Re: 'N' indicator in folder list
% However, one thing I have noticed is that when I am viewing my list of
% mailboxes ('c' then 'tab'), there are no 'N' indicators next to mailboxes
% which contain unread mail.
Don't define new as 'contains unread mail', but instead as 'has been
read from since it was last written to' and see if your display makes
sense.
Is there a solution for those of us who -do- want to define new as
contains unread mail? I generally do not care whether a folder has been
read from since it was last written to. What i'm interested in is which
folders still have messages in them that i haven't yet read.
Perhaps another %-escape should be added to folder_format for this purpose.
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Re: 'N' indicator in folder list
Mike, et al -- ...and then Mike Schiraldi said... % % Don't define new as 'contains unread mail', but instead as 'has been % read from since it was last written to' and see if your display makes % sense. % % Is there a solution for those of us who -do- want to define new as % contains unread mail? I generally do not care whether a folder has been Not yet. % read from since it was last written to. What i'm interested in is which % folders still have messages in them that i haven't yet read. How could you tell that, though? So far the only way is to open each folder (whatever format) and read the whole thing to look for message status headers. That could take quite a long time on some of the folders I have, and I've found out that mine are *small* compared to those of others out there! % % Perhaps another %-escape should be added to folder_format for this purpose. The last suggestion that came up was for someone to write a feature patch that implemented a $look_inside_folders_and_count_new_messages variable of some sort, so that those of us who don't want to spend the time reading the mailboxes don't have to. I believe, however, that ME is working on a caching patch which might also include a count of messages and their stati. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24174/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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How could you tell that, though? When i call change-folder, the default is always the next folder which contains unread messages. I haven't had a chance to look into how it does it, but i'd imagine it would be really easy to use this preexisting functionality to look at all mailboxes. msg24180/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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--UfEAyuTBtIjiZzX6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Mike Schiraldi spake thus: Is there a solution for those of us who -do- want to define new as contains unread mail? I generally do not care whether a folder has been read from since it was last written to. What i'm interested in is which folders still have messages in them that i haven't yet read. As david mentioned, some people are working on hacks and patches to do this. In the mean time, I use the mbox's filesize to tell me when there are unread messages. What I mean is, I use mbox-hooks to move all my read mail into a seperate folder. Thus, any mbox with a nonzero size contains unread mail. HTH! ;) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- And 1.1.81 is officially BugFree(tm), so if you receive any bug-reports on it, you know they are just evil lies. -- Linus Torvalds --UfEAyuTBtIjiZzX6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8XtOJPTh2iSBKeccRAmIdAJ9DeCZcJVphQtv3bd8sWzEbBTUo1gCeNNYQ xi8S2GwC0ehYtbteFnhjqQ8= =UA3e -END PGP SIGNATURE- --UfEAyuTBtIjiZzX6--
Re: 'N' indicator in folder list
Mike -- ...and then Mike Schiraldi said... % % How could you tell that, though? [that being whether or not there are actually 'N'-flagged messages in a folder...] % % When i call change-folder, the default is always the next folder which % contains unread messages. I haven't had a chance to look into how it does Ah -- but mutt isn't picking it because of that; it's picking it because the mtime is later than the atime. % it, but i'd imagine it would be really easy to use this preexisting % functionality to look at all mailboxes. It already does :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24190/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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% it, but i'd imagine it would be really easy to use this preexisting % functionality to look at all mailboxes. It already does :-) I guess we're talking about different things here. I'll try to be more specific: I come into work in the morning and go into my =mutt folder. There are, say, 50 unread messages that have arrived since yesterday. I don't feel like reading them now, so i go to the next mailbox. In some mailboxes, i read the unread messages. In other mailboxes i leave them for later. Now i want to go back and read the unread messages that i skipped. I can press the change-folder key and go to whatever mailbox is the default. This is great, because the default is always takes me to the next mailbox containing unread messages. If no mailboxes contain unread messages, there is no default. However, sometimes i want to see a list of all mailboxes containing unread messages. But the folder list's %N escape does not show this. It shows which folders have had new mail placed in them since the last time i visited them. I'd like to add an escape sequence that marks any folders that contain unread mail. You're saying that processing such an escape sequence would require a lot of new code in mutt and take a lot of time, because looking for unread messages is slow and hard. But i find that strange because mutt already has a way of identifying folders with unread messages, and it uses it to pick a default for the change-folders command. I use maildir -- perhaps that is why your results differ from mine? msg24193/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:18:05PM -0500, * Mike Schiraldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we're talking about different things here. I'll try to be more specific: I come into work in the morning and go into my =mutt folder. There are, say, 50 unread messages that have arrived since yesterday. I don't feel like reading them now, so i go to the next mailbox. In some mailboxes, i read the unread messages. In other mailboxes i leave them for later. Now i want to go back and read the unread messages that i skipped. I can press the change-folder key and go to whatever mailbox is the default. This is great, because the default is always takes me to the next mailbox containing unread messages. If no mailboxes contain unread messages, there is no default. However, sometimes i want to see a list of all mailboxes containing unread messages. But the folder list's %N escape does not show this. It shows which folders have had new mail placed in them since the last time i visited them. I'd like to add an escape sequence that marks any folders that contain unread mail. You're saying that processing such an escape sequence would require a lot of new code in mutt and take a lot of time, because looking for unread messages is slow and hard. But i find that strange because mutt already has a way of identifying folders with unread messages, and it uses it to pick a default for the change-folders command. I use maildir -- perhaps that is why your results differ from mine? Look for mark_old in the manual. Perhaps unsetting mark_old and something like the old2new.pl script from my homepage are what you want. Nicolas
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Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: * Mike Schiraldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, sometimes i want to see a list of all mailboxes containing unread messages. But the folder list's %N escape does not show this. It shows which folders have had new mail placed in them since the last time i visited them. I'd like to add an escape sequence that marks any folders that contain unread mail. Look for mark_old in the manual. Perhaps unsetting mark_old and something like the old2new.pl script from my homepage are what you want. no.. you're not reading the question. the point is that with Maildir, mutt DOES recognize mailboxes that still have new mail in them (ie if you hit change-folder, mutt will go to a Maildir that still has new mail in it. however in the file browser, mailboxes with new mail in them don't have an N next to them. w
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Look for mark_old in the manual. I already unset mark_old .. so none of my messages are ever marked O. They're marked N until i read them. I should probably wade into the buffy code before this thread gets any longer. msg24196/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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however in the file browser, mailboxes with new mail in them don't have an N next to them. Okay, it looks like the problem is as follows: Using maildir (i have no experience with other folder types), when the folder_format string contains %N, every folder that contains unread mail will be marked with N, __unless it is the currently selected folder__. This is because the buffy struct for the current folder has its new flag set to 0 even if it would be 1 were it not the current folder. Is there a reason for this? (Replies to mutt-dev only, please) -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24197/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Mike, et al -- ...and then Mike Schiraldi said... % % % it, but i'd imagine it would be really easy to use this preexisting % % functionality to look at all mailboxes. % % It already does :-) % % I guess we're talking about different things here. I'll try to be more % specific: --8-- ... --8-- % % You're saying that processing such an escape sequence would require a lot of % new code in mutt and take a lot of time, because looking for unread messages Right. That's been the argument before. The general way (remember that we don't want to have to write any folderformat-specific code high up but instead use a generic function call interface) to check for new (unread, not-old) mail is to open the folder and look at every message. % is slow and hard. But i find that strange because mutt already has a way of % identifying folders with unread messages, and it uses it to pick a default % for the change-folders command. % % I use maildir -- perhaps that is why your results differ from mine? I read your explanation before pruning it away, and I *would* say in every case that mutt is behaving as expected and showing 'N' for folders whose mtime has been updated since you were in them in your morning overview -- and that the method that it uses to pick a default for change-folder is the same, not different, and not dependent on actual new mail. However, in light of your followup elsewhere in this thread, I'd have to agree that Maildir is somehow a different beast. Good luck :-) So tell me a bit about Maildir... When new mail arrives, it is written to tmp/ and then atomically moved to new/, right? Does it stay in new/ until you read it and it moves to cur/? If that's the usual behavior, when you e'x'it or otherwise don't sync your changes (like changing from 'n'ew to read) do they stay in new/ instead of moving? I had thought that all mail gets moved to cur/ as a final part of the delivery and that the MUA was not expected to find things in new/ ... HAND! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24201/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Feb 04, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: So tell me a bit about Maildir... When new mail arrives, it is written to tmp/ and then atomically moved to new/, right? Does it stay in new/ until you read it and it moves to cur/? If that's the usual behavior, Yes. when you e'x'it or otherwise don't sync your changes (like changing from 'n'ew to read) do they stay in new/ instead of moving? I had thought Yes. And Mutt will move them back to new/ if you toggle the N flag to true again and sync. that all mail gets moved to cur/ as a final part of the delivery and that the MUA was not expected to find things in new/ ... No... the MTA is responsible for getting it to new/. The MUA is responsible for it after that. From the maildir(5) man page: HOW A MESSAGE IS DELIVERED ... Files in cur are just like files in new. The big differ ence is that files in cur are no longer new mail: they have been seen by the user's mail-reading program. ... HOW A MESSAGE IS READ A mail reader operates as follows. It looks through the new directory for new messages. Say there is a new message, new/unique. The reader may freely display the contents of new/unique, delete new/unique, or rename new/unique as cur/unique:info. See http://pobox.com/~djb/proto/maildir.html for the meaning of info. The reader is also expected to look through the tmp direc tory and to clean up any old files found there. A file in tmp may be safely removed if it has not been accessed in 36 hours. It is a good idea for readers to skip all filenames in new and cur starting with a dot. Other than this, readers should not attempt to parse filenames. msg24205/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Jeremy, et al -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % % On Feb 04, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % So tell me a bit about Maildir... When new mail arrives, it is written % to tmp/ and then atomically moved to new/, right? Does it stay in new/ % until you read it and it moves to cur/? If that's the usual behavior, % % Yes. Aha. Gotcha. % % when you e'x'it or otherwise don't sync your changes (like changing from % 'n'ew to read) do they stay in new/ instead of moving? I had thought % % Yes. And Mutt will move them back to new/ if you toggle the N flag to true % again and sync. So, for Maildir, there is a quick way to see if there are any new messages in the folder. Good enough. Now for someone who wants to write up a patch to take advantage of this :-) % % that all mail gets moved to cur/ as a final part of the delivery and that % the MUA was not expected to find things in new/ ... % % No... the MTA is responsible for getting it to new/. The MUA is % responsible for it after that. % % From the maildir(5) man page: [snip] Thanks for the details! HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24208/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
'N' indicator in folder list
Greetings,
I'm trying out mutt v. 1.3.27i and am finding it to be quite nice so far.
However, one thing I have noticed is that when I am viewing my list of
mailboxes ('c' then 'tab'), there are no 'N' indicators next to mailboxes
which contain unread mail. Is this a feature that I need to toggle on in this
version? Or has this ability been eliminated?
Thanks,
Peter
Re: 'N' indicator in folder list
Peter --
...and then Peter R. Wood - Lists said...
%
% Greetings,
Hello!
%
% I'm trying out mutt v. 1.3.27i and am finding it to be quite nice so far.
Good to hear.
% However, one thing I have noticed is that when I am viewing my list of
% mailboxes ('c' then 'tab'), there are no 'N' indicators next to mailboxes
% which contain unread mail. Is this a feature that I need to toggle on in this
Don't define new as 'contains unread mail', but instead as 'has been
read from since it was last written to' and see if your display makes
sense. In particular, even if you think you haven't been in those
folders, make sure nothing else (biff, your shell, etcetc) has checked
'em for mail).
% version? Or has this ability been eliminated?
Oh, no.
%
% Thanks,
HTH HAND
%
% Peter
:-D
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Re: 'N' indicator in folder list
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:36:31PM -0500, Peter R. Wood - Lists wrote:
However, one thing I have noticed is that when I am viewing my list of
mailboxes ('c' then 'tab'), there are no 'N' indicators next to mailboxes
I'm not sure, I use version .25, but maybe the default $folder_format
has changed? You should check it in your muttrc. Mine looks like:
set folder_format=%N %8sb - %d %f
where %N stands for new mail indicator ('N')
HTH
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