Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] drag and drop data, how?
On Tuesday 23 October 2012 19:42:16 Alexandre Minoshi wrote: Hello, Martin! How i can use drag and drop? For example drag data from one stringgrid and drop to second stringgrid? An example is here: https://gitorious.org/mseuniverse/mseuniverse/trees/master/attic/msedocumenting/mse/trunk/help/tutorials/widgets/grids/dragdropgrid Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] FreePascal.Ru: analog of (Delphi's) OnDropFiles
On Tuesday 23 October 2012 19:47:57 Alexandre Minoshi wrote: 23.10.2012 15:03, Martin Schreiber пишет: On Tuesday 23 October 2012 09:40:04 IvankoB wrote: Q: how ? What does it? Martin It was my question :) In lazarus form have event onDropFiles (Tform.OnDropFiles). This event is generated when files are dragging from another source, for example, from file manager http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Drop_files_event#Related_bug_reports. How drop files on form in MSE? Not implemented yet. Is there a protocoll defined from freedesktop.org for the purpose? Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEi18n doesn't compile
On Wednesday 24 October 2012 06:20:05 IvankoB wrote: Compiling tools\i18n\project_mfm.pas Compiling .\lib\common\designutils\msesettings.pas Compiling .\lib\common\designutils\msesettings_mfm.pas Compiling .\lib\common\dialogs\mseshortcutdialog.pas Compiling .\lib\common\dialogs\mseshortcutdialog_mfm.pas project.pas(131,29) Error: Identifier not found expandmacros project.pas(159) Fatal: There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping Fatal: Compilation aborted Error: C:\FPC\2.6.0\bin\i386-Win32\ppc386.exe returned an error exitcode (normal if you did not specify a source file to be compiled) Fixed. Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
On Tuesday 23 October 2012 17:57:45 Sieghard wrote: Hello Martin, I would like (or rather, am obliged) to create an application that can run for a long time without getting any user input, just displaying some data received by some hardware interface (serial ports, network or such). It's got to be running on Windows, meaning I cannot use my Linux keep alive method relying on a cloned secondary process constantly sending alarm signals (which did away with a similar issue under Linux some time ago, and still does). IIRC there was a problem on Linux because of lost timer events. If the problem still exists it is time now to fix it right IMHO. But there really ought to be some mechanism to effect this, as with the current, straightforwardly written version, the program constantly goes asleep after some period, on the order of hours. And if it did so, it even locks up such that it cannot be reactivated by keyboard or mouse actions, nor does it respond to network requests. Do you (or someone else) have a clue as to where this might come from and how to get rid of those lock-ups? On Windows? Maybe a deadlock? What shows the debugger? Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
On Tuesday 23 October 2012 20:59:27 Sieghard wrote: Hallo Patrick, Du schriebst am Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:45:33 -0400: where this might come from and how to get rid of those lock-ups? What if you set up a timer process to wake up every n minutes? The on event can do nothing or something depending on your needs. Yes, I was thinking of something like that also. I just didn't implement it yet because, in a similar case with a Linux program, this approach didn't work at all. It's to be expected that a simple timer might not be sufficient here, because this runs in the same context as all the rest of the program - at least this seemed to be tha case in the Linux case. Do timers run in a separate thread under Windows? No. Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] FreePascal.Ru: analog of (Delphi's) OnDropFiles
How drop files on form in MSE? Not implemented yet. Is there a protocoll defined from freedesktop.org for the purpose? There's smth to read : http://www.newplanetsoftware.com/xdnd/supporters.html -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] FreePascal.Ru: analog of (Delphi's) OnDropFiles
How drop files on form in MSE? Not implemented yet. Is there a protocoll defined from freedesktop.org for the purpose? Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] FreePascal.Ru: analog of (Delphi's) OnDropFiles
Not implemented yet. Is there a protocoll defined from freedesktop.org for the purpose? All Xorg specifications: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] drag and drop data, how?
24.10.2012 14:46, Martin Schreiber пишет: On Tuesday 23 October 2012 19:42:16 Alexandre Minoshi wrote: Hello, Martin! How i can use drag and drop? For example drag data from one stringgrid and drop to second stringgrid? An example is here: https://gitorious.org/mseuniverse/mseuniverse/trees/master/attic/msedocumenting/mse/trunk/help/tutorials/widgets/grids/dragdropgrid Martin Ok. And if I need to move row in stringgrid? I try next variant : == procedure tmainfo.on_beforedragbegin(const sender: TObject; const apos: pointty; var dragobject: tdragobject; var processed: Boolean); var co1: gridcoordty; begin with tstringgrid(sender) do begin if cellatpos(apos,co1) = ck_data then begin tstringdragobject.create(sender,dragobject,apos).data := inttostr(co1.row); // -remember row number processed:= true; end; end; end; procedure tmainfo.on_beforedragover(const sender: TObject; const apos: pointty; var dragobject: tdragobject; var accept: Boolean; var processed: Boolean); var co1: gridcoordty; begin if dragobject is tstringdragobject then begin with tstringgrid(sender) do begin if (sender = dragobject.sender) and //-- check if sender current (cellatpos(apos,co1) = ck_data) then begin accept:= true; processed:= true; end; end; end; end; procedure tmainfo.on_beforedragdrop(const sender: TObject; const apos: pointty; var dragobject: tdragobject; var processed: Boolean); var co1: gridcoordty; begin if dragobject is tstringdragobject then begin with tstringgrid(sender) do begin if (cellatpos(apos,co1) = ck_data) then begin moverow(strtoint(tstringdragobject(dragobject).data), co1.row); //-- move row processed:= true; end; end; end; end; = This code is work fine, but it is correct? And what is different between accept and processed in on_beforedragover procedure? Yours, Alexandre Minoshi -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Hallo Patrick, Du schriebst am Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:43:32 -0400: the Linux case. Do timers run in a separate thread under Windows? I don't know if they run in a separate thread or not. Martin may know the answer to that. The question was rather meant as rhetorical, anyway - but as far as I could tell from my skimming through the pertaining code, they seem not to do so. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Why not to use a IFI client/server pair where client writting to a server's dataset can be handled by DB events etc ? It also provides secure communicartion channels, link persisnce (due to SSL) ... -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:57:09 +0200: the Linux case. Do timers run in a separate thread under Windows? No. As I expected. Thank you for the information. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Possibly Sieghard wants to have its client-side app of service (daemon) type. It's a special type of win-32 apps - with attention to error handling, auto restarting if killed/died/zombied etc. Correct ? If yes then MSEgui should provide a such type of project :) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
If yes then MSEgui should provide a such type of project :) More correct - a project template with an interface class declaring methods which should be implemented to have the daemon behavior. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Smth like LazDaemon: http://wiki.freepascal.org/Daemons_and_Services or Lazarus's TDaemon+TDaemonMaper : http://www.google.ru/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=16cad=rjaved=0CFgQFjAFOAourl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turbog.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F04%2Fdaemons.pdfei=8FqIUNeqOOWB4ATfxYGQAQusg=AFQjCNHZnmzC1hMFG3HLjKPMxTPSfH_XFAsig2=r_k-LpzU8HI3nFxPZ-Gwcw or in pure FPC: \fpc\packages\fcl-extra\src\*\*daemon* -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:55:17 +0200: sending alarm signals (which did away with a similar issue under Linux some time ago, and still does). IIRC there was a problem on Linux because of lost timer events. If the problem still exists it is time now to fix it right IMHO. Yes, there was a problem producing very similar symptoms: no more data transfer, no more display activity, and sometimes no more reactions to keyboard or mouse entries. Sometimes, though, it was possible to reactivate the program via keyboard or mouse, mainly the first time when the phenomenon was recognized. Then I created this special reactivation clone thread, and the problem was solved. Some time later you wrote about a modification to the timer system (AFAIR), and I tried to work without this crutch - which unfortunately didn't succeed, so I had to reactivate it, and that's the way it still runs (and creates problems for debugging). These programs are strictly running on Linux, though, but the new one _has to_ run under Windows, where this crutch is not available. Unfortunately, it shows the same symptoms as under Linux... network requests. Do you (or someone else) have a clue as to where this might come from and how to get rid of those lock-ups? On Windows? Maybe a deadlock? What shows the debugger? Maybe a deadlock - although the _application_ code doesn't use locks explicitely. The debugger unfortunately has no chance to show anything, as there is no fpc and no mseide/msegui on the target machine, and it isn't really simple to set up a test environment on a separate machine - the program depends to a good deal on the special setup of the target system, which is an embedded PC running an underlying SPS process with which the application is communicating heavily. I might have no choice, though, but to rebuld a good part of that on some virtual machine where I can diagnose it more thoroughly, I'm afraid... (which costs a whole lot of time I can't really afford :( ) BTW, I'd like to try a work around first, setting the application process to some higher priority (there should be a IO priority level available on Windows, AFAIR), but couldn't come around to dig out the way to do this yet. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Hallo Ivanko, Du schriebst am Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:57:45 +0500: Possibly Sieghard wants to have its client-side app of service (daemon) type. It's a special type of win-32 apps - with attention to Yes, that might be a possible solution - although I'm still quite reluctant to delve into these unknown waters - unknown to me, at least. I'm a long time Windows avoider, the most I work with Windows is on my notebook (XP) or on my big machine in a virtual machine (W2000). I _had_ to take some closer looks at the newer Windows, and decidedly did _not_ like them at all. But anyway, I know that Delphi does provide a special application type for services, and I think I saw a similar thing among the msegui applications. Martin will set this straight, I'm sure. ;-) -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
Hallo Ivanko, Du schriebst am Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:27:46 +0500: Why not to use a IFI client/server pair where client writting to a Interesting idea. There's just the tiny problem that one of the participants cannot speak Pascal - it only speaks IEC(6)1131, the programming language for PLCs. -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] drag and drop data, how?
On Wednesday 24 October 2012 15:46:41 Alexandre Minoshi wrote: An example is here: https://gitorious.org/mseuniverse/mseuniverse/trees/master/attic/msedocum enting/mse/trunk/help/tutorials/widgets/grids/dragdropgrid Martin Ok. And if I need to move row in stringgrid? Activate tstringrid.optionsgrid og_rowmoving and og_keyrowmoving. Rows of a grid can be moved by mouse click and drag in fixed column or by keys Ctrl+UpArrow, Ctrl+DownArrow, there is no need for additional drag and drop code. I try next variant : == If you need special information in dragobject define and use a descendent of tdragobject: type tmydragobject = class(tdragobject) public myintegerdata: integer; myrealdata: real; mystringdata: msestring; [...] end; [...] = This code is work fine, but it is correct? And what is different between accept and processed in on_beforedragover procedure? accept = true means that the component would accept a drop of the drag object. processed means that following dragover code in MSEgui should not modify the decision or the dragobject. Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Running unattended
On Thursday 25 October 2012 01:10:41 Sieghard wrote: Hallo Ivanko, Du schriebst am Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:57:45 +0500: Possibly Sieghard wants to have its client-side app of service (daemon) type. It's a special type of win-32 apps - with attention to Yes, that might be a possible solution - although I'm still quite reluctant to delve into these unknown waters - unknown to me, at least. I'm a long time Windows avoider, the most I work with Windows is on my notebook (XP) or on my big machine in a virtual machine (W2000). I _had_ to take some closer looks at the newer Windows, and decidedly did _not_ like them at all. But anyway, I know that Delphi does provide a special application type for services, and I think I saw a similar thing among the msegui applications. Martin will set this straight, I'm sure. ;-) Simply write msenogui instead of msegui in uses of the main program in oder to instantiate a event driven tnoguiapplication without GUI elements. Examples are here: https://gitorious.org/mseuniverse/mseuniverse/trees/master/attic/msedocumenting/mse/trunk/help/tutorials/nogui I don't know if there are more steps necessary for a Windows service. Martin -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
