[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107042] Re: Auto-login broken in 2.1

2013-02-26 Thread Jeremy Akers
Is the fix available in a downloadable release yet?  2.1 is still the
newest release I see on the downloads page.

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  Auto-login broken in 2.1

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Fix Released

Bug description:
  Auto-login worked fine in mudlet 2.1, but since upgrading to 2.1
  whenever it submits the username/password the MUD responds with:

  Name contains invalid characters, try again.

  This is on A Moment in Tyme MUD located at tymemud.com port 6969.

  Operating System: Ubuntu

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1097953] Re: mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside program

2013-02-26 Thread Sean Stone
I did, nothing.
On Feb 26, 2013 3:25 AM, Heiko 1097...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:

 If there is no paste in the menu, you need to focus the commandline
 first - click

 Am 26.02.2013 02:56, schrieb Sean Stone:
  I use ctrl+v, if I try to right click there is no paste.
 
  On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Heiko 1097...@bugs.launchpad.net
  wrote:
 
  How do you paste into Mudlet? crtl+v or right click-insert?
 
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  Title:
 mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside
 program
 
  Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
 New
 
  Bug description:
 So here's my problem: if I am in mudlet (using version 2.1) and on
 Windows 7 x64, I can copy and paste text just fine, both pasting to
 mudlet and to outside programs, however when I copy text, for example
 a URL in google chrome, and try to paste it into mudlet, it acts as
 if
 nothing is copied. However, if I then go to notepad and paste, it
 will
 paste just fine.
 
 I know a few others who have the same issue...I'd really like to see
 this getting fixed, it's greatly hindering my ability to do my job on
 Aetolia.
 
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 Bug description:
   So here's my problem: if I am in mudlet (using version 2.1) and on
   Windows 7 x64, I can copy and paste text just fine, both pasting to
   mudlet and to outside programs, however when I copy text, for example
   a URL in google chrome, and try to paste it into mudlet, it acts as if
   nothing is copied. However, if I then go to notepad and paste, it will
   paste just fine.

   I know a few others who have the same issue...I'd really like to see
   this getting fixed, it's greatly hindering my ability to do my job on
   Aetolia.

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Title:
  mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside
  program

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  So here's my problem: if I am in mudlet (using version 2.1) and on
  Windows 7 x64, I can copy and paste text just fine, both pasting to
  mudlet and to outside programs, however when I copy text, for example
  a URL in google chrome, and try to paste it into mudlet, it acts as if
  nothing is copied. However, if I then go to notepad and paste, it will
  paste just fine.

  I know a few others who have the same issue...I'd really like to see
  this getting fixed, it's greatly hindering my ability to do my job on
  Aetolia.

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Heiko
Then show me the RFC that defines it :-)

Am 26.02.2013 17:20, schrieb Jeremy Akers:
 The behavior of tabs are well known and defined since the age of
 typewriters.  Saying a tab character is technically undefined is
 absolutely incorrect.  See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_key  and
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_stop

 Yes most systems allow users to change the tab stop setting, but it
 generally defaults to 8 unless the user changes it.

 Just replacing tabs with x number of spaces is also wrong.  Tabs are
 meant to create tabular data.  They are generally set up to create 8
 column tab stops

 So:

 Text\tMore text

 would display as:

 TextMore Text

 and:

 Someone\tMore Text

 Would be:

 Someone More text

 Basically the word More should always start at the 9th column due to
 the use of the tab character here.  Even the crappy Windows telnet.exe
 handles tabs properly.


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  does not resolve the \t character

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107048] Re: Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

2013-02-26 Thread Heiko
Where's the server located? I'm based in Germany and I've never 
encountered such blockades before.

@all
Any developer who can connect to this server?

Am 26.02.2013 15:40, schrieb Jeremy Akers:
 [ INFO ] - looking up the IP address of server:tymemud.com:6969 ...
 [ INFO ] - The IP address of tymemud.com has been found. It is:
 99.67.235.173
 [ INFO ] - trying to connect to 99.67.235.173:6969 ...

 If there's a firewall it's on your side.  I've got 17 players connected
 right now and there were 30 last night when you said it was
 unreachable...

 Tabs are technically undefined.

 That's interesting.  Why is it that Windows telnet.exe, putty, CMUD,
 GMUD, ZMUD, Tiny Fugue, MUSHCLient, and every other MUD client on the
 planet has no problem with them?


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Title:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on A Moment in Tyme MUD (tymemud.com
  port 6969).  You can see the problem by logging on, creating any new
  character and typing 'score'.

  mudlet version 2.1 and 2.0 (I tried both versions)
  OS: Ubuntu

  See screenshot

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107042] Re: Auto-login broken in 2.1

2013-02-26 Thread Vadim Peretokin
It is not yet.

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Title:
  Auto-login broken in 2.1

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Fix Released

Bug description:
  Auto-login worked fine in mudlet 2.1, but since upgrading to 2.1
  whenever it submits the username/password the MUD responds with:

  Name contains invalid characters, try again.

  This is on A Moment in Tyme MUD located at tymemud.com port 6969.

  Operating System: Ubuntu

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107048] Re: Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

2013-02-26 Thread Jeremy Akers
It's in Austin, TX, USA.

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Title:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on A Moment in Tyme MUD (tymemud.com
  port 6969).  You can see the problem by logging on, creating any new
  character and typing 'score'.

  mudlet version 2.1 and 2.0 (I tried both versions)
  OS: Ubuntu

  See screenshot

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Jeremy Akers
First of all:  Not every technical definition exists in an RFC.  This is
functionality that every other MUD client has, and even basic telnet
apps like Windows telnet.exe and puttytel.exe also support.  There is
support for TABs in HTML and CSS as well.  It's a well supported
character across the spectrum.

But to answer your question:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc654
and
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc659

For more:
http://www.thoughtproject.com/libraries/telnet/Reference/RFCs.htm

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Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107048] Re: Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

2013-02-26 Thread Heiko
i get this far too but i get no futher :)

Am 26.02.2013 21:57, schrieb Vadim Peretokin:
 I can connect:

 [ INFO ]  -  looking up the IP address of server:tymemud.com:6969 ...
 [ INFO ]  -  The IP address of tymemud.com has been found. It is:
 99.67.235.173
 [ INFO ]  -  trying to connect to 99.67.235.173:6969 ...
 [ INFO ]  -  A connection has been established successfully.

 Heiko couldn't connect to launchpad.com at one point either...


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Title:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on A Moment in Tyme MUD (tymemud.com
  port 6969).  You can see the problem by logging on, creating any new
  character and typing 'score'.

  mudlet version 2.1 and 2.0 (I tried both versions)
  OS: Ubuntu

  See screenshot

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Heiko
Does your game support RFC654? I have yet to see a game that does.
Your cited RFC 659 doesn't define anything about tabs.

Let me quote RFC 854:

Horizontal Tab (HT) 9  Moves the printer to the
 next horizontal tab stop.
 It remains unspecified how
 either party determines or
 establishes where such tab
 stops are located.

And this is why I say tab is undefined. I wrote my first computer 
program 1982 and I'm well aware of how tabs have been used historically. 
I'm also aware that some clients somehow handle tabs or the underlying 
terminal handles it for them. However, the questions still remains:
1. Neither game nor client know where the other party defines the tab 
positions.
2. What happens if the user sets word wrap to 20 and we use the most 
common 8-Tab-Stop-Position. Your game sends 
this/tis/tgetting/tdifficult How do you wrapt the lines? How about tab 
pos #3?
3. What happens if the user has triggers on this line that do larger 
text replacements in-line, insert newlines etc.?

Don't get me wrong, I'm still open for discussion but I think that games 
simply should not use tabs. Backspaces, VT100 control codes etc. are all 
things that have no room in modern clients because they are yesterday's 
tech and have no room in users actually use modern clients.

Am 26.02.2013 21:15, schrieb Jeremy Akers:
 First of all:  Not every technical definition exists in an RFC.  This is
 functionality that every other MUD client has, and even basic telnet
 apps like Windows telnet.exe and puttytel.exe also support.  There is
 support for TABs in HTML and CSS as well.  It's a well supported
 character across the spectrum.

 But to answer your question:

 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc654
 and
 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc659

 For more:
 http://www.thoughtproject.com/libraries/telnet/Reference/RFCs.htm


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  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107048] Re: Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

2013-02-26 Thread Vadim Peretokin
Oh - I saw the welcome screen adter this.

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Title:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on A Moment in Tyme MUD (tymemud.com
  port 6969).  You can see the problem by logging on, creating any new
  character and typing 'score'.

  mudlet version 2.1 and 2.0 (I tried both versions)
  OS: Ubuntu

  See screenshot

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Jeremy Akers
Again, you asked for an RFC, and I provided one.  I never said my game
supported it.  In fact RFC 654 doesn't require support from the game
side, because it specifically says:

The guiding rules are that:

  1) if neither data receiver nor data sender wants to handle output
  horizontal tab characters, the data receiver must do it,

Mudlet, in this case, is the data receiver.  It should be able to handle
them.  All you'd need to do is add a configuration option where users
can specify how many columns they want for a tab stop.  Supporting tabs
is not difficult.  All you have to do is pad spaces until you reach a
number of spaces that is evenly divisible by the number of columns in a
tab stop (Which should default to 8, unless otherwise configured by a
user).

Backspaces, VT100 control codes etc. are all
things that have no room in modern clients because they are yesterday's
tech and have no room in users actually use modern clients.

I'm sorry, but you can't be serious.  MUDs are built on ancient
technology *by definition*.  And this is supposed to be a MUD client.
They use TELNET as their primary protocol.  For you to say you don't
want to support TABs because it's yesterday's tech given the context
makes me LOL a little bit.

There are likely tons of MUDs out there using tabs.  Web browsers
support it, CSS supports it, ever other MUD client supports it... I just
don't understand the push back for supporting it.  Especially since it
would be quite simple to properly support.  And I don't mean just
replace tabs with N characters.  Replace it with the appropriate number
of characters so that it evenly pads out to whatever the tab stop is as
defined by the user.

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  does not resolve the \t character

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107048] Re: Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

2013-02-26 Thread Jeremy Akers
I don't think it matters about connecting or not.  I've checked and the
score sheet is definitely using tab characters.  This bug should be
marked as a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/mudlet/+bug/1099688
rather than being marked Invalid.

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Title:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on A Moment in Tyme MUD (tymemud.com
  port 6969).  You can see the problem by logging on, creating any new
  character and typing 'score'.

  mudlet version 2.1 and 2.0 (I tried both versions)
  OS: Ubuntu

  See screenshot

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Heiko
You haven't explained how you'd solve my 3 open questions.


Am 26.02.2013 23:08, schrieb Jeremy Akers:
 Again, you asked for an RFC, and I provided one.  I never said my game
 supported it.  In fact RFC 654 doesn't require support from the game
 side, because it specifically says:

 The guiding rules are that:

1) if neither data receiver nor data sender wants to handle output
horizontal tab characters, the data receiver must do it,

 Mudlet, in this case, is the data receiver.  It should be able to handle
 them.  All you'd need to do is add a configuration option where users
 can specify how many columns they want for a tab stop.  Supporting tabs
 is not difficult.  All you have to do is pad spaces until you reach a
 number of spaces that is evenly divisible by the number of columns in a
 tab stop (Which should default to 8, unless otherwise configured by a
 user).

 Backspaces, VT100 control codes etc. are all
 things that have no room in modern clients because they are yesterday's
 tech and have no room in users actually use modern clients.

 I'm sorry, but you can't be serious.  MUDs are built on ancient
 technology *by definition*.  And this is supposed to be a MUD client.
 They use TELNET as their primary protocol.  For you to say you don't
 want to support TABs because it's yesterday's tech given the context
 makes me LOL a little bit.

 There are likely tons of MUDs out there using tabs.  Web browsers
 support it, CSS supports it, ever other MUD client supports it... I just
 don't understand the push back for supporting it.  Especially since it
 would be quite simple to properly support.  And I don't mean just
 replace tabs with N characters.  Replace it with the appropriate number
 of characters so that it evenly pads out to whatever the tab stop is as
 defined by the user.


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Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1107048] Re: Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

2013-02-26 Thread Vadim Peretokin
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1099688 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1099688

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1099688
   does not resolve the \t character

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  Score sheet text appears jumbled on tymemud.com port 6969

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  Score sheet text appears jumbled on A Moment in Tyme MUD (tymemud.com
  port 6969).  You can see the problem by logging on, creating any new
  character and typing 'score'.

  mudlet version 2.1 and 2.0 (I tried both versions)
  OS: Ubuntu

  See screenshot

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Jeremy Akers
I'd start by looking at how other clients handle it those three cases.
This isn't the world's first MUD client so you have the luxury of being
able to look at how the competition is handling these cases.

1. Neither game nor client know where the other party defines the tab
positions.

So?  That's between the game and the user.  The client just needs to let
the user config the behavior and the user can then configure it based on
the expected behavior of the game he's connecting to.

2. What happens if the user sets word wrap to 20 and we use the most
common 8-Tab-Stop-Position. Your game sends
this/tis/tgetting/tdifficult How do you wrapt the lines? How about tab
pos #3?

When it wraps, the tab stops start over:

thisis
getting_difficult  (Underscores indicate where client should pad spaces)

Position 0 of the second line would be the next tab stop since we
wrapped around.  So is and difficult should line up.

3. What happens if the user has triggers on this line that do larger
text replacements in-line, insert newlines etc.?

Why would this be an issue?  This behavior wouldn't need to change.

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  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1099688] Re: does not resolve the \t character

2013-02-26 Thread Brian M. Workman
A client shouldn't force their desired behaviour on the game. A client
isn't a Cause, it's a viewport to the information and it should
represent it as faithfully to the anticipated output as it can.

I don't want to give up on MUDlet, it looks amazing and it works and
shows a lot of hard work. I want to promote MUDlet to the players of my
game. It's cross platform. That's beautiful. It means I don't have to
say For Windows use this for Mac use this and all the options will
work regardless of what platform, that's heaven and it lets players help
each other.

I was close to promoting MUSHclient for our Windows users, but stopped
short because I ran into some confusing arrogance. They don't let you do
aliases with variable (0 to X) number of arguments. The answer: users
should script it. That's ridiculous. I have no idea what level of tech
savvy other games enjoy in with playerbases, but ours ranges from 18
years old to 60+ a FEW of whom might be able to write their own scripts,
but most would just copy/paste code and would have no idea what to do
beyond that and as a game administrator, we don't want to support
clients, we want to support the game.

Again, I really want to promote this client, it looks awesome and I
think it can work, please is there not something that can be done in the
build? If it's a technical limitation (like, is it a drawing issue?) I
can accept that even though I've never encountered this before.

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Title:
  does not resolve the \t character

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  Mudlet does not seem to support the \t character (tab). On muds where
  this is used, Mudlet prints nothing. It does not indent at all. What
  is expected is either showing the tab character or 8 spaces, but
  neither happens, and things that are aligned using tabs make things
  look all wonky, like maps, etc.

  Mudlet: 2.1
  OS: OSX 10.8.2

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Re: [Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1097953] Re: mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside program

2013-02-26 Thread Sean Stone
Alright, I tried it on my wife's computer, she uses Mudlet 2.0 test 4 and
it copies/pastes just fine. I'm going to install the latest version of
Mudlet to see if that may fix it. However, this never happend until I
updated to 2.1, previously I used 1.2.0-pre5 and never had any such issues.
I'll get back to you!

Thank you for your assistance with this!

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Vadim Peretokin
vpereto...@gmail.comwrote:

 Can you try this on another computer with Mudlet installed? Nobody else we
 know of has this problem - maybe you have 3rd party software blocking it or
 odd Windows settings.

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 Title:
   mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside
   program

 Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
   New

 Bug description:
   So here's my problem: if I am in mudlet (using version 2.1) and on
   Windows 7 x64, I can copy and paste text just fine, both pasting to
   mudlet and to outside programs, however when I copy text, for example
   a URL in google chrome, and try to paste it into mudlet, it acts as if
   nothing is copied. However, if I then go to notepad and paste, it will
   paste just fine.

   I know a few others who have the same issue...I'd really like to see
   this getting fixed, it's greatly hindering my ability to do my job on
   Aetolia.

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Title:
  mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside
  program

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  So here's my problem: if I am in mudlet (using version 2.1) and on
  Windows 7 x64, I can copy and paste text just fine, both pasting to
  mudlet and to outside programs, however when I copy text, for example
  a URL in google chrome, and try to paste it into mudlet, it acts as if
  nothing is copied. However, if I then go to notepad and paste, it will
  paste just fine.

  I know a few others who have the same issue...I'd really like to see
  this getting fixed, it's greatly hindering my ability to do my job on
  Aetolia.

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[Mudlet-makers] [Bug 1097953] Re: mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside program

2013-02-26 Thread Sean Stone
Alright, so I installed 2.1 and it's still not allowing me to paste into
mudlet from other programs.

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Title:
  mudlet won't allow me to paste text being copied from an outside
  program

Status in Mudlet the MUD client:
  New

Bug description:
  So here's my problem: if I am in mudlet (using version 2.1) and on
  Windows 7 x64, I can copy and paste text just fine, both pasting to
  mudlet and to outside programs, however when I copy text, for example
  a URL in google chrome, and try to paste it into mudlet, it acts as if
  nothing is copied. However, if I then go to notepad and paste, it will
  paste just fine.

  I know a few others who have the same issue...I'd really like to see
  this getting fixed, it's greatly hindering my ability to do my job on
  Aetolia.

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