Re: pgp_create_traditional or not?
On Thursday, August 8, 2002 at 7:06:20 AM -0400, David Thorburn-Gundlach wrote: % This char was an û (u circumflex) in both my and Jussi's mail, I see that properly in both the mutt pager and this vim reply. And it's still correct here in the quotation. But what were you seeying in pager in Jussi's mail? Lets count... 4 up in thread from this one (4 times parent-message I mean), on the line: | [-- PGP output follows -- sam 03 aoû 2002 23:08:52 CEST --] ^ You saw û or û? I wonder why my paste didn't work (or maybe it was just the paste)... Your paste? What do you mean? % Your quote shows 2 chars: û (A tilde and I don't have a ~ (or A ~ if that's what you mean) Yes: uppercase A with tilde. but instead an A there. I wonder what's up. As it's still an A tilde once quoted by you, it's most probably the glyph in your font that lacks the tilde over A. It's the case with Linux text mode console too, before you use setfont to load another font in video card: the default VGA hardware font has no A tilde, so the kernel transliterates it to a simple A at display. I'm too short on time to chase it down now :-) I'll be glad to help (if I can) when you want, a mailing list is an asynchronous media. % Hint: What do you see here, it's in Latin-9 == _ Just an underscore, in both mutt and vim. And it's an underscore you quote! What's up here, I don't know. This doesn't fit even loosely in any case I've seen... What did you see in raw message piped to less? And what here == ¤ (same code in Latin-1, should be monetary sign) And here == (invalid char in Latin-1, should be octal) Bye!Alain. -- Give your computer's unused idle processor cycles to a scientific goal: The Genome@home project at URL:http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/.
Updating folders on a server, both remotely and off-line?
For several years now I've been trying to get a mail setup which will work well for me both at home and on the road. At home, we have a central server which handles email, and several workstations. Since I may access email from any one of the workstations, I'd like my inbox and all of my folders to remain on the central server, rather than having messages scattered about in local mailboxes on different workstations. I used to accomplish this by mounting the server's drives via NFS, but with recent releases of NFS I've started to lose mail, in particular if mail comes in while I'm reading my inbox in mutt and I've made changes to the inbox, those new messages are lost. A bit of research tells me that this is due to new locking behaviour in NFS. Is there a way around this so that mutt won't lose messages? If not, is there some other way of accomplishing what I want? When on the road, I often don't have a full-time connection, so I would like to be able to connect, download new mail, disconnect, read, delete and respond to mail offline, including filing messages into folders. Then, the next time I connect, have all of those changes applied to my mbox and mail folders on the central server. Anyone have an idea on how to do that? Thanx. === - deane Gooroos Software: Plugging you into Maya Visit http://www.gooroos.com for more information
Re: Updating folders on a server, both remotely and off-line?
On Fri 09-Aug-2002 at 12:29:03AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with recent releases of NFS I've started to lose mail, in particular if mail comes in while I'm reading my inbox in mutt and I've made changes to the inbox, those new messages are lost. In my experience, Maildir is much more reliable than mbox for reading mail over nfs. When on the road, I often don't have a full-time connection, so I would like to be able to connect, download new mail, disconnect, read, delete and respond to mail offline, including filing messages into folders. Then, the next time I connect, have all of those changes applied to my mbox and mail folders on the central server. If you are using Maildir (which uses 1 file per message), you can use rsync to synchronise the two filesystems. One of the guys in our office does this every day before he leaves, it takes about 30 seconds. Consider putting your mail on an imap server (courier-imap and cyrus are good) and using that for remote access. You can then use a tool like isync (there are others) to synchronise your laptop mailfolders with your imap mailfolders. -- Bruno
Re: Updating folders on a server, both remotely and off-line?
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:29:03AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit of research tells me that this is due to new locking behaviour in NFS. Is there a way around this so that mutt won't lose messages? If not, is there some other way of accomplishing what I want? The use of Maildir instead of the mbox file format will prevent these locking problems. When on the road, I often don't have a full-time connection, so I would like to be able to connect, download new mail, disconnect, read, delete and respond to mail offline, including filing messages into folders. Then, the next time I connect, have all of those changes applied to my mbox and mail folders on the central server. One way to to this is to use the coda file system www.coda.cs.cmu.edu which is a replacement for nfs and allows disconnected operations on your folders. Ulrich -- http://www.der-keiler.de PGP Fingerprint: 5FA4 4C01 8D92 A906 E831 CAF1 3F51 8F47 1233 9AAD Public key available at http://www.der-keiler.de/uk/pgp-key.asc msg30176/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Updating folders on a server, both remotely and off-line?
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-09 09:07]: .. Since I may access email from any one of the workstations, I'd like my inbox and all of my folders to remain on the central server, rather than having messages scattered about in local mailboxes on different workstations. emails remaining on the server - that's what IMAP is for. so you'll need an IMAP server - and mutt will be your IMAP client. I used to accomplish this by mounting the server's drives via NFS, but with recent releases of NFS I've started to lose mail, in particular if mail comes in while I'm reading my inbox in mutt and I've made changes to the inbox, those new messages are lost. A bit of research tells me that this is due to new locking behaviour in NFS. Is there a way around this so that mutt won't lose messages? If not, is there some other way of accomplishing what I want? you can change the locking method - maybe this will help. or you change to maildir format which does not need locking. When on the road, I often don't have a full-time connection, so I would like to be able to connect, download new mail, disconnect, read, delete and respond to mail offline.. this contradicts your first statement of leaving your mails on the server. if you want to download your emails then use POP. ..including filing messages into folders. this is not mutt's job. use a mail filter instead. you can also use fetchmail as your POP client which can (I think) sort mails into folders as well. Then, the next time I connect, have all of those changes applied to my mbox and mail folders on the central server. IMAP again. Sven [not using IMAP at all; mails stay on server and are being dealt with while online over an ssh connection]
Re: adding ALL addresses to alias file
Aaron Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to have mutt add addresses other than the senter (i.e., cc: and to: addresses) to the alias file? Use mail2muttalias; I bind it to A in the pager. I got it from someone else and cleaned it up; it presents you with a list of found email addresses from the message and prompts you for the necessary info to add to your aliases file. http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/mail2muttalias/ Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: pgp_create_traditional or not?
On Tuesday, August 6, 2002 at 2:43:32 PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote: :s/ä/ä/g perhaps? I don't know how to get that UTF-8 'ä' character out of my keyboard. ALT 0195 and ALT 0164 perhaps, or just copy and paste them, or... Depends on keyboard, country, system, app, keymap. Here it's simple, I have a dead tilde key ~, so I type ~A and get Ã, and the monetary sign ¤ has it's own key (together with $ and £). On Finnish keyboard you seem to have a tilde key, possibly dead, just at left of return, but no monetary sign. I don't have a fi keyboard, say that only by looking at /usr/share/keytables/fi-latin1.map keymap. But fi-latin1.map and fi.map disagree about tilde deadness. Bye!Alain. -- Microsoft Outlook Express users concerned about readability: For much better viewing quotes in your messages, check the little freeware program OE-QuoteFix by Dominik Jain on URL:http://flash.to/oblivion/. It'll change your life. :-) Now exists also for Outlook.
Re: Updating folders on a server, both remotely andoff-line?
At 2:26 PM +0200 2002/08/09, Ulrich Keil wrote: One way to to this is to use the coda file system www.coda.cs.cmu.edu which is a replacement for nfs and allows disconnected operations on your folders. Sorry. I've had really bad experiences with AFS and similar alternatives to NFS. NFS is pretty much ubiquitous, and supported on almost all OSes I know of. I don't think that you can say the same for Coda. Moreover, you have to change both the client and the server to support it, and you don't have any commercial-grade rock-solid implementations, as you do with NFS servers from Network Appliance, Auspex, EMC, etc I'm sure that Coda is fine in academic environments, where you get paid almost nothing and therefore since your time is virtually free there are effectively no administration overhead costs, and where no one really cares if an entire system is toast and all those students lost all their work, because they don't get paid anything at all and therefore their time has absolutely no cost at all. It's probably also okay in commercial shoe-string budget situations, where you can afford to spend lots of extra time babysitting it, because you have no alternative. However, I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone use it. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)
Re: Updating folders on a server, both remotely andoff-line?
At 11:50 AM +0100 2002/08/09, Bruno Postle wrote: Consider putting your mail on an imap server (courier-imap and cyrus are good) and using that for remote access. You can then use a tool like isync (there are others) to synchronise your laptop mailfolders with your imap mailfolders. Cyrus has its own one-file-per-message mailbox format, which uses file locking (and therefore makes it unsuitable for use on NFS). The folks at MessagingDirect took that code and pulled the file locking into an NFS-friendly database, so that you avoid all the extra synchronous meta-data operations that are performed with Maildir, and also avoid trying to use file locking on NFS. Unfortunately, they don't sell this product directly -- instead, you have to buy it from one of their OEM partners. It turns out that Sendmail is one of the best known OEM partners, and they include the Messaging Direct technology in their Sendmail Advanced Message Server. However, if you are unable or unwilling to use a commercial message-store, then your the only IMAP server I know of that supports Maildir is Courier-IMAP. IMO, I prefer UW-IMAP for simplicity and backwards compatibility or Cyrus for maximum performance, but if you're doing IMAP using Maildir on NFS (and you can't/won't use commercial products), then Courier-IMAP is really your only choice. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)
Re: adding ALL addresses to alias file
* Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-09 14:13]: http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/mail2muttalias/ host www.qcc.ca Nameserver not responding www.qcc.ca A record not found, try again hmm.. Sven
Re: adding ALL addresses to alias file
Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-09 14:13]: http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/mail2muttalias/ host www.qcc.ca Nameserver not responding www.qcc.ca A record not found, try again hmm.. It was working fine yesterday. I've larted the admin, who will now attempt to determine how he broke it yesterday. With luck, it'll be reachable by name shortly; in the meantime, you can reach it at http://198.169.27.3/~charlesc/software/mail2muttalias/ Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: mv /var/mail/hans mbox safely, visual bell
* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020804 10:43]:
* Hans Ginzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-04 14:43]:
how can I move in a script mail from the
spoolfile to mbox safely (with locking)?
script as in does not use mutt at all? dunno.
Well, he didn't specify without using mutt.
Something like (untested):
#!/bin/sh
mutt -e tag-pattern.entertag-prefixsaveenterquit
good times,
Vineet
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http://www.doorstop.net/
--
#includestdio.h
int main() {
puts(Reader! Think not that \n
technical information \n
ought not be called speech;);
return 0;
}
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