[MSX] MSX Resource Center
Hello all, I'm very sorry to have to do this, but I'm left with no other choice. You deserve to know the truth... MSX Resource Center, also known as msx.org, is not what they pretend to be. MRC makes appeasing promises and statements over and over, which are proved false or worthless later. They try to keep up appearances of being a community site, but in reality MRC turned into a hypocrite, elitist group, who try to cover up things that make them look bad. Now, because they know I'm right, they are trying to cover up me. On the 29th of April, Latok (Anne de Raad, MRC) wrote on the MRC forums in a thread in which I expressed some of the issues: I'm going to lock this thread. As you can all read, there is a conflict between MRC and GuyveR800. We are going to try to solve things internally, it doesn't benefit the forum to keep this conflict as public as it is now. I ask everyone involved to respect the lock on the thread and let's clear things out as soon as possible. Today, I wrote a message on the forums called Is this how you treat people?! stating that MRC had not contacted me at all, and they hadn't replied or confirmed an email of April 25th either. Shortly afterwards, MRC deleted that message, obviously trying to cover up their bad manners and lack of communication. Then I recieved a mail from MRC, that among other things, stated (translated to english): Taking into account the recent developments, we do not feel obligated, as Anne mentioned on the forum, to solve this case internally. I already had my doubts about what they meant with solve things internally, but now it seems they don't feel like solving this afterall! As with previous communications, had I not complained about not recieving an answer, I probably would not have gotten one. What are you trying to accomplish with this message?, you may wonder. MRC has on more than one occasion lied to me, falsely accused me, and portrayed me as a troublemaker (both to people in MRC itself and publicly). All I want is a public apology and full rehabilitation. If I'm forced to, I will disclose the full history of events, but at this point I will not, as my intention is not to damage MRC, just to make aware. Peace, GuyveR800 ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Patriek Lesparre wrote: If I'm forced to, I will disclose the full history of events, but at this point I will not, as my intention is not to damage MRC, just to make aware. Thank you very much for this contribution to the MSX community and the readers of this mailinglist. I don't know hwo you do it but somehow you manage to get involved in conflicts with several people. I disaprove your attempts to spread this conflicts out as oil on water. Please stop trying to involve more people in your personla business with the people of MRC. I said this more than 100 times: This sh*t kills the MSX scene and sucks all the fun out of it. Please, stop it and remember your own words: However, whether my opinions are founded or unfounded, I've learned it's best to keep them to myself, unless asked for specificly. In order to avoid controversy, misunderstanding and prejudice, I will try to enforce this on myself in the future, starting now. Lets make one think clear: I admired your guts when I read the mail I cited from. Unfortunatly I see that you have some troubles to control your fingers at the keyboard. Further, I hope that you can solve the conflict you have with some people and have lots of fun in the MSX community. Met vriendelijke groet, Jetze Mellema http://www.mellema.net/homecomputers 'Heel erg vette shit!' ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Jetze Mellema wrote: Please, stop it and remember your own words: However, whether my opinions are founded or unfounded, I've learned it's best to keep them to myself, unless asked for specificly. In order to avoid controversy, misunderstanding and prejudice, I will try to enforce this on myself in the future, starting now. I do remember my words, and have strictly lived by them since I spoke them. This is not about my opinion, it's about me being attacked and denied the right to defend myself! Greetz, Patriek ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
RE: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patriek Lesparre Sent: zondag 2 mei 2004 19:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center Jetze Mellema wrote: Please, stop it and remember your own words: However, whether my opinions are founded or unfounded, I've learned it's best to keep them to myself, unless asked for specificly. In order to avoid controversy, misunderstanding and prejudice, I will try to enforce this on myself in the future, starting now. I do remember my words, and have strictly lived by them since I spoke them. This is not about my opinion, it's about me being attacked and denied the right to defend myself! Greetz, Patriek Geesh, just shut the F*CK up. I've only seen your name in posts about flaming, namecalling, attacking people who actually do something and what else there is that is despicable. I can't understand why the admins haven't already banned you from this list as your singe intent is to put other people down, and then pretend to be a victim. So please, if it is all s incredibly hard and bad for your person, just go away and leave others in peace, others who DO contribute to the community. Stupid whining brat. ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
RE: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Herbert Ackermans wrote: I've only seen your name in posts about flaming, namecalling, attacking people who actually do something and what else there is that is despicable. Correction: You only REMEMBERED my name in those posts, I've made many more posts which are constructive and positive. So please, if it is all s incredibly hard and bad for your person, just go away and leave others in peace, others who DO contribute to the community. People like you make me want to stop doing so much for the community... BTW, interesting name you signed off with, I won't repeat it. Patriek. ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Patriek Lesparre : I've only seen your name in posts about flaming, namecalling, attacking people who actually do something and what else there is that is despicable. Correction: You only REMEMBERED my name in those posts, I've made many more posts which are constructive and positive. So please, if it is all s incredibly hard and bad for your person, just go away and leave others in peace, others who DO contribute to the community. People like you make me want to stop doing so much for the community... BTW, interesting name you signed off with, I won't repeat it. Please, people... Patriek I perfectly know (I've seen a lot of posts from you from years on msx.org) that you are not the aaawful guy some people tell you are ;) But I really think you should solve your problems with MRC in private, I'm sure that's not so serious, the MRC crew is made of cool guys afaik. Please to all : just calm down, turn on your turbo R and enjoy ;) Laurent ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
[MSX] MSX Resource Center and GuyveR800
All, I think free-speech must be granted for everyone. I think forums can be moderated and so on, but anyone is free to say on public that did not like to be moderated. It is not this kind of message which kills MSX comunity. What kills an comunity is the fear to speak something and to be attacked without a chance to answer. It's not good to the comunity being known as an unpolite or non-democratic comunity. []'s Daniel Caetano [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.caetano.eng.br/ ...A necessidade de criatividade e' o que contribui para a mudanca. A criatividade mantem o criador vivo. (Frank Herbert) ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Herbert Ackermans wrote: Geesh, just shut the F*CK up. I've only seen your name in posts about flaming, namecalling, attacking people who actually do something and what else there is that is despicable. Then you have very selective memory. And I can assure you that the cases of 'namecalling' and 'flaming' I have been involved in aswell were very much justified. Maybe having a little less prejudice towards GuyveR800 will actually make you see that there might be some truth in those. Doing something 'good' for the MSX community (for example publishing a game or maintaining a popular site) doesn't nessecarily make someone a better person, who is right on beforehand. Not always being tactful doesn't make someone's opinions or the facts less valid. I can't understand why the admins haven't already banned you from this list as your singe intent is to put other people down, and then pretend to be a victim. I don't see how giving critical opinions (which may or may not please the person concerned) would justify a ban. Not everyone is sweetness impersonated, or tact in the trueest meaning of the word. Live with it. So please, if it is all s incredibly hard and bad for your person, just go away and leave others in peace, others who DO contribute to the community. Hahaha... Seriously, you obviously don't have a clue. GuyveR800 is an 'easy target' here. The MRC being as big and appreciated as it is to outsiders, while on the other hand not everyone likes the way GuyveR800 expresses himself sometimes... Easy for you to make a judgement without knowing the facts then, eh! Pft, fuck off. What about - hm, maybe the way the MRC treats their prime forum contributor and very active MSX user isn't entirely on par? Eh, MRC doing something wrong? Nooo that would be proposterous! Bah. Anyways, I don't like the way this is going at all. I have serious doubts about the way both parties are handling this apparant conflict. Not very professional. Not at all. ~Grauw -- Ushiko-san! Kimi wa doushite, Ushiko-san!! ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Hi! Ok, taking into account I have been a victim of MRC hypocrite policy myself, I can't help but support GuyveR800. I have been a MSX user for decades, but just because I decided to port MSX games for the ColecoVision videogame console, MRC started to attack my projects on every possible occasion (in addition to insinuating legal actions against me). The strange thing is those same guys keep praising projects like Bombaman (an obvious port of Bomberman, even with the same graphics) and ports of SG1000 games for the MSX (even keeping the original, copyrighted names). It's obvious to me there is a case of two weights two measures here. So I must agree when GuyveR800 says MRC is a hypocrite and elitist group. IMHO MRC is more interested on protecting the interest of groups like MSX Association and Japanese softhouses then their fellows MSX users. Just my two cents... Eduardo - Original Message - From: Patriek Lesparre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: [MSX] MSX Resource Center Hello all, I'm very sorry to have to do this, but I'm left with no other choice. You deserve to know the truth... MSX Resource Center, also known as msx.org, is not what they pretend to be. MRC makes appeasing promises and statements over and over, which are proved false or worthless later. They try to keep up appearances of being a community site, but in reality MRC turned into a hypocrite, elitist group, who try to cover up things that make them look bad. Now, because they know I'm right, they are trying to cover up me. On the 29th of April, Latok (Anne de Raad, MRC) wrote on the MRC forums in a thread in which I expressed some of the issues: I'm going to lock this thread. As you can all read, there is a conflict between MRC and GuyveR800. We are going to try to solve things internally, it doesn't benefit the forum to keep this conflict as public as it is now. I ask everyone involved to respect the lock on the thread and let's clear things out as soon as possible. Today, I wrote a message on the forums called Is this how you treat people?! stating that MRC had not contacted me at all, and they hadn't replied or confirmed an email of April 25th either. Shortly afterwards, MRC deleted that message, obviously trying to cover up their bad manners and lack of communication. Then I recieved a mail from MRC, that among other things, stated (translated to english): Taking into account the recent developments, we do not feel obligated, as Anne mentioned on the forum, to solve this case internally. I already had my doubts about what they meant with solve things internally, but now it seems they don't feel like solving this afterall! As with previous communications, had I not complained about not recieving an answer, I probably would not have gotten one. What are you trying to accomplish with this message?, you may wonder. MRC has on more than one occasion lied to me, falsely accused me, and portrayed me as a troublemaker (both to people in MRC itself and publicly). All I want is a public apology and full rehabilitation. If I'm forced to, I will disclose the full history of events, but at this point I will not, as my intention is not to damage MRC, just to make aware. Peace, GuyveR800 ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Hello, Patriek Just make a jaw-dropping demo and bash all the cock-suckers in it ;) This is the way groups and individuals used to fight in good old days, and it always was fun and attracting more people into the scene :) FAC was bashing C=64 folks, then FAF bashed FAC and so on and on! And if your opponents don't have the skills to answer with a counter-strike demo of their own - well, they will prove they suck, and you rock! All the MSX mob will be on your side, to take over the world :) Seriously, don't take it so serious. Everyone knows msx.org news are full of crap sometimes, but at least they do something on almost daily basis. I love your MSX Bonzai and MEP, but those are static, you don't have news section. No new content, no new code... And your GB emu is for extremely leet hardware that probably only you and Padial himself have. I like your work, and I respect your opinion. If you hate the guts of someone (even myself), just prove them wrong by contributing a new demo or game of high quality with your very special message. In this case your opinion will be known forever! Have fun, Adrian MSX Resource Center, also known as msx.org, is not what they pretend to be. MRC makes appeasing promises and statements over and over, which are proved false or worthless later. They try to keep up appearances of being a community site, but in reality MRC turned into a hypocrite, elitist group, who try to cover up things that make them look bad. Now, because they know I'm right, they are trying to cover up me. ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center
Hmmm, Quite funny to read about FAF again, that has been a LONG LONG time since we did anything with that. *grin* (smiles nostalgic). And MEP? Sorry.. MEP was by me, not by Patriek. I think you mean GEM? Best Regards, TFH http://www.file-hunter.com - Original Message - From: Adrian Oboroc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [MSX] MSX Resource Center Hello, Patriek Just make a jaw-dropping demo and bash all the cock-suckers in it ;) This is the way groups and individuals used to fight in good old days, and it always was fun and attracting more people into the scene :) FAC was bashing C=64 folks, then FAF bashed FAC and so on and on! And if your opponents don't have the skills to answer with a counter-strike demo of their own - well, they will prove they suck, and you rock! All the MSX mob will be on your side, to take over the world :) Seriously, don't take it so serious. Everyone knows msx.org news are full of crap sometimes, but at least they do something on almost daily basis. I love your MSX Bonzai and MEP, but those are static, you don't have news section. No new content, no new code... And your GB emu is for extremely leet hardware that probably only you and Padial himself have. I like your work, and I respect your opinion. If you hate the guts of someone (even myself), just prove them wrong by contributing a new demo or game of high quality with your very special message. In this case your opinion will be known forever! Have fun, Adrian MSX Resource Center, also known as msx.org, is not what they pretend to be. MRC makes appeasing promises and statements over and over, which are proved false or worthless later. They try to keep up appearances of being a community site, but in reality MRC turned into a hypocrite, elitist group, who try to cover up things that make them look bad. Now, because they know I'm right, they are trying to cover up me. ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx ___ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
