Re: [mb-style] multi-disc releases / box sets.
On 17 Jul 2008, at 08:15, Kuno Woudt wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:21:45PM -0400, Aaron Cooper wrote:
1. How will we link 8-disc sets? Link discs 2-8 to disc 1? That
might work... if you visit the first disc, it pulls the other discs
from the AR and if you visit one of the other discs it pulls from
disc
1 and all disc 1's related discs.
I'm quite OK with linking all of them to the first disc.
I think linking all of them to the first disc is best, once you get
past a few discs it would require a lot of queries to find all of the
discs, whereas the order is usually reasonably easy to work out from
the titles.
http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=%22disc+10%
22type=releaselimit=25adv=on also suggests that having a lot of
discs isn't that uncommon!
2. Is it appropriate to link bonus discs with a release even though
not all releases of a release came with the bonus disc? I guess it
wouldn't hurt and would be interesting if you could see the different
bonus discs that came with a release.
This might encourage duplicates if certain people (people like me _)
want the AR to be accurate, and split up a release into a version with
and one without the bonus disc. This should probably be specifically
allowed or disallowed in the guidelines accompanying the AR.
I don't think there is a way to link an AR to a specific release
event,
but this isn't the first AR to rub against that issue (think re-
releases
or remasters with different credits).
I was thinking about it, how about:
album B is part of a release with {all releases of} album A
or something similar? That would allow people to link bonus discs
while keeping the information about which discs always go together
and which only come with some of the releases. Of course, it won't
tell us *which* releases have bonus discs, but with the current
system it's not possible without duplication. :(
I'd definitely like to see something like this and I think it is a
step in the right direction (grouping multiple-disc releases).
Great, I feared I'd be the only one thinking this was a good idea :)
A lot of people seem to be asking about it in IRC too. I haven't
actually seen anyone say it's a bad idea.
Nikki
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Re: [mb-style] multi-disc releases / box sets.
2008/6/26 Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to have an AR to group multiple discs of a single releases. This would be intended as a temporary solution until we get proper release and boxset support with NGS. Considering this, not all that much time should be wasted on it. In it's simplest form, I would suggest an AR like this: album B is part of a release with album A What is the advantage over adding this as an annotation to each of the discs involved? Jan (zout) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] multi-disc releases / box sets.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Jan van Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/26 Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to have an AR to group multiple discs of a single releases. This would be intended as a temporary solution until we get proper release and boxset support with NGS. Considering this, not all that much time should be wasted on it. In it's simplest form, I would suggest an AR like this: album B is part of a release with album A What is the advantage over adding this as an annotation to each of the discs involved? An annotation is of course a solution, but with a proper technical solution it becomes possible to find and group discs that belong together automatically. -- Philipp Wolfer ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] multi-disc releases / box sets.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:35:07AM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote: 2008/6/26 Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to have an AR to group multiple discs of a single releases. This would be intended as a temporary solution until we get proper release and boxset support with NGS. Considering this, not all that much time should be wasted on it. In it's simplest form, I would suggest an AR like this: album B is part of a release with album A What is the advantage over adding this as an annotation to each of the discs involved? Machine readable. In my current musicbrainz related scripts I'm grouping multiple discs of a single release together based on their release titles. I have encountered many releases which don't neatly fit the (disc 1, disc 2) or (title, bonus disc) schemes, these releases confuse my script -- and instead of coding increasingly complicated heuristics it would be cleaner if I had _some_ structured way to record this information with musicbrainz and be able to query it. IMO, an AR for this is a simple solution which can be implemented now with relative ease, and will be easily converted to NGS whenever that materializes. -- kuno / warp. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] multi-disc releases / box sets.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:35:07AM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote: 2008/6/26 Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to have an AR to group multiple discs of a single releases. This would be intended as a temporary solution until we get proper release and boxset support with NGS. Considering this, not all that much time should be wasted on it. In it's simplest form, I would suggest an AR like this: album B is part of a release with album A What is the advantage over adding this as an annotation to each of the discs involved? Machine readable. In my current musicbrainz related scripts I'm grouping multiple discs of a single release together based on their release titles. I have encountered many releases which don't neatly fit the (disc 1, disc 2) or (title, bonus disc) schemes, these releases confuse my script -- and instead of coding increasingly complicated heuristics it would be cleaner if I had _some_ structured way to record this information with musicbrainz and be able to query it. IMO, an AR for this is a simple solution which can be implemented now with relative ease, and will be easily converted to NGS whenever that materializes. Some things I thought could use some discussion: 1. How will we link 8-disc sets? Link discs 2-8 to disc 1? That might work... if you visit the first disc, it pulls the other discs from the AR and if you visit one of the other discs it pulls from disc 1 and all disc 1's related discs. 2. Is it appropriate to link bonus discs with a release even though not all releases of a release came with the bonus disc? I guess it wouldn't hurt and would be interesting if you could see the different bonus discs that came with a release. I'd definitely like to see something like this and I think it is a step in the right direction (grouping multiple-disc releases). -Aaron ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
