OT: language-problem - krauts and kittys
05-Apr-02 at 18:32, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Pfeife zerbrochen Broken pipe, I suppose. This is nonetheless an interesting issue, since the translation out of context is correct. And, more to the point, any non technical English speaker would also be amused if Windows reported back Broken Pipe to them. Just like the dumb lady I was talking to once, who told me she was airing her room when I told her to close the window. Most techies, let's face it, speak /at least/ technical English. Just the same as most doctors. I live in a bilingual country, where everyone speaks Arabic and French; they CANNOT translate some terms at all, because they have a psychological block. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.68% see www.mersenne.org] Recognizing disagreements in belief requires having enough agreements in belief to translate or understand the words and deeds of my opponent. -- Anthony O'Hear (combining, somewhat, several modern philosophers). [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: language-problem - krauts and kittys
Hi, * Sven Guckes [04/05/02 18:32:12] wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 19:45]: I love silly translations. Yesterday I worked with a german Red Hat-distribution (user elvis): Gnome created an icon called Heimat von elvis Why not: Gnome hat eine Ikone namens 'Heimat von Elvis' erstellt? aarrgghh! Yes. But the point is that people seem to want that. But when working with a computer getting any message back I'm usually abled to figure out what was meant. More stupid are technical books translated from English to German. I understand that may not always be easy to decide what to translate and what to leave untouched. Pfeife zerbrochen (English: broken pipe) Doesn't that hurd? ;-) (who doesn't speak German, don't try to understand this one) Cheers, Rocco. msg26782/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: language-problem - krauts and kittys
Hi, * Simon White [04/05/02 19:18:44] wrote: 05-Apr-02 at 18:32, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Pfeife zerbrochen Broken pipe, I suppose. Yes. Just like the dumb lady I was talking to once, who told me she was airing her room when I told her to close the window. ;-)) Via telephone? I can image what her face looked like when she was wondering how the opened window should interfere with her computer... ;-) Cheers, Rocco. msg26783/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: language-problem - krauts and kittys
05-Apr-02 at 20:37, Rocco Rutte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Just like the dumb lady I was talking to once, who told me she was airing her room when I told her to close the window. ;-)) Via telephone? I can image what her face looked like when she was wondering how the opened window should interfere with her computer... ;-) Yeah, on the phone. Luckily, because by the time she got back off hold there were tears in all the support guy's faces :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.70% see www.mersenne.org] Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: language-problem
* Heiko Heil [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 06:55]: hh@server:~ locale LANG=de_DE [snipped] I read this to be the locale of your server. I guess the locale of your laptop looks like LANG=de_DE@euro. Right. 2 reasons I can think of: 1. check /usr/lib/locale directories having both de_DE and de_DE@euro hh@server:~ ls -d /usr/lib/locale/de_DE* /usr/lib/locale/de_DE /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.utf8 /usr/lib/locale/de_DE@euro hh@laptop:~ ls -d /usr/lib/locale/de_DE* /usr/lib/locale/de_DE /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.utf8 /usr/lib/locale/de_DE@euro 2. check both LANGUAGE variables Mutt is still running in English language... $ LANG=de_DE $ export LANG $ mutt -F /dev/null -f /dev/null mutt gives me this mini-help now: q:Ende d:Lösch. u:Behalten s:Speichern m:Senden r:Antw. g:Antw.alle ?:Hil Does it work for you now, too? Sven [lernt Englisch!]
Re: language-problem
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 12:46:20PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: $ LANG=de_DE $ export LANG $ mutt -F /dev/null -f /dev/null mutt gives me this mini-help now: q:Ende d:Lösch. u:Behalten s:Speichern m:Senden r:Antw. g:Antw.alle ?:Hil Does it work for you now, too? No :-( I noticed another inconsistency: The result of the mutt -v-command is in English. When I type mutt -v on my laptop I get a German text. -- Cheers, Heiko Heil
Re: language-problem
[Heiko Heil is having problems with mutt speaking English even though Heiko's locale is German.] Just a thought: You do use the same (type of) shell on both machines, right? If not, check that you are using the correct terminology for the environment variables. hth -- Martin | PGP/GPG: | There is no cow Karlsson | 9C924660 |on the ice. msg26662/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: language-problem
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 02:46:23PM +0200, Martin Karlsson wrote: [Heiko Heil is having problems with mutt speaking English even though Heiko's locale is German.] Just a thought: You do use the same (type of) shell on both machines, right? If not, check that you are using the correct terminology for the environment variables. I'm using bash on both machines. Before starting mutt I check the environment variables (with echo). I've tried several combinations: de_DE, de_DE@euro, de_DE.ISO-8859-1, de_DE.ISO-8859-15, ... Without success :-( -- Cheers, Heiko Heil
Re: language-problem
* Heiko Heil [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 15:24:07 +0200]: On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 02:46:23PM +0200, Martin Karlsson wrote: [Heiko Heil is having problems with mutt speaking English even though Heiko's locale is German.] Just a thought: You do use the same (type of) shell on both machines, right? If not, check that you are using the correct terminology for the environment variables. I'm using bash on both machines. Before starting mutt I check the environment variables (with echo). Are the variables exported? Start a new bash, and check if the variables are still there. Nicolas
Re: language-problem
* Heiko Heil [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 11:54]: On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 12:46:20PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: $ LANG=de_DE $ export LANG $ mutt -F /dev/null -f /dev/null mutt gives me this mini-help now: q:Ende d:Lösch. u:Behalten s:Speichern... Does it work for you now, too? No :-( I noticed another inconsistency: The result of the mutt -v-command is in English. When I type mutt -v on my laptop I get a German text. inconsistency? you use two different binaries on two different machines and you find *inconsistency*? STOP THE PRESS! ALARM THE MEDIA! jeez - what's next? now, are we trying to solve a problem on your laptop - or on the other computer? come on - give more info! how did you install mutt - from source? deb? rpm? where does the binary get its locales? $ mutt -v | grep PKG PKGDATADIR=/home/guckes/share/mutt $ cd ~/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/ $ ls mutt.mo guckes@debian:~$ locate mutt.mo | grep /de/ /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/mutt.mo Does your system have those, too? Sven [who thinks that Krauts should learn English - period.]
Re: language-problem
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 04:04:21PM +0200, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: Are the variables exported? Start a new bash, and check if the variables are still there. Yes, they are exported. Other programms like gnupg are running in German language whithout persuasion. -- Cheers, Heiko Heil
Re: language-problem
* Nicolas Rachinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 14:04]: [Heiko Heil is having problems with mutt speaking English even though Heiko's locale is German.] Just a thought: You do use the same (type of) shell on both machines, right? If not, check that you are using the correct terminology for the environment variables. I'm using bash on both machines. Before starting mutt I check the environment variables (with echo). Are the variables exported? i did not dare ask... Start a new bash, and check if the variables are still there. no need to start a new shell, though: bash export|grep LANG Sven
Re: language-problem
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 04:19:54PM +0200, German Kraut Sven Guckes wrote: [...] come on - give more info! how did you install mutt - from source? deb? rpm? ^^^ where does the binary get its locales? $ mutt -v | grep PKG PKGDATADIR=/home/guckes/share/mutt result: PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt This directory doesn't exist on both machines! $ cd ~/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/ $ ls mutt.mo guckes@debian:~$ locate mutt.mo | grep /de/ /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/mutt.mo Does your system have those, too? BINGOmutt.mo only exists on the laptop/BINGO /usr/local/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/mutt.mo But during the configure-make-make install-process I get no error message! Sven [who thinks that Krauts should learn English - period.] ^^^ IMHO my mutt should learn German! ;-) -- Cheers, Heiko Heil
Re: language-problem - no locales files foo.mo
* Heiko Heil [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-04 14:56]: German Kraut Sven Guckes wrote: come on - give more info! how did you install mutt - from source? deb? rpm? ^^^ where does the binary get its locales? $ mutt -v | grep PKG PKGDATADIR=/home/guckes/share/mutt please don't underline text - this often does not work out when quoting text. instead, repeat text. yes, i installed mutt from source. that'll do. result: PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt This directory doesn't exist on both machines! what about /usr/share/locale then? guckes@debian:~$ locate mutt.mo | grep /de/ /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/mutt.mo BINGOmutt.mo only exists on the laptop/BINGO /usr/local/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/mutt.mo But during the configure-make-make install-process I get no error message! check the logs then. did you install with --disable-nls? anyway - install it again. does the problem persist? Sven [Krauts should learn English - period.] IMHO my mutt should learn German! ;-) and next thing you know it'll be handbuch handbuch instead of man man. no thanks. (you English-only types are not supposed to understand this - it's a Kraut thing.) Sven [German Kraut]
Re: language-problem - no locales files foo.mo
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:30:35PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: and next thing you know it'll be handbuch handbuch instead of man man. no thanks. shouldn't that be hand hand? (man is a shortcut for manual) ...i'm not really that funny but i try... (you English-only types are not supposed to understand this - it's a Kraut thing.) believe it or not some of us english (and americans too!) can muddle through another language too. Sven [German Kraut] -peter [american swiss] -- Peter Abplanalp Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: pgp.mit.edu msg26678/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: language-problem - no locales files foo.mo
On Thu, 04 Apr 2002, Peter T. Abplanalp wrote: believe it or not some of us english (and americans too!) can muddle through another language too. Sven [German Kraut] -peter [american swiss] http://babelfish.altavista.com :) -Tim [human equivalent of american curbside terrier] msg26683/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: language-problem - no locales files foo.mo
hh@server:~export LANG=kraut On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:30:35PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: what about /usr/share/locale then? ls: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/mutt.mo: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden check the logs then. did you install with --disable-nls? No, I didn't. anyway - install it again. does the problem persist? Yes. Here is an output from the make make install-process: -8 make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/mutt-1.3.28' Making all in m4 make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/mutt-1.3.28/m4' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mutt-1.3.28/m4' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/mutt-1.3.28/po' file=./`echo de | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ rm -f $file : --statistics -o $file de.po ... --8--- Sven [Krauts should learn English - period.] IMHO my mutt should learn German! ;-) and next thing you know it'll be handbuch handbuch instead of man man. no thanks. I love silly translations. Yesterday I worked with a german Red Hat-distribution (user elvis): Gnome created an icon called Heimat von elvis ;-) Workaround: I have copied the mutt.mo-file into my locales and now I can use mutt in German language :-) -- Cheers, Heiko Heil
Re: language-problem - no locales files foo.mo
Hi, * Heiko Heil [04/04/02 19:00:52] wrote: On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:30:35PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: and next thing you know it'll be handbuch handbuch instead of man man. no thanks. Hey, sometimes it would be really funny! Think of this one: 'katze mahlzeit katzeklo' ;-)) I love silly translations. Yesterday I worked with a german Red Hat-distribution (user elvis): Gnome created an icon called Heimat von elvis ;-) Why not: Gnome hat eine Ikone namens 'Heimat von Elvis' erstellt? ;-) But seriously: I hate things like that because I got used to the English versions -- which more people know than the translated ones. So asking for help with english error messages makes things much easier. To give just one more example in German: routing table is one of the terms which should *never* be translated to something like Leitwerttabelle (don't know when I heard this one, but it took some time to find out what was meant). Cheers, Rocco. msg26691/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: language-problem
[03.04.02 09:54 +0200] Heiko Heil -- : I have compiled mutt v1.3.28i both on my Server (based on SuSE7.1) and on my Laptop (based on SuSE7.3). Now I have noticed that the mutt-version on the server runs in English language and the mutt-version on my laptop in German language. The language-settings (according to locale) only differ from the @euro-suffix. But I want both versions in German language. No network here, no Suse here, so just a guess, unverified hh@server:~ locale LANG=de_DE [snipped] I read this to be the locale of your server. I guess the locale of your laptop looks like LANG=de_DE@euro. 2 reasons I can think of: 1. check /usr/lib/locale directories having both de_DE and de_DE@euro 2. check both LANGUAGE variables -- Erika Pacholleck [EMAIL PROTECTED] mutters: insert vowels of last name
Re: language-problem
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:16:40PM +0200, Erika Pacholleck wrote: hh@server:~ locale LANG=de_DE [snipped] I read this to be the locale of your server. I guess the locale of your laptop looks like LANG=de_DE@euro. Right. 2 reasons I can think of: 1. check /usr/lib/locale directories having both de_DE and de_DE@euro hh@server:~ ls -d /usr/lib/locale/de_DE* /usr/lib/locale/de_DE /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.utf8 /usr/lib/locale/de_DE@euro hh@laptop:~ ls -d /usr/lib/locale/de_DE* /usr/lib/locale/de_DE /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.utf8 /usr/lib/locale/de_DE@euro 2. check both LANGUAGE variables Mutt is still running in English language... -- Cheers, Heiko Heil
language-problem
Hello mutt-users, I have compiled mutt v1.3.28i both on my Server (based on SuSE7.1) and on my Laptop (based on SuSE7.3). Now I have noticed that the mutt-version on the server runs in English language and the mutt-version on my laptop in German language. The language-settings (according to locale) only differ from the @euro-suffix. But I want both versions in German language. hh@server:~ locale LANG=de_DE LC_CTYPE=de_DE LC_NUMERIC=de_DE LC_TIME=de_DE LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY=de_DE LC_MESSAGES=de_DE LC_PAPER=de_DE LC_NAME=de_DE LC_ADDRESS=de_DE LC_TELEPHONE=de_DE LC_MEASUREMENT=de_DE LC_IDENTIFICATION=de_DE LC_ALL= hh@server:~ mutt -v Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.2.18 (i586) [using ncurses 5.2] Compile options: -DOMAIN -DEBUG -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK -DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS +USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +COMPRESSED +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/mail PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. patch-1.3.26.dw.pgp-traditional.2 -- Cheers, Heiko Heil msg26573/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
