[MLO] Re: MLO on Windows Touchscreens
I would agree too. But in the meantime, something I've done to make it a bit easier on my Asus T100 touchscreen is to change the font settings to at least make the list entries bigger and easier to hit with my fingers. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bHgnGZVKMSo/VIYg-rCSguI/Bz8/6ykNqPk_8Gk/s1600/12-8-2014%2B5-04-31%2BPM.png On Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:52:28 PM UTC-5, robisme (Olivier R) wrote: Hi, I'd like to use MLO on my new laptop which comes with a touchscreen. If I use my finger to scroll the tree, MLO will move the task instead of scroll the list, and I don't like this behavior. Do you intend to make MLO for Windows touchscreen friendly? Olivier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/f13b9c58-12b3-476f-abc0-878a0cb85efd%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] Re: Changing time zones problem
Interesting Roman. Probably the terms are world time and local time which have values that are relative (GMT +/-) and absolute (e.g. 1pm) respectively. I suspect that one issue here is that desktop/laptops take their time from the system clock which is based on a fixed setting for the normal time zone location whereas the gps in a phone can adjust automatically depending on physical time zone location. As you say, it would be useful to have the option to set the preference between world and local time at task level. On Tuesday, 9 December 2014 07:28:08 UTC, Roman Romanik wrote: Hi, Lauris. I travel frequently and suffered a lot of this behaviour. I too thought it was crazy but I found some real logic behind it. It seems that MLO keeps astronomical time, so to speak. (I'm sure there is a better term for that). Real life example. I have a regular task, that starts at 01:00 at night Moscow time (GMT +3). By GMT, the starting time is 22:00 the previous day. So, when I travel to Belgrade (GMT+1), the task is shown as starting the previous day at 23:00. I did remembert that I had completed the task the previous day, so I thought I have some memory problems. :) It is NOT convenient, because the majority of my routine tasks should start according local time (say, 6:15 - wakeup) and not astronomical time. But some tasks need to have this behaviour. For example, the time of a pre-arranged phone/skype call shouldn't depend on where I am at the present. I understand that such a jetsitter doesn't have a right to complain, but I would like to have an option to fixate a task in time either astronomical or local Hope it helps, Roman On Thursday, December 4, 2014 7:21:06 AM UTC+1, Lauris Ancupans wrote: Hi, I just experienced an unexpected problem. Traveled to a different country, changed the time zone (1hr less than my home country) and suddenly there was trouble: a) for some reason tasks got due time checked (11:00 pm) b) some tasks got due date changed (to 1 day back). This happened on my android phone. Is this something known? Searching forum didn't help me. For now I'm just manually changing the things, removing due times etc., seemingly there is no other option. I wonder what will happen when I'll go back home tomorrow and change the time zone back. Thanks in advance for comments and ideas! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/9de94fd5-9656-4cd0-b94d-c59dcb74268a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] Re: Changing time zones problem
This has been reported a number of times over the years, including by myself a couple of years ago. One problem is that MLO uses midnight as the time for untimed tasks which get screwed up on a sync in a different time zone. It would be better just to use the date. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/4746e12b-b76d-4071-aaeb-55b05fc87dee%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [MLO] This forum - please can we have immediate visibility?
Apologies for that. But it's a Google group with volunteers doing much of the moderation. Not only does that mean we have no control over the features, but it also means it's not so much a feature problem, just a resources problem. As someone that has been on communication platform search committees and has looked into what it might take for organizations to switch between types, there is no platform that is perfect and free and even if there was, people complain because they are more used to other ways because that is what they know. There are big advantages to email groups (but the web interface might not be one). This is not a forum, it's an email group with a not-great web interface. It's not changing anytime soon, we aren't going to get Google to change its model. On Dec 8, 2014 8:33 AM, MrCricket mrcric...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I agree with a machanism of moderation, but I would like to propose to put moderated posts at the end of the thread (with 'now' date, which will advance thread's mtime), else it is being inserted somewhere in the middle of the thread (due to earlier original post time), *so nobody sees it.* I've posted on this forum two messages, for both took about 1-2 days for moderation and got no answers. I think the above is the reason. 10x On Thursday, December 4, 2014 7:53:57 AM UTC+2, Lisa S wrote: New members are only moderated until it's obvious they are not trolling and someone gets around to manually unmoderating them as it's not supported through the email system (or in the very rare case that a moderator feels a discussion is getting too personal or vitriolic). That usually takes time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/35e65055-795e-46e1-889e-63f41c3e1a68%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/35e65055-795e-46e1-889e-63f41c3e1a68%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/CAJYFk%2B2QJ%2B61FFDxutHirF0o0Db4ejTtg5k6ug-X-cipEYOMaA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [MLO] Newbie Question: Does MLO have 'Areas of Focus'?
Hi Andrei Interesting - thanks Quick question: How are you using the term Effort in this context? Is it: - The total amount of mental energy to complete a task (or project)? - A simple reflection the amount of psychological resistance you have towards completing the task (or project)? (i.e. In effect a measure of how much i dont want to do this task ? !) - To what extent does it reflect: - the time required and/or - the number of steps and/or - sum of money that will be required to complete the task (or project)? Many thanks J On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:24:25 AM UTC, Andrei Bacean wrote: Hi John Here is an example of my outline *On the first image is the outline example *On the second image - example of an Area of Focus *On the third image - example of my TODO list: (the tasks are grouped by EFFORT. and sorted by STAR + COMPUTED SCORE the tasks which MUST to be done ASAP i place into the HIGHEST URGENCY FOLDER If some task are also very important i increase its EFFORT. SOME FOLDERS in my outline have an INCREASED EFFORT too. When a task is placed in such a folder, it will be shown at the top of my TO DO list. FOLDERS WITH CUSTOM EFFORT but without TASKS are hidden from the view.) I will be very busy next 2 weeks, and may reply with big delay Best regards Andrei четверг, 4 декабря 2014 г., 15:42:42 UTC+2 пользователь John Smith написал: Andrei OK got it. They are just folders but you have changed used automatic formatting rules to change the icon depending on something quite clever... like whether the folder name has an @ in it. AND whether it has any entries in it. Clever stuff. Can you tell use something about your work flow? e.g. Do all things you need to do start life as tasks which you put into one of those folders? And only later get turned into Projects... and if and when this happens only then do you move them into one of your Projects Actions folders below... Something like that? Thanx J On Thursday, December 4, 2014 7:14:16 AM UTC, Andrei Bacean wrote: My friend IMHO, you ask to many questions in one thread :) I will reply to the question about the icons. See attached image. The answer is there. Best regards Andrew среда, 3 декабря 2014 г., 23:39:16 UTC+2 пользователь John Smith написал: Andrei I have now had a very good look at MLO and I can not for the life of me work out how you generated that image(!). Is that done through the standard All tasks view? What are those icons that look like baskets and why are two of them red? I am using Windows 7 (x64) and I can not find anything similar in any view that I have been able to create in any of my views. I don't think I understand what you mean by TREE. Is it the structure of Folders that I would see for example in the standard All tasks view? My problem is that if I build a Tree structure using directories to reflect the GTD Areas of Focus, then it seems to me that this will interfere with using 'drag and drop' to manually change the sort order in on order to put the more important stuff at the top of the page. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yv0pRQ4OrfE/VH9772QXQHI/AME/jCGeH6--XDg/s1600/delme_MLO_01.gif But looking more closely at your screenshot, you have got one row to appear for each of your (what I assume to be) Context tags. How did you create that? Is each row something you created manually or is it some clever View that I have not found yet? I have also spent quite a lot of time reading and trying to understand David Allens GTD method. And I am still not clear what the best way would be to implement things to allow me to quickly filter my view to just focus on any one of the Contexts. (e.g. Should I set up an entire View and/or tab/Workspace for each Context?) Likewise in GTD you have Someday-Maybe and Delegation/Waiting-For lists. Is the best way to do this to manually move each task/project into a specially named folder at (say) the bottom of my screen (called something like Someday-Maybe) and to make sure that the folder has hide branch in To-Do ticked, so as to stop it from appearing in the To-do views? Are there any other options? Because moving things is a slightly painful thing to do. And yes, even if you use F3 to help you - it's certainly a lot more than just a few keystrokes. Is there no other/faster way to get something out of the way and stop appearing on the To-do lists? And what about using Context tags? For example I see you have something called @WaitingFor. Is that a folder with that name or a Context tag? Is it both? If both why do you bother having the Context tag at all... given that moving the item into that folder would presumably stop the item from appearing on the To-do list? Also I notice you have folders called Work Actions and Home Actions and then another pair of folders called Work Projects and Actions
Re: [MLO] Suggestion: New Group (or new forum) for MLO new users?
I'm going to put on my volunteer moderator hat, given to me the developer, and officially ask that you don't create any separate list about MLO right now. Wait for an okay from the developers for any idea like this before you jump in and mix things up and frankly, create more discord. This is their list, set up for peer support and discussion. If you create another list I believe it risks fracturing the community we have here. What's clear to you is not at all clear to many of us who have actually been here doing this for years. It's time to get back to talking about how to use the features we already have, IMNSHO. Hello It is clear that new users and long-time users have very different requirements. I think it's important for the long-time users of MLO to have a place where they can have in depth, carefully considered conversation, normally having read the relevant parts of the manual about the extremely complex system (or should I say 'platform'? ;^) ) that his MLO. And to be able to do so without distracting noise chatter from new users. As a new user I would like a place where I can have a very different, much more informal sort of conversation. When I first moved to MLO I wanted to be able to spray out at least 1 at least one question every half hour of using the system. But I did not want to irritate the experts during the process. I do NOT expect to have all my questions answered. I want something more like a chat room or Twitter, where you tweet out to the universe and you may or may not get a direct message back, depending on whether or not anyone else is listening (i.e. following *and* reading). I also want to be able to retract or edit my questions if I discover answer to my question or have the misspelled something before anyone got to answer my question. Possible solutions: 1. Another Google Group. It's quite easy to start another Google Group called say MyLifeOrganised.new.users On the down side editing posts appears to be impossible (??) 2. Google+ Perhaps a more modern solution? (Although I have never used it seriously) 3. A Free Hosted Forum e.g. - https://www.proboards.com/free-forum-features - http://www.lefora.com/ - ?? Any thoughts/other suggestions? If nobody stops me in the first instance I will probably just start new Google Group as a experiment, but with the clear understanding that we decide to delete the whole group if unsuccessful and/or anyone has a better idea. J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/7b62a657-9448-468b-b1d0-fad0765faf6c%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/7b62a657-9448-468b-b1d0-fad0765faf6c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/CAJYFk%2B24_LJkG%2BMLHHTip0F1QpGF1HkZYqCPOeFLD5nY0M7M5A%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [MLO] Suggestion: New Group (or new forum) for MLO new users?
Wait for an okay from the developers for any idea like Yes, agreed. This is exactly what I am doing. Hence I started this thread. What's clear to you is not at all clear to many of us who have actually been here doing this for years. What irony! With huge respect, I think part of the problem is the fact that many of HAVE been doing so for many years is specifically part of the problem(!) i.e. You are no longer new users. And as such it is hard for you to understand what it is like to be a new user - mainly because that was many years ago(!) The case that I am presenting is that as can be seen by my footprints new user and expert users have very different requirements. So different that it would be of merit to physically separate the discussions. This is after all what larger communities already do. ...create more discord. The case I am making is that if there was a place where new users could 'run riot' with lots chat, albeit necessarily naive often poorly thought-through chat, about how MLO works... (but seeking some hints and tips from anyone who wished to help), and for the new users to be able to so without treading on anyone else's toes amongst the MLO experts and 'old-timers'... that this would help AVOID discord rather than create it. This would for example allow expert user to opt IN to multiple emails from the experts area (presumably the existing group) so that they can be alerted about and participate in more thoughtful discussions... And simultaneously to opt OUT of any noise and chatter from new users. Are there any new users here who think a group for new users is a BAD idea? On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:26:56 PM UTC, Lisa S wrote: I'm going to put on my volunteer moderator hat, given to me the developer, and officially ask that you don't create any separate list about MLO right now. Wait for an okay from the developers for any idea like this before you jump in and mix things up and frankly, create more discord. This is their list, set up for peer support and discussion. If you create another list I believe it risks fracturing the community we have here. What's clear to you is not at all clear to many of us who have actually been here doing this for years. It's time to get back to talking about how to use the features we already have, IMNSHO. Hello It is clear that new users and long-time users have very different requirements. I think it's important for the long-time users of MLO to have a place where they can have in depth, carefully considered conversation, normally having read the relevant parts of the manual about the extremely complex system (or should I say 'platform'? ;^) ) that his MLO. And to be able to do so without distracting noise chatter from new users. As a new user I would like a place where I can have a very different, much more informal sort of conversation. When I first moved to MLO I wanted to be able to spray out at least 1 at least one question every half hour of using the system. But I did not want to irritate the experts during the process. I do NOT expect to have all my questions answered. I want something more like a chat room or Twitter, where you tweet out to the universe and you may or may not get a direct message back, depending on whether or not anyone else is listening (i.e. following *and* reading). I also want to be able to retract or edit my questions if I discover answer to my question or have the misspelled something before anyone got to answer my question. Possible solutions: 1. Another Google Group. It's quite easy to start another Google Group called say MyLifeOrganised.new.users On the down side editing posts appears to be impossible (??) 2. Google+ Perhaps a more modern solution? (Although I have never used it seriously) 3. A Free Hosted Forum e.g. - https://www.proboards.com/free-forum-features - http://www.lefora.com/ - ?? Any thoughts/other suggestions? If nobody stops me in the first instance I will probably just start new Google Group as a experiment, but with the clear understanding that we decide to delete the whole group if unsuccessful and/or anyone has a better idea. J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganiz...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to mylifeo...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/7b62a657-9448-468b-b1d0-fad0765faf6c%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/7b62a657-9448-468b-b1d0-fad0765faf6c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] Re: google calendar integration
I too would like to see MLO integrate with Google Calendar. On Monday, April 5, 2010 8:10:58 AM UTC-6, Tobias Leenaert wrote: hello :-) i'm a big fan of MLO, but one thing i find lacking is integration in google calendar (i did a search but didn't see much on that subject). right now, when i enter a new task in MLO, i also enter it separately on my google calendar, where i have a better weekly overview. is there any demand for this, or how do other people solve it? thanks Tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/00ef8430-0711-4fcc-9137-3ddb4f2df729%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] MLO use of English
Hello Sorry - another new user question... I have realised that I am slightly confused about the MLO use of English. What is the exact definition of: A) Task ? B) Project ? C) Action ? D) Active Action ? E) Next Action ? Here is my best attempt at defining each of them: (please do correct me where I am wrong!) A) TASK A Task is something you the user need to do. A Task that involves more than one-steps can divided into sub-tasks, (thereby forming a heirarchy). B) PROJECT Alternatively, a multi-step task can instead become a Project (i.e. if the This is a Project box is ticked) A Task is something that you need to do that is NOT a Project [True ??] and not a Folder obviously. C) ACTION I think an Action in MLO can be either a Task or a Project [True??] (ASIDE: In GTD theory, a Project is supposed to be written as a desired outcome. Whereas an Action is written as a more physical/visible activity that needs to be engaged in order to move the current reality towards a desired outcome.) D) ACTIVE ACTION For simplicity, if we ignore Start Date, and ignore Dependency, and if we assume Complete subtasks in order has not been ticked anywhere, and if we assume we are only talking about things that have not been ticked as being Completed... then Active Action refers to all Tasks AND all Projects that do not have uncompleted sub-tasks in the hierarchy below them. Personally I was surpised to discover Projects appearing in the Active Actions View at all, however in MLO Projects seem to behave just like Tasks in as much as they will appear in Active Actions view ONLY if they do not have any children. i.e. Neither Tasks with children nor Projects with children will appear in the Active Actions view. In fact the Active Actions view does not seem to care AT ALL if something is a Project or not, (other then the fact that the Project name can (optionally) be inserted into the row containing a Task name if that Task is part of a Project). E) NEXT ACTION A Next Action must meet all the criteria to be an Active Action, however only the *first* task in each heirarchy will appear in a Next Action view. However here Projects *are* treated slightly differently from Tasks, in as much as where there is a Project located within any given heirachy, the system tries to find a Next Action within that Project. And also the existance of the Project does not intefere with the current need to find a Next Action in the heirarchy in which it is located. A Task does not need to be part of any Project in order to appear in a Next Actions View. Also a Project with no children will appear in a Next Actions view. The fact that is a Project forces it to appear, however, perhaps surprisingly, it will not get a mention in the By Project component of the view of a report like Next Action by Project. In fact if a Project without children is located outside of any other Project, it now appears within Project: (none), which feels slightly strange... but understandable given its other behaviours. QUICK SUMMARY: A) Task - stuff you need to do that is not a project B) Project - a collection of Tasks C) Action - A Task or a Project ?? D) Active Action - A Task or a Project that is not made invisible by - Start Date - Dependency - Complete subtasks in order (in the hierarchy above it) - Completed being ticked E) Next Action ? An action that is next in the hierarchy whether or not it is part of a project. OK I wrote all that mainly to straighten out my own head! Am I broadly correct / what did I get wrong? J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/80ec0c2d-b661-444b-b023-8022bfa72b4b%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [MLO] Suggestion: New Group (or new forum) for MLO new users?
I don't think a separate forum for new users is a good idea. Based on my experience of other (too many) forums I think a few additional pinned threads here could be useful though. Namely, list of resources for new users, faq's, tips tricks, and forum rules guidelines. In terms of interaction with new users, my view is that, far and away the most effective tool, is the webinar. This is used very successfully by a number of software companies who produce full featured products with a steep learning curve. Recordings of these webinars are a further permanently available resource. On Tuesday, 9 December 2014 17:06:12 UTC, John Smith wrote: Wait for an okay from the developers for any idea like Yes, agreed. This is exactly what I am doing. Hence I started this thread. What's clear to you is not at all clear to many of us who have actually been here doing this for years. What irony! With huge respect, I think part of the problem is the fact that many of HAVE been doing so for many years is specifically part of the problem(!) i.e. You are no longer new users. And as such it is hard for you to understand what it is like to be a new user - mainly because that was many years ago(!) The case that I am presenting is that as can be seen by my footprints new user and expert users have very different requirements. So different that it would be of merit to physically separate the discussions. This is after all what larger communities already do. ...create more discord. The case I am making is that if there was a place where new users could 'run riot' with lots chat, albeit necessarily naive often poorly thought-through chat, about how MLO works... (but seeking some hints and tips from anyone who wished to help), and for the new users to be able to so without treading on anyone else's toes amongst the MLO experts and 'old-timers'... that this would help AVOID discord rather than create it. This would for example allow expert user to opt IN to multiple emails from the experts area (presumably the existing group) so that they can be alerted about and participate in more thoughtful discussions... And simultaneously to opt OUT of any noise and chatter from new users. Are there any new users here who think a group for new users is a BAD idea? On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:26:56 PM UTC, Lisa S wrote: I'm going to put on my volunteer moderator hat, given to me the developer, and officially ask that you don't create any separate list about MLO right now. Wait for an okay from the developers for any idea like this before you jump in and mix things up and frankly, create more discord. This is their list, set up for peer support and discussion. If you create another list I believe it risks fracturing the community we have here. What's clear to you is not at all clear to many of us who have actually been here doing this for years. It's time to get back to talking about how to use the features we already have, IMNSHO. Hello It is clear that new users and long-time users have very different requirements. I think it's important for the long-time users of MLO to have a place where they can have in depth, carefully considered conversation, normally having read the relevant parts of the manual about the extremely complex system (or should I say 'platform'? ;^) ) that his MLO. And to be able to do so without distracting noise chatter from new users. As a new user I would like a place where I can have a very different, much more informal sort of conversation. When I first moved to MLO I wanted to be able to spray out at least 1 at least one question every half hour of using the system. But I did not want to irritate the experts during the process. I do NOT expect to have all my questions answered. I want something more like a chat room or Twitter, where you tweet out to the universe and you may or may not get a direct message back, depending on whether or not anyone else is listening (i.e. following *and* reading). I also want to be able to retract or edit my questions if I discover answer to my question or have the misspelled something before anyone got to answer my question. Possible solutions: 1. Another Google Group. It's quite easy to start another Google Group called say MyLifeOrganised.new.users On the down side editing posts appears to be impossible (??) 2. Google+ Perhaps a more modern solution? (Although I have never used it seriously) 3. A Free Hosted Forum e.g. - https://www.proboards.com/free-forum-features - http://www.lefora.com/ - ?? Any thoughts/other suggestions? If nobody stops me in the first instance I will probably just start new Google Group as a experiment, but with the clear understanding that we decide to delete the whole group if unsuccessful and/or anyone has a better idea. J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
RE: [MLO] MLO use of English
Hi, John. MLO is a tool or platform that can be used to manage tasks according to numerous different methodologies. For the most part, the questions you ask impress me as being about the methodology and not the tool. In those cases, the answers you will get from the tool and its documentation will be flexible and imprecise in order to avoid pushing any methodologies off of the tool. For example, if you believe that a project without any remaining uncompleted subtasks is itself a task, MLO will support that. If you believe that a project is a container for tasks but not itself a task, MLO will support that too, though not quite as fully. MLO will never tell you which approach is correct. And so on. But I do have some further comments on active action and next action. There are seven conditions that will make an uncompleted action considered inactive. They are documented in the User Guide section 5.2.1 starting at the bottom of page 37. You mentioned many but not all of them, some of them will probably surprise you. The definition of an active action, then, is that it is any uncompleted task which does not have any of the seven conditions that signal inactivity. I think that you are trying too hard to make a distinction between tasks and projects in next actions. Either a task or a project or a folder may or may not have subtasks. The differences are, a task cannot have its own next action – the task and its subtasks are all candidates to be the next action of any project or folder above them in the hierarchy. Also, a folder cannot be active and therefore cannot be an active action or a next action. Other than that I believe that they are identical – if any type of item has uncompleted subtasks it cannot be active. If an item has subtasks but they are all completed, the item becomes active (unless it has any other reason to remain inactive, such as being a folder). Next actions by project shows all next actions, grouped by the project that contains each. A project without subtasks is active (one way of interpreting this is that you have one remaining task which is to ensure that the project has accomplished its objective and close it.) This task/project is a next action, being the next thing to be done for the project in question. But it does not qualify for a place among the group headers of the NextActionByProject view, because it does not contain any tasks that are next actions. It does not contain itself. -Dwight From: mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com [mailto:mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:10 PM To: mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com Subject: [MLO] MLO use of English Hello Sorry - another new user question... I have realised that I am slightly confused about the MLO use of English. What is the exact definition of: A) Task ? B) Project ? C) Action ? D) Active Action ? E) Next Action ? Here is my best attempt at defining each of them: (please do correct me where I am wrong!) A) TASK A Task is something you the user need to do. A Task that involves more than one-steps can divided into sub-tasks, (thereby forming a heirarchy). B) PROJECT Alternatively, a multi-step task can instead become a Project (i.e. if the This is a Project box is ticked) A Task is something that you need to do that is NOT a Project [True ??] and not a Folder obviously. C) ACTION I think an Action in MLO can be either a Task or a Project [True??] (ASIDE: In GTD theory, a Project is supposed to be written as a desired outcome. Whereas an Action is written as a more physical/visible activity that needs to be engaged in order to move the current reality towards a desired outcome.) D) ACTIVE ACTION For simplicity, if we ignore Start Date, and ignore Dependency, and if we assume Complete subtasks in order has not been ticked anywhere, and if we assume we are only talking about things that have not been ticked as being Completed... then Active Action refers to all Tasks AND all Projects that do not have uncompleted sub-tasks in the hierarchy below them. Personally I was surpised to discover Projects appearing in the Active Actions View at all, however in MLO Projects seem to behave just like Tasks in as much as they will appear in Active Actions view ONLY if they do not have any children. i.e. Neither Tasks with children nor Projects with children will appear in the Active Actions view. In fact the Active Actions view does not seem to care AT ALL if something is a Project or not, (other then the fact that the Project name can (optionally) be inserted into the row containing a Task name if that Task is part of a Project). E) NEXT ACTION A Next Action must meet all the criteria to be an Active Action, however only the *first* task in each heirarchy will appear in a Next Action view. However here Projects *are* treated slightly
[MLO] Re: Suggestion: New Group (or new forum) for MLO new users?
Hi, John. I'd like to acknowledge that you are free to discuss MLO with anyone you want, anywhere you want, whenever you want. If you want to create an MLO Newbies discussion on Reddit, nobody can stop you. If you want to exchange your screenshots on Tumblr, good luck to you. The question is, will it create more help than harm. When I was a newbie two long years ago, when I couldn't figure something out, I wanted to talk with somebody who knew the answer. It sounds to me as though the newbie group would exclude those people by design. So the newbie who can't figure something out would have access to, what? People who would commiserate about how badly it sucks not to know the answer? Or maybe a cohort of indignant people who could compete to see who can be the most vitriolic? I'm sorry if I sound disrespectful; I really do respect newbies and the issues that confront them. I just don't understand the value of isolating the discussion from the people most likely to offer help. I also understand that as a senior citizen in this realm, I may lack insight into the unique needs of the brand new user. But, John, I would argue that you do too. You have begun to use concepts from the user manual, which right away disqualifies you from any further claims to be a newbie. You have also created at least one reasonable and well-justified enhancement request, this also distances you from the true lamb-in-the-woods newbies. The more time goes by, the more you will find yourself wanting to say to the actual newbies, hey shut up and let me explain it to you. And then two years will have gone by and you will be a senior citizen like me. Will you then throw yourself out of the newbies group? Last question: People come to this forum because the developer recommends that they do so. Unless the developer makes a similar recommendation for your newbies group, how will the newbies find you? The top 5% most self-sufficient might find you on Google or Yahoo, these are the people who don't really need a newbies group. The rest will follow the (small) crowd to this forum which will either offer them the help they need, or not. Will they find what they need? If you and your cohort stay here, the answer is more likely to be yes/ -Dwight -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/03a786b5-4afc-44d8-b6e9-aa0f669f87e2%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [MLO] Re: Changing time zones problem
OK so what I got from all the comments is that there's no real solution. Seems that everyone is just somehow working around the problem. Why, why, why is it so that MLO is such a good tool but with such basic problems sometimes that make me want to find a replacement ... :) Worst is that there is none with the same level of features. Also I'm looking forward to the new Android version which it seems will feel like a miracle when it comes out :) Thanks everyone for commenting on my initial question. Lauris On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Nick Clark nick.clar...@gmail.com wrote: This has been reported a number of times over the years, including by myself a couple of years ago. One problem is that MLO uses midnight as the time for untimed tasks which get screwed up on a sync in a different time zone. It would be better just to use the date. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mylifeorganized/OJjO55w1Qbg/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/4746e12b-b76d-4071-aaeb-55b05fc87dee%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MyLifeOrganized group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/CAGW5B8A%2B_jcRdxR%2B38JYUNjUiYd%3DOhZWhhpryvXsWPXwdL%3DPYQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
