Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
* Stefan Wimmer swim...@xs4all.nl [160209, 02:20]: * Ennio-Sr nasr.la...@tin.it [2009-02-16 01:32]: [Using mutt 1.5.18-6 under GNU/Linux Lenny, from console] Hi all, I found many old posts explaining how to choose a different From header from a list of From hdrs while composing a message, but was unable to use them. [...] The easiest thing for me seems to be 'set edit_headers' which gives youthe possibility to change 'From:' manually within vim ... Another possibility of course would be using hooks to define different from-headers depending on the folder/recipient you're sending the mail from/to ... Thank you, Stefan, for your suggestions: I already use hooks and was just curious about the possibility to choose on the fly the From hdr the way one can do it with a mailer under X (e.g. gmail.com). Then, again, I found strange that what was possible to do with mutt six years ago is not achievable today...hence my doubts about incompatibility with vim... -- [Why use Win$ozz (I say) if ... even a fool can do that. \\?// Do something you aren't good at! (as Henry Miller used to say)] (°|°) Regards, Ennio. -- Please replace '.' for '_dot_' in my Reply-To. )=(
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:50:16AM +0100, Ennio-Sr wrote: I already use hooks Ok. was just curious about the possibility to choose on the fly the From hdr the way one can do it with a mailer under X (e.g. gmail.com). Not sure to understand what you're looking for exactly. Could you explain, please ? What's that mysterious feature « choose on the fly the From: field ? » -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: newbie install
Brandon Are you wanting to do filtering beyond what you are doing with Gmail's filtering? Or are you trying to subvert the web interface altogether? This matters to answering your question. Sorry i think i might have slightly misled your thinking and should clarify. a] I want to use mutt on IMAP to bypass the web interface to reply and sort through email more quickly than i do. e.g. google's web interface is v.good compared with others but still slow only listing 100 messages per screen. b] Save important emails to my hard drive which i gathered one can do with mutt - using maildir saving as text files as opposed to mbox. To select emails and then save manually to certain directories would be ideal (although can probably be done via filter). [Using Thunderbird i used a plugin called ImportExportTools which could save emails to a folder in html format with an index. That was fine but i'd prefer to use something simpler and like the text style of mutt]. c] POP does work fine and i've used it but takes along time to download all email which one then deletes a large chunk of. I did set Thunderbird up with filters and it was fine. Downloading 50 messages takes time with POP compared with IMAP downloading just headers and then retrieving the message body for say 10 messages you want to reply to. I don't know how much of one's broadband byte allocation would be used up with 1500 messages/week but a chunk whereas with IMAP much less as it's only the headers and the message of those one chooses to read. d] I want to use an editor (vim) to edit emails and mutt offers this which other email clients don't. Thanks james
Re: newbie install
Kyle You mean procmail, not postfix, right? Procmail *APPEARS* easier, but has some massive problems with error handling (see No assuming Ubuntu Linux by Von Hagan is correct. examples [if i've learnt anything!] MTA [mail transfer agent] - sendmail, postfix, qmail, exim, mstmp MDA [mail delivery agent] - procmail, maildrop, qpopper, courier IMAP, cyrus MUA [mail user agent] - evolution, mutt, kmail, pine, thunderbird (most include an MTA and MDA) james
Re: newbie install
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 06:21:47PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: pedantic FWIW, the statement is correct as stated. A statement which is phrased as an absolute which is not always true is false (i.e. not true). /pedantic Derek has accumulated enough clarity points to win his pedant pendant for the year 2009! Congratulations Derek! ;-) Derek Hey - are you going to BLU on the 18-th? I wonder if they will anything new on Linux TCO. I need another club to swing in the myriad Win vs Lin engagements Jeff Kinz. -- Funniest signatures series: (found posted to a public email list) IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email.
binding control-up, control-down
Hi, (sorry if double-posted, but my original post did not show up for 5 hours) I'm trying to bind control-up and control-down. Neither ctrlup nor \cup nor \111 does the trick. Any ideas? Thanks, Sven
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
Quoting Nicolas Sebrecht (nicolas.s-...@laposte.net): curious about the possibility to choose on the fly the From hdr the way one can do it with a mailer under X (e.g. gmail.com). Not sure to understand what you're looking for exactly. Could you explain, please ? What's that mysterious feature « choose on the fly the From: field ? » Most GUI MUA's allow you to choose a sender address from a predefined set of 'identities' while composing messages. That's what i gather he means with 'choose on the fly the From: field'. Mutt doesn't offer such functionality other than the already proposed 'edit_headers' and/or folder_hooks. I use folder_hooks _AND_ edit_headers. This works like a charm with vim as the editor. -Sndr. -- | Why does a kamikazepilot wear a helmet? | 1024D/08CEC94D - 34B3 3314 B146 E13C 70C8 9BDB D463 7E41 08CE C94D
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
* Nicolas Sebrecht nicolas.s-...@laposte.net [160209, 12:23]: Not sure to understand what you're looking for exactly. Could you explain, please ? What's that mysterious feature « choose on the fly the From: field ? » On posts going back to 2003 I red it was possible to switch identity while composing a message. What I understood from those posts was that you had to put the following lines in .muttrc: macro compose z edit-from^UIdentity_tab Select from alias Identity_1 1st_addr...@tin.it alias Identity_2 2nd_addr...@tin.it . .. alias Identity_n nth_addre...@tin.it then, pressing 'z' while editing a new mail, you would be able to change your 'From:' header choosing from the list of identities. However, I did try it with no success ;-( Hope this clarifies my subject -- [Why use Win$ozz (I say) if ... even a fool can do that. \\?// Do something you aren't good at! (as Henry Miller used to say)] (°|°) Regards, Ennio. -- Please replace '.' for '_dot_' in my Reply-To. )=(
Re: newbie install
On 2009-02-15_13:13:09, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 06:41:46PM +, James Freer wrote: ...snip... Exim is part of the default install because in the olden days all of your email was delivered to the 'mail spool' (usually /var/mail/$USERNAME or /var/spool/mail/$USERNAME) and you read it from there, possibly copying it to a local home directory (like ~/Mail/inbox or something similar). Lots of command-line and backend programs relied on this functionality, and sent things like error messages to your mail spool. Many still do. For example, if you define a process to run in a schedule on cron, any output (either to STDOUT or STDERR) will be packaged into an email an sent to your mailspool (the assumption being that any output that isn't going to a log file is an error that you'll want to know about). Even today an MTA is needed for hosts that have special uses. Firewalls, etc. On these machines there are a bunch of daemon processes, which can get into trouble, and need to be able to call for help. On Debian, and likely othe distributions, this is done by sending local email to root. The sysadmin is supposed to look at this spool periodically. Without an automatic install of a MTA, this idea would be already broken out of the box. Debian has choosen Exim/Exim4 for this function in the base system. If you install some other MTA or intend to rely on your MUA for MTA services, you may not be able to remove the MTA that the distribution provided, unless you make sure that your substitute is actually handling this 'hidden' email traffic. There are daemons on your computer that may, some day, need to talk to you. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
Hi, * Ennio-Sr wrote: On posts going back to 2003 I red it was possible to switch identity while composing a message. What I understood from those posts was that you had to put the following lines in .muttrc: macro compose z edit-from^UIdentity_tab Select from alias Identity_1 1st_addr...@tin.it alias Identity_2 2nd_addr...@tin.it . .. alias Identity_n nth_addre...@tin.it then, pressing 'z' while editing a new mail, you would be able to change your 'From:' header choosing from the list of identities. However, I did try it with no success ;-( Yes, this works like a charm. What _exactly_ happens in your case? A guess: you put ^ and U in there instead of a Control-U character? If you try to edit the from line, mutt fills it with the content already there. Control-U or kill-line editor function clears that line. Thus, the above is equivalent to: macro compose z edit-fromkill-lineIdentity_tab Select from If that still doesn't work for you, please provide an error message or whatever mutt gives you. Rocco
binding control-up, control-down
Hi, I'm trying to bind control-up and control-down. Neither ctrlup nor \cup nor \111 does the trick. Any ideas? Thanks, Sven
Re: binding control-up, control-down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, February 16 at 02:31 PM, quoth Sven Hergenhahn: I'm trying to bind control-up and control-down. Good luck - many terminals don't actually understand those as any different than normal up and down. But, the way to find out if mutt can see those characters is to use the what-key function (sometimes bound to ctrl-G in mutt, or you can use :exec what-key). That will also show you what to put in your muttrc. That's going to be fairly machine- and terminal-specific, though. ~Kyle - -- The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. -- Robert Jackson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkmZlaYACgkQBkIOoMqOI14plwCg+YRZQwtcczk+wylj2EoMGodU ipoAoMNTMLQ+0EH+G8zcFsz5ycu8JtWw =n/Qn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: newbie install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, February 16 at 12:09 PM, quoth James Freer: Kyle You mean procmail, not postfix, right? Procmail *APPEARS* easier, but has some massive problems with error handling (see No assuming Ubuntu Linux by Von Hagan is correct. You said I need to use postfix OR maildrop. (emphasis mine). That suggests you believed them to be analogs. Even in your list here, postfix is an MTA, maildrop is an MDA, so they're not analogs. examples [if i've learnt anything!] MTA [mail transfer agent] - sendmail, postfix, qmail, exim, mstmp MDA [mail delivery agent] - procmail, maildrop, qpopper, courier IMAP, cyrus Strictly speaking, no, qpopper, courier IMAP, and cyrus IMAP are *not* MDAs because they do not *deliver* email. They *serve* email, and don't really fit into the usual email transfer categories (MTA/MDA/MUA/MRA/MSA). See http://wiki.mutt.org/?MailConcept Now, they may *proved* MDA features; I know dovecot IMAP has an MDA/LDA program, and I think courier and cyrus come with one too, but I'm pretty sure that qpopper doesn't. Of course, now we're getting into pedantry, and kinda off track. :) ~Kyle - -- As we enjoy great Advantages from the Inventions of others we should be glad of an Opportunity to serve others by any Invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously. -- Benjamin Franklin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkmZl/wACgkQBkIOoMqOI15QWgCfZeDFJjgsOLw3k96SNvtQ9y5l /NsAoPsmIF1+/yu1v466WxBmw+RkBuvX =4OQP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: newbie install
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:44:45AM -0600, Kyle Wheeler wrote: [..] Of course, now we're getting into pedantry, and kinda off track. :) We are computer geeks; pedantry is never off-track. http://xkcd.com/386/ Cheers, -- Noah Sheppard Assistant Computer Resource Manager Taylor University CSE Department nshep...@cse.taylor.edu
Re: newbie install
Of course, now we're getting into pedantry, and kinda off track. :) ~Kyle Yea sure. I've been trying to learn my way through this. Now that exim appears to be a default install and maildrop has dependencies on exim. I'll be installing maildrop shortly and hopefully end up with the mutt installation i've been aiming for. Thanks for your help... and being patient! james
experiences with offlineimap
I know this is a little off topic, but I have the impression that there are a number of people on this list that use offlineimap and this seemed like the best forum for my question. I've been using offlineimap for a few months now to sync a local maildir with a gmail account and I've had some mixed experiences. Offlineimap functionality is great when it is working, but the problem is that it doesn't always work. It randomly crashes or hangs all the time, about once per day on average, but that figure is a little misleading because some days it crashes 5-10 times/day and other times it runs fine for 1+ week without crashing. The stack trace is almost never the same and I have not noticed any patterns. I've used various versions including 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, and a couple of versions from the repository, the latest of which was 4 days ago. I've spent a few hours digging through the code but I haven't found anything that looks interesting yet. I have a couple of solutions that kind of work, but I don't really like them. 1) run from cron without autorefresh and then kill the process after a given amount of time to handle situations where it hangs 2) wrapper that runs offlineimap with autorefresh but kills and restarts the process if there has been no output for a given period of time or the process terminates Has anybody had similar experiences with offlineimap or am I the only lucky one? -- Kevin Beranek = GPG Key: 1024D/0x5E62AB46 2009-02-13 pgpmxdJcpKMBF.pgp Description: PGP signature
using mutt with comcast
Hello, Has anyone had any success using mutt to send email using the comcast smtp service? I have comcast as my ISP, and while according to comcast I should be able to use smtp.comcast.net:25 as my smtp host, whenever I try to send email, I get an error saying that it is an invalid smtp host. Has anyone gotten this to work? I have comcast residential internet service in Arizona USA. -- Oracle http://www.oracle.com Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist Phone: +1 602 824 6213 | Fax: +1 520 744 0826 | Mobile: +1 520 271 7608 Oracle JDeveloper Quality Assurance | Tucson, Arizona Green Oracle http://www.oracle.com/commitment Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment
Re: using mutt with comcast
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, February 16 at 05:51 PM, quoth Don Raikes: smtp.comcast.net:25 as my smtp host, whenever I try to send email, I get an error saying that it is an invalid smtp host. How do you send email: via mutt's $smtp_url or with $sendmail or...? What *exactly* does the error message look like? ~Kyle - -- I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms are in the physical. -- Thomas Jefferson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkmZqKIACgkQBkIOoMqOI15XGACgsk4IylvU35fczIIUQppB4x9h GE0AoJHzv2KdxNaQtdGXKbF+BRpwkozn =+WPJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: using mutt with comcast
Hello, Has anyone had any success using mutt to send email using the comcast smtp service? I have comcast as my ISP, and while according to comcast I should be able to use smtp.comcast.net:25 as my smtp host, whenever I try to send email, I get an error saying that it is an invalid smtp host. Has anyone gotten this to work? I have comcast residential internet service in Arizona USA. Comcast is my provider, but port 25 does not work here. I have to use port 587. I am using Mutt in conjunction with msmtp. --Rem
Re: using mutt with comcast
* Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.net [2009-02-16 10:00:10 -0800]: I have comcast as my ISP, and while according to comcast I should be able to use smtp.comcast.net:25 as my smtp host, whenever I try to send email, I get an error saying that it is an invalid smtp host. Comcast is my provider, but port 25 does not work here. I have to use port 587. I am using Mutt in conjunction with msmtp. Same here. Sometime last year Comcast claimed that my machine was the source of some spamming (it was not) and they blocked any mail I tried to send. They required me to switch to a different port in order to re-enable outgoing email. Apparently port 25 is a frequent target for hack attacks, so Comcast is shutting it down as a security measure.
Re: experiences with offlineimap
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:34:31AM -0600, Kevin Beranek wrote: I know this is a little off topic, but I have the impression that there are a number of people on this list that use offlineimap and this seemed like the best forum for my question. offlineimap has its own mailing list. It randomly crashes or hangs all the time, about once per day on average, but that figure is a little misleading because some days it crashes 5-10 times/day and other times it runs fine for 1+ week without crashing. Has anybody had similar experiences with offlineimap or am I the only lucky one? I use offlineimap here and had some similar crashes (not that much however). The last version from the repository works fine here but I'm not using the deamon mode. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: experiences with offlineimap
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:40:42PM +0100, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: offlineimap has its own mailing list. I'm supposedly subscribed to it but I never get any of the messages so I figured I probably couldn't send any emails to it. I use offlineimap here and had some similar crashes (not that much however). The last version from the repository works fine here but I'm not using the deamon mode. Thanks for the response. The problems have become less frequent with successive versions; maybe I'll just have to follow the repo more closely for a while. -- Kevin Beranek = GPG Key: 1024D/0x5E62AB46 2009-02-13 pgp1r3Vd75uzu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
Hi Rocco! * Rocco Rutte pd...@gmx.net [160209, 16:44]: Hi, * Ennio-Sr wrote: On posts going back to 2003 I red it was possible to switch identity while composing a message. What I understood from those posts was that you had to put the following lines in .muttrc: macro compose z edit-from^UIdentity_tab Select from alias Identity_11st_addr...@tin.it alias Identity_22nd_addr...@tin.it . .. alias Identity_nnth_addre...@tin.it then, pressing 'z' while editing a new mail, you would be able to change your 'From:' header choosing from the list of identities. However, I did try it with no success ;-( Yes, this works like a charm. What _exactly_ happens in your case? A guess: you put ^ and U in there instead of a Control-U character? I just put an '^' and a 'U' as can be seen printed in my lines above. I do not know how to put a 'Control-U charachter' in .muttrc being edited with 'vim'. (Tried with 'C-U, which appears to be 'vim' syntax, to no avail). Anyway ... If you try to edit the from line, mutt fills it with the content already there. Control-U or kill-line editor function clears that line. Thus, the above is equivalent to: macro compose z edit-fromkill-lineIdentity_tab Select from I changed the macro line to read as you suggest (with 'kill-line') but still get the same result, i.e. nothing at all happens when I press 'z' while being in the 'compose menu' (i.e. the page pre-filled with my chosen headers that appears on the console when - within mutt - I press 'm'). Could it be related to my using vim as the default editor to compose the message? If that still doesn't work for you, please provide an error message or whatever mutt gives you. Sorry, no error message is shown: just nothing happens, except bell ringing... ;-) -- [Why use Win$ozz (I say) if ... even a fool can do that. \\?// Do something you aren't good at! (as Henry Miller used to say)] (°|°) Regards, Ennio. -- Please replace '.' for '_dot_' in my Reply-To. )=(
Re: newbie install
2009/2/16 James Freer jesseja...@googlemail.com: Of course, now we're getting into pedantry, and kinda off track. :) ~Kyle Yea sure. I've been trying to learn my way through this. Now that exim appears to be a default install and maildrop has dependencies on exim. I'll be installing maildrop shortly and hopefully end up with the mutt installation i've been aiming for. Thanks for your help... and being patient! james Just in case you're wondering [ and grinning] how i'm getting on. Done my .muttrc, .mailcap, .msmtprc My gosh what a lot of work james
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:00:53PM +0100, Ennio-Sr wrote: * Rocco Rutte pd...@gmx.net [160209, 16:44]: Yes, this works like a charm. What _exactly_ happens in your case? A guess: you put ^ and U in there instead of a Control-U character? I just put an '^' and a 'U' as can be seen printed in my lines above. I do not know how to put a 'Control-U charachter' in .muttrc being edited with 'vim'. (Tried with 'C-U, which appears to be 'vim' syntax, to no avail). Anyway ... If you really wanted to do this, as opposed to the much cleaner syntax below, to insert a literal Control-U with vim in insert mode you'd press Control-V, then Control-U. vim will probably display the character in a different color, to emphasize that it's a single Control-U character, not a sequence of caret, uppercase U. If you try to edit the from line, mutt fills it with the content already there. Control-U or kill-line editor function clears that line. Thus, the above is equivalent to: macro compose z edit-fromkill-lineIdentity_tab Select from I changed the macro line to read as you suggest (with 'kill-line') but still get the same result, i.e. nothing at all happens when I press 'z' while being in the 'compose menu' (i.e. the page pre-filled with my chosen headers that appears on the console when - within mutt - I press 'm'). It works for me. Relevant sections of my .muttrc: alias Identity_default Ed Blackman e...@edgewood.to alias Identity_school Ed Blackman a...@school.edu alias Identity_hobby Ed Blackman a...@hobby.org set from=Identity_default send-hook . my_hdr From: Identity_default send-hook ~t .*school.edu my_hdr From: Identity_school macro compose z edit-fromkill-lineIdentity_tab Select from With this configuration, when I reply or compose a new message, mutt prompts me for the address and subject, then runs my editor. When I save and exit my editor, I come back to the mutt compose menu. (The send hooks are optional, and set a different default on messages to people at my school.) I can then press z and choose between the three identities that I established. Could it be related to my using vim as the default editor to compose the message? Mutt is in control at the compose menu, so your editor doesn't matter. FYI, I also use vim. Ed signature.txt Description: Digital signature
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
Hi Ed! * Ed Blackman e...@edgewood.to [160209, 17:35]: ent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It works for me. Relevant sections of my .muttrc: alias Identity_default Ed Blackman e...@edgewood.to alias Identity_school Ed Blackman a...@school.edu alias Identity_hobby Ed Blackman a...@hobby.org set from=Identity_default send-hook . my_hdr From: Identity_default send-hook ~t .*school.edu my_hdr From: Identity_school macro compose z edit-fromkill-lineIdentity_tab Select from With this configuration, when I reply or compose a new message, mutt prompts me for the address and subject, then runs my editor. When I save and exit my editor, I come back to the mutt compose menu. (The send hooks are optional, and set a different default on messages to people at my school.) I can then press z and choose between the three identities that I established. I commented all my .muttrc lines referring to 'unhook' and 'send-hook' and adapted the lines you suggested to my addresses. Still nothing happens when I press 'z'! Moreover, when I compose a new message, my 'From' hdr reads: From: Identity_default There might be some other devil line in .muttrc which prevent correct execution of macro ;-( Thanks, anyway, for your help. -- [Why use Win$ozz (I say) if ... even a fool can do that. \\?// Do something you aren't good at! (as Henry Miller used to say)] (°|°) Regards, Ennio. )=(
Change From hdr
My muttrc has this setting which I find very very convenient macro compose escjb escf\Ca\CkJoe \j...@bloggs.com\\n macro compose escjj escf\Ca\CkJoe Bloggs \joe.bl...@bloggs.com\\n macro compose escjf escf\Ca\CkJonathon \joe.bl...@anotherisp.com\\n What this does is before I send my mail, push [esc] button then jj and I become Joe Bloggs joe.bl...@bloggs.com or [esc] jf and I become Jonathon joe.bl...@anotherisp.com Very easy Regards Daryl
Re: How to change dynamically the From hdr?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:16:14AM +0100, Ennio-Sr wrote: I commented all my .muttrc lines referring to 'unhook' and 'send-hook' and adapted the lines you suggested to my addresses. Still nothing happens when I press 'z'! Are you sure you're in the compose menu when you press 'z'? You should see -- Mutt: Compose in the lower left. Moreover, when I compose a new message, my 'From' hdr reads: From: Identity_default Yeah, I did that deliberately to remind myself of the option. You might want to change the set from= line and the send-hook lines to have actual addresses if you don't want that in your editor. The compose menu is what you get *after* you've saved your message and exited the editor. Ed signature.txt Description: Digital signature
