks and I'm sure they will be again once this current hype dies down (I give it 4 weeks top in today's rock-a-go-go world). Right now, today, can you make $10 bucks more on a PIRATES advance original one sheet than you could 3 weeks ago? Sure. And that may continue for another 3 or 4 weeks... so if that's you're definition of bid money then by all means cash in on the goldmine while it lasts. This temporary frenzy won't equate to long-term price appreciation. You comment about picking up as many tubes full at $9.95 each tells the tale and makes my point: How many sellers do you think there are out there who have done exactly that? What do you think that is going to do to the long-term prospects for the prices of original posters on this or any other modern blockbuster? There are people on there sitting on thousands of them, just waiting for the day they can sell them for big money. Me, I won't be holding my breath. No, with the exception of the lenticulars, I afraid I simply can't see the posters from any wide-release modern day film ever being worth very much, even if people did say similar things in the past. -- JR Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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-Original Message- From: JR And Sean, if you check, you'll see MovieGoods. com still has what they claim are original DEAD MAN'S CHEST original advances which they bumped up to $29.95 for the release... You comment about picking up as many tubes full at $9.95 each tells the tale and makes my point: How many sellers do you think there are out there who have done exactly that? What do you think that is going to do to the long-term prospects for the prices of original posters on this or any other modern blockbuster? There are people on there sitting on thousands of them, just waiting for the day they can sell them for big money. Me, I won't be holding my breath. My comment was made about the first movie advance - the one with the Skeleton at the wheel of the ship (sorry if that was not clear). Certainly such a new poster that was printed in the thousands upon thousands should be widely available today, yet a quick look at eBay shows not a single one available for auction. Where are the profit takers looking to cash-in during the new movie's popularity? Surely this is a great time to sell? I would love to have some of them. Whether they will be hunted by collectors in the future I don't know - heck there might not even be posters in the future, let alone collectors, but I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and buy what I believe in. As for how many are printed and Pirates is being shown in so many more theaters than Empire, I understand your point but don't necessarily agree. Were you even collecting back then? Do you have any actual knowledge of poster print runs from that time period? Don't you think people said things like Heck, Empire is a huge blockbuster, it's opening on the most screens of any movie ever - the posters can't possibly be worth anything in the future cause there are tons of Star Wars collectors and every one of them is getting a copy (or two) of this poster now. There will be tons of mint rolled and folded ones in the future. And yet Empire posters continue to be bought by new and old collectors who have never before owned one. It's all relative to the demand in the future and how many of them actually are saved. Even though everybody knew Empire was huge and dealers bought tons of Empire posters to have in stock and sell, somehow the prices have still risen and people still want them. Will this happen to Pirates or any modern movie in the future? I don't know, but I wouldn't count against it. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
.and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now notePIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what? By the way did anyone notice and congratulate MOPO's own Rudy Franchi's Emmy Nomination for Best Reality Show? His show up ended such programs as CHEERLEADER NATION, DANCING WITH THE STARS, ROLLER GIRLS, COUNTDOWN TO LOCKDOWN, FILTHY RICH, ULTIMATE COYOTE UGLY SEARCH, WIFE SWAP, and ANIMALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Congratulations Rudy for this auspicious recognition. Who knows a new collectible may be on the horizon for you! Yo ho, yo ho. A pirate's life for… everyone. Or so it seems after Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest plundered the record books with an estimated $132 million opening weekend, swatting Spider-Man's long standing $114.8 million milestone atop the all time chart. Buena Vista's swarthy sequel marauded over 8,500 screens at 4,133 sites—the third widest debut ever—compared to Spider-Man's 7,500 screens at 3,615 sites, though Pirates' estimated 20 million admissions out-paced Spidey by only a hair. Pirates pilfered a trove of records, but the key ones, in addition to opening weekend, were biggest single and opening day and fastest to $100 million. On Friday, Dead Man's Chest raked in $55.5 million (including $9 million's worth of 2,100 midnight showings), eclipsing Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith's $50 million and grossing more in one day than its predecessor, The Curse of the Black Pearl, did in its entire opening weekend. Dead Man's Chest also became the first picture to cross the century mark in two days flat. freeman fisher8601 west knoll drive #7west hollywood, ca90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates
"Now notePIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what?" On Fleabaywhichwill be called SuperFleabay by then, the poster should be wortha negative -$2.00 but at auction it should go for $100.00. Todd - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates .and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now notePIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what? By the way did anyone notice and congratulate MOPO's own Rudy Franchi's Emmy Nomination for Best Reality Show? His show up ended such programs as CHEERLEADER NATION, DANCING WITH THE STARS, ROLLER GIRLS, COUNTDOWN TO LOCKDOWN, FILTHY RICH, ULTIMATE COYOTE UGLY SEARCH, WIFE SWAP, and ANIMALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Congratulations Rudy for this auspicious recognition. Who knows a new collectible may be on the horizon for you! Yo ho, yo ho. A pirate's life for… everyone. Or so it seems after Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest plundered the record books with an estimated $132 million opening weekend, swatting Spider-Man's long standing $114.8 million milestone atop the all time chart. Buena Vista's swarthy sequel marauded over 8,500 screens at 4,133 sites—the third widest debut ever—compared to Spider-Man's 7,500 screens at 3,615 sites, though Pirates' estimated 20 million admissions out-paced Spidey by only a hair. Pirates pilfered a trove of records, but the key ones, in addition to opening weekend, were biggest single and opening day and fastest to $100 million. On Friday, Dead Man's Chest raked in $55.5 million (including $9 million's worth of 2,100 midnight showings), eclipsing Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith's $50 million and grossing more in one day than its predecessor, The Curse of the Black Pearl, did in its entire opening weekend. Dead Man's Chest also became the first picture to cross the century mark in two days flat. freeman fisher8601 west knoll drive #7west hollywood, ca90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Auction results on Super Fleabay will depend on whose auctions and what pirates there are then. So if there's 19,000 one sheets (and this does NOT include the internationals) and is a VERY conservative estimate, how many fakeroonies are also out there muddying the waters of the Caribbean? I've got 50 and laminated them all to preserve them and get ahead on this slabbing bullshit thing. Phil Todd Feiertag wrote: */Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what?/* /**/ On Fleabay which will be called SuperFleabay by then, the poster should be worth a negative -$2.00 but at auction it should go for $100.00. Todd*/ /* - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:55 PM *Subject:* [MOPO] Boxoffice Treasure In Pirates .and SUPERMAN had generally much better reviews overall by a considerable margin. Now note PIRATES is on 8500 screens that has to represent at least 2 onesheets each. That's 19,000 posters right there. 50 years from now that poster will be worth what? By the way did anyone notice and congratulate MOPO's own Rudy Franchi's Emmy Nomination for Best Reality Show? His show up ended such programs as CHEERLEADER NATION, DANCING WITH THE STARS, ROLLER GIRLS, COUNTDOWN TO LOCKDOWN, FILTHY RICH, ULTIMATE COYOTE UGLY SEARCH, WIFE SWAP, and ANIMALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG. Congratulations Rudy for this auspicious recognition. Who knows a new collectible may be on the horizon for you! /Yo ho, yo ho. A pirate's life for… everyone./ Or so it seems after *Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=piratesofthecaribbean2.htm* plundered the record books with an estimated $132 million opening weekend, swatting *Spider-Man http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm*'s long standing $114.8 million milestone atop the all time chart. Buena Vista's swarthy sequel marauded over 8,500 screens at 4,133 sites—the third widest debut ever—compared to *Spider-Man*'s 7,500 screens at 3,615 sites, though *Pirates*' estimated 20 million admissions out-paced Spidey by only a hair. *Pirates* pilfered a trove of records, but the key ones, in addition to opening weekend, were biggest single and opening day and fastest to $100 million. On Friday, *Dead Man's Chest* raked in $55.5 million (including $9 million's worth of 2,100 midnight showings), eclipsing *Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars3.htm*'s $50 million and grossing more in one day than its predecessor, *The Curse of the Black Pearl*, did in its entire opening weekend. *Dead Man's Chest* also became the first picture to cross the century mark in two days flat. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
