Re: Mutt color limitations
On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 12:57:21AM +0100, Lee J. Moore wrote: | 'brightwhite' creates *bold* white text, whereas 'white' creates | grey text FWIW, I've seen in the gnome-terminal palette that white really is grey, and brightwhite is really white. The solution there is to tweak the terminal so that the palette matches what I want it to be. I, for one, would like the flexibility that lots of colors allow, in particular for vim's syntax highlighting of xml and email. However it seems that X is required for that (gvim does a better job than 'vim'). -D -- All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord. Proverbs 16:2 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg30405/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 12:57:21AM +0100, Lee J. Moore wrote: | 'brightwhite' creates *bold* white text, whereas 'white' creates | grey text FWIW, I've seen in the gnome-terminal palette that white really is grey, and brightwhite is really white. The solution there is to tweak the terminal so that the palette matches what I want it to be. As I said, the background colour can appear as black, despite the fact that it's suppose to be white. Changing the foreground colour will bizarrely change the background colour to one that wasn't stated, for god knows what reason. As for the terminal, this is the Gnome2 Terminal in which you can switch easily between it's own palette (Linux Console), Xterm, Rxvt, and even custom. Switching between them updates the colours in running apps in front of your eyes. Also - there is no difference whether I'm using other (non-Gnome) terminals. Mutt will not accept color8 and above, nor even things like lightgray, which a few documents I've read claim Mutt *should* accept when compiled with slang. On the contrary, slrn renders all sixteen colours without a problem. [..] -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30409/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lee J. Moore wrote: Oh woah is me for following up to my own followup but this is driving me nuts. ;) [..] Trying to use color8 and above, results in [sic] errors. [..] This is despite the fact that color8 and above is available with slrn in the same terminal. I can use color8, color9, etc., - in slrn's actual config file and the results can clearly be seen when slrn is launched. I'm using Mutt 1.4-r2 (compiled/installed from source with Gentoo's Portage) if that's relevant. Further to this, mutt is compiled with slang and apparently this alone should apparently make lightgray available, but Mutt says this is an invalid colour. Sixteen colours are available to all of my terminal apps, bar mutt which only allows colours in the range of [color0-color7]. It doesn't seem to matter what terminal I'm using either. ldd /usr/bin/mutt libslang.so.1 = /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 (0x4002e000) libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40092000) libssl.so.0.9.6 = /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 (0x400b4000) libcrypto.so.0.9.6 = /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 (0x400e1000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4019d000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x402cc000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) mutt -v Mutt 1.4i (2002-05-29) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 (i686) [using slang 10405] Compile options: -DOMAIN -DEBUG +HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE -USE_FCNTL +USE_FLOCK +USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS +USE_SSL -USE_SASL -HAVE_REGCOMP +USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR -HAVE_START_COLOR -HAVE_TYPEAHEAD -HAVE_BKGDSET -HAVE_CURS_SET -HAVE_META -HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET ++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=Maildir PKGDATADIR=/usr/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/etc/mutt EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30364/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE : Mutt color limitations
Hmm.. I compiled mutt with slang, and I discovered that contrary to ncurses, the headers now had background colour to the end of the line, but brightblack no longer worked. (tried with xterm, rxvt, aterm and konsole) I'd love it of mutt could use the standard unix rgb.txt color names and a higher selection of colours. Philip Wittamore, using outhouse because he's at work :-( -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] De la part de Lee J. Moore Envoyé : mardi 20 août 2002 13:52 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Mutt color limitations On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lee J. Moore wrote: Oh woah is me for following up to my own followup but this is driving me nuts. ;) [..] Trying to use color8 and above, results in [sic] errors. [..] This is despite the fact that color8 and above is available with slrn in the same terminal. I can use color8, color9, etc., - in slrn's actual config file and the results can clearly be seen when slrn is launched. I'm using Mutt 1.4-r2 (compiled/installed from source with Gentoo's Portage) if that's relevant. Further to this, mutt is compiled with slang and apparently this alone should apparently make lightgray available, but Mutt says this is an invalid colour. Sixteen colours are available to all of my terminal apps, bar mutt which only allows colours in the range of [color0-color7]. It doesn't seem to matter what terminal I'm using either. ldd /usr/bin/mutt libslang.so.1 = /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 (0x4002e000) libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40092000) libssl.so.0.9.6 = /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 (0x400b4000) libcrypto.so.0.9.6 = /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 (0x400e1000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4019d000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x402cc000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) mutt -v Mutt 1.4i (2002-05-29) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 (i686) [using slang 10405] Compile options: -DOMAIN -DEBUG +HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE -USE_FCNTL +USE_FLOCK +USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS +USE_SSL -USE_SASL -HAVE_REGCOMP +USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR -HAVE_START_COLOR -HAVE_TYPEAHEAD -HAVE_BKGDSET -HAVE_CURS_SET -HAVE_META -HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=Maildir PKGDATADIR=/usr/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/etc/mutt EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28)
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Philip Wittamore wrote: Hmm.. I compiled mutt with slang, and I discovered that contrary to ncurses, the headers now had background colour to the end of the line, but brightblack no longer worked. (tried with xterm, rxvt, aterm and konsole) Yep, same here. Considering the number of terminals I've used and the fact that they all support sixteen colours with other apps, I find it difficult to believe it's not Mutt at fault. No amount of googling turns up solutions, nor posting to the list. Maybe it's only a minority of Mutt users who want more than eight colours. I've got one ugly mutt here atm. ;( I'd love it of mutt could use the standard unix rgb.txt color names and a higher selection of colours. A nice idea! Philip Wittamore, using outhouse because he's at work :-( You should complain to the council. Indoor toilets are required for health and safety reasons thesedays. ;-) -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30380/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 11:16:55PM +0100, Lee J. Moore wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Philip Wittamore wrote: Hmm.. I compiled mutt with slang, and I discovered that contrary to ncurses, the headers now had background colour to the end of the line, but brightblack no longer worked. (tried with xterm, rxvt, aterm and konsole) ROFL (slang, cited as a standard) Yep, same here. Considering the number of terminals I've used and the fact that they all support sixteen colours with other apps, I find it difficult to believe it's not Mutt at fault. No amount of googling turns up solutions, nor posting to the list. Maybe it's only a minority of Mutt users who want more than eight colours. 8 colors are standard (the majority of those 16-color applications are assuming that bold colors are bright - which is not a valid assumption in many cases). -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Mutt color limitations
Le (20/08/02 23:16), Lee J. Moore à ecrit: Maybe it's only a minority of Mutt users who want more than eight colours. do you think that some believe that colour is too un-nerdy ? me, I'm a brand of monkey, and colour is just as important for my mail as it was when my great-grandaddy was picking out ripe fruit up in the trees. tastefull use of colour makes for easy reading selecting, and we are built to use it, so it's important where interfaces are concerned. Phil -- Philip Wittamore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aposit
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Thomas Dickey wrote: [..] 8 colors are standard (the majority of those 16-color applications are assuming that bold colors are bright - which is not a valid assumption in many cases). Well, as an example, in slrn, I've got a lightgray statusbar with white text. Easier to read than you might think. In Mutt, I'm finding it impossible to achieve. 'brightwhite' creates *bold* white text, whereas 'white' creates grey text (the grey I see, is actually lightgray according to slrn). If I change the status bar to 'white' (ahem, cough, cough, lightgray), and the text to 'brightwhite', the status bar actually ends up *black*! Is Mutt trying to hold my hand here or something? If I want to use difficult colour combinations (and I don't think they are difficult), I'd like to make that decision/mistake myself. -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30383/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt color limitations
--Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Lee J. Moore spake thus: I've got one ugly mutt here atm. ;( I seem to be able to get by with only 8 colors. Although, I did implement the hack that lets you have a 256 color xterm... and it worked, because the test programs were printing all wild color shizzit... but I can't for the life of me figure out how to make any of my applications *use* those extra colors, so the 256 colors are useless ;) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park http://members.shaw.ca/feztaa/ -- Satire is what closes Saturday night. -- George Kaufman --Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9YtyrPTh2iSBKeccRAlN3AJ4sXR/aWX3tko+qMCY/BAysTF8wJgCfSREJ zpmNmL5lk89d2LUVZA81yDM= =wm9s -END PGP SIGNATURE- --Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e--
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Philip Wittamore wrote: Le (20/08/02 23:16), Lee J. Moore à ecrit: Maybe it's only a minority of Mutt users who want more than eight colours. do you think that some believe that colour is too un-nerdy ? Um...no! I don't care about others perceptions. If I did, I wouldn't tell anybody but my psychaitrist. ;) [..] tastefull use of colour makes for easy reading selecting, and we are built to use it, so it's important where interfaces are concerned. I agree 100%. I've already decided upon a tasteful colour scheme in slrn. It's getting the same colours in Mutt (in particular color8-color15) that is the problem. -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30385/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Mutt color limitations
Is there a patch anywhere to increase the number of colors available in Mutt? I'm trying to get it to match a new color scheme I've just created for slrn, but just getting a grey/white status line is difficult. Perhaps easy if the whole mutt color scheme was to be in mono but it's not. -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30330/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt color limitations
* Lee J. Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-18 16:01]: Is there a patch anywhere to increase the number of colors available in Mutt? I'm trying to get it to match a new color scheme I've just created for slrn, but just getting a grey/white status line is difficult. Perhaps easy if the whole mutt color scheme was to be in mono but it's not. the number of color is certainly limited by your terminal. now, if you could turn your monitor by 180 degrees then we might be able to see what you're using... i think we need a good color test... Sven [thinking of something.. later]
Re: Mutt color limitations
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: [..] the number of color is certainly limited by your terminal. now, if you could turn your monitor by 180 degrees then we might be able to see what you're using... i think we need a good color test... OK, I'm trying to setup a new Mutt color scheme for when it's running in Gnome2's gnome-terminal. Previously I've used Eterm, but I'm getting the same error messages with that. Trying to use color8 and above, results in the following: Error in /home/lee/etc/mutt/muttrc, line 384: 8: color not supported by term Error in /home/lee/.muttrc, line 1: source: errors in /home/lee/etc/mutt/muttrc source: errors in /home/lee/.muttrc This is despite the fact that color8 and above is available with slrn in the same terminal. I can use color8, color9, etc., - in slrn's actual config file and the results can clearly be seen when slrn is launched. I'm using Mutt 1.4-r2 (compiled/installed from source with Gentoo's Portage) if that's relevant. -- Lee J. Moore http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com -- Powered by Gentoo (Portage 2.0.28) msg30334/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
