Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 27-Feb-02 at 20:46, Knute's inspired musing was thus : On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob McLaren wrote: What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname? Mutt doesn't generate a HELO, it's a MUA not an MTA You are probably running sendmail or something similar locally, and passing on to the SMTP server on your local network What you need to do is to configure your sendmail (or other MTA) on your box to send a faked hostname which is acceptable, or to check with the sysadmin for the mail server with the real hostname/IP on the network and ask if the MTA there can be tweaked for you MUA = Mail User Agent (like Mutt) MTA = Mail Transfer Agent (like Sendmail (ugh!), Postfix, Exim, Qmail) -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS SA |-tel +21237674861 |-fax +21237674863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: mutt paints over background image
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 03:11:21PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 08:37:22AM -0500, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Dominik Vogt wrote: I have been using mutt in an rxvt window with a background xpm for a long time, using the version from the SuSE distribution withouth compilling myself. Since SuSE 7.2 however, rxvt covers the background image with a black character background itself. I guess this has something to do with slang vs. ncurses. The older versions were using ncurses and the new ones are compiles with slang. Is there any way to get back my background image without having to compile mutt myself? it's most likely the choice of $TERM (the terminfo entry should have 'op' using \E[39m;\E[49m, for instance). Ahem, could you explain that again for complete idiots? I don't have the terminfo sources installed, so I can't check the settings in the rxvt terminfo file (unless someone tells me how to do it). the color terminfo for rxvt should look like this (I used infocmp to dump it, could use tic on the same text to install it): # Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /usr/lib/terminfo/r/rxvt rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System), am, bce, eo, km, mir, msgr, xenl, xon, ... Ah yes, I see. I must have misread the infocmp man page. But the op entry looks exactly like you said. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LifeBits Aktiengesellschaft, Albrechtstr. 9, D-72072 Tuebingen fon: ++49 (0) 7071/7965-0, fax: ++49 (0) 7071/7965-20
Re: mutt paints over background image
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Dominik Vogt wrote: # Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /usr/lib/terminfo/r/rxvt rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System), am, bce, eo, km, mir, msgr, xenl, xon, ... Ah yes, I see. I must have misread the infocmp man page. But the op entry looks exactly like you said. then the problem is likely on the other end - something didn't work in mutt's configure script, so it doesn't see the functions that control color (use_default_colors, for instance). -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: mutt paints over background image
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 07:25:51AM -0500, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Dominik Vogt wrote: # Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /usr/lib/terminfo/r/rxvt rxvt|rxvt terminal emulator (X Window System), am, bce, eo, km, mir, msgr, xenl, xon, ... Ah yes, I see. I must have misread the infocmp man page. But the op entry looks exactly like you said. then the problem is likely on the other end - something didn't work in mutt's configure script, so it doesn't see the functions that control color (use_default_colors, for instance). Can I do somthing to check that out? Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LifeBits Aktiengesellschaft, Albrechtstr. 9, D-72072 Tuebingen fon: ++49 (0) 7071/7965-0, fax: ++49 (0) 7071/7965-20
regexp problem with parentheses
Hi all, trying to color entries in the index matching on the from field, I use the following: color index blue black '~f (Person1|Person2)' However, I get a 'parentheses not matched error' Also, the example in the doco: ~f (Jim +Somebody|Ed +SomeoneElse) doesn't work (same error) TIA, Scott ps pls cc my direct email as I am not subscribed to this list
Re: regexp problem with parentheses
Scott wrote: trying to color entries in the index matching on the from field, I use the following: color index blue black '~f (Person1|Person2)' However, I get a 'parentheses not matched error' Try: color index blue black '~f (Person1|Person2)' ^ ^ Adios muchacho, -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ Wer Glück im Spiel hat, hat auch Geld für die Liebe.
Re: regexp problem with parentheses
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:33:35PM +0100, Volker Moell wrote: Scott wrote: trying to color entries in the index matching on the from field, I use the following: color index blue black '~f (Person1|Person2)' However, I get a 'parentheses not matched error' Try: color index blue black '~f (Person1|Person2)' After much struggle understanding mutt's quoting rules I finally came up with that kind of stuff, which works: folder-hook =[a-z] score ~s'([ot]\\|newbie\\|off-topic\\|your\\\ mail\\|(unidentified\\|no)\\\ suject)' -10 Notice: - quadruple backslash to escape a [, - triple backslash to escape a space, - double backslash for a an alternation pipe (non-escaped), -- ARICIE: Mais n'étant point liés par un lien si doux, Me puis avec honneur dérober avec vous ? (Phèdre, J-B Racine, acte 5, scène 1)
Scoring known addresses
Hi, all! Is there a posibillity to score all known mail addresses (ie all addresses defined in aliases) in one single score statement? I only found then ~l for all messages addressed to a known mailing list: score ~l +100 Greetings, -volker -- http://die-Moellsde/ * http://Stama90de/ * http://ScriptDalede/ Qnf vfg qre Orjrvf, qnff Fvtf arhtvrevt znpura
Re: Pity that mutt doesn't read news - what's the best match?
Charles Jie wrote: I wonder very much - how could you operate mutt+vim and emacs-style slrn in daily life without difficulty? Isn't it like switching driving between left-side and right-side? Or it's more like switching languages for you bilinguals? :-) switch the key bindings around in slrn so they're more to your liking? i switched a few keys around; personally i didn't find slrn very hard to use after using mutt; the two are fairly similar, although some of the keybindings are different -- Will Yardley william newdream net
Re: Pity that mutt doesn't read news - what's the best match?
* Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-02-28 10:37 -0500: Charles Jie wrote: I wonder very much - how could you operate mutt+vim and emacs-style slrn in daily life without difficulty? Isn't it like switching driving between left-side and right-side? Or it's more like switching languages for you bilinguals? :-) switch the key bindings around in slrn so they're more to your liking? i switched a few keys around; personally i didn't find slrn very hard to use after using mutt; the two are fairly similar, although some of the keybindings are different. Are there key bindings for slrn around that make it use the same keys as mutt? -Andre msg24852/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pity that mutt doesn't read news - what's the best match?
Andre Berger wrote: Are there key bindings for slrn around that make it use the same keys as mutt? i asked this very question on the mutt newsgroup, and didn't get any responses however i think it would be great if someone came up with this and posted their slrnrc for us anyone anyone?? -- Will Yardley william newdream net
Problem when using IMAP: Could not copy message
Hi, when I start mutt and change to an IMAP folder, mutt sometimes shows the right date and flags for each mail in the folder, but no sender or subject. When trying to read a mail, I only get the error-message Could not copy message (after Fetching message). This problem doesn't occur always, and I can't reproduce it. I'm using 1.3.27i on that box (see below). I don't have any problems reading mail from another computer (mutt 1.2.5i on OSF1 V4.0). What exactly does this error mean, and what could be the reason? Cheers, Hendrik hoeth@wppc91:~ $ mutt -v Mutt 1.3.27i (2002-01-22) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.17 (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] Compile options: -DOMAIN -DEBUG -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID -USE_DOTLOCK -DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS +USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS +LOCALES_HACK -HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET ++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO -ISPELL SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/mail PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. hoeth@wppc91:~ $ -- Hendrik Hoeth Groenhoffstr. 14 42285 Wuppertal
Re: Pity that mutt doesn't read news - what's the best match?
Quoting Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Feb 28, 2002 10:48]: Andre Berger wrote: Are there key bindings for slrn around that make it use the same keys as mutt? i asked this very question on the mutt newsgroup, and didn't get any responses. however i think it would be great if someone came up with this and posted their .slrnrc for us. anyone anyone?? It would be great to have this in contrib/ as well. I'd do it, but I don't use slrn. (darren) -- Beware all enterprises that require new clothes. -- Henry David Thoreau
Re: How to avoid and handle looong lines
* Thus spake Will Yardley [26-02-02^04:46]: Hallo, tell him to wrap his lines in his editor how to do this will vary depending on the editor he's using if he's using vi (probably nvi in debian), setting wm=8 should work using vim, set tw=74 emacs i'm not sure, but i doubt it's that hard wk@localhost:~$ less emacs (setq-default-major-mode 'message-mode) (setq-default fill-column 72) (add hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill) [] alternativ mode: mail-mode Meta-q -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power -Woodrow Wilson
set Folder
Hi, I'm using the set folder command and I use the default value But when I don't open it in the default folder there's a problem I notice it when I change mailboxes If I change from my home directory and try to use tab completion it won't complete the folder name But when I try and manually choose it, mutt is in the correct folder Has anyone else had problems with this or could give me any advice? Thanks, Todd __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetingsyahoocom
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
Wait a minute, If that's the case, can't I configure Mutt to connect to my public SMTP server to send mail rather than trying to send it from it's own local sendmail program? I don't see any configuration directive in the muttrc to specify an SMTP server to connect to Simon White wrote: On 27-Feb-02 at 20:46, Knute's inspired musing was thus : On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob McLaren wrote: What can I do to force the HELO generated by mutt to use my outside SMTP hostname? Mutt doesn't generate a HELO, it's a MUA not an MTA You are probably running sendmail or something similar locally, and passing on to the SMTP server on your local network What you need to do is to configure your sendmail (or other MTA) on your box to send a faked hostname which is acceptable, or to check with the sysadmin for the mail server with the real hostname/IP on the network and ask if the MTA there can be tweaked for you MUA = Mail User Agent (like Mutt) MTA = Mail Transfer Agent (like Sendmail (ugh!), Postfix, Exim, Qmail) -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS SA |-tel +21237674861 |-fax +21237674863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 28-Feb-02 at 09:54, Bob McLaren's inspired musing was thus : Wait a minute, If that's the case, can't I configure Mutt to connect to my public SMTP server to send mail rather than trying to send it from it's own local sendmail program? No, what I was trying to say (perhaps I wasn't clear) is that you cannot get mutt to send mail to your public SMTP server, you have to run an SMTP server on your machine in order to get mutt to send mail There are several suggestions depending on your setup, see the mutt web pages and the manual, usually in /usr/local/doc/mutt/manualtxt I don't see any configuration directive in the muttrc to specify an SMTP server to connect to There isn't one -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS SA |-tel +21237674861 |-fax +21237674863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Hooks order of precedence
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:06:39AM -0500, Rob Reid wrote: Maybe it could be made folder specific by tying the send-hook to an alias, or even user+folder@domain, that is only used when emailing user from folder. You can have a folder-hook set a send-hook, like this: folder-hook .unhook send-hook folder-hook folder1 send-hook . 'my_hdr From: One Me who@where' folder-hook folder2 send-hook . 'my_hdr From: Another Me why@me' folder-hook . 'send-hook ~t somebody unmy_hdr From:' Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Is mutt really handicapped?
Hello All: Now that I have your attention - I and friends publish a webzine: http://wwwfrozen-north-linuxonlinecom/ And we publish monthly We also have a local linux user's group and a mailing list A comment was made to the mailing list that mutt was handicapped As you may well imagine, that comment was not received well Is there anyone on this list that would like to contribute some comments about the advantages of switching from something like netscape mail to mutt? If you do so, use your own judgement as to whether you want to send your comments to this list or directly to me Let me know if you wish to be quoted or if I should paraphrase your comments Feel free to be colorful I'm putting together a march column in which I'm going to talk about my useage of vim, mutt, fetchmail, procmail, lynx, slrn, ncftp, and MC as my suite of tools, and I would like to user your comments in that column BTW: Sven is a contributing columnist and we are always looking for contributing columnists In the current issue, I write about mailing lists and mention mutt there Best regards Tim
Re: regexp problem with parentheses
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Louis-David Mitterrand thusly... After much struggle understanding mutt's quoting rules I finally came up with that kind of stuff, which works: folder-hook =[a-z] score ~s'([ot]\\|newbie\\|off-topic\\|your\\\ mail\\|(unidentified\\|no)\\\ suject)' -10 Notice: - quadruple backslash to escape a [, - triple backslash to escape a space, - double backslash for a an alternation pipe (non-escaped), ...or, if you use double- and single quotes carefully, you could just use this (untested)... folder-hook =[a-z] score '~s \([ot]|newbie|off-topic|your mail|unidentified|no subject)\' -10 ...i haven't used scoring, but i have something similar as far as quoting is concerned... # delete messages, mostly replies, if 'X-FreeBSD-CVS-Branch:' header # is missing # # beginning of X-FreeBSD... header is escaped so that mutt does not # create Ctrl-X character out of plain text ^X character combination # folder-hook IN\.f-cvs push 'delete-pattern!~h \^\\X-FreeBSD-CVS-Branch:\enter'
Re: Is mutt really handicapped? - ha!
* Tim Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020228 19:55]: Is there anyone on this list that would like to contribute some comments about the advantages of switching from something like netscape mail to mutt? echo you cannot do this with netscape | mutt netscape-weenie nuff said. I have guided some Linux people to switch from Netscape to mutt. So far they are not sorry at all. But it does take a few things to make them switch because you have to explain about some concepts. If you want a full report, well, give a week to write it up. I'm putting together a march column in which I'm going to talk about my useage of vim, mutt, fetchmail, procmail, lynx, slrn, ncftp, and MC as my suite of tools, and I would like to user your comments in that column. hmm... see sig. In the current issue, I write about mailing lists and mention mutt there. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/maillist.html ;-) Sven [who will present mutt in a demo on the next Linux event] -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.guckes.net or go.to/guckes PROGRAMSWeb pages about these programs: agrep, awk, ed, elm, ftp, PROGRAMSirc, ispell, less, links, lynx, mutt, ncftp, nn, pico, pine, PROGRAMSprocmail, rxvt, screen, sed, slrn, vi, vim, w3m, xterm, zsh.
Re: Is mutt really handicapped? - ha!
* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: echo you cannot do this with netscape | mutt netscape-weenie nuff said. But I can't view all my HTML pr0n spam without an external program, mutt sucks111 I have guided some Linux people to switch from Netscape to mutt. So far they are not sorry at all. But it does take a few things to make them switch because you have to explain about some concepts. If you want a full report, well, give a week to write it up. Mutt's learning curve is a bit steep for some, especially after you cross the threshold and have to unlearn half of it while you redefine it from .muttrc :) I doubt I'd last long with mutt with the default keys.. makes quick backup of ~/.src In the current issue, I write about mailing lists and mention mutt there. http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/maillist.html ;-) Hmm, I should do a nice long rant on why laying out stuff using tables, font tags, all the stupid style attributes and not including doctype declorations is concidered harmful ;) Sven [who will present mutt in a demo on the next Linux event] Don't forget to leave the machine mutt is running on half way around the world ;) -- [..] PROGRAMSirc, ispell, less, links, lynx, mutt, ncftp, nn, pico, pine, I've completely replaced my use of ncftp with lftp. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS
Re: Is mutt really handicapped? - ha! ha!
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020228 14:30]: snip... I have guided some Linux people to switch from Netscape to mutt. So far they are not sorry at all. But it does take a few things to make them switch because you have to explain about some concepts. If you want a full report, well, give a week to write it up. Go for it Sven. Like to see it. tj
Re: Hooks order of precedence
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:28:49AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:06:39AM -0500, Rob Reid wrote: Maybe it could be made folder specific by tying the send-hook to an alias, or even user+folder@domain, that is only used when emailing user from folder You can have a folder-hook set a send-hook, like this: folder-hook unhook send-hook folder-hook folder1 send-hook 'my_hdr From: One Me who@where' folder-hook folder2 send-hook 'my_hdr From: Another Me why@me' folder-hook'send-hook ~t somebody unmy_hdr From:' Still, if I'm in a folder I send to somebody, the send-hook has taken control *until* I re-enter the folder then it's reset Or am I reading the above wrong? What I'm trying to do is this: If I'm in a folder, set my from address for the folder, *unless* I'm emailing to user@domain, then, use a different address Now, after using the send hook, I don't want it to persist I'd like it to reset as it were I can do this with folder hooks -- use address A if in folder A, but, address B in folder B, or address C by default but it's the *unless* exception I can't seem to set (For instance, folder hooks are read again when I enter another folder I can then use a defaultsglobal to unset headers before setting them based on folder If I do the same for send-hooks, while also using folder-hooks, I cannot use folder-hooks at all the send-hooks will always get used OTOH, if I use a send-hook in a folder, the folder-hook is not re-asserted on the next send as: folder hooks are evaluated only on folder entry, whereas send-hooks are evaluated on each send) Does that make any more sense? What would be nice is something equivalent to Pine's roles, then I could decide what address to send from when I hit 'm', but, automation based on address would be superior in my case, if it were possible Or--what if I had a default send-hook that somehow forced the re-evaluation of folder-hooks? Erik -- ironically, perhaps, the best organised dissenters in the world today are anarchists, who are busily undermining capitalism while the rest of the left is still trying to form committees Jeremy Hardy, The Guardian
Re: Is mutt really handicapped? - ha!
On 28/02/02 Thomas Hurst did speaketh: I doubt I'd last long with mutt with the default keys makes quick backup of ~/src I'd be interested in seeing the changes you made I like the default keys, but then, I like Vi :) Mike msg24868/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hooks order of precedence
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Erik Rothwell wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:28:49AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:06:39AM -0500, Rob Reid wrote: Maybe it could be made folder specific by tying the send-hook to an alias, or even user+folder@domain, that is only used when emailing user from folder. You can have a folder-hook set a send-hook, like this: folder-hook .unhook send-hook folder-hook folder1 send-hook . 'my_hdr From: One Me who@where' folder-hook folder2 send-hook . 'my_hdr From: Another Me why@me' folder-hook . 'send-hook ~t somebody unmy_hdr From:' Still, if I'm in a folder I send to somebody, the send-hook has taken control *until* I re-enter the folder... then it's reset. Or am I reading the above wrong? What I'm trying to do is this: If I'm in a folder, set my from address for the folder, *unless* I'm emailing to user@domain, then, use a different address. Ok, if I follow you up to this point, you need to use a send-hook that makes sure that it doesn't match something. send-hook !~t user@domain my_hdr From: address C then another send-hook send-hook ~t user@domain my_hdr From: address whatever You could embed these send-hooks into a folder-hooks for the appropriate folder, and then it should set up dynamically as you have covered the cases that you mention later in your email. Now, after using the send hook, I don't want it to persist. I'd like it to reset as it were. I haven't tested my above examples, but they should work. I can do this with folder hooks -- use address A if in folder A, but, address B in folder B, or address C by default... but it's the *unless* exception I can't seem to set. (For instance, folder hooks are read again when I enter another folder... I can then use a defaults.global to unset headers before setting them based on folder. If I do the same for send-hooks, while also using folder-hooks, I cannot use folder-hooks at all... the send-hooks will always get used. OTOH, if I use a send-hook in a folder, the folder-hook is not re-asserted on the next send... as: folder hooks are evaluated only on folder entry, whereas send-hooks are evaluated on each send.) Does that make any more sense? So embedding the changes to the send-hooks inside folder-hooks may be what you are looking for then. What would be nice is something equivalent to Pine's roles, then I could decide what address to send from when I hit 'm', but, automation based on address would be superior in my case, if it were possible. Sorry, don't know enough about pine for that to help me as a reference any. :( HTH -- Knute msg24869/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 11:05:16AM -0900, Tim Johnson wrote: Is there anyone on this list that would like to contribute some comments about the advantages of switching from something like netscape mail to mutt? the biggest advantage for me is speed i can fly through my email w/ mutt, whereas most GUI clients force you to putz around with scroll bars and double clicking, etc etc the producitivity increase is so significant that i can't imagine using any other client the other advantage for me has been the fact that i can now centralize my email mutt and my mailboxes are on my computer at work, to which i can SSH whenever i want to check, read, or futz with my mail oh, and turning those obnoxious HTML emails into text? i love it :) Ryan
