change folder / quit behaviour
Hello folks using mutt, I have a small yet annoying problem regarding mutt. In my .muttrc file I have this line macro pager c change-folder?toggle-mailboxes open a different folder as I have many mailboxes, this macro allows me change folder when I am browsing some messages. Ok, not to the problem: let's say I pressed 'c' and am now /browsing the folders/. I would love to be able to press 'c' again to close muttm. As simple as this seems, I wasn't able to do it. Example, I put this into .muttrc: macro browser c quit Now: - if I start mutt and press 'c', it correctly quits - if I start mutm, open a mail folder, press 'c' twice, it will first go to the folder-browser (ok) and then (second 'c' tapped) will return to the opened mailbox I am quite puzzled by the behaviour and don't know how to tackle the problem. Do you folks can please help me? Ciao from Italy -Franco
Re: People that CC mailing lists
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 02:00:41PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Michael Elkins wrote: I prefer to save the copy with the List-Post header field rather than the personal copy, so I use a slightly different approach: Agreed. However Mailman has an option that is often (ab)used. Filter out duplicate messages to list members (if possible) In which case if you are subscribed to the mailing list and someone posts to the mailing list and also either To: or Cc: your subscribed address then Mailman does not mail you a mailing list copy. Argh! I always uncheck that when I have control of a mailing list. But others tend to check it. Each subscriber can set it in the preferences page, but yeah, initially it could be a problem. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: People that CC mailing lists
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 08:02:02AM +0100, Alexander Dahl wrote: This is exactly the problem: if you have unexperienced or uninterested users you want them to have an easy user interface. Teaching them to hit reply if they want to answer just to the poster and reply to all for answering all (aka the list) is difficult enough, even though this does not break with the thing you do with mail to multiple receivers without mailinglists. If you don't have the avoid box checked in mailman those people get duplicate messages and that's what you do not want, because this ends in discussions about their MUAs and then you are screwed anyway. Why? It is awkward replying to a list when a copy isn't sent to the subscriber of the list¹ 'L' doesn't work for a start. Catering for inexperienced or uninterested users unfortunately makes it awkward for normal users. Inexperienced or uninterested users will soon become experienced users and will eventually thank you. (maybe?) :) ¹ I've got a strange feeling of deja vu ... m!? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: colorize mails from different mailing lists
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:06:01PM +0530, dexter wrote: how can i colorize 'subject' line from different mailing lists in index. Wouldn't sorting them into different mailboxes avoid the problem of two or more lists having the same subject? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: change folder / quit behaviour
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:04:22PM +, Franco wrote: I have a small yet annoying problem regarding mutt. In my .muttrc file I have this line macro pager c change-folder?toggle-mailboxes open a different folder as I have many mailboxes, this macro allows me change folder when I am browsing some messages. Ok, not to the problem: let's say I pressed 'c' and am now /browsing the folders/. I would love to be able to press 'c' again to close muttm. As simple as this seems, I wasn't able to do it. Example, I put this into .muttrc: macro browser c quit Now: - if I start mutt and press 'c', it correctly quits - if I start mutm, open a mail folder, press 'c' twice, it will first go to the folder-browser (ok) and then (second 'c' tapped) will return to the opened mailbox I am quite puzzled by the behaviour and don't know how to tackle the problem. Do you folks can please help me? macro browser c exitquit In the context of the browser, exit and quit do the same thing, which is to merely exit the file browser. What you need to do is first exit the browser, then the quit will be interpreted in the context of the index/pager, which will make mutt terminate.
Re: People that CC mailing lists
Hei hei, On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:51:54AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: But dumbing things down also causes problems. People should learn some social graces. Email is one of the basic forms of communication in our new electronic world. I think this facade does them no favors. This would mean to convince them willingly put time in understanding mailing lists, choose a sophisticated MUA with reply to list feature or check and probably change To/Cc in each and every mail. Good luck with this. I stay with accepting there are dumb people (no offense) and am happy if they use e-mail at all. 1. I will get a copy without the mailing list List-* headers. + list-reply own't work reliably. + Mail filing won't work reliably. Improve your filing, this is not impossible. 2. If my site rejects their direct reply, such as it coming from a dynamic IP address range, then I won't ever get either message. The mailing list has no way to know that I did not get a direct reply. The mailing list may have whitelisted them however. I would normally receive all mailing list messages because I will have whitelisted the mailing list. Dumb users will probably use some big mail provider without dynamic IP addresses. 3. Most of them will simply have done a private reply anyway and won't have included the mailing list. Sure? I wouldn't bet. I dream of a world where MUAs did The Right Thing. Like mutt! :-) As long as we have M$ around and this new app developers ignoring RFCs and standards, this will be a long lasting dream. Greets Alex -- »With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.« (Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie) *** GnuPG-FP: 02C8 A590 7FE5 CA5F 3601 D1D5 8FBA 7744 CC87 10D0 *** pgpdjLXDA09mK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: People that CC mailing lists
Hei hei, On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 02:44:19AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Why? It is awkward replying to a list when a copy isn't sent to the subscriber of the list¹ 'L' doesn't work for a start. Catering for inexperienced or uninterested users unfortunately makes it awkward for normal users. Inexperienced or uninterested users will soon become experienced users and will eventually thank you. (maybe?) :) Not necessarily. Take roundcube webmailer. There's a button with two arrows looking like an reply to all button. It is however a combined reply to all and reply to list button with default to reply to list so the GUI helps the user doing the right thing for both unexperienced and power users in an easy _and_ standard compliant way. No awkward user experience for normal or power users. Sorry to say that but not all users will become experienced users some day, although we want to believe that on a mailing list of an extremely powerful tool. ;-) Greets Alex -- »With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.« (Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie) *** GnuPG-FP: 02C8 A590 7FE5 CA5F 3601 D1D5 8FBA 7744 CC87 10D0 *** pgpcEdkryBi_B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: People that CC mailing lists
Incoming from Alexander Dahl:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:51:54AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
But dumbing things down also causes problems. People should learn
some social graces. Email is one of the basic forms of communication
in our new electronic world. I think this facade does them no favors.
This would mean to convince them willingly put time in understanding
mailing lists, choose a sophisticated MUA with reply to list feature
or check and probably change To/Cc in each and every mail. Good luck
with this. I stay with accepting there are dumb people (no offense)
and am happy if they use e-mail at all.
Roger that. The mortals I know think email's old-school/obsolete.
They consider it hard to use, their inboxes are full of UCE (or
worse), and it seems my sister receives my multi-paragraph replies to
her questions on her iPhone, which only displays the first one or two
lines of them. Great.
Dumb users will probably use some big mail provider without dynamic IP
addresses.
It's not fair to call them dumb. Not being an IT geek is not the same
thing as being stupid. I wish knew the answer to this conundrum.
Educating them isn't it. They don't want that. Smarter software
isn't either, or mutt would've taken over the world by now.
Mind-machine interface? Not there yet, sadly.
As long as we have M$ around and this new app developers ignoring RFCs
and standards, this will be a long lasting dream.
MS has built an empire around flouting RFCs. Don't expect that to
change.
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