Re: Mailing list status

2018-09-02 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy 
On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 08:09:21PM +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2018-03-12, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> > The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
> > things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.
> 
> The web archive for this list at marc.info[0] stopped being updated
> after the mailing list move. Same goes for mutt-dev[1].

Whoops, I didn't notice either.  I assumed when I ported the subscriber
lists over, marc.info would be included, but looks like I forgot to
double-check that.

> It seems that there are web archives for mutt-users and mutt-dev at
> mutt.org[2,3]. Out of curiosity, why aren't these listed in the mutt
> website[4]?

It was a bonus I didn't ask for or expect, so I just didn't put it on my
list of things to update.  However, given the marc.info gap, I'll do so.

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Re: Mailing list status

2018-09-02 Thread nunojsilva 
On 2018-03-12, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:

> The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
> things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.

I only noticed this now. As far as I can tell, it hasn't been mentioned
here yet: (I might have overlooked some message, though)

The web archive for this list at marc.info[0] stopped being updated
after the mailing list move. Same goes for mutt-dev[1].

[0] https://marc.info/?l=mutt-users
[1] https://marc.info/?l=mutt-dev


It seems that there are web archives for mutt-users and mutt-dev at
mutt.org[2,3]. Out of curiosity, why aren't these listed in the mutt
website[4]?

[2] http://lists.mutt.org/pipermail/mutt-users/
[3] http://lists.mutt.org/pipermail/mutt-dev/
[4] http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html

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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-14 Thread Sandro Santilli 
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:23:13AM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:

>:0
>* ^List-Post: .*mutt-users@(osuosl|mutt)\.org
>.mutt-users/

Thanks Will, I was hoping to get this back from my mail :)

--strk;

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-14 Thread Will Yardley 
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 09:27:06AM +0100, Sandro Santilli wrote:
> What I use for procmail (if anyone finds it useful):
> 
>   :0
>   * ^List-Post: .*mutt-users@mutt.org
>   .mutt-users/
> 
>   :0
>   * ^List-Post: .*mutt-us...@osuosl.org
>   .mutt-users/

Don't forget to escape your literal dots in procmail recipes, mutt\.org
vs. mutt.org.

   :0
   * ^List-Post: .*mutt-users@(osuosl|mutt)\.org
   .mutt-users/

In this case, above should work, consolidating into one recipe (you can
also use |\ to chain conditions vs. making it two condition).

w

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-14 Thread Sandro Santilli 
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:59:45PM -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:05:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 02:39:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> > > OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
> > > errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links.  I think they have accidentally
> > > goofed up the list ids and headers in the process.  I've let them know
> > > about the problem - sorry for the confusion.
> > 
> > Replying to myself to check the headers.  Please pardon the noise.
> 
> well, FWIW, I just happened to have set procmail to use a header
> that (so far) remains intact, so (again, so far) I'm golden:
> 
>   # mutt-users
>   :0:
>   * ^TOmutt-users
>   | $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users
> 
>   # mutt-announce
>   :0:
>   * ^TOmutt-announce
>   | $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

What I use for procmail (if anyone finds it useful):

  :0
  * ^List-Post: .*mutt-users@mutt.org
  .mutt-users/

  :0
  * ^List-Post: .*mutt-us...@osuosl.org
  .mutt-users/

NOTE: the above two rules can probably be merged but I'm staying
on the safe side

--strk;

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-13 Thread Fred Smith 
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:05:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 02:39:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> > OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
> > errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links.  I think they have accidentally
> > goofed up the list ids and headers in the process.  I've let them know
> > about the problem - sorry for the confusion.
> 
> Replying to myself to check the headers.  Please pardon the noise.

well, FWIW, I just happened to have set procmail to use a header
that (so far) remains intact, so (again, so far) I'm golden:

# mutt-users
:0:
* ^TOmutt-users
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

# mutt-announce
:0:
* ^TOmutt-announce
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users



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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-13 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy 
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 02:39:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
> errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links.  I think they have accidentally
> goofed up the list ids and headers in the process.  I've let them know
> about the problem - sorry for the confusion.

Replying to myself to check the headers.  Please pardon the noise.

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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-13 Thread Alexander Dahl 
Hei hei,

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:18:21PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:
> Is the osuosl.org domain going to show up in the headers sometimes as
> well? I'm seeing most stuff w/ mutt.org in the headers, but most recent
> message came via osuosl.org domain - maybe Mailman vhost settings need
> to be updated?

I already saw three different List-Id settings in the last two days now:

* mutt-users.mutt.org
* mutt-users.osuosl.org
* mutt-users.lists.mutt.org

I added all of those to my exim forward filter rules, but I would
appreciate if this could settle to some final value soon. ;-)

Greets
Alex

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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-13 Thread Pete Kelly 
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 06:29:10PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 13.03.18 08:31, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > On 12Mar2018 12:31, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:
> > > The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
> > > things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.
> > 
> > I notice that the Sender: header now says {listname}-boun...@mutt.org
> > whereas before it said owner-{listname}@mutt.org. (Because my mail filing
> > rule no longer matched.)
> 
> Works flawlessly here, as at some point I'd switched procmail to look
> at List-Post: instead. (Perhaps there was some other change some years
> back, to prompt that.)
> 
> Many thanks Kevin, for keeping us afloat - and for building the ship.
> 
> Erik

Definitely a +1 from here.

Thanks for all that you do!

Pete

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-13 Thread Erik Christiansen 
On 13.03.18 08:31, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 12Mar2018 12:31, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:
> > The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
> > things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.
> 
> I notice that the Sender: header now says {listname}-boun...@mutt.org
> whereas before it said owner-{listname}@mutt.org. (Because my mail filing
> rule no longer matched.)

Works flawlessly here, as at some point I'd switched procmail to look
at List-Post: instead. (Perhaps there was some other change some years
back, to prompt that.)

Many thanks Kevin, for keeping us afloat - and for building the ship.

Erik

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-12 Thread nunojsilva 
On 2018-03-12, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:01:08PM +, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> It looks like the "nomail" subscription setting was lost in this
>> transition.
>> 
>> I have been subscribed that way for some time and today, for the first
>> time ever, I received a few emails from this mailing list.
>
> Sorry about that.  Yes, the 'nomail' and 'digest' options were lost, and
> I have no way to retrieve them.  I'll have to ask for your forgiveness
> and request you manually re-enable those settings for your account.
>
> Subscription settings can be edited at:
> https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users
>
> Note, however, that the website and mailman are not integrated yet.
> Some of the mailman links in emails point to
>  prefixes which currently don't work.
> Please use the above osuosl.org URL for now.

To do this by e-mail:

1. The mailing list software now requires the password to be provided
   with some requests and it appears that passwords were reset with this
   migration. So, first send an email containing just "password" to
   mutt-users-requ...@mutt.org

2. After receiving the password, send a second e-mail to the same
   address with

   set authenticate your-password
   set delivery off

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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-12 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy 
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:01:08PM +, Nuno Silva wrote:
> It looks like the "nomail" subscription setting was lost in this
> transition.
> 
> I have been subscribed that way for some time and today, for the first
> time ever, I received a few emails from this mailing list.

Sorry about that.  Yes, the 'nomail' and 'digest' options were lost, and
I have no way to retrieve them.  I'll have to ask for your forgiveness
and request you manually re-enable those settings for your account.

Subscription settings can be edited at:
https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users

Note, however, that the website and mailman are not integrated yet.
Some of the mailman links in emails point to
 prefixes which currently don't work.
Please use the above osuosl.org URL for now.

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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-12 Thread nunojsilva 
On 2018-03-12, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:

> Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
> catastrophic failure.
>
> Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
> moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL.  I had planned a couple more steps
> to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.
>
> The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
> things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.
[...]

Hello,

It looks like the "nomail" subscription setting was lost in this
transition.

I have been subscribed that way for some time and today, for the first
time ever, I received a few emails from this mailing list.

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Nuno Silva

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-12 Thread Cameron Simpson 

On 12Mar2018 12:31, Kevin J. McCarthy  wrote:

Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
catastrophic failure.

Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL.  I had planned a couple more steps
to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.


Many thanks!


The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.


I notice that the Sender: header now says {listname}-boun...@mutt.org whereas 
before it said owner-{listname}@mutt.org. (Because my mail filing rule no 
longer matched.)


In my mind the original value is better, with a Return-Path: header for 
{listname}-boun...@mutt.org. (Assuming of course that owner-{listname} is still 
a valid address.)


But this is very minor.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson  (formerly c...@zip.com.au)

Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-12 Thread Francesco Ariis 
Hello Kevin,
thanks for the hard work.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:31:34PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
> things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.

1. The listinfo URL

> http://mutt.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt-users

returns a 404.

2. (minor) I would change:

> Mutt-users mailing list
> Mutt-users@mutt.org

to this:

> mutt-users mailing list - mutt-users@mutt.org

(i.e. one line, email address not capitalised)
-F

Mailing list status

2018-03-12 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy 
Hi Everyone,

Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
catastrophic failure.

Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL.  I had planned a couple more steps
to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.

The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman.  There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked.  Please let me know about any issues.

It is likely that emails sent to the list since Friday night will not
make it through, and will need to be resent.  Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Please let me offer a huge thank you to GBNet for donating their time
and servers to Mutt for many, many years, and also express my
appreciation to OSUOSL for working with me to transition to their
hosting services.

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