Re: Why would setting dsn_notify _return disrupt normal mail-sending?

2000-06-28 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

Russell Hoover proclaimed on mutt-users that:

I've just gotten mutt to work on a new (backup) ISP.  (And at least until I
persuade the sysadmin to upgrade, it's mutt 0.95.7i).  It took me the

Pity :)

*longest* time to be able to send any mail.  Then I finally realized I had
to disable "dsn_notify" and "dsn_return" in my .muttrc in order for any
mail at all to be sent out.

Maybe your ISP is running a non DSN aware MTA, or has disabled DSN?

If you have pine on that box, enable receipts
(enable-delivery-status-notification in the setup/configure section) and
try sending a mail asking for a receipt (^X and D)

If your ISP _is_ running an older sendmail, tell him to upgrade or it's
fair game for any 3l337 h4x0r d00d who comes along.  Panix runs postfix -
and that shouldn't be a problem.  They also have very clued sysadmins,
IIRC.  So I'm assuming it's your alternate ISP which is a problem.

-suresh
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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread Thomas Roessler

On 2000-06-27 22:57:05 -0500, Ronny Haryanto wrote:

 I'm having a similar problem. I just ditched 5.0i and
 installed 6.5.2. However there are no 'pkspxycwrap' or
 'pgpring' command as used in the pgp6.rc sample
 included with mutt's source. Which version of PGP
 exactly do the developers use that has pkspxycwrap and
 pgpring?

pgpring and pgpewarp are part of the mutt distribution.
pkspxycwrap is the "wrap.sh" script from the pkspxy
package.



Re: Mail-Followup-To and Reply-To

2000-06-28 Thread Thomas Roessler

On 2000-06-27 20:40:16 -0700, fman wrote:

 try my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -- 
 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
 Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux)
 Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org
 
 mQGiBDlYQxYRBACHDSw/JNcmvvZeQQMKq954FHbiyJHyNZ+clwwdFPzIOsxiq3AW
 r5T1Xk2mPYqF8cQEqUQME8jHGaBUf2ty+zn+C/2In80LzZ3KslY839wRWS0ICbbI
 rgdEPhBpWL75k+tInP4A5v3zluN4nt6a1/z1GMJXkG9sV1zDg+MY3YMDowCgi++u
[snip]

Don't you think this is a bit exaggerated?  signatures
(.signatures, to be more precise, not cryptographic
signatures) are generally supposed to be 4 lines long, not
40 (or something).

For distributing your PGP public key, please use the key
servers or your web page.




Re: Yet another FAQ

2000-06-28 Thread Kai Blin

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:50:54PM -0700, fman wrote:
How do I get started using PGP/GPG with mutt?
 try http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mutt-GnuPG-PGP-HOWTO.html
  
  them to a good tutorial, or at least give directions including how to
  generate a key and how to use it.
 
 http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystorysid=2000/5/1/17058/47630
 http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/book1.html
 

I think it wasn't a question _how_ to do it. And it wouldn't do for an "How
do I..." page to point to some HOWTO page. Yes, shure, the user should read
that, but it's supposed to be for beginners, isn't it?

Kai

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Re: those users

2000-06-28 Thread Martin Schröder

On 2000-06-27 20:15:57 -0700, fman wrote:
 How about mailing once a week all the sites that have info on mutt and where to get 
them. There has got to be more than just mutt.org 's manual, right? Or maybe someone 
can create start a weekly tutorial that walks you step-by-step on mutt.For instance 
you can create a list especially for newbies that mail's the a new lesson every week 
on mutt. Or host it on a site. I guess I could volunteer to dosomething like that, 
but I think there is an expert on mutt that would do it.

Have a look at 
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/Mail/Unix/Mutt/

Best regards
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Re: those users

2000-06-28 Thread Kai Blin

Quite true.
Come to think of it: the first section in the "How do I..." stuff should be
How do I ask questions correctly, How do I read the manual and What the hell
does RTFM mean?? :)

Kai
 
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Re: feature request: delayed delete

2000-06-28 Thread Eugene Lee

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:20:29AM -0500, Carlos Puchol wrote:
:
:i have a mailbox with 3000 messages and the problem is that
:i keep on leaving stuff there that i think i will need later,
:but stays there for years.
:
:the idea is to delay-delete a message. the idea is to
:mark a message for deletion, but not delete it for a while.
:say i set my 'delay-delete' to 14 days. messages i would
:delete today will actually get removed from my inbox the
:first time i do an update on my inbox, at or after 14 days
:from from today (i.e. from the time i deleted them).

Actually, I'd like to have add some kind of search pattern to the
message-tagging functions.  For example, if I knew that I have a bunch
of messages from Januaary and February 2000, I'd like to be to be able
to tag them, then do with them as I will.  AFAIK, this isn't a feature
in Mutt.  I know I could tag by searching all the "Date:" fields, but
those dates aren't quite standard (the same datetime could come in
different formats or in different timezones).

Besides tagging messages by absolute datetimes, this could be extended
to your specific problem by allowing relative datetime patterns.  So you
could do things like tag messages that are 14 days old or older.

What does everyone else think?


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Re: searching and collapsed threads

2000-06-28 Thread Eugene Lee

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 03:41:05PM -0400, David T-G wrote:
:...and then Jeremy Blosser said...
:% David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

:%  I have just discovered that searches do not look inside collapsed
:%  threads.

[...]

:% It's considered correct that Mutt treats messages hidden by thread
:% collapsing the same way it treats ones hidden by a 'limit' -- as though
:% they didn't exist.  So if you limit messages, then search, you won't get
:% results from messages not in the limit, and the same if you collapse
:% threads.

[...]

:% It's debatable whether this should be -- it makes sense in some ways, since
:% you could hurt yourself with a delete-pattern that affects collapsed
:% threads when you didn't realize it would, but doesn't make sense in other
:% ways, such as your current example.  No one has suggested/implemented
:% something better, though.
:
:I suppose a $search_within_collapsed or $match_within_collapsed variable
:is in order ;-)

I'm used to different behavior from other threaded reader applications
on the Mac and PC side.  Starting with an index of messages with some
threads collapsed, if I do a search, and some of the search results are
in messages belonging to collapsed threads, the application uncollapses
only those threads to reveal the matched message(s).  What do you think
of this behavior?  Good idea?  Bad idea?


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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Michael Tatge

Shawn D. McPeek muttered:
 
 And mention that a 32 line sig on a 3 line message is a bit excessive :)

[full quote deleted]

The same goes to full quoting of cause :-)
And - to whom it may concern - quoting sigs!

HTH,

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Re: save-hook not working

2000-06-28 Thread Michael Tatge

jon rust muttered:
   save-hook =customer.in =archived/customer
 
 However, when I press 's' while reading a message, 
 or while in the folder index (in customer.in) it guesses at the save file 
 name (based on the From: address). What am I missing?

In memory of the recent discussion on this list: RTFM. Your save-hook
syntax is crude.
See sections 3.14, 4.2 and 4.4.


HTH,

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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Sven Guckes

* fman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000628 04:16]:
 The muttfaq says to send suggestions to this list.
 I suggest someone write a book on how to use mutt.
 Maybe a small book like those o'reilly pocket references.
 Mutt is popular enought to deserve one, no?

I had suggested this to O'Reilly two years ago.
They said there was no market for this and -
"mutt is an alpha version program"...
Maybe I should ask Tim O'Reilly personally?

Sven



Re: feature request: delayed delete

2000-06-28 Thread Sven Guckes

* Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000628 09:21]:
 On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:20:29AM -0500, Carlos Puchol wrote:
 :the idea is to delay-delete a message. the idea is to
 :mark a message for deletion, but not delete it for a while.
 :say i set my 'delay-delete' to 14 days.
 
 .. So you could do things like tag messages
 that are 14 days old or older.

Yes, you "delete by pattern" and use
"older than two weeks" as the pattern.
You can even bind it to a macro and you
can can have mutt execute it on startup.

But it may break threads which are about
two weeks old.  Not a good idea.

PS: Please quote with " " - thankyou!

Sven



Re: those users

2000-06-28 Thread David T-G

Kai --

...and then Kai Blin said...
% Quite true.
% Come to think of it: the first section in the "How do I..." stuff should be
% How do I ask questions correctly, How do I read the manual and What the hell

Actually, that sounds like a very very good idea.  Perhaps the first part
of the web page should have that, too!


% does RTFM mean?? :)

*grin*  Nah, we won't tell 'em that one :-)


% 
% Kai


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Re: searching and collapsed threads

2000-06-28 Thread David T-G

Eugene, et al --

...and then Eugene Lee said...
% On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 03:41:05PM -0400, David T-G wrote:
% :...and then Jeremy Blosser said...
% :% David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
% 
% :%  I have just discovered that searches do not look inside collapsed
% :%  threads.
...
% 
% :% It's debatable whether this should be -- it makes sense in some ways, since
% :% you could hurt yourself with a delete-pattern that affects collapsed
...
% 
% I'm used to different behavior from other threaded reader applications
% on the Mac and PC side.  Starting with an index of messages with some

I haven't played with other readers, but the current behavior goes
against what I find intuitive -- which, by definition, is absolutely and
unequivocably right ;-)


% threads collapsed, if I do a search, and some of the search results are
% in messages belonging to collapsed threads, the application uncollapses
% only those threads to reveal the matched message(s).  What do you think
% of this behavior?  Good idea?  Bad idea?

Personally, I think it's a good idea, and I'm not worried about pattern
deletes (today, anyway :-) as Jeremy noted might be a problem.  This
behavior is prett much what I expected.

I've also found, though I can't remember in which version and now can't
replicated it because the message in question in no longer in a thread,
that 

  - sorting by threads
  - collapsing all
  - sorting some other way (eg from)
  - selecting a message that would be down in a thread
  - sorting by threads

leaves the display kinda confused and utterly blank (yes, my index had
nothing listed and the cursor somewhere around the middle of the left
side as though it were pointing to something); moving down was no good
and moving up brought me to a refresh showing that I was pointing to the
last message in the box.  While this may have been a temporary bug, I
would expect that mutt would at least point me at the thread head and
be able to paint the display :-) but I'd like to see it open the thread
and point me to the right message directly.

Speaking of which, is there a collapse-subthread command?  I can't find
it or make it happen...


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% 
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Re: feature request: delayed delete

2000-06-28 Thread Marius Gedminas

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:14:28AM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote:
 Actually, I'd like to have add some kind of search pattern to the
 message-tagging functions.  For example, if I knew that I have a bunch
 of messages from Januaary and February 2000, I'd like to be to be able
 to tag them, then do with them as I will.  AFAIK, this isn't a feature
 in Mutt.  I know I could tag by searching all the "Date:" fields, but
 those dates aren't quite standard (the same datetime could come in
 different formats or in different timezones).
 
 Besides tagging messages by absolute datetimes, this could be extended
 to your specific problem by allowing relative datetime patterns.  So you
 could do things like tag messages that are 14 days old or older.

So what's wrong with ~d and ~r?

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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Marius Gedminas

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 09:25:10PM -0700, Shawn D. McPeek wrote:
 And mention that a 32 line sig on a 3 line message is a bit excessive :)

Quoting style should get some attention too... ;)

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Re: save-hook not working

2000-06-28 Thread Marius Gedminas

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:35:01PM -0700, jon rust wrote:
 I've got
 
   save-hook =customer.in =archived/customer
 
 in my dot-muttrc file. However, when I press 's' while reading a message, 
 or while in the folder index (in customer.in) it guesses at the save file 
 name (based on the From: address). What am I missing?

Unfortunately, save-hooks match folder names.  You could use a
folder-hook to set the default save location (that is, redefine
save-hooks within folder-hooks).  Or you could use different way of
determining the save location (e.g. matching by To: field).

See also: section 4.2 of the fine manual.

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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Gerhard den Hollander

* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:19:20PM +0200)
 * fman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000628 04:16]:
 The muttfaq says to send suggestions to this list.
 I suggest someone write a book on how to use mutt.
 Maybe a small book like those o'reilly pocket references.
 Mutt is popular enought to deserve one, no?

 I had suggested this to O'Reilly two years ago.
 They said there was no market for this and -
 "mutt is an alpha version program"...

NOt anymore it isn't.

But with the rapid changes in mutt (both in adding new features and
variables) and changing behaviour, there's hardly a window lbg enough to
get a book out.

Estimate about 6 months to write a book from scratch.
In order for the book to sell well it should stay up to date for at least 6
months, preferably longer .

If/When mutt becomes stable in the sense that existing behaviour will not
change in at least a 6 month period there moght eb a chance to get o'Reilly
interested again.

But I suggest getting a good online documentation set first, and if there
is a bookable option, use that information as a starting point.

(note, this does involve some more or less complicated (c) issues with
contributors to the online docs ...

 Maybe I should ask Tim O'Reilly personally?
 
 Sven
 

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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Martin Schröder

On 2000-06-28 14:20:02 +0200, Gerhard den Hollander wrote:
 (note, this does involve some more or less complicated (c) issues with
 contributors to the online docs ...

Not necessarily; Open Content with restrictions on printing is
always an option (this is how "The Cathedral and the Bazar" works).

Best regards
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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread Hardy Merrill

Thomas Roessler [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 On 2000-06-27 22:57:05 -0500, Ronny Haryanto wrote:
 
  I'm having a similar problem. I just ditched 5.0i and
  installed 6.5.2. However there are no 'pkspxycwrap' or
  'pgpring' command as used in the pgp6.rc sample
  included with mutt's source. Which version of PGP
  exactly do the developers use that has pkspxycwrap and
  pgpring?
 
 pgpring and pgpewarp are part of the mutt distribution.
 pkspxycwrap is the "wrap.sh" script from the pkspxy
 package.

I found some hits on "pkspxy" referring to Debian pkspxy:

"PGP Public Key Server Proxy Daemon Description: This package..." 

I'm on a Redhat 6.1 Linux system with Mutt 1.2i - and I
*didn't* find the same package on Redhat's site.  Where can
I find that package, and where can I find some documentation
on what it does and how to use it?

TIA.

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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Daniel Monjar

On 06/27 21:12 -0700, fman wrote:
 The muttfaq says to send suggestions to this list. I suggest someone write a
  book on how to use mutt. Maybe a small book like those o'reilly pocket 
 references. Mutt is popular enought to deserve one, no?

but then clueless people would start using it...

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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread Jim Simmons

There's a reference in 1.2.2's NEWS file.  It is out of date, but I followed
it and ended up at:

http://www.guug.de/~roessler/bits.html

which has a link to:

http://www.guug.de/~roessler/pkspxy-0.5.tar.gz

I haven't installed it yet, though.

Jim

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:11:38AM -0400, Hardy Merrill wrote:
 Thomas Roessler [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
  On 2000-06-27 22:57:05 -0500, Ronny Haryanto wrote:
  
   I'm having a similar problem. I just ditched 5.0i and
   installed 6.5.2. However there are no 'pkspxycwrap' or
   'pgpring' command as used in the pgp6.rc sample
   included with mutt's source. Which version of PGP
   exactly do the developers use that has pkspxycwrap and
   pgpring?
  
  pgpring and pgpewarp are part of the mutt distribution.
  pkspxycwrap is the "wrap.sh" script from the pkspxy
  package.
 
 I found some hits on "pkspxy" referring to Debian pkspxy:
 
 "PGP Public Key Server Proxy Daemon Description: This package..." 
 
 I'm on a Redhat 6.1 Linux system with Mutt 1.2i - and I
 *didn't* find the same package on Redhat's site.  Where can
 I find that package, and where can I find some documentation
 on what it does and how to use it?
 
 TIA.
 
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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread Ken W

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000, Sven Guckes wrote:
 * fman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000628 04:16]:
  The muttfaq says to send suggestions to this list.
  I suggest someone write a book on how to use mutt.
  Maybe a small book like those o'reilly pocket references.
  Mutt is popular enought to deserve one, no?
 
 I had suggested this to O'Reilly two years ago.
 They said there was no market for this and -
 "mutt is an alpha version program"...
 Maybe I should ask Tim O'Reilly personally?

Unfortunately I think O'Reilly is right.  I don't think they would
sell many books on mutt alone.  Probably the closest thing they would
consider would be something like a book on unix mailers in general,
like mutt, pine, etc.



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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread Hardy Merrill

Jim Simmons [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 There's a reference in 1.2.2's NEWS file.  It is out of date, but I followed
 it and ended up at:
 
   http://www.guug.de/~roessler/bits.html
 
 which has a link to:
 
   http://www.guug.de/~roessler/pkspxy-0.5.tar.gz
 
 I haven't installed it yet, though.

I checked out Thomas Roessler's page, and found pkspxy-0.5.tar.gz,
but didn't find any documentation on it - maybe there's some in
the tar file, but I'm not going to download it until I'm
convinced that I need it.

I got mine working by just commenting out the last command in
the pgp6.rc(the "set pgp_getkeys_command="pkspxycwrap %r" command).
When you're done composing your message, and you get to the
screen that lists attachments - the one where you press
"y" to send - press "p" on that screen and you'll get a
menu of PGP options.  Choose an option(I chose "b"oth encrypt
and sign), and then choose "y" to send - it next asked me for
the keyid for my email address(?), and if you press Enter there,
you get a list of keys to choose from - choose one, and then
enter the passphrase for that key - and if you type the
correct passphrase, it then encrypts and sends your message.

Another question - if I type in an *incorrect* passphrase,
it won't let me try again - or at least I don't know how
to make it let me try again - so I have to abort the message.  
Is there a way to re-enter a passphrase enterred incorrectly?

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32 + line sig

2000-06-28 Thread fman

Please no more comments on my sig. I changed it dammit 8^)

- juan
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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread David T-G

Hardy --

Thanks for your research into pkspxy and pkspxycwrap.  Very interesting.

...and then Hardy Merrill said...
% 
% Another question - if I type in an *incorrect* passphrase,
% it won't let me try again - or at least I don't know how
% to make it let me try again - so I have to abort the message.  
% Is there a way to re-enter a passphrase enterred incorrectly?

Although it doesn't tell you, pgp is right there waiting for you to enter
the passphrase again, so go ahead.  That ought to work.

If it doesn't, hit ctrl-c to get out of that and then hit ctrl-f to tell
mutt to 'f'orget the passphrase; when you try again, you will get a new
passphrase prompt.


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suggestion #2

2000-06-28 Thread fman

Is there plans to make enable mutt to read the news from a news server?

-juan
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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread fman

 Another question - if I type in an *incorrect* passphrase,
 Is there a way to re-enter a passphrase enterred incorrectly?
 
 
you have to edit so that mutt doesn't remember your passphrase
set pgp_timeout = number of seconds
-juan
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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread Thomas Roessler

On 2000-06-28 11:03:53 -0400, Hardy Merrill wrote:

 Another question - if I type in an *incorrect*
 passphrase, it won't let me try again - or at least I
 don't know how to make it let me try again - so I have
 to abort the message. Is there a way to re-enter a
 passphrase enterred incorrectly?

Ctrl-f will make mutt forget the pass phrase.



Re: suggestion #2

2000-06-28 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

fman proclaimed on mutt-users that:

Is there plans to make enable mutt to read the news from a news server?

-juan

See http://www.mutt.org - there is an NNTP patch.  Read the archives -
this (and other alternatives such as newsfetch) were discussed a few weeks
back.

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Re: suggestion

2000-06-28 Thread fman

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 09:25:10PM -0700, Shawn D. McPeek wrote:
 
 And mention that a 32 line sig on a 3 line message is a bit excessive :)
 
 Shawn
I hadn't realized how big it was, becuase I was reading it through an xterm 
window. Should be ok now



Re: suggestion #2

2000-06-28 Thread Ken W

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000, fman wrote:
 Is there plans to make enable mutt to read the news from a news server?

Yeah, it already can.  Hit 'qtin' or 'qslrn'.  Works great. ;-)


-Ken

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Re: suggestion #2

2000-06-28 Thread David T-G

Juan --

...and then fman said...
% Is there plans to make enable mutt to read the news from a news server?

Plans for official development: no
Plans for unofficial support: yes, discussed a few times in the past.

Take a wander through the mail archives for more info, including at least
one or to pointers to sources and implementations.


% 
% -juan
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Hey, we didn't mean that you couldn't have *any* sig! :-)


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Re: 32 + line sig

2000-06-28 Thread Charles Curley

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:07:35AM -0700, fman muttered:
 Please no more comments on my sig. I changed it dammit 8^)
 
 - juan
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Thank you


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Re: suggestion #2

2000-06-28 Thread David Porter

* fman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Is there plans to make enable mutt to read the news from a news server?

I don't know, but I doubt it. 

See some of the nntp patches though:

http://www.mutt.org/links.html#patch



Solved: Verifying PGP 5.0 Sigs

2000-06-28 Thread Howard Arons

On Jun 27, 2000, Marco Goetze wrote:
 
 I think that what may have caused the question is the lack of an
 explicit, on-demand option to verify signatures, meaning that if
 you've set $pgp_verify_sig to "no" ...there's no feature
 allowing you to do that (unless you devise some macro magic emulating
 it).

That was exactly right, Marco. I changed $pgp_verify_sig to "ask-no,"
and everything of OK now.

Thanks for your help.

Howard Arons
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Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found

2000-06-28 Thread Roland Rosenfeld

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Hardy Merrill wrote:

 I found some hits on "pkspxy" referring to Debian pkspxy:

pkspxy doesn't have to do with Debian except the fact that there is
already a Debian package (see
http://www.spinnaker.de/debian/pkspxy.html and
http://www.spinnaker.de/debian/pkspxyc.html).

 I'm on a Redhat 6.1 Linux system with Mutt 1.2i - and I *didn't*
 find the same package on Redhat's site.

So don't blame us but blame RedHat ;-)

 Where can I find that package, and where can I find some
 documentation on what it does and how to use it?

Either look at the above mentioned pages or have a look at the
author's page: http://www.guug.de/~roessler/bits.html
The original source code is available from both sites.

Tscho

Roland

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Re: Can't compile mutt 1.3.4

2000-06-28 Thread Thomas Roessler

On 2000-06-29 00:13:56 +0200, Dirk Pirschel wrote:

 pirschel@tux:~/tmp/mutt-1.3.4  ./configure
 [...]
 checking for iconv... yes
 checking whether this iconv is good enough... no
 configure: error: Try using libiconv instead

 Any suggestions?

Get libiconv from http://clisp.cons.org/~haible/.




Can't compile mutt 1.3.4

2000-06-28 Thread Dirk Pirschel

Hi *,

pirschel@tux:~/tmp/mutt-1.3.4  ./configure
[...]
checking for iconv... yes
checking whether this iconv is good enough... no
configure: error: Try using libiconv instead

Any suggestions?

-Dirk



Re: Can't compile mutt 1.3.4

2000-06-28 Thread Wari Wahab

For me, after a successful ./configure, it won't 'make' at all

wari@spider:~/src/mutt-1.3.4  make
make: *** No rule to make target `m4/curslib.m4', needed by
`aclocal.m4'.  Stop.

* Dirk Pirschel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000629 06:37]:
 Hi *,
 
 pirschel@tux:~/tmp/mutt-1.3.4  ./configure
 [...]
 checking for iconv... yes
 checking whether this iconv is good enough... no
 configure: error: Try using libiconv instead
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 -Dirk

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Re: [OT] What PGP version is recommended?

2000-06-28 Thread Jeremy Blosser

rex [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:18:42AM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote:
  In particular, I'd be interested whether someone has been
  able to locate a Unix version of PGP 6.5.3, which seems to
  be the most recent version available for the well-known
  graphical OSes.
 
 AFAIK, 6.5.3 is only available for WinX. 6.5.2 for Unix is available
 from: 
 
 http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html
 
 However, MIT won't export from the US (except to Canada). NAI will
 export, but apparently only has the commercial version and a demo:
 http://www.pgp.com/asp_set/products/tns/jump_page_011800.asp

There's a few possibles at:

ftp://ftp.zedz.net/pub/crypto/pgp/pgp60/pgp652/

The MIT one is probably in there considering the nature of the archive.

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Qmail isn't delivering to MAILDIR/new....?

2000-06-28 Thread Jason Helfman

I have this as my .qmail file:
/home/deklown/Maildir/new/

I have this as my .bashrc

MAILDIR="$HOME/Maildir/"
DEFAULT="$MAILDIR/Maildir/"

I have this in .procmailrc   procmail-3.14-1

# Set to yes when debugging
VERBOSE=yes
  
# Remove ## when debugging; set to no if you want minimal logging
LOGABSTRACT=all 
  
# Replace $HOME/Msgs with your message directory
DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/   # Make sure this directory exists!

I am not sure what to do to get my mail delivered to Maildir/new.

It is still going to /var/log/spool/$USER
and it seems that my mail executable is broken...need help, I know this
is more of a qmail question, but I was wondering if anyone could help me
out here..thanks
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Re: Can't compile mutt 1.3.4

2000-06-28 Thread Dirk Pirschel

* Wari Wahab wrote on Thu, 29 Jun 2000:

 For me, after a successful ./configure, it won't 'make' at all
 
 wari@spider:~/src/mutt-1.3.4  make
 make: *** No rule to make target `m4/curslib.m4', needed by
 `aclocal.m4'.  Stop.

I had the same problem.
Try automake; autoconf; ./configure.

-Dirk



Re: Qmail isn't delivering to MAILDIR/new....?

2000-06-28 Thread Frank Derichsweiler

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:31:17PM -0700, Jason Helfman wrote:
 I have this as my .qmail file:
 /home/deklown/Maildir/new/

That is the bug.
You have to say 
 
  /home/deklown/Maildir/

qmail detects that it is a considered to be a maildir format mailbox
because the "/" at the end. Therefore it will deliver into the new
sub-directory. (As stated by the Maildir specs)

HTH
Frank

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Mutt hanging on color

2000-06-28 Thread Wari Wahab

I was playing around with Sven Guckes excellent muttrc's and it seems
to hang on certain messages that I've got, kinda happens to me alot (on
the same messages and all), that I've decided to isolate the problem..

After playing around with .mutt.color.body I commented a line that
relieves me of my misery ;).. It's under a section called 
# SCREAMING TEXT (often used in spam)
color body brightyellow  default" \([-A-Z']{2,}[ ,]*\)+"

Symptoms are,
1. You get a message, long one, scroll down and it freezes up on you and
take 100% of CPU power..

2. You don't even get to view the message at all..

BTW, It could be that the regexp above conflicts on the rest defined
earlier or after... Is this a bug in Sven's muttrc or a bug in muttrc
itself ;)

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regarded as a criminal offense.
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Re: [OT] What PGP version is recommended?

2000-06-28 Thread rex

On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:18:42AM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote:
 
 In particular, I'd be interested whether someone has been
 able to locate a Unix version of PGP 6.5.3, which seems to
 be the most recent version available for the well-known
 graphical OSes.

AFAIK, 6.5.3 is only available for WinX. 6.5.2 for Unix is available
from: 

http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html

However, MIT won't export from the US (except to Canada). NAI will
export, but apparently only has the commercial version and a demo:
http://www.pgp.com/asp_set/products/tns/jump_page_011800.asp

-rex





Re: Mutt hanging on color

2000-06-28 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

Wari Wahab proclaimed on mutt-users that:

# SCREAMING TEXT (often used in spam)
color body brightyellow  default" \([-A-Z']{2,}[ ,]*\)+"

Maybe your terminal doesn't understand a color called brightyellow?  Try
giving a hex equivalent - #aa will do very fine I think.

-suresh

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