Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Apart from the one of KONG that has been discussed on other boards, I was also offered one of these for TOP HAT a few years ago with a similarly absurd asking price. When I questioned the date originality and asked for more information, I got a stonewall. Phil - Original Message - From: Jon Warren To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser? It's a poster printed for the library circuit. I had about a dozen of these at one time, all different titles, but including the CK. From the 1950s, they came from a theater owner who sold me a few thousand posters, and he told me what these were. Back in the 50s, they would provide films for the schools and libraries to show to the kids during summer. These posters were provided to help publicize the library showings. hope this helps. jon warren icollectmovieposters.com On 3/16/07, Kirby McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because this is RKO, it might be a Canadian poster. I have seen some Astaire / Rogers one sheet posters that look similar to the originals but are not U.S. originals. In each case these came from Canada. Those posters were in color, like the originals, but had different line screens and we're, all in all, inferior printings to the U.S. originals. This is similar in that the poster is similar art, but duotone. I think this is at least a possibility. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jon R. Warren iGuide Media Chattanooga, TN 37409 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you a collector? Check out our collector websites. www.iguide.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Something got jumbled here. I did not say these ARE military posters, merely that they are similar (in printing and paper stock) to military posters. Given that they are a different size, and do not have the notation that is at the bottom of every military poster (either Litho in USA or Printed in USA) I would say they are most likely not military posters (although, since they were obviously done for classic films years after the fact, I guess it is possible). I feel 100% certain that they are NOT from the original years of release. Given that they are folded twice and would fit easily into a record, the idea occurred to me that they might have been a giveaway stuck into classic soundtrack albums, but I have nothing to support that. I had not heard Rich's comment about these being made for library showings in the 1950s, but that certainly seems quite possible. This is just one more item to add to the Antiques Roadshow blooper reel of mis-identified and wildly over-estimated items (there could be at least a 24 hour show of these gems!). Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
I'm not sure why we are all still guessing at this. Is there some reason to doubt Jon Warren's word (it was Jon not Rich, who identified these Bruce) as being no good now? He bought them directly from a theater owner who told Jon how they were used. Sounds like the end of the story right there. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Well, I don't think anyone is saying that Jon's word is dubious. His explanation is perfectly plausible, probably correct. But persons' memories, Jon's included, mine included, as well as the guy who explained the origin of these posters to him, can err. K. On Mar 18, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Sean Linkenback wrote: I'm not sure why we are all still guessing at this. Is there some reason to doubt Jon Warren's word (it was Jon not Rich, who identified these Bruce) as being no good now? He bought them directly from a theater owner who told Jon how they were used. Sounds like the end of the story right there. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
My 2 cents... I'm with Jon on these. They look like the posters you would get from those secondary distributors that distributed 16mm prints (which is probably where the library story comes from). I would be surprised if they were from the first release (likely at least a year or two afterwards at least). They don't look like military posters to me at all (other than the size). But, I wouldn't have been surprised to see one of these hanging up at a college or university theatre several decades ago... Cheers, Bob Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
It's a poster printed for the library circuit. I had about a dozen of these at one time, all different titles, but including the CK. From the 1950s, they came from a theater owner who sold me a few thousand posters, and he told me what these were. Back in the 50s, they would provide films for the schools and libraries to show to the kids during summer. These posters were provided to help publicize the library showings. hope this helps. jon warren icollectmovieposters.com On 3/16/07, Kirby McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because this is RKO, it might be a Canadian poster. I have seen some Astaire / Rogers one sheet posters that look similar to the originals but are not U.S. originals. In each case these came from Canada. Those posters were in color, like the originals, but had different line screens and we're, all in all, inferior printings to the U.S. originals. This is similar in that the poster is similar art, but duotone. I think this is at least a possibility. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Jon R. Warren iGuide Media Chattanooga, TN 37409 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you a collector? Check out our collector websites. www.iguide.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
I am sure many of you guys have seen the 10 grand listing on Ebay for the Citizen Kane poster. I of course being Mr. nice guy tried to point out the error of their listing. I made mention that at the time of the film's roll out, a small printed version of the onesheet was made available during the initial engagements for inserting into big city newspapers, not all that different from a herald. I made mention I have seen several on Ebay, and in fact had one put on linen for a client and that they sell for $150 -$200 I also pointed out that no dimensions of the poster is posted anywhere in the listing to confirm definitely the value of this piece I got this reply: this is not a reprint. yes the reprints are in full color to help sell them. this has faded over the years. there was only 1200 made and I have one. this was shown on the antique road show several months ago with my client and they verified it is authentic. value 10K - 20K at auction sorry your limited to a very small amount of information on this item. if it does not sell we will be sending this to NY for auction I replied in a second email saying I never mentioned that this was a reprint. I also again requested the measurements of the poster to positively identify. But Antiques Road Show is the verified appraiser of this poster? Good grief I doubt seriously they would make such an error Good Morning Freeman I will get the correct size later today. thanks for your input and your help. Guy Hodges World Wide Auction Proven Auction Results. Getting the most out of your auction Live or Online. Now notice the tonal difference and that reply is signed by an individual with the auction company. I think that is the difference between an employee and an owner..but not sure. Still no email about the size, but I know what it will be. Its trying to gently awaken the seller that what they think they isn't. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Freeman, I have one of these.. it is an original poster.. Original what is the question some think it is a military style poster others think it is a wilding poster from the 50's someone told me it was from the pressbook, but Dan Strebin said he had 9 mint pressbooks over time never saw this poster it is fairly common however in that I have seen it at least 10 times in the last 4 years I also had someone at Ray's show bring me 5 different titles - all 40's titles - in the same format had a CK in the batch. I could have bought them for $150 total. But they were mounted on something it is some kind of real theatrical poster.. what kind.. no one really knows Rich== At 01:18 PM 3/15/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure many of you guys have seen the 10 grand listing on Ebay for the Citizen Kane poster. I of course being Mr. nice guy tried to point out the error of their listing. I made mention that at the time of the film's roll out, a small printed version of the onesheet was made available during the initial engagements for inserting into big city newspapers, not all that different from a herald. I made mention I have seen several on Ebay, and in fact had one put on linen for a client and that they sell for $150 -$200 I also pointed out that no dimensions of the poster is posted anywhere in the listing to confirm definitely the value of this piece I got this reply: this is not a reprint. yes the reprints are in full color to help sell them. this has faded over the years. there was only 1200 made and I have one. this was shown on the antique road show several months ago with my client and they verified it is authentic. value 10K - 20K at auction sorry your limited to a very small amount of information on this item. if it does not sell we will be sending this to NY for auction I replied in a second email saying I never mentioned that this was a reprint. I also again requested the measurements of the poster to positively identify. But Antiques Road Show is the verified appraiser of this poster? Good grief I doubt seriously they would make such an error Good Morning Freeman I will get the correct size later today. thanks for your input and your help. Guy Hodges World Wide Auction Proven Auction Results. Getting the most out of your auction Live or Online. Now notice the tonal difference and that reply is signed by an individual with the auction company. I think that is the difference between an employee and an owner..but not sure. Still no email about the size, but I know what it will be. Its trying to gently awaken the seller that what they think they isn't. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339AOL.com. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
I'm not sure I agree Freeman.. I think it is a 1950's poster. here is the poster at MPB http://www.movieposterbid.com/itemdetl.asp?id=13200 I doubt it was used as a flyer due to the size at 22x28 inches it is some kind of poster. regional maybe?? At 01:56 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote: Rich I agree its from the original release.and mentioned to the eBayer that it was probably used not unlike a herald, and inserted into newspapers as a free pull out. But its worth $150-$200 not 10 grand and an attitude. Thanks! Just feel its important we police our own Ebay area when time permits...god knows the toy dealers do Whew! freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339AOL.com. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
I could be wrong, but my feeling is that this is a promotional poster included in one of the Video special edition releases from the 80s/90s...I don't think it is an original poster at all. I also tried to talk sense into these bozo sellers, but their ignorance is stultifying - they told me it was impossible to print posters as big as 27x41 in the 1940s. sigh. I also sent them a link to an Ebay sale of this poster where it went for $5, which I still think is overvalued. These people are simply embarassing themselves and some day they will realize it...I just hope they gave their consignor some sort of advance that they will have to eat. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rudy, I just got in the below email from the seller. He is seemingly adamant about the Road Show Antiques appraisal. If he sends me such a link I will forward. Curious as to what New York auction he alludes to.. I KNOW YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO HELP. WE ARE WORKING ON A LINK WITH THE SHOT OF HIM BEING INTERVIEWED IF IT DOES NOT SELL WE WILL HAVE THIS LINK TO HELP CLEAR UP ALL WORRIES AND THOUGHTS OF ITS ACTUAL VALUE. THEN IF IT DOES NOT SELL HERE IT IS GOING IN A N.Y. AUCTION. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP Guy Hodges World Wide Auction Proven Auction Results. Getting the most out of your auction Live or Online. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Greg.. this is a vintage 40's-50's poster. I have one at MPB http://www.movieposterbid.com/itemdetl.asp?id=13200 I have seen others for other titles, all seem to be of the same vintage if you read one of my previous posts, while there is no consensus, Bruce H thinks it is a military poster and I think I agree with him the poster is definitely NOT a video release poster Rich=== At 05:13 PM 3/15/2007, Greg Ferland wrote: I could be wrong, but my feeling is that this is a promotional poster included in one of the Video special edition releases from the 80s/90s...I don't think it is an original poster at all. I also tried to talk sense into these bozo sellers, but their ignorance is stultifying - they told me it was impossible to print posters as big as 27x41 in the 1940s. sigh. I also sent them a link to an Ebay sale of this poster where it went for $5, which I still think is overvalued. These people are simply embarassing themselves and some day they will realize it...I just hope they gave their consignor some sort of advance that they will have to eat. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rudy, I just got in the below email from the seller. He is seemingly adamant about the Road Show Antiques appraisal. If he sends me such a link I will forward. Curious as to what New York auction he alludes to.. I KNOW YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO HELP. WE ARE WORKING ON A LINK WITH THE SHOT OF HIM BEING INTERVIEWED IF IT DOES NOT SELL WE WILL HAVE THIS LINK TO HELP CLEAR UP ALL WORRIES AND THOUGHTS OF ITS ACTUAL VALUE. THEN IF IT DOES NOT SELL HERE IT IS GOING IN A N.Y. AUCTION. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP Guy Hodges World Wide Auction Proven Auction Results. Getting the most out of your auction Live or Online. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Hi Guys: This is Sue from LAMP http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com. I didn't get the initial email on this thread so I'm winging it here. But from what I have gathered from some of the emails, I'd like to throw out another possibility. There were several companies that were licensed non-theatrical film distributors. They would distribute feature length films to colleges, trains, cruise lines, hospitals, etc. From what we have been able to gather, they would issue posters that looked like smaller versions of the one sheet. One of these came up on discussion about a year ago but I don't remember the title. Ed's looking to see if he can locate his notes. One of the most well known of these distributors is Swank, who has been around since 1937 and is still in business. On their website, they claim: Studios We Represent We represent Walt Disney Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Columbia Pictures, TriStar Pictures, Warner Bros., Universal Pictures, Paramount Pictures, Paramount Classics, DreamWorks Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, United Artists, Miramax Films, Focus Features, Lions Gate Films, IFC Films, First Look Pictures, ThinkFilm, Paramount Vantage, Picturehouse, HBO, Magnolia, Newmarket Films, The Weinstein Company and more, and offer all of their box office hits to the non-theatrical markets (markets outside theaters) where we are licensed. Here's their website. http://www.swank.com/Index.html Sue Greg Ferland wrote: I could be wrong, but my feeling is that this is a promotional poster included in one of the Video special edition releases from the 80s/90s...I don't think it is an original poster at all. I also tried to talk sense into these bozo sellers, but their ignorance is stultifying - they told me it was impossible to print posters as big as 27x41 in the 1940s. sigh. I also sent them a link to an Ebay sale of this poster where it went for $5, which I still think is overvalued. These people are simply embarassing themselves and some day they will realize it...I just hope they gave their consignor some sort of advance that they will have to eat. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rudy, I just got in the below email from the seller. He is seemingly adamant about the Road Show Antiques appraisal. If he sends me such a link I will forward. Curious as to what New York auction he alludes to.. I KNOW YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO HELP. WE ARE WORKING ON A LINK WITH THE SHOT OF HIM BEING INTERVIEWED IF IT DOES NOT SELL WE WILL HAVE THIS LINK TO HELP CLEAR UP ALL WORRIES AND THOUGHTS OF ITS ACTUAL VALUE. THEN IF IT DOES NOT SELL HERE IT IS GOING IN A N.Y. AUCTION. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP Guy Hodges World Wide Auction Proven Auction Results. Getting the most out of your auction Live or Online. freeman fisher 8601 west knoll drive #7 west hollywood, ca 90069 ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] CITIZEN KANE On Ebay. Antiques Roadshow the Verified Appraiser?
Because this is RKO, it might be a Canadian poster. I have seen some Astaire / Rogers one sheet posters that look similar to the originals but are not U.S. originals. In each case these came from Canada. Those posters were in color, like the originals, but had different line screens and we're, all in all, inferior printings to the U.S. originals. This is similar in that the poster is similar art, but duotone. I think this is at least a possibility. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
