[Mpls] a broader perspective (long)

2001-11-21 Thread Brobson34

While I believe Ms. Kosnoff was properly chastised for her dismissive post regarding 
Mr. Atherton, I, and I daresay other list members, share her frustration with the 
gadfly nature of some of Mr. Atherton's (and, to a lesser extent, Mr. Mann's) 
education posts. Allow me a few minutes to explain why.
Given the incredible variety of students (in terms of class, race, socio-educational 
readiness and learning styles) that need to be accomodated within the Minneapolis 
Public Schools, plus the ever-changing mandates handed down by state and federal 
education officials, MPS board members have, in my view, the most thankless and 
slippery task of any politicians in the state. Yet many of the education posts on this 
list pick out one program--or one aspect of one program--and subject it to a 
rigorously critical review, citing studies and/or anecdotal evidence, to almost 
invariably conclude that the school board is failing in its mission to improve 
education in Minneapolis. As has been pointed out, board members who respond to this 
list seemingly can't win--for example, they have been denigrated for providing too 
much and too little information. In addition, the longer a thread evolves, the harder 
it is for me, and perhaps other list members, to see the forest for the trees.
In the interest of creating a debate with a broader perspective, I'd be interested to 
know how the MPS stacks up versus similarly-sized school districts across the nation 
in terms of test scores, dropout rates, etc. Are other major urban districts doing an 
appreciably better job than MPS? While it is occasionally helpful to hear citations 
regarding the success of a certain pilot or charter program, or to hear about an 
improvement by another district from abysmal to merely mediocre in terms of overall 
performance, what is the bottom line performance of MPS relative to its national 
peers?Finally, let me throw out a couple of issues that I believe get at the most 
intractable dilemmas facing the MPS. One is the not-so-covert discrimination of 
underperforming school children, which too often corresponds to the endemic racism and 
classism that infects the community at-large as much or more than MPS officials. To 
put it bluntly, to what extent does the MPS risk losing its higher performing students 
if it doesn't engage in the ability-grouping and preferential teacher assignments that 
are seemingly designed to placate the parents of higher-performing students? I 
understand the right, politically correct response, which is, for that matter, the 
legal response: All students should be given an equal chance to obtain a quality 
education. But that and discussions over the need to secure affordable housing for all 
who need it strike me as the two great disconnects between what we espouse and what we 
do--the areas where lip service reigns supreme. And I suspect it is because we don't 
have the polit
ical will and moral fortitude to back up our rhetoric. Put simply, any attempt to try 
and live up the ideal of quality education and affordable housing runs into 
bigotry--expressed through the abandonment of the school system, the lack of funding, 
or whatever--that threatens to make the problem worse. This is what politicians are 
loath to acknowledge but compelled to confront as they make their public policy 
decisions.
Let me offer up two examples of this. Because we have decreed that equal education 
should be available to all, there are a host of federal mandates regarding special 
education in our schools. But the federal government refuses to fund those mandates to 
the extent it legally says it will. In the MPS, this shortfall adds up to $27 million, 
a tremendous amount of money that could be spent in myriad ways to improve education. 
The second example is the $5 million in desegregation monies that were originally 
earmarked to be part of the settlement of a lawsuit brought by the NAACP against the 
MPS. It is my understanding (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that during 
the last legislative session, those monies were deliberately removed from the MPS 
budget. Why did the state, which approved the settlement, then remove the monies? And 
why has the NAACP, which properly made ample noise about segregation within the MPS, 
not raised a similar ruckus about those monies being taken away by the state? Here 
again, there is a disconnect between what we espouse and what we do.

Britt Robson
Lyndale 
 

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Re: [Mpls] a broader perspective (long)

2001-11-21 Thread Gypsycurse7

In a message dated 11/21/2001 2:25:25 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 While I believe Ms. Kosnoff was properly chastised for her dismissive post 
 regarding Mr. Atherton, I, and I daresay other list members, share her 
 frustration with the gadfly nature of some of Mr. Atherton's (and, to a 
 lesser extent, Mr. Mann's) education posts. Allow me a few minutes to 
explain 
 why. (snip)

   The board members are less frustrated by the gadfly nature of my posts 
than Mr. Atherton's.  I think I've been insulted!  Let me explain

I agree that the MPS board members have ...the most thankless and slippery 
task of any politicians in the state.  

I agree that ...many of the education posts on this list...almost invariably 
conclude that the school board is failing in its mission to improve education 
in Minneapolis.

It is understandable that MPS board members regard as annoying pests those 
who continually point out that the board is failing to close the gap in 
academic achievement between kids in high- and low-poverty neighborhoods.  
However, I am not the least bit sympathetic.  They knew the job was dangerous 
when they took it. 
 
 ...In the interest of creating a debate with a broader perspective, I'd be 
 interested to know how the MPS stacks up versus similarly-sized school 
 districts across the nation in terms of test scores, dropout rates, etc. Are 
 other major urban districts doing an appreciably better job than MPS? (snip)

We can only hope that the quality of education is worse, or is getting worse 
faster, on average, in other big city school districts. Then we could say 
that the MPS is beating the odds.  Praise Carol Johnson! 
 
 ...One [of the most intractable dilemmas facing the MPS] is the 
not-so-covert discrimination of underperforming school children, which too 
often corresponds to the 
endemic racism and classism that infects the community at-large as much or 
more than MPS officials. To put it bluntly, to what extent does the MPS risk 
losing its higher performing students if it doesn't engage in the 
ability-grouping and preferential teacher assignments that are seemingly 
designed to 
placate the parents of higher-performing students? I understand the right, 
politically correct response, which is, for that matter, the legal response: 
All students should be given an equal chance to obtain a quality education. 
(snip)

It is understandable that the parents of high performing students want what 
is best for their own children, and do not want to trade places with the 
parents of low-performing students in the resource allocation game.  However, 
it's not a zero sum game.  When the quality of education is improved for some 
students at the expense of others, it weakens the entire system.  

It isn't enough to preserve excellence where it exists. It is necessary to 
create excellence where it does not exist.

-Doug Mann, King Field 
http://educationright.tripod.com 
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